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zar...@spam_iname.com

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Dec 27, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/27/99
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Has anyone ever sued IMPARK (Imperial Parking Limited)?
Were you successful?
What's your story?

Also...Have YOU ever been SUED by IMPARK?
what's your story?

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Darin

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I Have gotten Impark's Bogus tickets before, The way around
that is send them a cheque for $2.00 or $3.00 for the price
of the parking, then they don't have a leg to stand on, as
they cannot legally fine anyone. if they want to take you to
Court, let them, because evern if a Judge rules in their
favor it is still up to Impark to collect the money from
you, and what are they going to do if you don't pay. If a
Judge rules against you the Judge will only order you to pay
the price of parking, because the people who go out and
write the Impark tickets get paid on commission no Judge
will evern look at that ticket let alone uphold it.

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PMack

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I do belive that if the find you vehicle on thier property they can have it
towed and impounded. So, even if you get of from not paying the parking fines,
I, for one, would not leave my car on thier property as the tow and impound
fees for parking on private property can get a bit high

Phil

Fred Smith

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Dec 27, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/27/99
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Hi!

While I agree that the Impark "Meter Maids" who run around tagging
vehicles can be unreasonable, I have found that if I have a problem
ticket the people at the Impark office downtown are very easy to deal
with. For example, I have had tickets issued when there was a legitimate
parking stub in plain view on the dash and I've had tickets issued when
the parking stub dispenser was empty or damaged. I called in at the
office and the tickets were revoked with no problems. On the other hand,
I have also made a point of phoning the Impark office when I park in a
lot with an empty or dammaged dispenser. This has helped me avoid a
ticket altogether, since they record my truck make and colour and simply
don't ticket it for that day. I don't know whether their tickets will
stand up in court.

Fred

Calvin Lai

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Dec 27, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/27/99
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In article <3866b010...@news1.rdc1.ab.wave.home.com>,
zarnst@SPAM_iname.com says...

Well there are two IMPARK parking lots across the street from each other
by my work place. Their rates are different though. One's $1.25 every 2
hrs or $5 for the whole day. The other one is $1.25 every 30 MINUTES or
$5 for the whole day. Go figure. Yes I found that out the hard way but
IMPARK people at the office were pretty nice about it and ask me to pay
just for the cost of parking for the day....

Calvin Lai
http://members.home.net/ccslai

John Kamchen

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Dec 27, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/27/99
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I had a problem with them early this year.. I parked at a meter on Webb
Place behind Portage Place.
I looked in the little window near the flag for the times the meter was
valid. It was about 7:30pm, winter.
There was no paper about times or prices. I looked on the meter body
itself, and didn't see anything.

I figured if it's not listed, ya don't pay.

Anyways, after the movie, come out, and I've got a ticket. Only THEN do I
see that the parking times and fees are on the meter, but they used a dark
red rub-on lettering, on a dark grey meter body.

With the way the lights were, there was no colour to the letters, and they
blended in with the body of the meter.
Every other meter had the leters in white.

I phones them and said that they didn't do a good job with posting the
information, and that I did try to find something on the meter to go by.

My $14 ticket got reduced to $10, and I paid it.

-John


Barclay McInnes

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Dec 29, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/29/99
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In article <3866b010...@news1.rdc1.ab.wave.home.com>,
zarnst@SPAM_iname.com says...
>
>Has anyone ever sued IMPARK (Imperial Parking Limited)?
>Were you successful?
>What's your story?
>
>Also...Have YOU ever been SUED by IMPARK?
>what's your story?
>

I almost sued Impark over something that happened a couple of years ago. I had
rented a monthly spot at one of their lots and cancelled the contract after I
moved to another lot. Everything was fine until I get a call from my ex-wife
telling me that Impark just billed her Visa (since hers was the one they had on
record when I signed up over a year prior) for the last month (one month after
I cancelled the contract and handed in my parking tag at their Cordova office).
I contacted them, and for the first two weeks they failed to see that they had
done anything wrong. We had Visa cancel the charge, which started a deluge of
demand letters from GimpPark, and after talking with their accounts people on
and off for three or four weeks, everything was straightened out. Then, six
months ago I get a call from them about their damn payment again! I refer the
caller to their accounts VP directly and send her a copy of the fax he sent me
OVER A YEAR AGO saying that everything was squared away to everyone's
satisfaction.
And just last month I find out that they screwed up my credit rating to boot.
I will never give Impark a dime again. I go four blocks out of my way to avoid
parking at one of their lots if I have to.

