Any owl rdf draft file pubblished?

[Matteo Busanelli]

Hi, 

  I would be interested on trying XBRL ontology or even some XBRL taxonomy in RDF or OWL format.

Do you know if there is any available file to download so that I could import it in my ontology?

Even something in draft version to test....

I also tryed http://xbrlontology.com/ but only the IIS 7 logo and link appears.

Any suggestion/news?

Thanks in advance.

Matteo.

[Roberto García]

Hi Matteo,

We have created som XBRL ontologies by transforming the original XML
Schemas into OWL.
They are available at: http://rhizomik.net/html/ontologies/bizontos/

We have also experimented with instance data based on some of these
ontologies, generating RDF from XBRL XML instance documents:
http://rhizomik.net/semanticxbrl/

Hope it helps.

Regards,

Roberto García
Associate Professor
Universitat de Lleida, Spain
http://rhizomik.net/~roberto

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[Matteo Busanelli]

Thanks Roberto for the rapid response!

I'll immediately check both link and I'll try to import and integrate it with my ontology.

We're working on a POC project for BI Reporting semantic documentation and this ontology could be very helpful.

Any news about the website of the project? Is the project still alive?

Thanks again.

Regards,

Matteo

[Roberto García]

> Thanks Roberto for the rapid response!
> I'll immediately check both link and I'll try to import and integrate it
> with my ontology.
>
> We're working on a POC project for BI Reporting semantic documentation and
> this ontology could be very helpful.

I hope it helps.

> Any news about the website of the project? Is the project still alive?

Sorry, no idea. I'm just a member of the list, not managing it or the
project website.

Best,

[Hugh Wallis]

A couple of other papers that you might find of interest are:

XBRL taxonomies and OWL ontologies for investment funds  - http://ir.ii.uam.es/~bronto/publications/ois06.pdf

Wenger, Mitchell; Thomas, Manoj A.; and Babb, Jeffrey S. Jr., "An Ontological Approach to XBRL Financial Statement Reporting" (2011). AMCIS 2011 Proceedings - All Submissions. Paper 448.

http://aisel.aisnet.org/amcis2011_submissions/448

This second paper (which you will have to pay to download, but be aware that it says in its conclusion “This paper has been limited to a conceptual discussion of the solution and presentation of the ontology knowledge map at a very high level.”) makes the observation that there is a large amount of research that is still to take place in this area - an observation with which I concur.

It is also my observation that no matter how far the experimentation with XBRL and the Semantic Web has gone, none of the researchers appear to have investigated any of the additional XBRL functionality that could provide an even richer semantic experience: specifically dimensions, versioning, formulas and XBRL-GL. The fact that the US GAAP schemas, for example, use element names that appear to suggest their semantics seems to have been leveraged by all efforts to date. However, this is not a generally applicable approach to expressing XBRL in another syntax such as OWL since element names are really just random text strings. Some taxonomy authors are considering using GUIDs for element names, for example. The real semantic information is carried by the definitions found in the label linkbases and the references to authoritative literature in the reference linkbase as well as some of the hierarchical information in dimensional linkbases.

 

Cheers

Hugh

Hugh Wallis
Standard Dimensions - www.standarddimensions.com
Experts in XBRL since 1999

hu...@standarddimensions.com

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[Matteo Busanelli]

Thanks for this in depth consideration.

I'll take care of them but for my testing purpose the xsd2rdf conversion now should be enough.

What you say is correct in my opinion.

I hoped that this issues could be investigted in the http://xbrlontology.com/ initiative.

It will be interecsting if someone could take care of this issues becouse I strongly believe that XBRL (like many other XML interoperability standard as ebXML or UBL) could be empowered by the semantic layer provided by ontologies.

MB. 

[Frederick Giasson]

Hi Guys,

I think everybody on this list will agree with you. However, by lack of  funds, or lack of commitment from this seed group, the project and collaboration never really started.

However, this said, it always surprise me that each time that someone post something, even if it has been silent for nearly a year, that group members instantly take time to reply. Without any ontology to show up (supervised by this group), it nearly has as many members as other successful ontologies related groups such as BIBO (bibliographic ontology), and MO (music ontology).

Most people sees the benefits, many people on this list works with XBRL related information daily, but something still seems to be missing: funds to build the foundations of a sustainable project.

Not sure what else I could say at the moment.

Thanks!

Take care,

Fred

[Hugh Wallis]

Thanks Matteo

That link seems no longer to point to an active project.

I think it is going to be a big task needing mega-resources - so the big question is "where is the funding coming from?"

Cheers

Hugh

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[Frederick Giasson]

Hi,

> That link seems no longer to point to an active project.
>
> I think it is going to be a big task needing mega-resources - so the
> big question is "where is the funding coming from?"

About the website and domain name, it was hosted on a server that is not
existing anymore, and it is why you are seeing that page. This whole
thing can be recovered, but still, there is no site so to speak. The
only asset is this mailing list with its 102 members.

The "XBRL Ontology" group was supposed to become the same kind of
ontology development group as:

(1) http://musicontology.com
(2) http://bibliontology.com

Both started by me, and key editors/collaborators.

However, this particular group never really started due to focus,
funding and commitments from all parties (including myself). Our hope
(mine and Structured Dynamics') was to get a contract with a client in
the financial services sector to restart this project and inject funds
in it using such an opportunity. However, as I said, it never happened
(yet), and it is the reason, I think, why it is still on the back burner.

Hope it helps understanding the history of the group, and where it
currently stands.

Take care,

Fred

[Frederick Giasson]

Hi,

> The "XBRL Ontology" group was supposed to become the same kind of
> ontology development group as:
>
>    (1)  http://musicontology.com
>    (2)http://bibliontology.com

And I forgot to include:

(3) http://umbel.org

Thanks,

Fred