YOUR TOP 5

[Alastair Hearsum]

Hello

It seems as if I may have some contact with Autodesk shortly! I want to be armed with some points. What I'd like is your top 5 features that make Softimage great that we'd miss if we migrated to something else.

Please don't give me more than 5 and please don't go on too long describing them (It takes a while to read all the posts).

Thanks

Alastair

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[Leo Quensel]

1 - ICE:

Extremely flexible system for creating all kinds of FX, deformers, etc...

 

2 - Operator Stack:

True non-destructive workflow and the ability to rearrange operators and inputs at any time (directly related to ICE aswell).

 

3 - Extremely streamlined UI:

Everything works with everything, fast UI elements like the sticky keys, tweak tool, mini explorer (F3), fast snapping (CTRL)

 

4 - Explorer:

The explorer is an awesome tool for keeping track of your scenes with the ability to dig down to the operators and attributes

 

5 - Selections:

The selection system in Soft is super smart and works like you would expect.

Anyone who has gone through the hell of mixing object based and component based selections of Maya probably knows what I mean.

Also Raycast selections, being able to 'paint' selections, rectangle raycast selections, etc... (Maya is also pure hell in this regard)

 

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[Rob Chapman]

1, clean elegant interface

3. Artist driven WorkFlow

3. ICE

4. Particle Strands

5. Animation Mixer

[Rob Wuijster]

Hmmm.... only 5?

1. working renderpass system (don't want to explain the mess that is in Maya)
2. ICE (obviously)
3. construction modes & linear workflow (going back without breaking stuff, or having to start over)
4. data management & models (also asset management)
5. UI / SRT / fields interaction (e.g. multi PPG's, use of equations, ability to build your own UI etc.)

There's more, but..... ;-)

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[Thomas Volkmann]

+ Instancing with ICE, give each instance custom attributes that can be used in the rendertree

+ Construction Modes (using right now: have a 'deform by curve' in 2ndmodeling stack. Modifiyng and using lattices in the first. One viewport showing result and one only current mode)

 

There's probably lot's of more arguments, but theses are helpful very often and I wouldn't know how to do it in another package (which doesn't mean it's not possible...if it is, please let me know).

 

Thanks for your effort and good luck with Autodesk!

 

cheers,

Thomas

 

 

Alastair Hearsum <hea...@glassworks.co.uk> hat am 13. März 2014 um 10:54 geschrieben:

[Matt Morris]

Passes, partitions and overrides. - simplicity of setup and amount of control per pass.

ICE - not just for particles, use it for mesh deformations, strands, texture work, all sorts.

GATOR - for a character rigger this has been a godsend.

Non-linear workflow - the ability to go back and remodel a character, after its been enveloped, UVed, shape animated is huge.

UI. Simple and powerful, with lots of artistically orientated tools.

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[Peter Agg]

1) Passes/Partitions
2) ICE is obvious, but one of the main reasons it's so handy is because of...
3) The Stack - how easy it is to order and reorder, remove individual operators etc.
4) Plugins that are easily hooked into the existing GUI

5) GATOR

On 13 March 2014 09:54, Alastair Hearsum <hea...@glassworks.co.uk> wrote:

[Christian Lattuada]

- UI and interaction at a whole

- Operators, construction stack

- Passes, partitions

- Modeling tools

- ICE

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[gareth bell]

 - Passes/Partitions/Groups/Overrides etc
 - ICE
 - Ease of scripting / making tools for even a moron like me
 - Operator Stacks
 - UI

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Subject: Re: YOUR TOP 5
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[michael johansson]

1. Artist driven nonlinear workflow

3. UI and interaction
3. Modelling tools

4. Animation Mixer

5. ICE 

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[Martin Chatterjee]

RenderPass management 

(has it's flaws - but still is miles ahead of the other alternatives out there)

Construction Stack concept

ICE 

(not only for any kind of simulation, but also as a "swiss army knife" for rigging, prototyping, custom deformers, instancing/scattering/ ...)

unified and (fairly) non-destructive workflow 

(everything sort of works the same way, with the same interaction philosophy, in any order, ...)

Multi Explorer/PPG concept 

(you can manipulate many PPGs of the same kind in Multi Mode, they can be locked or kept live, you can have multiple Explorers open showing the same dataset but with different filters, ... )

 

object oriented SDK shared between Python and C++

(which makes it possible to "translate" tools prototyped in Python to C++ relatively easy)

Proxy Parameters

And yeah I know, that's more than 5... Sorry for rebelling...  :)

Martin

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+1 on this from Leo Quensel

[Tim Borgmann]

Passes, Partitions, Overrides,Framebuffer - an good way to organize and manipulate your render output
ICE - not only as a particle/sim tool, but as an overall allrounding toolset to create/prototype and/or manipulate
Non destructive Workflow/Operator Stack
Clean UI/Workflow
Shadertree (including the connection to ICE)

Thanks
Tim

[Mirko Jankovic]

1. non-destructive workflow

2. Scene explorer and organisation (operator stack, reference models...)

3. rigging and animation (weighting, GATOR...)

