Dream Ralf: Tiliáns in WTC

[Ralf Penderak]

Tilians in WTC
05.12.2011

I'm part of a group of predominantly male persons in the ground floor
of a very high building. We have bags (like for sports or traveling)
containing technical devices, and the leader, a man in the thirties,
the oldest of our group (besides me?) now steers us through some plot,
and I feel the goal is to retrieve and/ or steal something situated on
the highest floors of this building. It isn't clear if we are thieves
or agents.

Bags are put before a door, devices unpacked, the door to an elevator
manipulated. All this done openly, while streams of "ordinary" people
passing unaware. I get nervous about being detected and say something
like that to the leader, but he appears to be not impressed, gets on
with the plan. And I take some of the bags out of the way and under a
nearby staircase.

General impressions

The title I give the dream anticipates my interpretation.

There is something precious we want to retrieve from the highest level
connected to the tragedy of 911 (The situation which got the
peacebridge started). I feel it actually belongs to us, but for some
reason it is kept there.

This situation in dream is reminding me of chapter 2 of "The Poison
Gamble": "An Inadvertant Theft", where Merrill talks Don into stealing
the crown of Neyth from a museum in Til, this crown actually belongs
to Don as the justified prince of Neyth, but then he is officially
declared dead, and he isn't interested at all in claiming the reign
over this small, boring country.

And this again reminds me of the peacebridge, intending to create a
universe in which peace reigns, and how the vow of the Tilians and
their goals are similar to our goals, but there are tricky turns in
going for this goal.

Quote:

I do swear

To serve Lovequest

With the sharpest edge of my mind, , , , ,With the softest tenderness
of my heart

With the holiest courage of my soul, , , , ,With the last endurance of
my flesh,

With understanding,

Or if necessary, without.

Where I cease to love Creation , , , , ,There I cease to love myself

--The Lovequest Vow of the Tilián

End Quote

Current concerns

Started reading Dreamdeer's (Dolores Nurss) stories about Til (The
Poison Gamble). Made a post this night to her discussion group how I
feel her novella touching what I feel about work and friends on
peacebridge.

I also said I'm sure the story and persons will enter my dreams, and
here we go :)

Conclusion

What is it we (I) need to retrieve from the highest level of WTC?

I think all this ties in with my current feeling helpless or
powerless, subjected to changes at work mainly resulting from economic
crisis, as I understand.

I found ways to creative action, though. If the WTC stands (stood) as
an icon for global economy and turbo capitalism, for economic power in
the hand of a few, it makes sense in my dream there is something
hidden on the highest level, and it is the truth about my own power,
my own ability to reign my life.

Currently I feel overwhelmed with the influence of global economy on
my everyday life, I feel powerless, I feel the dream says I do keep my
own power there, by giving "them" my power, but I can as well claim
it. Though the theft fails in the novella, the impact of trying moved
something. But what? I'm not sure, I have not read through for now. :)

[Dolores J. Nurss]

Fascinating! Reminds me of a mission that I dreamed, involving
"retrieving" files from a tall building in Istislan (a very old
building, built before the invention of Istislan Crystal, and therefore
quite opaque) But in that dream the team consisted of one man and two
women. Later dreams revealed that this had to do with stopping an
organized crime cartel.

I and other people I know have had lots of dreams, in recent years,
about a pending disaster turning out to be a blessing, for those
flexible enough to help create a new way of being. If this were my
dream, I'd see it in that context: "Stealing" but in fact recovering
certain powers currently reserved only for the people of highest
socioeconomic rank. Like maybe the ability to determine my own destiny.

It's not the end of the world if the system fails. We do not eat money,
nor shelter in it, nor wear it. We have learned that we need money to
obtain all these things, but other ways exist. We need to shift our
dependence from the system to other things, and even more so to each
other. At this point we cannot wholly divest ourselves of the need for
money, but we can lighten the burden.

> --The Lovequest Vow of the Tili�n

>
> End Quote
>
>
> Current concerns
>
> Started reading Dreamdeer's (Dolores Nurss) stories about Til (The
> Poison Gamble). Made a post this night to her discussion group how I
> feel her novella touching what I feel about work and friends on
> peacebridge.
>
> I also said I'm sure the story and persons will enter my dreams, and
> here we go :)
>
>
> Conclusion
>
> What is it we (I) need to retrieve from the highest level of WTC?
>
> I think all this ties in with my current feeling helpless or
> powerless, subjected to changes at work mainly resulting from economic
> crisis, as I understand.
>
> I found ways to creative action, though. If the WTC stands (stood) as
> an icon for global economy and turbo capitalism, for economic power in
> the hand of a few, it makes sense in my dream there is something
> hidden on the highest level, and it is the truth about my own power,
> my own ability to reign my life.
>
> Currently I feel overwhelmed with the influence of global economy on
> my everyday life, I feel powerless, I feel the dream says I do keep my
> own power there, by giving "them" my power, but I can as well claim
> it. Though the theft fails in the novella, the impact of trying moved
> something. But what? I'm not sure, I have not read through for now. :)
>

--
Life is beautiful and dangerous--beware! Enjoy!

