RE: 2013 Finals

[kylesmart]

I agree with john last year we as a club didnt want to pay u and got alienated. Now I believe this is the second year tri cities has not paid. 

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From: John Anderson <pos...@gmail.com>
Date: 09/12/2013 7:50 PM (GMT-08:00)
To: wss-pl...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: 2013 Finals

Anybody who does not feel it is important to live up to their obligations should be alienated.

On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 6:46 PM, Marty Moose <discgolf...@gmail.com> wrote:

John It's fine line we walk. WE want to encourage them to participate without alienating them.

On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 11:11 AM, John Anderson <pos...@gmail.com> wrote:

Jub,

I am glad that it was already decided earlier.  You could have saved yourself some grief and confusion and not allow the points from the two unpaid events to be displayed publicly.

 Why are you inferring it would be "throwing someone under the bus" when the decision has been already made.  There should be no exception to the rule.  Especially for TDs who can not budget their finances.

On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 8:24 AM, Marty Moose <discgolf...@gmail.com> wrote:

Here it  is

On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 7:17 AM, Marty Moose <discgolf...@gmail.com> wrote:

John we decided this really early. If we allow this now Dave Lowery will have a fit (rightfully so)

Battle has had 3 months and a stay of execution in respect for the forum mod's so I have no problem with him under the bus.

Meltdown is a little different. I know they way over spent and had to schedule payments to the pdga. I seriously doubt Bose will ever be allowed to run an event of the Meltdowns stature again so...

I figured we would make the announcement on Mon as we update the final points.

Now for some better news

shirts are ordered at $7.25 each pick up on Tue next week.

Yeah now back to the sausage

  With the $450 out standing being half our nest egg What do we want to do? right now we have about $100 left not including finals fees. I am working on a spreadsheet. but in a nut shell

$5K  gross

$950 egg

$750 shirts

$1000 Open purse

$2200 Am purse

On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 11:37 AM, John Anderson <pos...@gmail.com> wrote:

Jub, whatever you if you decide to allow the points for non-paying tournaments or not, an announcement should be made publicly ASAP.

On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 7:46 PM, John Anderson <pos...@gmail.com> wrote:

Its not throwing anyone under the bus.  If they agreed to run a series event they are obligated to pay the fees.  If they choose to not pay the fees for their event, it is no longer a series event.  The whole payout is tainted/skewed if the points are allowed and there is no funds to back them up.  What if the roles were reversed, would it be considered "throwing you under the bus" if you accepted the fees and not award points and the TD told all the players?  If the TDs are not paid up by the finals, the points should not be counted.

On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 4:14 PM, Marty Moose <discgolf...@gmail.com> wrote:

I agree John but it's a fine line now Do we throw them under the bus? or do we nurse them along to try and get the fees?

On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 11:26 AM, John Anderson <pos...@gmail.com> wrote:

If the event has not paid the series the points from that event should not count.  It is the only leverage that the series has to keep event organizers accountable.  It should be fair to all the events that have paid into the series.  The "points" is the pretty much the only benefit that the series gives to any event, if those are given with-out receiving payment they are worthless.

My 2 cents

On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 9:17 AM, Jub <discgolf...@gmail.com> wrote:

Up to speed
Currently we have 90 quailifers so I am using 100 as our number
next we have two events that owe us money. Battle owes $300 meltdown $160 t. Battle might pay soon meltdown not so much counting these and the loss of two events Sekani and States our gross income is $4129

Trophies We have 14 TFr's lef I propose we  re purpose them as trophies for  1-3 Adv, 1-3 Am II, 1 Adv ladies- SR Grand Men, 1-2 Adv Master and Grand 12 of 14

Shirts I hope to know more on Mon. Lets still say it's $850

Bag tag We have a sponsor Gordy's has ponied up $100 of the $115.

So our only expenses the shirts and the raw cost of the TFR's ($140)

  Here are the fee only breakdowns

Open Men 28/$630 Ladies 5/$91, Masters 7/$195, Grand 1/$54 masters Ladies 0/$21       $909
ADV Men 22/$663 Ladies 1/$69, Masters 6/$234, Grand 7/$150 Grand Ladies 0/$6, SR Grand men 1/$12  $1134
Am II Men 20/$630 Ladies 0/$39,  $ 669
Rec Men ?/$138 Ladies 0/$24   $162
all JR's 0/$48                            $48

Open Payout $909
Adv Payout    $1134
Am II Payout  $669
Rec   Payout  $138

Total payout $2811  total income $4129  $1313* - shirts = nest egg

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