Python not a valid Language for layouts anymore

[Raffaele Fragapane]

Hey guys,

Something interesting one of my students has bumped into.

"Python" apparently isn't a valid language choice anymore when setting a PPGLayout.Language property anymore, and what's worse is that it will fall back to VBS silently, not to mention differ from the option if you have non vanilla python and pywin installed.

I imagine this is new to 2011 and the bundled Py.

Anybody knows what it's been changed to, if anything? No amount of scouring the various win32com modules or introspection of the environment got me anything working. 

[Stephen Blair]

Try "XSI.SIPython"

[Stephen Blair]

Is this on a machine that has never had Python and pywin installed (outside of Softimage) ?

[Raffaele Fragapane]

Yep, on my end yes. It's a boot with just the minimum vanilla environment possible to run my workshop.
I'm suspecting it's tied to registry or registration issues... most odd

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[Stephen Blair]

Hi

I had the same problem when I got a brand new machine.
Only after I installed Python and pywin did the problem go away.
After that, I could remove Python and pywin, and the problem would not re-occur.

From: softimag...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimag...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Raffaele Fragapane
Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 7:20 AM
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Subject: Re: RE: Python not a valid Language for layouts anymore

Yep, on my end yes. It's a boot with just the minimum vanilla environment possible to run my workshop.
I'm suspecting it's tied to registry or registration issues... most odd

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On 8 Aug 2010 21:07, "Stephen Blair" <Stephe...@autodesk.com<mailto:Stephe...@autodesk.com>> wrote:
> Is this on a machine that has never had Python and pywin installed (outside of Softimage) ?
>

> From: softimag...@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimag...@listproc.autodesk.com> [mailto:softimag...@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimag...@listproc.autodesk.com>] On Behalf Of Stephen Blair
> Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 7:02 AM
> To: soft...@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:soft...@listproc.autodesk.com>
> Subject: RE: Python not a valid Language for layouts anymore
>
> Try "XSI.SIPython"
>

[Florian Eberle]

we encountered the same issues a couple of days ago on machines that had only
the python installed that comes bundled with softimage. a proper python/pywin
install fixed the problems, even when preferences are still set to use soft's
own python.

[Upinder dhaliwal]

I had a similiar problem while testing Eric's Animstore plugin.

Installing Python and pywin & making sure pyrhon path exists in
registry fixed it for me.
I had not installed python externally before.
Cheers

[Eric Thivierge]

@Stephen,

Is there an internal bug logged for this? As you said you can repro
it? If not I'll log one.

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Technical Director
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[Stephen Blair]

We're investigating it.

[Szabolcs Mátéfy]

Jen,

Can you tell me the process how to migrate my Instructor Certificate to Autodesk? I worked hard to get the Certificate, and I hope I don't need to work on Max or Maya to get it again...

Thanks

Szabolcs Matefy

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[Adam Sale]

I would contact Michael Sehgal for further information, as he heads up the education department at Autodesk.

Things work a lot differently with the ACI program than the old softimage programs.

 

Its not as cut and dry as taking the exam, that is a first step.

There is an ACI workshop that candidates need to sign up for, Autodesk has a number of them throughout the world. Its a three day workshop where certified evaluators watch candidates present three times over the three days and evaluate their instructional style as well as software knowledge.

 

Softimage has been added to the certification process, it was announced at Siggraph at the ACI meeting.

Its a lot closer to how it was with the Microsoft certification process with Pierre and GIno back in the day than it was with the Avid cert.

 

Well worth it though. There were Max and Maya ACI candidates at this last certification, there were a couple of Maya authors, some Maya programmers that worked for Autodesk,

Definitely knew their stuff. They took a lot away from the process on the instructional side.

 

Autodesk wants to ensure consistency of edu delivery, and understanding things such as learning cycles, floor management etc. are all part of the grading system. 

Its not all about software skills. 

 
Softimage has been added to the certification process, it was announced at Siggraph at the ACI meeting.

YOu can get in touch with Michael at

Michael...@autodesk.com

 

adam

[Carl Callewaert - Fundi3D]

I have been now at 3 of those events and I share the same vision with Adam.
Michael Seghal has really redefined the certification program  ;-)

carl

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[Szabolcs Mátéfy]

Thanks, I see, I consider it. But to be honest besides my job, it is hard to dedicate time again to pass any kind of exams, etc.

 

 

 

Szabolcs

[Stephen Blair]

Hi

Here's a workaround:
http://wp.me/powV4-mG

I found that if you add registry entries, then Softimage will run your Python PPGLayout logic.

Stephen Blair
Product Support Team Lead, Softimage
Montreal, Quebec, Canada
Blog: http://xsisupport.wordpress.com

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[Eric Thivierge]

This seems to have fixed the errors we've beens struggling with. Is
this fix going to be implemented in future Softimage installers?

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[Stephen Blair]

I suspect that any fix will involve not looking for those registry entries when you're using the bundled Python.

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[Eric Thivierge]

Not sure I understand. You can't set oLayout.Language = "Python" using
the bundled Python without the fix. So this is something that needs to
be implemented during install no?

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On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 6:03 PM, Stephen Blair

[Stephen Blair]

If Softimage doesn't look for those registry entries, then you don't need to do anything during install.
I think the external Python install put in those reg entries. We shouldn't be looking at them, so our code should be updated not to look for those reg entries.

Of course, the devs will figure out for sure what the problem is.

[Eric Thivierge]

Ah! Now I get what you're saying. Thanks!

On Aug 10, 2010 6:59 PM, "Stephen Blair" <Stephe...@autodesk.com> wrote:


If Softimage doesn't look for those registry entries, then you don't need to do anything during install.
I think the external Python install put in those reg entries. We shouldn't be looking at them, so our code should be updated not to look for those reg entries.

Of course, the devs will figure out for sure what the problem is.

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