Gordon Grieder

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Dec 29, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/29/99
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Barclay McInnes wrote:
>
> In article <3866b010...@news1.rdc1.ab.wave.home.com>,
> zarnst@SPAM_iname.com says...
> >
> >Has anyone ever sued IMPARK (Imperial Parking Limited)?
> >Were you successful?
> >What's your story?
> >
> >Also...Have YOU ever been SUED by IMPARK?
> >what's your story?
> >
>

[sad story snipped]

I had an "official" looking parking ticket on my car years ago, I just
tore it up. A while after, the worthless threats in the mail started,
which I also ignored. Many people I know just use slugs in impark machines.

NB to Impark's bank: Make sure you check their deposits for phony
quarters and loonies, they may be trying to "pass the buck", pardon the pun.

Trikky

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Dec 30, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/30/99
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G'day, all! In a recent article, Gordon Grieder (gr...@grub.net) said:

> I had an "official" looking parking ticket on my car years ago, I just
> tore it up. A while after, the worthless threats in the mail started,
> which I also ignored. Many people I know just use slugs in impark machines.

Heh...I've always been amused -- or amazed -- by this. I saw someone
with slugs or foreign coins that pass off in most machines as quarters. For
purely educational purposes, maybe we should start a discussion on what
makes a good slug. :-)


zar...@spam_iname.com

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Dec 30, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/30/99
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I'm not familiar with British coins, but do know someone that brings
back a bag of a certain coin that fits those machines...its only worth
a penny canadian and he gets them by the bag when he visits England.
So apparently they fit quite nicely.

gap...@vcn.bc.ca

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zarnst@SPAM_iname.com wrote:
> Has anyone ever sued IMPARK (Imperial Parking Limited)?
> Were you successful?
>
> Also...Have YOU ever been SUED by IMPARK?

If you've been wronged by Impark, I'd suggest you go ahead and sue them.

If you're merely trying to weasel out of a debt rightfully levied against you
by them, then I'd suggest you go ahead and suck it up and take responsibility
for your error!

Your friend,

<+]::-{(} ("Cyberpope")
(email: gap...@vcn.bc.ca)
(AOL Instant Messenger ID: Cyberpope67)
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In non-essentials, liberty;
in all things, charity. -- Baxter quoting Augustine

hurricane

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Jan 3, 2000, 3:00:00 AM1/3/00
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you can be held liable for damages
next time you get a ticket phone them and ask for a list of physical
damage that you did.
unless you hit somehing you did no damage. A processing fee is not
damage.

they cannot enforce a penalty . A penalty is a punishment and only a
judge can punish you.

Tell them if they mail you another ticket you must charge a 50 dollar
penalty. Tell them it is a processing fee. (They havent yet told me
how they come up with this processing fee) Use their scam against
them.

At best they could have tagged and towed your car at the time of the
incident.
They cannot tow you when you paid for a ticket at the next impark.

dont feel sorry for the cheapskates. They are to cheap to hire a
person to work the gate.

BTW get a new licence plate # when you renew. You have a clean slate
every year

zar...@spam_iname.com

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On 2 Jan 2000 23:22:42 GMT, an...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Jim Garner)
wrote:

<snip>
>
>btw, I bin readin this thread and am mystified. Who are impark and where
>do they operate and how?

IMPARK (Imperial Parking Limited) manages parking lots throughout the
world but most noticeably in North America. They originated in
Vancouver, B.C. in 1962 and were acquired by First Union Management,
Inc, of Cleveland in 1997.

Imperial Parking Limited owns 100% for the following companies:
-Imperial Parking (U.S.) Inc.
Robbins Parking Service Ltd.
Advanced Parking Systems Ltd.
Park-Ur-Self (canada) Ltd.
554506 Alberta Ltd.
Impark Properties.Ltd
City Collection Company Ltd.
Inner-Tec Security Consultants Ltd. (recently sold in Fall/99)
Compupark Systems Corp.
Imperial Parking (asia) Limited

They also have a website at http://www.impark.com

Elodie MONTES

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Jan 5, 2000, 3:00:00 AM1/5/00
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<zarnst@SPAM_iname.com> a écrit dans le message :
3866b010...@news1.rdc1.ab.wave.home.com...

