Feedback requested
Daryl Cobranchi
WTP has now been in operation for several months and we have an opportunity for our first real "assignment" staring us in the face. As the F-O detailed earlier this year, there have been ongoing discussions between Fayetteville and the County around the entire subject of Emergency Response-- particularly fire response. It has been suggested that this issue might be a good test case for WTP to start building a rep as a neutral, data-driven "think tank." I strongly concur. I see this issue as one that every single taxpayer in the county will care about. I'd like to pursue gathering data and then analyzing it under the WTP umbrella.
Does anyone have a problem with WTP taking on this task? Please feel free to yay or nay. I don't want anyone to think that I'm trying to hijack the group or its mission.
--
Daryl Cobranchi
http://cobranchi.com
todd lyden
Oldblood
This is Bob
In reference to the statistical information as it relates to the data that has been recorded. I believe that we can use the current data as it has be accumulated and recorded. However, if we are looking for trends, then we must identify what information that we a seeking, what set are variables are relevant to our particular study.
Afterward we need to confirm our data by getting a random sampling of those parts of data that we think are important. Do our our analysis and then compare it to what has been previously recorded in other studies, then go from there.
An example of what i am talking about is: (Number of total child birth is Cumberland County.
We do a random sampling of (Say 500 sample Fields)
1. Recorded births in Cape Fear Hospital (two tear time frame)
2. Recorded Births at the County Clerks Office(Two year time Frame)
3. birth per randomly selected days/months
4. birth detected by law enforcement, social service, WIC programs,
or agencies
or what ever data that we find relevant.
Data is then correlated to reduced redundancy, and then based upon the data you need, its is formulated,analized, extrapolated, and recorde to render the disired results,
Bob
--- On Tue 11/27, todd lyden tly...@gmail.com wrote:
From: todd lyden [mailto: tly...@gmail.com]
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 13:20:12 -0500
Subject: [WTP-Forum: 57] Re: Feedback requested
<div>Daryl,</div>
<div>as much as the numbers should drive the end results- the decision on what to look at, where when and how is not set in stone.</div>
<div>I still believe that looking BACK at the original study for the ground work of where consolidation can functional occur now is smart and this is a GREAT example of where it NEEDS to be done ASAP.<br><br></div>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Nov 27, 2007 12:50 PM, Daryl Cobranchi <a href="mailto:da...@cobranchi.com">da...@cobranchi.com</a> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">Gentlefolk--<br><br>WTP has now been in operation for several months and we have an opportunity for our first real "assignment" staring us in the face. As the F-O detailed earlier this year, there have been ongoing discussions between Fayetteville and the County around the entire subject of Emergency Response-- particularly fire response. It has been suggested that this issue might be a good test case for WTP to start building a rep as a neutral, data-driven "think tank." I strongly concur. I see this issue as one that every single taxpayer in the county will care about. I'd like to pursue gathering data and then analyzing it under the WTP umbrella.
<br><br>Does anyone have a problem with WTP taking on this task? Please feel free to yay or nay. I don't want anyone to think that I'm trying to hijack the group or its mission.<br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><font color="#888888">
Daryl Cobranchi <br><a href="http://cobranchi.com/" target="_blank">http://cobranchi.com</a><br><br><br></font></blockquote></div><br><br>
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----- Original Message -----From: todd lyden
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 1:20 PMSubject: [WTP-Forum: 57] Re: Feedback requested
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From:
wtp-...@googlegroups.com [mailto:wtp-...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Daryl Cobranchi
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007
12:51 PM
To: wtp-...@googlegroups.com
Subject: [WTP-Forum: 56] Feedback
requested
Gentlefolk--
Wojo
a couple of caveats: (1) we can't do this with the currently available
(few) "researchers" we have acquired to date; (2) there is a potential
for this to get "political", and that is something that must be
avoided at all costs; and (3) we will definitely need supprt of
government "staff" for the data, and that means we need to ask the
right questions.
So we need to "bind" the outcome in some way, and get more folks on
board the WTP "bandwagon"... One of the things we can certainly brring
to the table as "WTP" is process... apolitical "follow the data"
process... unique...
Regards, [Wojo]
Mary Ellen Lavoie
> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 19:55:52 -0800
> Subject: [WTP-Forum: 65] Re: Feedback requested
> From: alexfw...@aol.com
> To: wtp-...@googlegroups.com
Jwri...@aol.com
Ron Harrison
Daryl Cobranchi
1) Take a look at existing Emergency Response data (Define in 6 Sigma)
2) Apply rigorous statistical analyses to same to determine if there are true differences across city/county/fire district (for example) lines (Measure)
3) Assuming 2), describe a recommended "fix." (Analyze)
Improve and Control, the final two steps are above our pay grade.
AlexFW...@aol.com
I agree. Critical tasks should support execution of a well defined objective. Honestly, I am at a loss as to what objective we are attempting to execute. It would be helpful to me if our objective was re-stated, a set of supporting critical tasks were outlined and research focused on accomplishing/supporting those tasks and the objective.
It certainly and very well could be me, but I sense a loss of focus and possibly a need to re-apply the KISS principle.----- Original Message -----From: Jwri...@aol.comSent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 8:18 PMSubject: [WTP-Forum: 69] Re: Feedback requestedThe number of researchers is one issue, but an equally important issue is this: the number/types of topics for research. I think we need to focus on critical task issues/research. Otherwise we may risk serious dilution. w
Ron Harrison
AlexFW...@aol.com
Alrighty, then. It obviously was me. Please remove my name from the committee so as to make way for some one more likely to offer party line" feed back and contribute in a more constructive manner
Pat
----- Original Message -----From: AlexFW...@aol.com
Oldblood
May I make a suggestion. I have read many of the emails and heard some of the comments. I don't know what level of expertise everybody has, so the information that I read can be quite confusing. So let me say this.
I have some experience with statistical analysis and calculus. I am a little rusty right now, but here is what I think would be meaningful.
1. First identify the argument and/or results that you are seeking. If my understanding is correct we are seeking better government (whatever that may means)
2. The data that has already been collected from the various groups with their results are just that (results at that point in time). It may (or may not)have relevance to what we are doing or to our declared objective (arguments).
3. Keep in mind, in general statistical analysis in primarily used to proved or disprove (Support or eject)some known or unknown set of facts, positions, or occurances.)
4. Finally, I say keep it simple until you know the technical proficiency of each of our participants. As our national statitcs indicate, Many Americans are not techically proficient in the Maths and Sciences, so throwing a lot of numbers without explanation may be confusing to one that is not acustom to this can of data. (i.e. does everyone know what a standard deviation or a linear function is) Get my point
We have enough people to do or own random sampling and can arrive at our own conclusion based upon what we are trying to prove or disprove. (10 knowledgable people should be adequate. You don't really need to pay for some high end research at this point in time.
One other comment, for those of you whom are confused about what is "Critical Analysis" let me see if I can simplify it. Critical Analysis is the process or act of dividing concepts or ideas into sub-parts and analysing the claims of another to determine: what concepts or ideas are based on true, false, or uncertain supporting evidence. It further tends to collect evidence (data) to support or reject the arugument for or against the concepts or ideas in question.
I hope this gives some clarity to some of us. Feel free to make comments, just thought I throw my ten cent in the pot.
Bob
--- On Wed 11/28, < AlexFW...@aol.com > wrote:
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Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 22:00:46 EST
Subject: [WTP-Forum: 74] Re: Feedback requested
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<DIV>I agree too... but I have a question... WHO is going to
define/objectiveize/restate... on the research/strategy forums, we have asked
for input for months... ZERO response... y'all seem to think that the magician
will wave a wand and "make it happen"... DOH!</DIV>
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<DIV>Let me put it out here... Breeden said nothing would be accomplished
without community input & involvement.... I agree... but who has done what
to develop community interest and involvement? HUH?</DIV>
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<DIV>Need to refocus the objective...?? OK... WHO is going to do that???
HUH?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Need to (re)establish "critical tasks"...?? OK... WHO is going to do
that...?? HUH?</DIV>
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<DIV>Want to focus research on specifics?? OK... WHO is going to do that....??
HUH?</DIV>
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<DIV>Want to KISS...? OK DEFINE it... </DIV>
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<DIV>PLAN B... provide some specifics on where we need to go... skip the
generalities... if you have a complaint, great... but don't complain in writing
if you don't have a plan... WHAT'S THE PLAN...???</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>In a message dated 11/28/2007 8:35:05 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
rharr...@nc.rr.com writes:</DIV>
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<DIV>I agree. Critical tasks should support execution of a well defined
objective. Honestly, I am at a loss as to what objective we are
attempting to execute. It would be helpful to me if our objective was
re-stated, a set of supporting critical tasks were outlined and research
focused on accomplishing/supporting those tasks and the objective.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>It certainly and very well could be me, but I sense a loss of focus and
possibly a need to re-apply the KISS principle.</DIV>
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<DIV>The number of researchers is one issue, but an equally important issue
is this: the number/types of topics for research. I think we need to focus
on critical task issues/research. Otherwise we may risk serious
dilution.
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Julian Brown
this effort simple. Some of this is becoming a little overwhelming.
Julian
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