4. render passes

5. ICE

[Richard Costin]

- Render setup system hugely flexible, visual and powerful. Passes, partitions, overrides and the like. Makes using all other packages seem like a real ball ache.

- ICE of course. It empowers you to create something hugely complex in a very time efficient and flexible manner without needing to be a python guru. Also has created a massive, and amazing ecosystem of ICE resources for the community to share (and they do).

- It is as close to a one stop shop as you will ever get. I can tweak a particle setup say and instantly see it rendered with the regions.

- Clean yet powerful interface. You always know where you and what your scene elements are doing.

- Hugely adaptive to small productions. As you said in your letter Alastair, allows you to really punch above your weight in terms of results vs studio size and project time.

On 13 March 2014 09:54, Alastair Hearsum <hea...@glassworks.co.uk> wrote:

[Daniel Kim]

1. Operator Stack

2. Great Modeling Interface

3. Animation Mixer

4. ICE

5. Totally remapable user interface

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Ice
Ice
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modelling tools
operator-stack
community
third-party developers
shape-manager
intuitiv
easy to learn
non-linear-workflow
passes, partition overrides
user-interface easy changeable
Gator


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[Norbert Kiehne]

Operator stack
being able to reorganize and stack deformers makes rigging a lot easier, especially if you add ICE to it

UI
especially the consistency of tools throughout the various windows, the schematic view and the "middle click"

Passes and partitions
all, everybody else mentioned

ICE
all, everybody else mentioned

Data and attribute transfer
the model system, action clips for transferring animation and poses and of course GATOR help a lot to adapt to client changes, when you are already animating shots

Thanks,
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[Andi Farhall]

My five as simply put as i can.....

workflow - fast an intuitive, enable me to hit ever decreasing deadline.

Ice - a complete game changer, give me the ability to always find a solution to a client's requests.

Render setups - Pass, partitions and overides make multi pass rendering very easy to do, so little wasted on having to set these things up.

Interface - genuinely customisable to give me the best setup for whichever task i'm doing. Unclutered allowing me to see the results of what i'm actually doing.

render region - without this i would spend days just waiting for previews. Lookdev is a pleasure using this.

thanks for all you efforts Alastair, very much appreciated.

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Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 10:43:22 +0000

Subject: Re: YOUR TOP 5

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[Chris Marshall]

1. ICE

2. FX Tree for compositing, migrating to other 3d software would require us to purchase other compositing software

3. Modeling ease of use and stack

4. Passes

5. Everything about it completely ROCKS!

It's a complete toolkit in one package, basically, and there's nothing else like it.

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[Siew Yi Liang]

1. ICE
2. Procedural workflow mindset
3. ANIMATION TOOLSET (we have alt playback framerate, a fast motion trail , proxy parameters, viewport parameters,
synoptic HTML support, HLE curve editing etc.)
4. render region in viewport and accompanying pass system
5. Modeling toolset and interactivity

Yours sincerely,
Siew Yi Liang

[Paul Griswold]

1.  It is the only product on the market that allows a small shop or freelancer produce a project end-to-end without requiring a team of people.  The smallest shop can still be a competitor.

2.  Pass system.

3.  ICE

4.  Text-based interface that is logical & easy to get up to speed with (ie. a Maya person can quickly learn & be productive with Softimage, but not the other way around).

5.  See #1 - Maya is not a tool for the freelancer or small shop.  Without Softimage, there is NOTHING Autodesk offers that is worth buying unless you're a mid-large shop.

[Artur Woźniak]

1. render passes

2. ICE

3. workflow speed

4. interface setup

5. workflow philosophy (if there is such a thing)

Artur

[joshxsi]

1. UI is Intuitive - When you want to do something everything is in one place, Maya has so many places for UI elements its obscene.. shelves.. dialogs attributes across nodes .. you need 5 windows open to work on anything.

2. The Deformers are flexible, you can envelope(skin) a mesh using any object you want, curves, nulls whatever. You can blend a weight map into a shape in one click, no node editor needed.

3. You can save presets from anything - Want to save your weights? or save some values in a custom property? Also proxy parameters are amazing, want the same parameter on two objects in Maya? you need to make two parameters and connect them to a master.

4. GATOR (and Ice as well) - The mesh you have been working on just got re-topologised? No problem, all the shapes and weights can be transfered in two clicks. With ice you can just do a nearest point bind and wrap the new mesh to the old one.

5. Animation - Deltas, Animation Layers, the FCurve editor, all of them just dont compare in Maya.

[Jon Swindells]

1. Tool/gfxSequencer API

2. Gator

3. Operators (ICE, scops  - dev and gen usage)

4. Rig and shapes workflow

5. M-tool

 

 

 

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[James De Colling]

1. Modelling tools - (everything from snapping / m etc...hell, even the bevel tool is something I cant live without)

2. UI - from the layout to things like multiple instances of the same windows, locking panels etc (I can live without the viewcube...I know its autodesk's gold star feature, but...im ok, thanks)

3. Passes - very intuitive and easy to use.

4. ICE - ive only scratched the surface with it, but its been very handy

5. small things....like the ability to change a texture res displayed in the viewport, per texture, on the fly....very, very handy for checking game texture size. or passing a imageclip through fxtree to get a realtime color correction on it to see what it looks like in the scene next to other models...extremely handy (that said, if rendertree could display realtime edits on clips, that would be even better...no renders please, some of us live in the games world)

meh, choosing 5 best is leaving too much on the table 

[Alastair Hearsum]

Hi Maurice

I've started a thread that you might be interested in.

Alastair

Alastair Hearsum

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On 13/03/2014 09:54, Alastair Hearsum wrote:

[Eugen Sares]

1 - UI: clean, UNCLUTTERED, TEXT-BASED (I just hate gaudy, kitchy icons!!!!!), intuitive, consistent. Multi-PPGs, supra/sticky keys, all the small goodies (MMB etc), ...

2 - scene interaction: almost no viewport clutter, clean snapping, perfect working pivot, perfect selection engine, ...

3 - modeling tools that simply work the way you would expect, clean and logic subdivision surfaces

4 - operator stack / non-linear workflow

5 - render passes

...

(I leave ICE out here, because it's just obvious, and who knows what Bifröst is going to be)

 

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[Marco Peixoto]

1- Operator Stack (Modeling, Shape Modeling Animation, Secondary Shape Modeling)

2 - GATOR, Ultimapper, Motor

3- World/Local Coordinates always available

4- Shape Manager

5- Constraints/Parent Compensation and Neutral Pose info

[Ed Manning]

1. full functionality available to a non-scripting, non-technical artist (some people are calling this the "out-of-the-box" or "pipeline-in-a-box" quality)
2. ICE, which extends this notion to a granular level
3. workflow smoothness -- relatively few clicks, multi-ppg mode, middle-mouse repeat, etc.
4. operator stack, especially reordering
5. this one is hard to describe -- it's mostly in contrast to Maya's inability to do a lot of things that seem feasible at first glance -- I guess it's due primarily to the operator stack and ordering; essentially it's the robustness of combinations of operators and tools in Softimage.  Working lately with some very talented Maya artists, there have been a LOT of conversations that start with me asking "can you do X?" and end with "no, there's no way to do that," "yes, but I'd have to start over with that built-in to the rig first," "yes, there's a script for that but I have to modify it," or "yes, but when I apply it, it breaks Y."  This just happens a lot less in Soft.

[Robert Cole]

Render Pass management and Overrides.
Render Tree
ICE
Excellent and customizable interface.
Non-linear approach.

[Jordi Bares]

Let's dream...

1 - ICE
2 - Rendering workflow (Passes, etc..)
3 - Animation and Rigging toolset
4 - Modelling and Texturing toolset
5 - Artist driven Non-Linear Workflow

Jordi Bares
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[Nuno Conceicao]

1. Scene Explorer  which is great for scene assembly, more intuitive, cleaner and fast, also helps setting up passes faster while maya Outliner is as close as bad as 3dsMax's Object lister, both quite limited compared to XSI's

2. It has a good and efficient construction stack which works!!! (Maya's is just a joke or non existent)

3. Easy, complete and reliable pass system ( I did Lighting in Maya's for a few years and its pass system has many flaws)

4. Good rigging tools like Gator, ShapeManager, EnvelopeWeighting (I'm sure there are more but I'm not a rigger, I did heard many riggers saying maya's weight painting is not as good as XSI's and I'm sure there are more arguments in this field)

5. ICE to rule it all (there are so many things you can do with ICE but I think the best is the fact ICE is great for fixing any issue quickly that can come up in your production, thus making it a perfect feature to make XSI as complete as it is)

To sum it up Softimage is more financial efficient than Maya  because it does more and faster with less TDs, although this is an argument that I would be a bit reluctant to bring up to Autodesk since their purpose is to sell more seats not less. 

The thing is, imho, with Softimage, any small to medium shop has more chances of surviving financially than it has if its using Maya, but I'm sure you already know that if you have Maya experience.

Good luck with your call or meeting

On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 11:53 AM, Eugen Sares <sof...@mail.sprit.org> wrote:

[adrian wyer]

As Paul said;

[Juan Brockhaus]

Hi,

thanks for all the effort Alastair!!

here are mine

1 - ICE (sim and swiss army knife -> game changer!)
2 - Animation and Rigging toolset
3 - Artist driven Non-Linear Workflow

4 - Rendering workflow (Passes, Partitions, etc..)
5 - scripting and workgroups

much more of course there is, but patient I have to be...

cheers,

Juan

[Greg Punchatz]

1. Non linear character pipe
2. Passes.. Partitions.. Render tree design
3. Poly Modeling
4. Explorer
5. ICE

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On 3/13/2014 4:54 AM, Alastair Hearsum wrote:

[Martin Yara]

Stack concept is probably my favorite feature that I know Maya won't have ever but I'll try not to post the same tools everybody is posting:

- Snapping that simply works as you expect. Most Maya users slide the mouse to snap to points. We just click.

- Move Tool (M key)

Maya's NEX Modeling Toolkit is close enough to move components but still lacks the magnet and merge. Move an edge loop with magnet and middle click is a must in my workflow.

- Weight tools : Weight painting, Weight Editor and Smooth Weights that work as expected without having to lock everything, etc.