> Has anyone ever sued IMPARK (Imperial Parking Limited)?
> Were you successful?
> What's your story?

>
> Also...Have YOU ever been SUED by IMPARK?

The Mog

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Gordon Grieder wrote:

> [sad story snipped]


>
> I had an "official" looking parking ticket on my car years ago, I just
> tore it up. A while after, the worthless threats in the mail started,
> which I also ignored.

<snip>

I've gotten numerous tickets over the years from Impark and another
parking company whose name escapes me. Almost all of these were due to
the parking attendants either A) not seeing the ticket(s) on the dash or
B) misreading the ticket numbers when they did see them. I've never paid
any of these tickets or paid attention to any of the so-called warning
letters mailed out and have yet to have any stronger action taken
against me.
My take on this is that it's just not worth their while to take someone
to court for not paying a 'ticket' - though I must admit I've always
kept all the tickets along with the dispenser chits just in case :)

The Mog

Mauricio Quintana

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Obtained this from another website .....

Detailing an Imperial
parking pain

CONSUMER alert!

This nasty experience of mine with megasized Imperial
Parking might save North Shore people from the clutches
of
Imperial's grubby little practices.

My youngest son, who is 10, went sailing up the coast
recently
with Wilf and Lynn Burnett and son Stewart.

The arrangement was that he would fly home after eight
or nine
days and the Burnetts would continue northwards for a
couple
of weeks.

All well and good. My wife and I were duly phoned and
were
told that the float plane would deliver him safe in our
arms the
following Saturday afternoon. The carrier was Rainbow
Air.
Scheduled arrival time: 3:30 to 3:45.

But, we were to learn, schedules are pretty loose on the

coastal float plane service. In fact there is a charming

casualness that reminds you that the fun days of
small-plane
flights over B.C.'s lonelier real estate aren't over.

Anyway, we parked the car in the float plane parking
lot, west
of Burrard Street, and bought an hour's worth of space,
thinking that was quite sufficient. The time was stamped
3:03.

No sign, though, for Rainbow Air. It turned out that
Rainbow
docks at Harbor Air's facilities and uses its waiting
room,
where the tiny reservation desk also provides flight
information
for Rainbow.

(No criticism of either Harbor Air or Rainbow here, in
case
you're waiting for it. In fact the small, human scale of
the
operation is delightful, especially compared with major
airports' abhorrent assembly lines that process people
and
pack them into flying tin cans like sardines.)

Well, no need to grind out details. You guessed it. The
plane
didn't materialize between 3:30 and 3:45 as expected.

We watched one plane after another come down with a
satisfying splash and peered at the name on the side and

none was Rainbow.

We made a couple of trips to the desk and were assured
it
was on its way, that it would arrive within 10 or 15
minutes, etc.

My good wife, the Stress Queen, got more and more
uptight.
The "10 or 15 minutes" lengthened. We forgot all about
parking matters.

At last Rainbow's plane came down -- as all airplanes
eventually do, except maybe Amelia Earhart's, which
could still
be up there.

We got back to the car at about 4:40. And there, yes,
was
Imperial's officious parking "ticket," tattooed with
acres of tiny
intimidating print in stern legalese, the bottom line
being that
the "fine" was $55 -- which, graciously, would be
reduced to
$30 if paid "within 72 hours."

Think of it.

How many innocents, unaware that these relatively short
coastal flights are pretty relaxed about time, are
caught in
Imperial's money-spinning machine?

It's late on a Saturday afternoon, few cars on the lot
-- and I
suspect Imperial routinely sends out its sweethearts
knowing it
can wring extra cash from people who run out of time
exactly
as we did.

North Vancouver writer Nicole Parton checked Imperial's
imperious ways in 1991, when a reader was "fined"
because
one of his two receipts atop the dashboard obscured the
time
stamped on the other. Nicole also had her own run-in.
Imperial
quickly scotched the "fine."

Now hear this: Notwithstanding its huffing and puffing,
it's
doubtful if Imperial's "fines" are enforceable in law.

Nicole quoted lawyer Rocke Robertson, a contract law
specialist, who said that Imperial's "collection of
their
self-determined fines is an unsavory and exploitive
business
practice which impacts primarily on the weak and
elderly."

So I'd advise everyone to avoid Imperial. But that's not
easy.
The outfit is an international behemoth.

Yes, I paid my "fine" rather than waste valuable time
arguing.
But I also threw my special, highly secret curse on
Imperial.
That curse is powerful.

Splint

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I've never been sued by IMPARK but I've never paid a ticket by them
either (I have 3!) but I switched addresses and switched car
registration before I got the tickets, and they are STILL sending the
notices to an old address, so I don't have to legaly pay the tickets if
I wasn't aware I was getting them (the only reason I know I ever even
got a ticket, is becasue the guy who lives in my old place is a friend
of mine and brought them over) but they don't know that! hehehe, tricky,
but it's a legal means of not paying my tickets!

Mountain Goat

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A number of years ago a lawyer in Edmonton did sue them after they
took his car to the impound lot. He got his money back plus damages.
It was the usual thing, he ignored one of their phoney (not legally
enforceable) tickets. He parked in one of their lots again some
months later and overstayed again and got towed. The problem of
course is, he does not have to pay a lawyer, you would or pay up. As
much as I can remember (from write ups in the Sun and Journal)the
court said that Impark has no right to seize an asset to which they
have no lien, in order to satisfy a debt (the 'fine' they put on their
signs, plus forcing you to pay the towing company) out of proportion
to the actual liability (paying for the amount you overstay) The court
held that you were liable only for the maximum payment for a whole
day's parking in that lot. I think the highest I have seen in
Edmonton is $7.00, anyone who has seen higher is welcome to correct
me. Anyone else remember the details better or have a copy of the
story ?

mani...@home.com

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On Wed, 05 Jan 2000 22:10:00 -0700, Mountain Goat
<rmg...@powersurfr.com> wrote:

>A number of years ago a lawyer in Edmonton did sue them after they

I wouldn't get too brave...they might be seizing the car under a
Provincial statute that Manitoba has in effect that Alberta doesn't...

Garage Keepers Act, Mechanics Lien Act or whatever is on the books...


zar...@spam_iname.com

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On Wed, 05 Jan 2000 22:10:00 -0700, Mountain Goat
<snip>

<>zarnst@SPAM_iname.com wrote:
>>>
>>> Has anyone ever sued IMPARK (Imperial Parking Limited)?
>>> Were you successful?
>>> What's your story?
>>>
>>> Also...Have YOU ever been SUED by IMPARK?
>>> what's your story?
>
>A number of years ago a lawyer in Edmonton did sue them after they
>took his car to the impound lot. He got his money back plus damages.
>It was the usual thing, he ignored one of their phoney (not legally
>enforceable) tickets. He parked in one of their lots again some
>months later and overstayed again and got towed. The problem of
>course is, he does not have to pay a lawyer, you would or pay up. As
>much as I can remember (from write ups in the Sun and Journal)the
>court said that Impark has no right to seize an asset to which they
>have no lien, in order to satisfy a debt (the 'fine' they put on their
>signs, plus forcing you to pay the towing company) out of proportion
>to the actual liability (paying for the amount you overstay) The court
>held that you were liable only for the maximum payment for a whole
>day's parking in that lot. I think the highest I have seen in
>Edmonton is $7.00, anyone who has seen higher is welcome to correct
>me. Anyone else remember the details better or have a copy of the
>story ?
>
Anyone know the details of the following cases where IMPARK (Imperial
parking Ltd) sued the following people?:

(Damages) IMPERIAL PARKING LTD. vs YOUNG, MARTI
(Damages) IMPERIAL PARKING LTD. vs FRANCIS, LEELAMMA (Dec 17, 1996
(Damages) IMPERIAL PARKING LTD. vs KURJI, ABDUL (Jan.25,1996)
(Damages) IMPERIAL PARKING LTD. vs PAYNE, SUSAN
(Damages) IMPERIAL PARKING LTD. vs HOLMES, JOANNE
(Damages) IMPERIAL PARKING LTD. vs CORLETT, BARBARA (Feb.11,1999)
(Damages) IMPERIAL PARKING LTD. vs JOHNSON, ROBERT
IMPERIAL PARKING LTD. vs WONG, HENRY & MARY
(Damages) IMPERIAL PARKING LTD. vs LLOYD, TIMOTHY ROSS (Apr.29,1999)
(Damages) IMPERIAL PARKING LTD. vs PAPROSKI, DOUGLAS STRACHAN, SUSAN
(Damages) IMPERIAL PARKING LTD. vs
Jun29-99 IMPERIAL PARKING LTD. vs SOLOMAN, HANITA

Mountain Goat

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On Thu, 06 Jan 2000 05:24:25 GMT, mani...@home.com wrote:

>On Wed, 05 Jan 2000 22:10:00 -0700, Mountain Goat
><rmg...@powersurfr.com> wrote:
>
>>A number of years ago a lawyer in Edmonton did sue them after they
>

>I wouldn't get too brave...they might be seizing the car under a
>Provincial statute that Manitoba has in effect that Alberta doesn't...
>
>Garage Keepers Act, Mechanics Lien Act or whatever is on the books...

Could be, this is civil law so the acts do vary from province to
province. I think the justification they were using in Alberta was
trespassing, since your vehicle is there without paying, since you are
there longer than you have paid for. Also the provinces do change
laws from time to time and in Alberta when would they change it to
favour the consumer? Besides I did say the lawyer does not have to
pay himself his hourly rate. It's cheaper for you to pay the
blackmail than sue even if you are in the right.

hurricane

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On Thu, 06 Jan 2000 23:53:07 GMT, zarnst@SPAM_iname.com wrote:

>On Wed, 05 Jan 2000 22:10:00 -0700, Mountain Goat

><snip>
><>zarnst@SPAM_iname.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Has anyone ever sued IMPARK (Imperial Parking Limited)?
>>>> Were you successful?
>>>> What's your story?
>>>>
>>>> Also...Have YOU ever been SUED by IMPARK?
>>>> what's your story?
>>

>>A number of years ago a lawyer in Edmonton did sue them after they


ever figure out how much impark would loose by taking there tickets to
court.
it would be small claims court and would cost them more to pay someone
to sue for a 50 dollar ticket
at best they could only get a days parking because that is the only
damage.

every impark ticket I had I phoned them and advised them that any more

letters from them claiming I owed them money would be considered
harrasment and forwarded to the police. Either take me to court or
dont bother me .
I am still waiting for a summons . Its been a few years now. No more
letters came after I warned them.

Mountain Goat

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Just don't ever get in a position where you overstay your ticket in
their lot a second time. They will tow you & not release your car
from the towing compound till you pay them and the towing company.
this is a case of 'might makes right'. It simply costs too much to
fight them legally even if you are right , this is what they count on.

hurricane

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On Thu, 06 Jan 2000 23:24:13 -0700, Mountain Goat
<rmg...@powersurfr.com> wrote:

>On Thu, 06 Jan 2000 05:24:25 GMT, mani...@home.com wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 05 Jan 2000 22:10:00 -0700, Mountain Goat
>><rmg...@powersurfr.com> wrote:
>>
>>>A number of years ago a lawyer in Edmonton did sue them after they
>>

>>I wouldn't get too brave...they might be seizing the car under a
>>Provincial statute that Manitoba has in effect that Alberta doesn't...
>>
>>Garage Keepers Act, Mechanics Lien Act or whatever is on the books...
>
>Could be, this is civil law so the acts do vary from province to
>province. I think the justification they were using in Alberta was
>trespassing, since your vehicle is there without paying, since you are
>there longer than you have paid for. Also the provinces do change
>laws from time to time and in Alberta when would they change it to
>favour the consumer? Besides I did say the lawyer does not have to
>pay himself his hourly rate. It's cheaper for you to pay the
>blackmail than sue even if you are in the right.
>
>

If I parked in your driveway at best you could have me tagged and
towed. You can hang as many signs saying I owe you my first born for
parkin here but it wont get you anything ... you do not have the rite
to punish me.
The same with impark, they can phone the cops ,give me a parking
ticket and tow my car. Thats all.
they cant collect without a win in court so it cannot be placed
againts your credit rating until they prove their case in court.


as for egal fees ..... under 2000 dollars is small claims . win or
loose you cannot claim costs ... even if they won{haha} they are
responsable for paying their lawyer.

gas and hydro are operated by the municipality and governmet
so they can charge a late penality. Civil companies cannot.
I wonder if atco gas charges a late penalty and if they are truly
private does anyone know?

foamy

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In article <38769763...@news.mortimer.com>,
hurricane @ ezpost.com wrote:

>If I parked in your driveway at best you could have me tagged and
>towed. You can hang as many signs saying I owe you my first born for
>parkin here but it wont get you anything ... you do not have the rite
>to punish me.

Sorry, terrible example. Your driveway [ private non-commercial
property ] is in no way analogous to Impark lots.


>The same with impark, they can phone the cops ,give me a parking
>ticket and tow my car.

Without studying the regulations specific to this situation, I would
say this is also wrong. The matter of anyone parking on an Impark
lot, surrounded by any dispute as to whether or not the appropriate
fee has been paid, is a civil matter, and the police would not be
authorized to issue a ticket, or instruct the car be towed.

Jim


hurricane

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On Fri, 07 Jan 2000 21:13:05 -0700, Mountain Goat
<rmg...@powersurfr.com> wrote:

>On Fri, 07 Jan 2000 05:45:35 GMT, hurricane @ ezpost.com wrote:
>

>>On Thu, 06 Jan 2000 23:53:07 GMT, zarnst@SPAM_iname.com wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 05 Jan 2000 22:10:00 -0700, Mountain Goat

>>><snip>
>>><>zarnst@SPAM_iname.com wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Has anyone ever sued IMPARK (Imperial Parking Limited)?
>>>>>> Were you successful?
>>>>>> What's your story?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also...Have YOU ever been SUED by IMPARK?
>>>>>> what's your story?
>>>>

>>>>A number of years ago a lawyer in Edmonton did sue them after they

Just pay the impound fee
the police must tow it otherwise charge them for theft of your car

mani...@home.com

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On Sat, 08 Jan 2000 23:34:31 GMT, fo...@intouch.bc.ca (foamy) wrote:

>
>Without studying the regulations specific to this situation, I would
>say this is also wrong. The matter of anyone parking on an Impark
>lot, surrounded by any dispute as to whether or not the appropriate
>fee has been paid, is a civil matter, and the police would not be
>authorized to issue a ticket, or instruct the car be towed.

Don't know about Alberta, but in Manitoba the Police can issue a
ticket for parking on private property...such as parking in
handicapped zones in a shopping mall...not to mention that some
security outfits have their staff sworn in a peace officers...such as
Commisionares. The highway traffic Act of each province governs...


mani...@home.com

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On Sat, 08 Jan 2000 02:05:03 GMT, hurricane @ ezpost.com wrote:


>If I parked in your driveway at best you could have me tagged and
>towed. You can hang as many signs saying I owe you my first born for
>parkin here but it wont get you anything ... you do not have the rite
>to punish me.

>The same with impark, they can phone the cops ,give me a parking

>ticket and tow my car. Thats all.
>they cant collect without a win in court so it cannot be placed
>againts your credit rating until they prove their case in court.

DOH...if they have your car towed and locked in a compound, and you
can't get it without putting down some cash for the towing and
storage, I'd say they won...

> as for egal fees ..... under 2000 dollars is small claims . win or
>loose you cannot claim costs ... even if they won{haha} they are
>responsable for paying their lawyer.

People don't use a lawyer in small claims court...the practice is
frowned upon. Court costs can be awarded...thats the fee's for filing,
witnesses, etc.The ceiling amount for a small claims court varies from
province to province. Small claims court judgements can be appealed,
and it'll cost you a shitload of money to collect a judgement from
them even if you won since you're responsible for collecting...not the
small claims court.

Since IMPARK no doubt has a firm on retainer, if not their own in
house, you might end up shelling out for a lawyer, loosing, or taking
a chance on a default judgement against you when they escalate it.

>gas and hydro are operated by the municipality and governmet
>so they can charge a late penality. Civil companies cannot.

Late penalities is a cute term for interest..something the corporate
world charges all the time.

J. Chapman

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In article <3877d71d.327223904@news>, mani...@home.com says...

>
> People don't use a lawyer in small claims court...the practice is
> frowned upon. Court costs can be awarded...thats the fee's for filing,
> witnesses, etc.The ceiling amount for a small claims court varies from
> province to province. Small claims court judgements can be appealed,
> and it'll cost you a shitload of money to collect a judgement from
> them even if you won since you're responsible for collecting...not the
> small claims court.

Actually it is very easy to collect on a judgement. You can get
the sheriff's office to seize their property to satisfy the
judgement; if it is an individual you can get a court order to
garnishee their wages and you just have it delivered to their
employer. I've done this - not hard at all.

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On Sun, 09 Jan 2000 01:56:57 GMT, J. Chapman <no...@nospam.org> wrote:

>Actually it is very easy to collect on a judgement.
>You can get the sheriff's office to seize their property to satisfy the
>judgement; if it is an individual you can get a court order to
>garnishee their wages and you just have it delivered to their
>employer.

I guess it depends on your definition of easy. The party awarded the
judgement is responsible for collecting...not small claims court.
The use of public and private bailiffs varies from province to
province as does the enforcement process for property seizure, and
garnishee to satisfy a judgement. You can accomplish anything you want
if you have the time, money, and know the process, and want to spend
your free time at the court offices.

>I've done this - not hard at all.

Sooner or later you'll run into someone that also knows the process,
has the time and the money, and will put you through the hoops if you
want to try and sue them in small claims court, and will put you
through another set of hoops when and if you try and collect.
In most provinces the quickest way to screw someone who's filed in
small claims court is to counterfile in Court of Queens Bench.


J. Chapman

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In article <3878248a.347048354@news>, mani...@home.com says...

> On Sun, 09 Jan 2000 01:56:57 GMT, J. Chapman <no...@nospam.org> wrote:
>
> >Actually it is very easy to collect on a judgement.
> >You can get the sheriff's office to seize their property to satisfy the
> >judgement; if it is an individual you can get a court order to
> >garnishee their wages and you just have it delivered to their
> >employer.
>
> I guess it depends on your definition of easy. The party awarded the
> judgement is responsible for collecting...not small claims court.
> The use of public and private bailiffs varies from province to
> province as does the enforcement process for property seizure, and
> garnishee to satisfy a judgement. You can accomplish anything you want
> if you have the time, money, and know the process, and want to spend
> your free time at the court offices.

Once you have the judgement it takes less than 30 minutes to get a
garnisheeing order (if you know the employer of the person you sued).
You then (are required to) get someone to serve the order, which last
time I checked was $25. End of process - the government then requires
the employer to submit the money to the government and you get it
from the government automatically.

Mountain Goat

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Commissionaires and other private security are NOT peace officers,
with some exceptions such as Railway Police (CN and CP anyway). To
issue parking tickets on posted private property only requires you to
be a bylaw enforcement officer (in Edmonton anyway) these are in fact
the same tickets the City of Edmonton issues under Bylaw 5590 for
other parking offences. The Impark tickets are not 'City of Edmonton'
issued under a bylaw so they are not legally enforceable through
traffic court. Further their staff are not sworn as Bylaw enforcement
officers. Their 'tickets' are only enforceable through civil law. I
was a sworn bylaw enforcement officer so I could issue 'City of
Edmonton' tickets under Bylaw 5590 for our condo association.

hurricane

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On Sat, 08 Jan 2000 23:34:31 GMT, fo...@intouch.bc.ca (foamy) wrote:

>In article <38769763...@news.mortimer.com>,


> hurricane @ ezpost.com wrote:
>
>>If I parked in your driveway at best you could have me tagged and
>>towed. You can hang as many signs saying I owe you my first born for
>>parkin here but it wont get you anything ... you do not have the rite
>>to punish me.
>

>Sorry, terrible example. Your driveway [ private non-commercial
>property ] is in no way analogous to Impark lots.
>
>

>>The same with impark, they can phone the cops ,give me a parking
>>ticket and tow my car.
>

>Without studying the regulations specific to this situation, I would
>say this is also wrong. The matter of anyone parking on an Impark
>lot, surrounded by any dispute as to whether or not the appropriate
>fee has been paid, is a civil matter, and the police would not be
>authorized to issue a ticket, or instruct the car be towed.
>

>Jim
>

police would remove your car and charge you with the appropriate
parking ticket.

Just like you parking at my appartment parking spot.
I phone the police, a ticket is issued and car is towed to impound.

Ray J

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actually if you parked in my driveway I'd strip your car and sell it
before you got back then deny ever seeing your illegally parked car.

:)

Ray

hurricane, @, ezpost.com wrote:
>
> On Thu, 06 Jan 2000 23:24:13 -0700, Mountain Goat
> <rmg...@powersurfr.com> wrote:


>
> >On Thu, 06 Jan 2000 05:24:25 GMT, mani...@home.com wrote:
> >
> >>On Wed, 05 Jan 2000 22:10:00 -0700, Mountain Goat
> >><rmg...@powersurfr.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>>A number of years ago a lawyer in Edmonton did sue them after they
> >>

> >>I wouldn't get too brave...they might be seizing the car under a
> >>Provincial statute that Manitoba has in effect that Alberta doesn't...
> >>
> >>Garage Keepers Act, Mechanics Lien Act or whatever is on the books...
> >
> >Could be, this is civil law so the acts do vary from province to
> >province. I think the justification they were using in Alberta was
> >trespassing, since your vehicle is there without paying, since you are
> >there longer than you have paid for. Also the provinces do change
> >laws from time to time and in Alberta when would they change it to
> >favour the consumer? Besides I did say the lawyer does not have to
> >pay himself his hourly rate. It's cheaper for you to pay the
> >blackmail than sue even if you are in the right.
> >
> >

> If I parked in your driveway at best you could have me tagged and
> towed. You can hang as many signs saying I owe you my first born for
> parkin here but it wont get you anything ... you do not have the rite
> to punish me.

> The same with impark, they can phone the cops ,give me a parking

> ticket and tow my car. Thats all.
> they cant collect without a win in court so it cannot be placed
> againts your credit rating until they prove their case in court.
>

> as for egal fees ..... under 2000 dollars is small claims . win or
> loose you cannot claim costs ... even if they won{haha} they are
> responsable for paying their lawyer.
>

> gas and hydro are operated by the municipality and governmet
> so they can charge a late penality. Civil companies cannot.

> I wonder if atco gas charges a late penalty and if they are truly
> private does anyone know?

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Here you go - a Quebec company

gap...@vcn.bc.ca wrote in message ...


>zarnst@SPAM_iname.com wrote:
>> Has anyone ever sued IMPARK (Imperial Parking Limited)?
>> Were you successful?
>>

>> Also...Have YOU ever been SUED by IMPARK?
>

>If you've been wronged by Impark, I'd suggest you go ahead and sue them.
>

>If you're merely trying to weasel out of a debt rightfully levied against
you

Wladyslawa Fitt

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http://move.to/openhouse
And visit the ZDTV website at
http://www.zdtv.com
http://www.zdtv.com/getzdtv
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<hurricane @ ezpost.com> wrote in message
news:38780d98....@news.mortimer.com...


> On Sat, 08 Jan 2000 23:34:31 GMT, fo...@intouch.bc.ca (foamy) wrote:
>
> >In article <38769763...@news.mortimer.com>,
> > hurricane @ ezpost.com wrote:
> >

> >>If I parked in your driveway at best you could have me tagged and
> >>towed. You can hang as many signs saying I owe you my first born for
> >>parkin here but it wont get you anything ... you do not have the rite
> >>to punish me.
> >

> >Sorry, terrible example. Your driveway [ private non-commercial
> >property ] is in no way analogous to Impark lots.
> >
> >

> >>The same with impark, they can phone the cops ,give me a parking
> >>ticket and tow my car.
> >

John Fleming

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Wladyslawa Fitt <andre...@ameritech.net> wrote in message
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> --
> Please visit my website
> http://move.to/openhouse
> And visit the ZDTV website at
> http://www.zdtv.com
> http://www.zdtv.com/getzdtv
> http://www.cityofchicago.org

Why?

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What do you mean "here you go"? I didn't see you post anything about any
Quebec company. . .

Your friend,

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