For those following my writing, I have most recently
posted "Contact", Chapter 28 of
"The Outlaw God", Vol II: "The Tempest of Alroy",
plus dream-notes.

[Ralf Penderak]

I and other people I know have had lots of dreams, in recent years,
> about a pending disaster turning out to be a blessing, for those
> flexible enough to help create a new way of being.

That is another example, and it rings with me, where I think your
dreams and novel are more than fiction. The precognitive flair of your
key dreams ( describing www before internet times, as we know them)
adds to the "more than fiction" argument.

[Dolores J. Nurss]

Now that's an odd thing.  I did once dream that they wanted me to write their stories to make sure that their future doesn't come true.  In effect, sacrificing their very existence by attempting to change the past.

[Ralf Penderak]

I anyway asked myself why the Tiliáns come to you in dreams. Of course I see they match with your personal life and apparently somehow serve your personal needs, but that isn't everything. You set the story in the future, and also in its inner logic it is Novatierre, it is post - Earth. So a warning of things to come? I'll keep that in mind. Reading chapter 20.

2011/12/6 Dolores J. Nurss <drea...@grailmedia.com>

[Ralf Penderak]

Power or Impulse?
07.12.2011

Sitting with some fellows, discussing physics, I say: "Don't you know,
power is mass times velocity?" And then I'm not sure myself, and start
guessing: "Or was it impulse, not power?" I try to visualize the
formula and get more confused and uncertain about what I thought I
knew for sure. And then it is embarrassing on top of it, pretending
knowledge.

General impressions

While I was writing about power of reality creation yesterday on the
peacebridge, thinking this is the precious item kept in the highest
layers of the tower in my dream "Tiliáns in WTC", I feel this may be a
follow up. The dream doesn't say so much about this power, but more
about my arrogance and my ignorance behind it.

It appears I don't know this power at all. I talk about it like it
were something physical (in the sense of Newton's physics).

If this is a way of learning, it is good to lose my illusion of
knowing :)

The sense of company is strong, though, in this dream, and I'm sure my
flaw is taken with a sense of fellowship.

[Dolores J. Nurss]

"

The sense of company is strong, though, in this dream, and I'm sure my

flaw is taken with a sense of fellowship." Then I'm in good company, for how often have I had the same flaw! Perhaps the reason I have a hard time claiming my power is that I don't actually know what it is?

I was churning laundry in a jug-washer today, which gives one time to think. It came to me that here I and many I associate with preach endlessly about promoting the interconnectedness of all beings, when we don't even connect very well with ourselves! I sure don't. The list of ways that we lose connection with ourselves seemed to go on and on.

On 12/7/2011 11:18 AM, Ralf Penderak wrote:
> Power or Impulse?
> 07.12.2011
>
> Sitting with some fellows, discussing physics, I say: "Don't you know,
> power is mass times velocity?" And then I'm not sure myself, and start
> guessing: "Or was it impulse, not power?" I try to visualize the
> formula and get more confused and uncertain about what I thought I
> knew for sure. And then it is embarrassing on top of it, pretending
> knowledge.
>
>
> General impressions
>
> While I was writing about power of reality creation yesterday on the
> peacebridge, thinking this is the precious item kept in the highest

> layers of the tower in my dream "Tili�ns in WTC", I feel this may be a

> follow up. The dream doesn't say so much about this power, but more
> about my arrogance and my ignorance behind it.
>
> It appears I don't know this power at all. I talk about it like it
> were something physical (in the sense of Newton's physics).
>
> If this is a way of learning, it is good to lose my illusion of
> knowing :)
>
> The sense of company is strong, though, in this dream, and I'm sure my
> flaw is taken with a sense of fellowship.
>

[Ralf Penderak]

In my WTC dream my dream ego fears to claim something. This something
my waking ego guesses is power (of reality creation). But do I really
know what it is? At the time, as I said, I rather feel helpless and
frustrated, especially at work. I take up the fight, but I hope nobody
sees me ;)

What you say of laundry is what my mother still did: Spend a whole day
with the laundry of our family, before there were machines. Activities
like these (and I recall myself repairing the plumbing of our loo...)
are humbling, and all the talk of power of reality creation or
interconnectedness of being seems far and vain right in the middle of
prima materia :)))

So we are heroes, Dreamdeer, and we are not perfect, but perfectly
human, I say.

I'm just through with chapter 28 "Interrupted Lessons", and had to
catch breath, walking our dog. But I must go on reading now, just one
more chapter...

On Dec 8, 1:34 am, "Dolores J. Nurss" <dreamd...@grailmedia.com>
wrote: