[Standards] Status of XEP 0075
Markus Kohlhase
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Hi,
I'd like to discuss the status of XEP 0075 with you.
My motivation to use it is to write an XMPP based application. It's a
distributed system with a web client for managing some entities.
There are several ways to communicate with application servers, e.g.
- - XEP 0009: Jabber RPC
- - XEP 0050: Ad-Hoc Commandd
- - XEP 0072: SOAP Over XMPP
But there are some drawbacks.
Jabber RPC/XML-RPC is an old and great protocol. But if you want to
manage a lot of entities with its properties it's sometimes
complicated to map the methods to the entities.
Ad-Hoc Commands are designed for human interaction and support only
simple data structures (XEP-0004). Of course you can use XEP 0244 but
it's still not really suited for machine to machine interaction.
SOAP is a modern way to interact between multiple systems but for my
case its too bloated for my needs.
In my opinion JOAP is a great protocol for handling a bunch of objects.
My questions:
- - Are there any other similar protocols?
- - Is it worth to work on that protocol?
- - What do you think should be improved?
Best regards
Markus Kohlhase
PS:
to play around with JOAP, I wrote some lines to have fun:
https://github.com/flosse/node-xmpp-joap
https://github.com/metajack/strophejs-plugins/tree/master/joap
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Peter Saint-Andre
> Hi,
>
> I'd like to discuss the status of XEP 0075 with you.
> My motivation to use it is to write an XMPP based application. It's a
> distributed system with a web client for managing some entities.
>
> There are several ways to communicate with application servers, e.g.
>
> - XEP 0009: Jabber RPC
> - XEP 0050: Ad-Hoc Commandd
> - XEP 0072: SOAP Over XMPP
>
> But there are some drawbacks.
> Jabber RPC/XML-RPC is an old and great protocol. But if you want to
> manage a lot of entities with its properties it's sometimes
> complicated to map the methods to the entities.
> Ad-Hoc Commands are designed for human interaction and support only
> simple data structures (XEP-0004). Of course you can use XEP 0244 but
> it's still not really suited for machine to machine interaction.
> SOAP is a modern way to interact between multiple systems but for my
> case its too bloated for my needs.
> In my opinion JOAP is a great protocol for handling a bunch of objects.
>
> My questions:
>
> - Are there any other similar protocols?
Perhaps IO Data:
http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0244.html
> - Is it worth to work on that protocol?
Maybe. :) It's very old and might not reflect up-to-date thinking about
interactions between entities.
> - What do you think should be improved?
I haven't looked at JOAP in 9 years, so I'm not sure what I'd change.
XEP-0244 is the most recent attempt to work on something similar.
XEP-0072 is indeed bloated, but you get all that SOAP stuff for free in
various libraries, so it might be worth a closer look.
Peter
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Markus Kohlhase
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> This reminds me - I had a chat with Evan on this, and he was
> enthusiastic about resurrecting the concept.
What happened then? Why was it discontinued?
>>> - Are there any other similar protocols?
>> Perhaps IO Data:
Yes, IO Data looks interesting but it doesn't provide such a nice object
oriented style like JOAP.
>>> - Is it worth to work on that protocol?
>> Maybe. :)
I'd say of course ;-)
>> It's very old and might not reflect up-to-date thinking about
>> interactions between entities.
This is why I'd like to reanimate the discussion :)
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