Flickr Image attribution

[Dave Dugdale]

Dan,

I found your site from Flickr referral data. Nice work, glad to see my
photos might find a new home on the web, I enjoy sharing them.

http://wylio.com/wylio-app/php/getPhotoInfo.php?photo_id=5026217210

I enjoy when people use my Creative Commons photos that I work hard
on, but as I noted on Flickr (below the photo) I require that they
provide me credit to my rentvine.com site.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/37387065@N05/5026217210

Please update you code so people using your system know how to
attribute my photos correctly.

Thanks,
Dave Dugdale

[Dan Evans]

Hi Dave,

Thanks for contacting us. And thanks for your interest in and kind words about Wylio!

Unfortunately Flickr doesn't yet offer us a reasonably practical way to automatically obtain an image owner's custom attribution URI. If this means our service isn't a good fit for your pictures, we understand. The best way to ensure your pictures don't show up in Wylio's search results is to change the licensing of your pictures to one of Flickr's non-commercial CC license options. Wylio only searches CC photos that have been designated as allowed for Commercial Use by their up-loaders. However, we'd be sorry to loose you as part of the search results!

For your situation in particular it's important to note that the Attribution-ShareAlike 2.0 license under which you've released the image you referenced in your message doesn't require users to use rentvine.com as the attribution URI since that address doesn't point to a copyright notice or licensing information for the work:

Here's the applicable excerpt from the Attribution-ShareAlike 2.0 license - Section 4c (emphasis added):

"You must keep intact all copyright notices for the Work and give the Original Author credit reasonable to the medium or means You are utilizing by conveying the name (or pseudonym if applicable) of the Original Author if supplied; the title of the Work if supplied; to the extent reasonably practicable, the Uniform Resource Identifier, if any, that Licensor specifies to be associated with the Work, unless such URI does not refer to the copyright notice or licensing information for the Work;"

We apologize if there's been a misunderstanding and hope this information is helpful. Thank you for your feedback, it is much appreciated and will help us improve our service in the future!

-Dan Evans

[Dave Dugdale]

Thanks Dan for the reply and explanation.

I talked to someone at CreativeCommons.org about this issue a month
ago and they said they might talk to Flickr about it, perhaps if you
know someone at Flickr you could also mention it as well.

So it sounds like I am not using the correct license, which one do you
suggest I use if I want to share my work with as many people
(commercial, etc.) as possible and get attribution for it?

Thanks,
Dave

On Dec 16, 10:20 am, Dan Evans <emaildanev...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Dave,
>
> Thanks for contacting us. And thanks for your interest in and kind words
> about Wylio!
>
> Unfortunately Flickr doesn't yet offer us a reasonably practical way to
> automatically obtain an image owner's custom attribution URI. If this means
> our service isn't a good fit for your pictures, we understand. The best way
> to ensure your pictures don't show up in Wylio's search results is to change
> the licensing of your pictures to one of Flickr's non-commercial CC license
> options. Wylio only searches CC photos that have been designated as allowed
> for Commercial Use by their up-loaders. However, we'd be sorry to loose you
> as part of the search results!
>
> For your situation in particular it's important to note that the
> Attribution-ShareAlike

> 2.0 license <http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.0/legalcode> under

> which you've released the image you referenced in your message doesn't
> require users to use rentvine.com as the attribution URI since that address
> doesn't point to a copyright notice or licensing information for the work:
>
> Here's the applicable excerpt from the Attribution-ShareAlike 2.0 license
> - Section 4c (emphasis added):
>
> "You must keep intact all copyright notices for the Work and give the
> Original Author credit reasonable to the medium or means You are utilizing
> by conveying the name (or pseudonym if applicable) of the Original Author if

> supplied; the title of the Work if supplied;* to the extent reasonably

> practicable, the Uniform Resource Identifier, if any, that Licensor
> specifies to be associated with the Work, unless such URI does not refer to

> the copyright notice or licensing information for the Work;*"

>
> We apologize if there's been a misunderstanding and hope this information is
> helpful. Thank you for your feedback, it is much appreciated and will help
> us improve our service in the future!
>
> -Dan Evans
>

[Dan Evans]

I believe all of the CC licenses require attribution, so you should be fine with any of them in that regard. However, from my understanding, attribution is naming the photo's author, so it's a slightly different issue than placing a URI with the image.

You simply may not be able to control the URI (if one is even used) that the user specifies. From my understanding of the licenses, CC doesn't require the use of a photo owner's requested URI if it's not "the copyright notice or licensing information" or if it isn't "reasonably practicable" as they put it in their licenses.

This might be why Flickr and CC is slow to respond about this.

All that aside, I want to make sure our service is a great thing for both photo owners AND bloggers/website owners, so I appreciate you bringing the issue to our attention. Perhaps we at Wylio can figure out a better solution to the issue than has been used in the past.

Thanks again for contacting us, I hope I've been helpful!

-Dan

to the extent reasonably
>> practicable, the Uniform Resource Identifier, if any, that Licensor
>> specifies to be associated with the Work, unless such URI does not refer to
>> the copyright notice or licensing information for the Work;

[Dave Dugdale]

When you go to one of my photos on Flickr and you click on the share-
alike icon it sends you to "http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/
2.0/" and the license says:

"Attribution — You must attribute the work in the manner specified by
the author or licensor (but not in any way that suggests that they
endorse you or your use of the work). "

I am not a lawyer, but I thought that statement above means that I can
tell them how they can attribute my work, like with a URL for
instance.

Am I reading this incorrectly?

Dave

On Dec 17, 8:57 am, Dan Evans <emaildanev...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I believe all of the CC licenses require attribution, so you should be fine
> with any of them in that regard. However, from my understanding, attribution
> is naming the photo's author, so it's a slightly different issue than
> placing a URI with the image.
>
> You simply may not be able to control the URI (if one is even used) that the
> user specifies. From my understanding of the licenses, CC doesn't require
> the use of a photo owner's requested URI if it's not "the copyright notice
> or licensing information" or if it isn't "reasonably practicable" as they
> put it in their licenses.
>
> This might be why Flickr and CC is slow to respond about this.
>
> All that aside, I want to make sure our service is a great thing for both
> photo owners AND bloggers/website owners, so I appreciate you bringing the
> issue to our attention. Perhaps we at Wylio can figure out a better solution
> to the issue than has been used in the past.
>
> Thanks again for contacting us, I hope I've been helpful!
>
> -Dan
>
> to the extent reasonably
>
> >> practicable, the Uniform Resource Identifier, if any, that Licensor
> >> specifies to be associated with the Work, unless such URI does not refer
> to
> >> the copyright notice or licensing information for the Work;
>

[Dan Evans]

Hi Dave,

Attribution and URI requirements are listed separately in that CC license. The "human readable summary" you've linked to doesn't get into the details but the full license does. See my previous messages for the applicable excerpts.

You can find a link to the full license at the bottom of the summary you're referring to in your previous message.

-Dan