- Reference planes for modeling (Im not sure if Maya has something like this)

- Friendly GUI in general. Ex, Keyboard Re-Mapping Tool, aritmetic functions in PPG boxes, multiple ppgs, easily detect double edges in the viewport, colors in UV borders to know which edges are connected in the UV Editor, etc.

and a lot more !

Martin

[Christopher Crouzet]

It would be more fair to regroup the list of top5 into distinct categories: modelling, rigging, animation, rendering, FX ... and a general one for the workflow, UI, and such.

Here's a quickie from my experience of using Maya in rigging/dev:

Rigging

- friendly weights painting and spreadsheet that works just the way they are supposed to

- GATOR. And please don't compare this wonder to the Transfer Attributes of Maya.

- being able to do live corrective shapes on a deformed mesh

General

- ICE

- the API... seriously, having a logical and consistent API that is easy to use and don't need additional efforts to do simple dev tasks won't go in the way of flexibility. I don't know of any dev who didn't complain about Maya's API.

- proper and complete port of the API to Python

On 13 March 2014 04:54, Alastair Hearsum <hea...@glassworks.co.uk> wrote:

Hello

It seems as if I may have some contact with Autodesk shortly! I want to be armed with some points. What I'd like is your top 5 features that make Softimage great that we'd miss if we migrated to something else.

Please don't give me more than 5 and please don't go on too long describing them (It takes a while to read all the posts).

Thanks

Alastair

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[Jacob Gonzalez]

1 - Render Passes Partitions

2 - ICE

3 -  UI in general: specially the Render Tree

4 - Animation Toolset

5 - Not intuitive. Most people learn XSI faster than they learn Maya. 

J

[Tim Crowson]

- ICE (all of it)
- Operator stack (this NOT the same as construction history!)
- Render passes/partitions... and their reliability!
- The Tweak Tool and all its bells and whistles!
- Workgroups

Godspeed, Alastair!

-Tim

[Marco Peixoto]

Can I add a 6th one? :

Please "fix-recode-whatever" the Select Father and everything beneath it is selected as well, if we hide the Father the entire Hierarchy get Hidden...this is just INSANE and doesnt even make sense.

Also Having Groups and Shadow Icons in Maya would help a lot.

Ok its 8 but :)

[Pablo Tufaro]

Here´s my tip 5!

1-Explorer
2-Render Passes/Partitions/Overrides
3-ICE
4-Render Tree
5-Animation mixer.

[Jordi Bares]

I would suggest Alastair to have a poll, will be easier to do…

Anyway, would you mind sharing your final list? I am fascinated by what the community of artists say.

Jordi Bares

jordi...@gmail.com

[Thomas Volkmann]

WORKGROUPS!!! I forgot to mention WORKGROUPS!!!!

 

 

 

Jordi Bares <jordi...@gmail.com> hat am 13. März 2014 um 15:59 geschrieben:

[Stephen Blair]

Row Labels	Count of Feature
ICE	11
Render Passes/Partitions/Overrides	9
Operator stack	7
Non-linear character animation	5
GUI	5
Explorer	4
Workgroups	3
Render Tree	3
GATOR	3
Artist driven non-linear workflow	3
Weighting	3
Polygon Modeling	3
Tweak Tool	2
Snapping	1
Animation toolset	1
Ultimapper	1
Animation Mixer	1
Shape manager	1
Motor	1
Live Corrective Shapes	1
Texturing toolset	1
API	1
Usability	1
Scripting	1
Workflow	1
Selections	1
Python	1
Reference planes	1
(blank)
Grand Total	76

[Alexander Akbarov]

I think ability to change several objects properties simultaneously without involving any clumsy tools is very useful too.  

[pet...@skynet.be]

XSI top 5:

 

1. non linear, non destructive workflow -

operator stack, construction modes,...

2. interface – it’s consistent, logical, text not icons, intuitive interaction, not cluttered while so many things are easily accessible

3. general purpose tools – eg. gator can serve so many different purposes

4. nodal tools (ICE, rendertree, fxtree)

5. artist / tech / pipeline friendly

 

[Alastair Hearsum]

Jordi

I've got a bunch of columns and I'm copying and pasting the headline items from the users into them. The front runners are no surprise and in this order :

interface/worklow
ICE
render passes
operator stack
construction history

A

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[Chris Marshall]

Am I the only person using the FX Tree? It's a very big plus for us.

[Greg Punchatz]

I wont use it... it never was up to par IMO.  It has the worst UI and workflow of the entire app.

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On 3/13/2014 10:45 AM, Chris Marshall wrote:

[Chris Marshall]

Greg, when you use it day in day out, not needing to switch between apps, its a life saver, believe me, rubbish UI or not.

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[Simon Reeves]

If it's mostly relative to other autodesk apps, I'm mostly comparing to 3dsmax...

ICE

Explorer -  the backbone and ridiculously powerful and clear - and that encapsulates what is great about passes/partitions/group + so much more. But I can't put it as well as Nuno:

"1. Scene Explorer  which is great for scene assembly, more intuitive, cleaner and fast, also helps setting up passes faster while maya Outliner is as close as bad as 3dsMax's Object lister, both quite limited compared to XSI's"

Multiple Object select editing which you don't realise how great it is until you don't have it (max)

Scripting is so straight forward in xsi - the editor is great, the help is so accessible, feedback is great, again, 10x better than when I've done some scripting in Max/Maya/Nuke

Simon Reeves

London, UK

si...@simonreeves.com
www.simonreeves.com

www.analogstudio.co.uk

[Ognjen Vukovic]

ice
explorer
workroups

pass/partition/overide

color4passthrough :)

[Luc-Eric Rousseau]

On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 11:59 AM, Chris Marshall
<chrisma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I wont use it... it never was up to par IMO. It has the worst UI and workflow of the entire app.

> Greg, when you use it day in day out, not needing to switch between apps, its a life saver, believe me, rubbish UI or not.

If you're opened to "rubbish UI" and want to save money, you'll get a
lot more power and floating point support out of Toxik... ;)
That said, someone did add compositing tools in the hypershade in
Maya 2012.. http://tinyurl.com/obkqbu2

[Chris Vienneau]

Please keep responding to this thread. Great info!

From: softimag...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimag...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Alastair Hearsum
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 5:55 AM
To: soft...@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: YOUR TOP 5

Hello

It seems as if I may have some contact with Autodesk shortly! I want to be armed with some points. What I'd like is your top 5 features that make Softimage great that we'd miss if we migrated to something else.

Please don't give me more than 5 and please don't go on too long describing them (It takes a while to read all the posts).

Thanks

Alastair
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[Szabolcs Matefy]

As a modeler:

1. Non destructive modeling system
2. Snapping
3. Construction history
4. quick reference coordinate system
5. Scene explorer

As a technical animator

1. Skinning
2. Actions and Mixer
3. GROUPING SYSTEM!!!!!
4. Model node
5. Construction history
+1 Explorer :)

[Chris Marshall]

I'm actually happy with the UI, it serves a purpose and delivers results quickly. That's what we need.

[Angus Davidson]

Personally Its one of the great shames in Si that the FX tree was left to gather dust. Today the UI is dated and a bit clunky but if all your after is comping layers then it does the job exceedingly well. For small shops where having to lay out additional money on a comping software was too expensive it was a godsend.

While the UI is outdated it is visual in a way that makes it easy to understand whats going on which is important when dealing with students new to concept of comping.

Blender have now taken this torch and have decent compositor inside the app.


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[Stephen Davidson]

It works, but I prefer After Effects for composite. It just works better for me.

On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 11:45 AM, Chris Marshall <chrisma...@gmail.com> wrote:

Am I the only person using the FX Tree? It's a very big plus for us.

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[Cristobal Infante]

1) ICE: It's a collaborative tool, users can help each other very easily generating a vast amount of online content for softimage. 

The softimage community has NEVER been more healthy in terms of tools, video content, third party tools and the desire for users to help each other.

This in my opinion is INVALUABLE, that community feel. I invite you to see this vimeo group:

https://vimeo.com/groups/ice

2) PASSES and PARTITIONS: For anyone doing lighting and rendering this is a god send. You can correct very easily a render and have huge flexibility with overrides.

3) RENDER TREE: Connecting nodes to construct a shader is the most artist friendly workflow that exists at the moment. In Softimage the interface is clean and you can understand clearly how things are connected. An ex-Maya user that arrived to the studio told me once: "I understood shaders when I started using xsi".

4) EXPLORER: After looking at several software out there, I can say that the explorer in softimage is clean and simple. (How it should be)

5) FINAL RESULT: Is the combination of this tools that makes us enjoy the process of creating images with softimage. 

Please have a look at this showcased work, and tell me if this looks like a dying technology:

http://softimage.tv 

[Paulo César Duarte]

1 - Modeling (Move Point Tool, Proportional Modeling, Stick Keys);

2 - Passes / Partitions;

3 - Explorer;

4 - Fx Tree integration with textures in scene;

5 - ICE;

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[Dave Thomlison]

ICE

Operator Stack

Render Passes

Explorer

Community

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[Scott Lange]

1.       Modeling, polygonal manipulation

2.       Passes and Partitions

3.       ICE

4.       Construction History

5.       Community

 

[Eric Turman]

There are many more than these 5, but here you go: 

1) GATOR (I've had Maya users nearly go into a seizure of disbelief when I've shown them GATOR in the past)

2) Non-destructive adaption of modeling work across shapes weights etc. (when a client wants a change....man this has been a lifesaver in Soft all these years)

3) Proxy Parameters (so nice for the animators not to have to hunt and peck like on Maya rigs)

4) Delta referencing with internal and external aspects and the ability to choose what information is saved and multiple resolutions to share the data effortlessly across a range of rigs and geos (the ability to spit aspects of internal and external referencing is amazingly powerful as is the ability to switch between rigs and geos without losing data)

5) Pass & partition  (instead of the ridiculous render layers)

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[Michal Doniec]

1. Workgroups

2. Reference models/deltas

3. Usable Python API

4. ICE

5. Render region

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[Bradley Gabe]

Would have been nice if someone collected these kinds of lists, and made sure proper transitional implementation not only existed, but was also production proven, you know, *before* announcing EOL.  :-)

[Arman Sernaz]

1. Pases & Partitions

2. Render Region

3. ICE

4. UI Design

5. Explorer

On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 7:47 PM, Bradley Gabe <with...@gmail.com> wrote:

Would have been nice if someone collected these kinds of lists, and made sure proper transitional implementation not only existed, but was also production proven, you know, *before* announcing EOL.  :-)

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[Nika Ragua]

1. ICE

2. Render Region

3. Models and Reference Models

4.Why invent bycicles, and start all this discontinuation rubbish? when we already have ICE ? Do normal transition of compounds into Maya - like Houdini Engine, thats all.

5. Ability ho hide\reveal the interface, by moving the mouse near the edge of the screen.

[Adam Sale]

1-For the love of god keep ICE alive. Its already mature and stable. We know nothing else will match what we can do NOW with it. Waiting 4 years for bifrost to be ready and exceeding what ice can do is a gamble.. something many of us small shops can't afford.

2- fix the horrific weighting in maya.

3- give us something like the explorer which gives you so many ways to dig into scenes. The outliner offers NOWHERE near this functionality.

To add a couple which I have not seen mentioned...

4- match tools. Wherever I look in maya matching orientation is a horrid relying on setting and breaking constraints to achieve what matching does in two clicks.

5- addons.. fantastic way for distributing all sorts of customizations to users in a single drag and drop..

[phil harbath]

 

1) ice

 

2) mixer/animation/rigging tools

 

3) shape manager

 

4) gator

 

5) render region  (everytime I open up another program, and I want to render, my first instinct is drag a render region... to no avail)

could probably live without it, the above stuff, not so much.

[Jeff McFall]

1.        ICE

2.       Passes/Partitions

3.       Modeling

4.       Animation Mixer

5.       20 years of familiarity with the product  3D and XSI

 

From: softimag...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimag...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Alastair Hearsum
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 5:55 AM
To: soft...@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: YOUR TOP 5

 

Hello

It seems as if I may have some contact with Autodesk shortly! I want to be armed with some points. What I'd like is your top 5 features that make Softimage great that we'd miss if we migrated to something else.

Please don't give me more than 5 and please don't go on too long describing them (It takes a while to read all the posts).

Thanks

Alastair

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[Steven Caron]

you all realize they are just talking to alastair about how they can improve maya, right? i mean, it is a done deal... all they are doing is trying to make it better for people to transition. that means listening to us to improve maya... not save softimage.

[pet...@skynet.be]

There you go, everything you need to start marketing and selling this
software!
Push it a bit, set a good price point, and who knows what could happen?

[gareth bell]

@Steve - If Maya can do these top 5's as well as Softimage then that's a good thing though, right?

> From: pet...@skynet.be
> To: soft...@listproc.autodesk.com
> Subject: Re: YOUR TOP 5

[Ed Manning]

On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 3:15 PM, Steven Caron <car...@gmail.com> wrote:

you all realize they are just talking to alastair about how they can improve maya, right? i mean, it is a done deal... all they are doing is trying to make it better for people to transition. that means listening to us to improve maya... not save softimage.

Well, fine.  If they turn Maya into something that works as well as Soft, then I'll be happy to use it.  Even better if if it keeps the few things that people actually like about Maya. 

[Steven Caron]

sure, but if the past week is any indication of what people really want... i just wanted to make sure no one was getting their hopes up and make it clear what is really happening here.

[Steven Caron]

just wanted to make sure everyone was on the right page... i don't want to see hearts breaking again and again. :)

[olivier jeannel]

At least someone...

They don't even know what to steal...

[Francois Lord]

1- ICE
2- Pass system
3- Operator Stack
4- Models (namespace) and RefModels
5- Various transform modes (local, global, ref, proportional, plane, etc.)

[Daniel Sweeney]

Yeah Steven is right. Also what Bradley Gabe mentioned. You would of thought a professional multi million pound corporation would of maybe thought of this before an EOL for softimage.

If you have the choice of what software you can go to in your studios. I would suggest choosing a software from a company that truly seems to care and maybe has a bit of scope to grow with what you need as a company and an artist. Something you can help sculpt while you transition. Not help make some back peddling bolt on to some software that was not ment to work like softimage as was not built from the ground up and every part of the workflow made to gel and work together. 

Unfortunately I just don't see them changing there mind about this god awful decision. Makes me sad.

My list is

Ice

construction history

Multi ppg changes

Dont know what to call this one. But I'll like that when I make a small rig or some thing with construction stacks and operators tied to other objects, when I duplicate them all for the new objects everything is tied to the correct objects.

Passes system

[Christian Lattuada]

Model

Animate

Render

Hair

ICE

Yeah, I think that's all.

.........:.........
Christian Lattuada

[Ahmidou Lyazidi]

My tougth about this is most of the top features exept maybe ICE is just not applicable to Maya due to it's architecture, specialy the explorer or the operator stack. It would probably add moe weirdness to the Frankenstein.
My 2 cents

[Manuel Huertas Marchena]

Render tree (great design & flexibility  for shading/lookdev)

Render passes

Partitions

non destructive workflow (stack operator)

ICE

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Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 21:09:08 +0100

Subject: Re: YOUR TOP 5

From: christian...@gmail.com
To: soft...@listproc.autodesk.com

[Jason S]

Of course there can be considerably more capable comp apps around,..

but apart from the convenience of having a still more than reasonably
capable compositor stitched-on to your 3D app, (that can very memory
effeciently crunch through HUGE process trees at 16k res.. in decent 16 bit)

Even if it were only to one-click import all passes/aov for checking
/precomping, (quick)

.. it's power mostly lies in that very connection to the 3D world,
allowing (for instance) to have differently processed clips from single
textures sources,
applied to different illumination paramaters (ambient, diff, spec, ...)
while remaining entirely procedural, and see your effect tweaking live
in your OGL or RenderRegion viewport.

You can have image planes, environment domes,
and/or camera projected models with full (procedural) control over the
alpha,
and full (procedural)control / treatment of the projected images or full
blown (live) compositions

You can have a shots of like say "monitors" with content entirely driven
by process trees.

That is mostly how the quite integrated FXTree can actually be very-very
powerful.

Like nuke can be an excellent 2d comp app with decent 3D,
SI can be an excellent 3D app with quite decent 2D.

[Tomas Roth]

1. Passes, partitions, overrides

2. Render Region

3. Rendertree/Icetree

4. Ice

5. Easy change parameters for multiple objects

6.

7.

.... and much more

[Jason S]

On 03/13/14 17:05, Jason S wrote:
> "monitors" with content entirely driven by process trees.

Or procedurally created "minority report" glass interfaces with tracked
finger information piped though expressions driving things in 3D etc..
etc.. :)

[Rob Chapman]

On 13 March 2014 19:15, Steven Caron <car...@gmail.com> wrote:

you all realize they are just talking to alastair about how they can improve maya, right? i mean, it is a done deal... all they are doing is trying to make it better for people to transition. that means listening to us to improve maya... not save softimage.

there are plenty of proverbs I could use here Steven, I find as you age you gather them up. but instead, just wanted to leave a quote below and a small glimmer of hope to enter your cold frozen heart. :D

December 13, 2013 5:47 am

Twitter backs down amid outcry over ‘blocking’ changes

By Hannah Kuchler in San Francisco and Robert Cookson in London

©AFP

 http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/a78f4b80-63b4-11e3-98e2-00144feabdc0.html#ixzz2vsgVAMGu

Twitter has reversed changes it made this week to how people block abusive users, the latest example of a social media company making a rapid U-turn after a user backlash.

 

[Steven Caron]

well, we wouldn't be in this situation if had over 600 million users...

i am a realist, and my heart isn't cold or frozen. ;P

[Nils Engler]

1. Passes/Partitions
2. Operator Stacks/Construction Modes
3. ICE
4. GUI (text-based labelling makes it straight forward to read and fast to get used to/ middle-click repeats/ multimode in PPGs/ multiple explorers etc )
5. Render Tree

...

Cheers,
Nils

[Gerbrand Nel]

One thing I find handy in the fxtree is that you can link scene objects
to comp effects via expressions.
I've done allot of re-lighting and 2.5D tracking this way.
I will miss it but I don't think it gets into the top 5 for me.
My top 5:
1: ICE
2: operator stack
3: Interface and work flow (words, not pictures for buttons. Also
multiple floating windows)
4: middle click repeat last command
5: ICE


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On 2014/03/13 06:44 PM, Stephen Davidson wrote:
> It works, but I prefer After Effects for composite. It just works
> better for me.
>

[pet...@skynet.be]

so Steve, why don’t you share your Top 5 - sure there are some things you like about Softimage?

 

I totally get the “don’t get your hopes up” attitude – I’ve accepted Softimage was EOL the day development moved to Singapore.

But it would be unfair to dear old SI not to speak up a bit in it’s favour – just for old times sakes.

 

 

 

 

From: Steven Caron

Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 10:45 PM

To: soft...@listproc.autodesk.com

Subject: Re: YOUR TOP 5

 

[Sofronis Efstathiou]

1 - Animation tool set - mixer, f-curve editor, saving/removing keys/ dope sheet, MOTOR, region, UI etc.

2 - Rigging - nonlinear work flow, weight editor, adding and removing deformers, GATOR etc

3 - Render passes and Partitions

4 - Modelling

5 - ICE


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[Andreas Böinghoff]

1. passworkflow + renderregion
2. ice
3. operator stack
4. workgroups
5. non-linear character animation + weighting

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[Tim Leydecker]

My top 5 are modeling area biased:


1) Unfold op and the Regularize tool (especially in 2014sp2,
since the Regularize tool doesn´t stop at shell borders)

2) Everything that´s part of the "M" shortcut/workflow
(Sliding edges/points/faces, etc). Adding eges. Splitting edges. Loops.

3) The render region. The render region. The render region.

4) The operator stack. An envelope can swims atop massive
changes to a topology and still interpolates existing wheights
nicely. Great for testing and working out shape/topology on
a mesh - you´re not restricted to being stuck in the bindpose.
Also helps prepping a mesh copy for painting/sculpting.

5) Copy&Paste UVs. Bake to another UV set. Gator/Rendermap.


Cheers,

tim

[Tim Leydecker]

Sorry. Edit.

The most convenient thing in Softimage is the Transformations options:

http://download.autodesk.com/global/docs/softimage2014/en_us/userguide/index.html?url=files/xfo_transforms.htm,topicNumber=d30e47900

That´s the basis for the below top 5 to be so convenient:

[Steven Caron]

everyone already pointed out some great stuff! but how about a little story...

just yesterday, i was reminded how awesome softimage is because i was able to re discover something i hadn't used in a long time. the thing isn't important but what is important is that it was 'discoverable'... meaning softimage provided me with those little 'L' 'M' and 'R' hints at the bottom.

[pet...@skynet.be]

ah yes – lovely that.

it used to be a given in any 3D software - but the arrival of zero button mice has undermined the arts of using three fingers.

 

the use of 3 mousebuttons and the onscreen info about them, the middle click to repeat command, text icons, the whole of the main command panel, the logical organisation of tools (without knowing wether or not a tool exists, you kind of know where to go look for it)

 

it’s all softimage 3D heritage. With over 15 years accomodating to all that, I’m certainly biased,  but I can’t help but feel that the Softimage interface accomodates the learning process rather than impeding it. There is a ton of plain good ideas in there, that I can’t believe this hasn’t picked up more by competition.

 

If this software had a mediocre interface, there would be much less reluctance to jump ship.

I just pictured a ship sinking and the captain contemplating his console thinking he’d rather drown than use another interface ever.

 

 

From: Steven Caron

Sent: Friday, March 14, 2014 9:46 AM

To: soft...@listproc.autodesk.com

Subject: Re: YOUR TOP 5

 

[Jason S]

Overall Non-Destructivity
Stable tool introperability
Muti views of anything to see & edit things in proportion to each-other almost simultaneously
Fully Procedural Texture Editing Processing Tree
Passes that are able to override any property

Leaving out ICE cause Bifrost will obviously make XSI obsolete in it's entirety.
While I may say that sarcastically,
it's the reasonning I suspect motivated the decision most likely,
while perhaps prematurely beleiveing it would be putting it out of it's misery.

On 03/14/14 4:18, Andreas Böinghoff wrote:

Model

Animate

Render

Hair

ICE

Yeah, I think that's all.

Lol! :)

[Morten Bartholdy]

I guess this list is closely related with the type of tasks that land on the individual artists table, but here are my top 5:

 

ICE - for its power and versatility

Render Tree - flexibility for testing various shading setups

Operator Stack - the ability to go back in modeling stack and fix stuff in the 11th hour before rendering

Render Passes/Partitions/Overrides

General ease of use and efficient workflow

Morten Bartholdy

gimmickvfx.com

Den 13. marts 2014 kl. 16:26 skrev Stephen Blair <stephe...@gmail.com>:

Row Labels	Count of Feature
ICE	11
Render Passes/Partitions/Overrides	9
Operator stack	7
Non-linear character animation	5
GUI	5
Explorer	4
Workgroups	3
Render Tree	3
GATOR	3
Artist driven non-linear workflow	3
Weighting	3
Polygon Modeling	3
Tweak Tool	2
Snapping	1
Animation toolset	1
Ultimapper	1
Animation Mixer	1
Shape manager	1
Motor	1
Live Corrective Shapes	1
Texturing toolset	1
API	1
Usability	1
Scripting	1
Workflow	1
Selections	1
Python	1
Reference planes	1
(blank)
Grand Total	76

On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 10:59 AM, Jordi Bares < jordi...@gmail.com > wrote:

I would suggest Alastair to have a poll, will be easier to do…

 

Anyway, would you mind sharing your final list? I am fascinated by what the community of artists say.

Jordi Bares

jordi...@gmail.com

On 13 Mar 2014, at 14:41, Pablo Tufaro < pabl...@gmail.com > wrote:

Here´s my tip 5!

1-Explorer
2-Render Passes/Partitions/Overrides
3-ICE
4-Render Tree
5-Animation mixer.

[Ed Harriss]

1. Render Workflow – Passes, Partitions, Overrides, Etc…

2. Render Region toolset.

3. “Text Buttons” option. Less Icons please.

4. Explorer, Explorer, Explorer, Explorer, Explorer, Explorer.

5. Selections. The way you select things in XSI is awesome. Object based, component based, whatever. It just works. Multiple Object select editing. You know what I mean, there is no need for an deep explanation of this one.

 

…so many more, but you did say only 5.

 

Yes, I left ICE, workgroups, workflow, operator stack, Gator, overall UI, etc… off the list. But you know I wanted to put them on there. One thing I don’t feel like I can put the list is community. There is nothing that anyone can do about this so why waste a spot. It is something that can only occur naturally. It cannot be created by force. I really, really hope it forms over time or just carries over from where we are today.

 

Ed

 

 

From: softimag...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimag...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Morten Bartholdy
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2014 9:33 AM
To: soft...@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: YOUR TOP 5

 

I guess this list is closely related with the type of tasks that land on the individual artists table, but here are my top 5: