Getting Rid of the 2 Most Annoying Pepole in Winnipeg
MLD
Ye Ha Peter Warren and the Mayor are leaving, hmm around the same time, hmm
sounds like something might be going on here :-)
Clarke Bellamy
> Ye Ha Peter Warren and the Mayor are leaving, hmm around the same time, hmm
> sounds like something might be going on here :-)
Heh heh, Warren's departure even made news out here in Calgary. I heard it
this morning. Apparently he's moving to Victoria to write a book and produce a
movie?
I didn't know "Suzi" was leaving. Where's she off to???
------------------------------------------------------------------------
http://www.winnipeg.freenet.mb.ca/~tip217
Glen Hallick
MLD wrote:
>
> Ye Ha Peter Warren and the Mayor are leaving, hmm around the same time, hmm
> sounds like something might be going on here :-)
Peter Warren leaving? I haven't anything about that. Perhaps he's only
going away on holidays.
I think Warren will be become more and more unbearable as the next
provincial election nears. On any given day his strong Conservative bias
is ridiculous, but I think he'll be freely stooping to silly rhetoric as
Filmon (or his replacement) gets ready to call the election. About the
only other person I think of that's more of jackass than Warren has to
be Vic Grant.
As for Mayor Thompson...don't let the door hit you in the arse on your
way out. The crowning achievement of her reign as Queen Suzie is the
systematic dismantling of democracy at City Hall.
I think it's absurd that her Executive Committee also makes up the
majority of council. The loss of democracy was carefully hidden in the
"great glory" of reducing the size of council.
Other than that, the other achievement of can think of was the erection
of signs outside the city saying how great Winnipeg is.
Glen
Andrew J. Toms
Peter warren is history as reported in the Winnipeg Free press this morning
he won't be renewing his contract. I guess 'OB couldn't stand the heat they
were getting from 1290 Talk :)
Glen Hallick wrote in message <354347...@escape.ca>...
Lloyd Nevins
On Sun, 26 Apr 1998, Glen Hallick wrote:
>
> Other than that, the other achievement of can think of was the erection
> of signs outside the city saying how great Winnipeg is.
>
True, but "One Great City" beats "City of Champignons" anytime
(Edmonton's motto with slight modification).
Glen Hallick
Andrew J. Toms wrote:
>
> Peter warren is history as reported in the Winnipeg Free press this morning
> he won't be renewing his contract. I guess 'OB couldn't stand the heat they
> were getting from 1290 Talk :)
I just got the WFP, and on page A2 there ir is, Warren is gone come the
end of the year. GOOD!
While Warren did delve into doing some good causes for the most part he
was merely an unaccountable sounding board for the Conservatives. He
dispised anyone that had a higher education than him. He hated anyone
that dared to disagree with him.
Over the last few years I have rarely listened to the sod, so I won't
miss him.
One question though about 1290. I understand that Gerald Fast has been
moved to afternoons and that the Dr. Laura sex show is on in the
mornings. If 1290 is supposed to be doing such as good job in taking
away ratings from OB, then why has it's #1 voice been moved?
So just will replace Warren? OB's on-air bully Vic Grant? 1290's
pseudo-fascist talk show host John Collison?
Glen
Glen Hallick
Clarke Bellamy wrote:
>
> > Ye Ha Peter Warren and the Mayor are leaving, hmm around the same time, hmm
> > sounds like something might be going on here :-)
>
> this morning. Apparently he's moving to Victoria to write a book and produce a
> movie?
>
> I didn't know "Suzi" was leaving. Where's she off to???
>
There was talk Prime Minister Chretien was going to appoint her Consul
General in Minneapolis, but that has since been apparently kaboshed. I'm
sure her feverent support for the Liberals during the Flood of the
Century will earn her a patronage appointment. I think there might be a
Senate seat opening soon for Manitoba.
Yvon Dumont's extended term as Leftenant Governor is up this spring.
Perhaps she'll get that, but I suspect it will be going to former MP Jon
Gerrard. He was supposed to be running for the Manitoba Liberal
Leadership but the establishment has instead recruited Chief Gerry
Fontaine (nephew to Phil Fontaine).
Glen
Norman Gall
>Yvon Dumont's extended term as Leftenant Governor is up this spring.
>Perhaps she'll get that, but I suspect it will be going to former MP Jon
>Gerrard.
*I* should be appointed LG. I know a great deal about the office,
constitutional law, and I have the will to use the little power the office
actually has to enable HM to fulfill her oath to the people of Manitoba.
*I* would have refused to give Royal Assent to the MTS bill. It simply
wasn't passed according to the rules of the Legislature, so the people of
Manitoba did not assent to it. How can the Crown, in good conscience,
assent to a bill it cannot confirm was assented to by the People?
And that's the reason another Filmon drinking buddy will be appointed and
not me.
Norm Gall
--
"A man cannot be too careful in his choice of enemies." Oscar Wilde
Lloyd Nevins
On Sun, 26 Apr 1998, Norman Gall wrote:
>
> *I* should be appointed LG. I know a great deal about the office,
> constitutional law, and I have the will to use the little power the office
> actually has to enable HM to fulfill her oath to the people of Manitoba.
>
Well you certainly have the Gall... but your unsatiable quest for
power seems profound. I see you reeling on your throne like Richard II.
Or worse yet, Manitoba's answer to Caligula...
Norman Gall
In article
<Pine.SV4.3.91.980426...@winnie.freenet.mb.ca>, Lloyd
Nevins <kpp...@freenet.mb.ca> wrote:
>Well you certainly have the Gall... but your unsatiable quest for
>power seems profound. I see you reeling on your throne like Richard II.
heh heh...
>Or worse yet, Manitoba's answer to Caligula...
*Worse*!??
Oh, you're worried I won't invite you... don't worry; all ex-pat
Manitobans would be welcome...
Norm Gall
--
" On an occasion of this kind it becomes more than a moral duty
to speak one's mind. It becomes a pleasure." Oscar Wilde
nev...@*anti-klik*freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
On Sun, 26 Apr 1998 13:32:01 GMT, "MLD" <Los...@rus.com> wrote:
>Ye Ha Peter Warren and the Mayor are leaving, hmm around the same time, hmm
>sounds like something might be going on here :-)
>
Are they moving her Lardship via semi with a big D on the front?
Glen Hallick
Norman Gall wrote:
>
> In article <35436F...@escape.ca>, Glen Hallick <ghal...@escape.ca> wrote:
>
> >Yvon Dumont's extended term as Leftenant Governor is up this spring.
> >Perhaps she'll get that, but I suspect it will be going to former MP Jon
> >Gerrard.
>
> constitutional law, and I have the will to use the little power the office
> actually has to enable HM to fulfill her oath to the people of Manitoba.
>
> wasn't passed according to the rules of the Legislature, so the people of
> Manitoba did not assent to it. How can the Crown, in good conscience,
> assent to a bill it cannot confirm was assented to by the People?
>
> And that's the reason another Filmon drinking buddy will be appointed and
> not me.
There's a tradition in Manitoba that I need to make you aware of, that
being the person that wants the jobs usually doesn't get it. The most
recent example being former Manitoba PC leader Sid Spivak. He was the
favourite to get the job, but Mulroney appointed Dumont instead.
I doubt that a good Filmon team member will get the appointment. It will
go to a Liberal as the feds, specifically the PM, makes the appointment.
There's no doubt the MTS bill was passed under most dubious
circumstances.
While Filmon argued that the Legislautre was operating under a new set
of rules and so no other rulings applied, he was lying. When Speaker
Dacquay made her ruling, and I have read it, it heavily relied on the
rulings of the speaker of the H of C during the pipeline debate of the
mid 1950's.
I think that if Denis Rocan had been speaker that shit pulled by Filmon
and company would have been stopped dead in its tracks. That's why
Filmon made Dacquay speaker.
But tories being tories, I'm disappointed that a very well respected
like Rocan did not speak out.
Glen
Bartley Kives
In article <ilI01.48$Kd4.1...@typhoon.mbnet.mb.ca> "Andrew J. Toms" <ajtoms@*NOSPAM*escape.ca> writes:
>From: "Andrew J. Toms" <ajtoms@*NOSPAM*escape.ca>
>Subject: Re: Getting Rid of the 2 Most Annoying Pepole in Winnipeg
>Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 15:25:02 GMT
>Peter warren is history as reported in the Winnipeg Free press this morning
>he won't be renewing his contract. I guess 'OB couldn't stand the heat they
>were getting from 1290 Talk :)
That would be The Sun, Andrew.
And just for your info -- 'OB has about 19 per cent of Winnipeg's
listenership, according to the last BBM report. 1290 has 1.9 per cent.
Methinks that's not much of a threat.
Regards,
bart
Andrew J. Toms
Actually the story I read was in Sunday's Press I stopped reading the Sun
the day they stopped including the Sun Girl's (IMHO they were the only thing
interesting in the Sun I shall now zip up my flame proof Clothing ;>)
as for 1290 over 'OB I prefer Gerald Fast over Warren any day.
Bartley Kives wrote in message ...
Don Bayomi
other long lost winnipeggers?
I'd like an update on well known peggers' who flew the coop years ago.
1. hunky bill (the perogee maker)
2. Crash test dummies (are they still living in london?)
3. Terry Balkan and Brother Lou
4. The CKY tv people...Shelly Swirski,
5. Chip and Pepper (they had a kids show a few years back..then ??)
6. Burt Cummings- did he ever have kids? Hes been married 20 years?
Others, who were well known..Lew Miles (Las Vegas)...
Please add some more names,
--
Feel free to ad updates on any Wpg topics
- the status of all of our River boats (is Lord Selkirk permanent
landlock.. and will it only come out if it gets on board casino)
- Prairie Dog train- is it good idea to start at the Mcphillips casino?
----
FLOOD:
Hate to say it...but this was a pretty damn boring spring. Last spring
had alot of excitement. Even though I hurt my shoulder sand bagging, it
was good to see peggers united on a cause.
Hopefully, Portage ave will get those outdorr cafes...I will sit there
--computer expo on the weekend
Ed Yourdon is in town inMay for lecture ($900) ...ouch
Walter Krawec
Glen Hallick wrote:
>
> Now I'm not anti-Quebec or anti-Ontario, but there was no doubt in my
> mind that if the flood had been taking place in either of those
> provinces the election would have put off for several months. Liberal
> politicians...they all belong underneath the whale shit at the bottom of
> the ocean floor. Especially scumbags like Lord Axworthy.
>
Does this mean the NDP is in favour of landmine use and an isolationist
policy towards Cuba ??
Walter,
who thinks Glen has been watching a wee bit too much American politics
on TV.
--
-------------------------------------------------------------
Walter M. Krawec
University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, MB
umkr...@cc.umanitoba.ca
Grand Lancaster of Manitobah, Lords of the J5V
----------WINNIPEG - HOME OF THE 1998 GREY CUP GAME----------
cam and or nenette remove trailing 666
On Sun, 26 Apr 1998 15:11:35 GMT, Clarke Bellamy
<tip...@freenet.mb.ca> added to the entropy with:
>
>I didn't know "Suzi" was leaving. Where's she off to???
NASA needs her in a different location so they can gravitationally
adjust the moon's orbit a bit.
Glen Hallick
Don Bayomi wrote:
>
> other long lost winnipeggers?
>
> I'd like an update on well known peggers' who flew the coop years ago.
>
> 1. hunky bill (the perogee maker)
> 2. Crash test dummies (are they still living in london?)
> 3. Terry Balkan and Brother Lou
It seems to me they left the 'Peg to get away from the mob. I do beleive
that they broke one of Brother Lou's legs and beaten the crap out of
Balkan.
> 4. The CKY tv people...Shelly Swirski,
> 5. Chip and Pepper (they had a kids show a few years back..then ??)
Talk about a quick rise and even a quicker crash.
> 6. Burt Cummings- did he ever have kids? Hes been married 20 years?
Ask "American Woman".
>
> Others, who were well known..Lew Miles (Las Vegas)...
>
Monty Hall, David Steinberg, Neil Young (a brief temporary resident),
and literally thousands of other people.
What do they all have in common? The feeling that Winnipeg is a great
place to be from.
>
> --
> Feel free to ad updates on any Wpg topics
>
> - the status of all of our River boats (is Lord Selkirk permanent
> landlock.. and will it only come out if it gets on board casino)
>
> - Prairie Dog train- is it good idea to start at the Mcphillips casino?
>
There's enough GD gambling in this province. I most certainly hope that
none of the river boats become floating casinos of the Tory mismanagers.
> ----
> FLOOD:
> Hate to say it...but this was a pretty damn boring spring. Last spring
> had alot of excitement. Even though I hurt my shoulder sand bagging, it
> was good to see peggers united on a cause.
I can remember standing in 6 inches of mud with ice underneath trying to
stack sandbags to form a dike at the neighbours. That freakin' bastard
of an SOB Chretien had the nerve to call the federal election.
Now I'm not anti-Quebec or anti-Ontario, but there was no doubt in my
mind that if the flood had been taking place in either of those
provinces the election would have put off for several months. Liberal
politicians...they all belong underneath the whale shit at the bottom of
the ocean floor. Especially scumbags like Lord Axworthy.
> Hopefully, Portage ave will get those outdorr cafes...I will sit there
>
Then people can sit and watch the drivers of the passing cars play
pothole bingo.
> --computer expo on the weekend
> Ed Yourdon is in town inMay for lecture ($900) ...ouch
What is a Yourdon? Sounds like some kind of freak.
Glen
gut
Don Bayomi wrote:
>
> other long lost winnipeggers?
>
> I'd like an update on well known peggers'
>
Not really sure...but rumor has it he is retired in Brandon.
> 2. Crash test dummies (are they still living in london?)
Yep, and have become part of the squeege sceene.
> 3. Terry Balkan and Brother Lou
Had better belong gone, they owe big money to big people.
> 4. The CKY tv people...Shelly Swirski,
who
> 5. Chip and Pepper (they had a kids show a few years back..then ??)
Last seen on a golf course ( cotton wood ) doing coke in the
bushes.......and so went the clothing empire.
> 6. Burt Cummings- did he ever have kids? Hes been married 20 years?
Don't know , but still a jerk, guarenteed.
> Please add some more names,]
Chad Allen?
Kiddo the klown?
The old dutch auctiuon show on cky? Hell I have zillions of points
now!!!
ICQ # 833152
add the "beer"
to get me by e-mail
Glen Hallick
Walter Krawec wrote:
>
> Glen Hallick wrote:
> >
> > Now I'm not anti-Quebec or anti-Ontario, but there was no doubt in my
> > mind that if the flood had been taking place in either of those
> > provinces the election would have put off for several months. Liberal
> > politicians...they all belong underneath the whale shit at the bottom of
> > the ocean floor. Especially scumbags like Lord Axworthy.
> >
>
> policy towards Cuba ??
Wally, let's get one thing straight here and now. What I chose to post
here has nothing to do with the NDP. When I write a post it consists of
what are my opinions, not those of NDP.
While you raise the subject of Liberal policy, let's take a look at Lord
Axworthy's accomplishments at international duplicity.
While Axworthy is basking in the glow shining from the glory of the
treaty on personnel landmines, he is actively strenghtening relations
with some the worlds most disgusting characters. For instance, the
GENOCIDAL MANIAC running Indonesia.
I can still remember Lord Axworthy in his opposition days making a huge
case out of how the Mulroney regime cut UIC payments from 65% of what a
person made to 55%. Now what happened when this supposedly left-wing
Liberal was Human Resources Minister. Lord Axworthy in his hypocrisy cut
payments to 50% and made it extremely difficult for workers to collect.
Come to think of it, I can still remember the Liberals rallying to cause
of defeating the Can-US FTA. The fight of their lives. Now in typical
Liberal duplicity they have further entrenched this country into more
unfair trade deals.
Reading the Red Book from the 93 campaign it reminded me of many NDP
policies and a few Tory ones for that fine Liberal balance of duplicity.
I agreed with the Red Book that the best way to solve the deficit
problem was through job creation and not massive spending cuts to social
programs. Yet "in the progress of a people" Paul Martin (the one that
makes sure his company doesn't pay its taxes owed to the Canadian
government) perhaps achieved the greatest Liberal flip-flop since
Mackenzie-King was spinning the line "conscription if necessary, but not
necessarily conscription".
>
> Walter,
> who thinks Glen has been watching a wee bit too much American politics
> on TV.
>
American TV? Hell I find their news to be vile and repulsive psycho
babble suffering from a massive intelligence deficit. I've had Skycable
since last August and I have yet to watch an American newscast
Now if you direct me to the nearest football website I shall continue
this tirade against a certain 16 year old punk shithead named Colin. In
the words of my all time favourite wrestler, "ratta-tat-tat,
ratta-tat-tat!"
Glen
Opus-
On Tue, 28 Apr 1998 00:39:38 GMT, Glen Hallick <ghal...@escape.ca>
wrote:
>Monty Hall, David Steinberg, Neil Young (a brief temporary resident),
>and literally thousands of other people.
>
>What do they all have in common? The feeling that Winnipeg is a great
>place to be from.
And yet I turn down a 60% wage increase in Richmond BC to stay here.
Somebody give my head a shake.
--
Opus-
jbuchy AT videonwave.com
"I am Bill Gates of Borg. You will be assimilated.
Resistance is fut -GENERAL PROTECTION FAULT in BORG.EXE-"
Lloyd Nevins
On Mon, 27 Apr 1998, Don Bayomi wrote:
>
> other long lost winnipeggers?
>
Archie Wood and Uncle Bob
Joe Borowski
Natalie Pollak
The guy that sold fries and pop corn in front of schools in an orange
and green truck.
Bill Guest
gut
Lloyd Nevins wrote:
>
> Archie Wood and Uncle Bob
> Joe Borowski
dead.....just this year?
> Natalie Pollak
Tits up I think as far as mayor goes ;)
> The guy that sold fries and pop corn in front of schools in an orange
> and green truck.
Dead, but someone has that truck. That guy made the best popcorn in the
world. I used to play little league baseball in the 50's and he was
selling popcorn out of that truck at minto armoury.
> Bill Guest ??
--
Don Bayomi
>Natalie Pollak
>The guy that sold fries and pop corn in front of schools in an orange
>and green truck.
re: other peggers
Archie and his Friends.
I loved that Uncle Bob show (Robbie robot was my fav:). Its damn sad if
the rumors were true.
I bought an old album of theirs last year for 25 cents. I still say Bobs
duchess was milion times more entertaining than that Lewis lady with that
ugly sock on her hand. I wounldt wash my car with that lambchop!
What ever happened to Archie wood? He really should be in a Winnpeg museum
an hopefully didn't become part of some furniture. :(
Joe Borowski...died
He was a winnipeg character. the way he went from politician to life
activist and must have lost 50 pounds for 10 years till he died.
We sill have other activists like Nick Ternette, ...and a few guys on the
radio Morris in the village, and the old guys who always make speeches at
any public forum, where they criticize the huge corporate welfare bums.
Natallie Pollock.
I am TOTALLY surprised that she never became an active poster on this
group. (time will tell :)
I'm not sure if she has a few bricks shorter of the proverbial load..but
she could direct that attention to some career in showbiz i guess.
What about Math with Marty...I heard he moved to Edmonton? We need more of
his types.
(speaking of brains...that Dr. Merkin on the radio must be the most well
read and experienced doctor in north america...I wish a few less of our
doctors would go stateside (I still dont have my medical records when mine
upped and went to texas to live)
Bill Guest(I think he was the host of Reach for the top)
Bill died several years ago.
Im sure there are alot of folks on this group who were on the reach for
the top show. My brother was on one year...i dont think we kept the tape.
We need more of those shows for the kids today..and maybe another show for
those who dont excel in academics but maybe sports, skateboarding etc)
The rule should always be...look for someones strenghts and help them use
these to positive advantage, and not dwell their weaknesses. Life is much
too short to wast energies on those directions...we are all destined to
become worm food at the very end.
--
others
Chip and Pepper...i hate to hear about the possible habit mentioned in
other post.
They seemed so naturally high... and could take on the world.
(but so were cobain, and so many others)
I used to talk with a guy who told stories of well known business peggers
and their coke parties...and the huge numbers who were dealing crack and
smack in the 80s. (explains some of the big money and the empty
restaurants in some parts of town)
I have always been asking if one can be a success in business without
being a crook, or somewhat shady...and am pleased when i hear positive
stories of clean honest hardwork.
Chip and Pepper:
The Chip guy, reminds me so much of Rick Lowen of 2Sports Guys...I dont
know if chip was also a rural person of mennonite heritage. (alot of good
business genes in tha mennonite heritage Comcheq etc etc....BUT don't eat
the "cracklin" breakfast at the Schdove restaurant. It is deep frie bacon
and mash eggs and potatoes etc.
Seems there is a big rush to become a kids performer these days...Raffi,
and Penner and the other guy with the dumb toys.
I think kids these days would rather see the Jim Rose Circus..where i guy
pulls dental floss thru his nose and out his mouth, and pushes needles
thru his cheek. (the days might be long gone to sing happy songs)
--
Other Peggers ?
Wow...the CEO of Great West life made a cool $500,000..plus bonus.
I guess that explains some of the huge houses in Lindenwoods, new tuxedo.
(many of the others are "dinks" double income no kids ) :)
Personally, i wont be vying for a house in Linden Woods...I have my eyes
on a nice shopping cart and a place to jack an ISDN line into it.
--
Before building any more casinos...lets confirm the rumor that Gary Filmon
has NEVER set a foot inside of any of the Manitoba casinos.
(these are money sucking ventures that I believe have killed many
businesses on Mcphillips...people drive right past the businesses and lose
their money in the machines)
well...back into the basement to work on my video script.
(home based business isn't all its cracked up to be...it can be great but
also a little like living in an isolation unit at Stony.)
PS: Yourdan is a 30 year veteran computer consultant and author of many
computer structured programming methodologies. I suspect he is coming to
town to talk about the year 2000 and how to plan for it.
I heard that several world airlines will not land in 30 US airports
because these 30 have old mainframes operating the traffic control, and
they apparently cant be upgraded. They are now no-fly zones for Jan 2000.
Walter Krawec
Glen Hallick wrote:
>
> Wally, let's get one thing straight here and now. What I chose to post
> here has nothing to do with the NDP. When I write a post it consists of
> what are my opinions, not those of NDP.
Understood. I did not mean to infer otherwise.
> Reading the Red Book from the 93 campaign it reminded me of many NDP
> policies and a few Tory ones for that fine Liberal balance of duplicity.
Duplicity, or a reasonable balance ? Personally, I find that the NDP and
Tories both have some good ideas... What is wrong with looking for a
balance between the two ? (In fact, that's what gets me...how can one
totally write off the policies of any of the Liberals, Tories or NDP ?)
I think that if you're seeking the best interests of a party, then you
vehemently stick to a party line, but if you're looking out for the best
interests in the country, you change your approach to governing as
circumstances dictate.
> I agreed with the Red Book that the best way to solve the deficit
> problem was through job creation and not massive spending cuts to social
> programs. Yet "in the progress of a people" Paul Martin (the one that
> makes sure his company doesn't pay its taxes owed to the Canadian
> government) perhaps achieved the greatest Liberal flip-flop since
> Mackenzie-King was spinning the line "conscription if necessary, but not
> necessarily conscription".
I think Paul Martin has done a respectable job finding fiscal balance
without gutting social programs. Certainly, I do not think Mr. Martin
has done a perfect job, but I think if the next few budgets focus on
channeling the dividends to social spending, Canada could really be the
better for it.
>
> American TV? Hell I find their news to be vile and repulsive psycho
> babble suffering from a massive intelligence deficit. I've had Skycable
> since last August and I have yet to watch an American newscast
The whole "Axworthy should be at the bottom of the sea" line sounded
like it came off one of those Yank shows like "Rush". (Is he still on
the air these days ?)
> Now if you direct me to the nearest football website I shall continue
> this tirade against a certain 16 year old punk shithead named Colin. In
> the words of my all time favourite wrestler, "ratta-tat-tat,
> ratta-tat-tat!"
LOL
> Glen
Walter
Glen Hallick
Opus- wrote:
>
> On Tue, 28 Apr 1998 00:39:38 GMT, Glen Hallick <ghal...@escape.ca>
> wrote:
>
> >Monty Hall, David Steinberg, Neil Young (a brief temporary resident),
> >and literally thousands of other people.
> >
> >What do they all have in common? The feeling that Winnipeg is a great
> >place to be from.
>
> And yet I turn down a 60% wage increase in Richmond BC to stay here.
> Somebody give my head a shake.
>
What's the cost of living out there compared to here?
Glen
Glen Hallick
Walter Krawec wrote:
>
> Glen Hallick wrote:
> >
> > Wally, let's get one thing straight here and now. What I chose to post
> > here has nothing to do with the NDP. When I write a post it consists of
> > what are my opinions, not those of NDP.
>
> Understood. I did not mean to infer otherwise.
>
> > Reading the Red Book from the 93 campaign it reminded me of many NDP
> > policies and a few Tory ones for that fine Liberal balance of duplicity.
>
> Duplicity, or a reasonable balance ?
D u p l i c i t y
> Personally, I find that the NDP and
> Tories both have some good ideas...
Good ideas from the Tories are few and far in between.
> What is wrong with looking for a
> balance between the two ?
As the story goes the Liberals are always the last party to hold a
policy convention. That way they can pick and choose the policies they
want to steal from the other parties. I guess it saves time on original
thought.
> (In fact, that's what gets me...how can one
> totally write off the policies of any of the Liberals, Tories or NDP ?)
> I think that if you're seeking the best interests of a party, then you
> vehemently stick to a party line, but if you're looking out for the best
> interests in the country, you change your approach to governing as
> circumstances dictate.
Being pragmatic is essential to running a government, as is sticking to
a basic ideology. Many would me an ideologue and to a extent I guess
that I am. Which doesn't bother me, because maintaining an ideology
allows for more honesty. Looking that the history of the Liberals Party
that is seriously lacking.
I will give the party credit for evolving from a strongly anti-semetic
organization (ie: the Hitler loving bigot William Lyon Mackenzie King)
to one that at least appears to be tolerant of others.
>
> > I agreed with the Red Book that the best way to solve the deficit
> > problem was through job creation and not massive spending cuts to social
> > programs. Yet "in the progress of a people" Paul Martin (the one that
> > makes sure his company doesn't pay its taxes owed to the Canadian
> > government) perhaps achieved the greatest Liberal flip-flop since
> > Mackenzie-King was spinning the line "conscription if necessary, but not
> > necessarily conscription".
>
> I think Paul Martin has done a respectable job finding fiscal balance
> without gutting social programs.
Wally, please, I have enough respect for you to realize a BS line when I
see it. That may work on many rank and file members of the Liberal
Party, but it ain't going to work on me.
> Certainly, I do not think Mr. Martin
> has done a perfect job, but I think if the next few budgets focus on
> channeling the dividends to social spending, Canada could really be the
> better for it.
Over $70 BILLION in unpaid corporate taxes just under the current
Liberal government. Yet social programs face taken the brunt of Martin's
spending cuts. Where is my friend the balance?
If I recall correctly corporate taxation today accounts for less than
10% of the goverment's revenues. In the early 1970's it accounted for
slightly more than 20%.
In all honesty how can a government cut its own revenues and boost
spending? The "horrible" debt we as a country have today is NOT from
excessive social spending but from excessive tax cuts handed to the
corporate sector.
Across the board tax cuts will not rectify this situation. What is
needed is the political will to make the tax system fair. I for one am
sick and tired of subsidizing the corporate sector.
>
> >
> > American TV? Hell I find their news to be vile and repulsive psycho
> > babble suffering from a massive intelligence deficit. I've had Skycable
> > since last August and I have yet to watch an American newscast
>
> The whole "Axworthy should be at the bottom of the sea" line sounded
> like it came off one of those Yank shows like "Rush". (Is he still on
> the air these days ?)
>
Actually I stole the line from Darren Gudmundson. BTW, it was underneath
the whale shit at the bottom of the ocean.
> > Now if you direct me to the nearest football website I shall continue
> > this tirade against a certain 16 year old punk shithead named Colin. In
> > the words of my all time favourite wrestler, "ratta-tat-tat,
> > ratta-tat-tat!"
>
> LOL
>
The man who made Milwuakee famous. Da One! Da Only! Da Crusher!!
I still giggle about the flying drop kick he pulled off back in the late
1970's. He must have been close to 50 and quite rolly-poley. It was
hilarious.
Glen
Glen Hallick
Don Bayomi wrote:
>
> Lloyd Nevins <kpp...@freenet.mb.ca> writes:
> >Archie Wood and Uncle Bob
> >Joe Borowski
> >Natalie Pollak
> >The guy that sold fries and pop corn in front of schools in an orange
> >and green truck.
> >Bill Guest
>
> re: other peggers
>
> Archie and his Friends.
> I loved that Uncle Bob show (Robbie robot was my fav:). Its damn sad if
> the rumors were true.
>
> I bought an old album of theirs last year for 25 cents. I still say Bobs
> duchess was milion times more entertaining than that Lewis lady with that
> ugly sock on her hand. I wounldt wash my car with that lambchop!
Duchess was a bitch in more ways than one as was Tammy True. Now Petite,
she was cool.
Better than his weekday noon hour show was Funtown with Freddy the
Freeloader.
>
> What ever happened to Archie wood? He really should be in a Winnpeg museum
> an hopefully didn't become part of some furniture.
Uncle Bob sure got the short shrift from CKY-TV. As he's set to reitre
they suddenly cancel his show and he's denied the chance to go out with
dignity.
>
> Joe Borowski...died
> He was a winnipeg character. the way he went from politician to life
> activist and must have lost 50 pounds for 10 years till he died.
I suggest reading Russ Doern's book "Wednesday's are Cabinet Days" as
there's some very interesting stories about Borowski.
>
> We sill have other activists like Nick Ternette, ...and a few guys on the
> radio Morris in the village, and the old guys who always make speeches at
> any public forum, where they criticize the huge corporate welfare bums.
>
It wouldn't be a mayoral election if Nick wasn't there. If I lived in
the city I think I would vote for him. Yes, he's a political wingnut but
look at the scum oozing from the Right. As for Glen Murray, I couldn't
give a shit about him being gay. What bugs me was his sudden Liberal
style flip-flop on the Sam Katz corporate welfare case.
> Natallie Pollock.
> I am TOTALLY surprised that she never became an active poster on this
> group. (time will tell :)
>
And I thought Babs Amero was bad enough.
> I'm not sure if she has a few bricks shorter of the proverbial load..but
> she could direct that attention to some career in showbiz i guess.
Her appearance on the Jenny Jones Show was classic.
>
> What about Math with Marty...I heard he moved to Edmonton? We need more of
> his types.
Ah yes Sid Green's son. I caught his show a couple of times and it was
damn interesting. Kind of a young version of the physicist Julius
Sumner-Millar from the Hillarious House of Frightenstein.
>
> (speaking of brains...that Dr. Merkin on the radio must be the most well
> read and experienced doctor in north america...I wish a few less of our
> doctors would go stateside (I still dont have my medical records when mine
> upped and went to texas to live)
>
> Bill Guest(I think he was the host of Reach for the top)
> Bill died several years ago.
>
> Im sure there are alot of folks on this group who were on the reach for
> the top show. My brother was on one year...i dont think we kept the tape.
>
A staple of Saturday afternoon tv.
> We need more of those shows for the kids today..and maybe another show for
> those who dont excel in academics but maybe sports, skateboarding etc)
>
> The rule should always be...look for someones strenghts and help them use
> these to positive advantage, and not dwell their weaknesses. Life is much
> too short to wast energies on those directions...we are all destined to
> become worm food at the very end.
>
I do beleive Videon is running a Reach For the Top type show.
> --
> others
> Chip and Pepper...i hate to hear about the possible habit mentioned in
> other post.
>
Yah! I like going out to Cottonwood. How dare they bring disrepute to
one of my favourite golf courses. If I see them I'll huck my 3 iron at
them. I'm pretty good at hucking 3 irons.
> They seemed so naturally high... and could take on the world.
> (but so were cobain, and so many others)
Naturally high? They were annoying!
As for Cobain, well look what happened when tried his JFK impersonation.
>
> I used to talk with a guy who told stories of well known business peggers
> and their coke parties...and the huge numbers who were dealing crack and
> smack in the 80s. (explains some of the big money and the empty
> restaurants in some parts of town)
>
> I have always been asking if one can be a success in business without
> being a crook, or somewhat shady...and am pleased when i hear positive
> stories of clean honest hardwork.
>
> Chip and Pepper:
> The Chip guy, reminds me so much of Rick Lowen of 2Sports Guys...I dont
> know if chip was also a rural person of mennonite heritage. (alot of good
> business genes in tha mennonite heritage Comcheq etc etc....BUT don't eat
> the "cracklin" breakfast at the Schdove restaurant. It is deep frie bacon
> and mash eggs and potatoes etc.
>
My aunt and uncle owned the Tourist Hotel that once stood on Main St. in
Steinbach. My cousins were often taunted as being the children of
heathens.
When my uncle tried to buy a car in Steinbach the prices jumped by a
couple of thousand of dollars.
The Tourist was one of the last hotels to be men only. One day a group
of women staged a sit-in protesting the sexist policies of the Liquour
Commission. Of course my uncle supported the women.
When they tried to build their new hotel within city limits they lost in
a referendum. So they built it just a few yards outside of city limits.
> Seems there is a big rush to become a kids performer these days...Raffi,
> and Penner and the other guy with the dumb toys.
Al Simmons?
>
> I think kids these days would rather see the Jim Rose Circus..where i guy
> pulls dental floss thru his nose and out his mouth, and pushes needles
> thru his cheek. (the days might be long gone to sing happy songs)
>
Ick.
> --
> Other Peggers ?
>
> Wow...the CEO of Great West life made a cool $500,000..plus bonus.
Great Waste of Life is cheap! If he worked for Manitoba Telecom Services
he would have gotten a $1 million bonus just like Tom Stefanson. I guess
when somebody is appointed by their brother they should expect big
rewards for doing very little.
>
> I guess that explains some of the huge houses in Lindenwoods, new tuxedo.
> (many of the others are "dinks" double income no kids ) :)
>
I drove through Lindenwoods once. I could feel the preteniousness oozing
out of the homes.
> Personally, i wont be vying for a house in Linden Woods...I have my eyes
> on a nice shopping cart and a place to jack an ISDN line into it.
>
We used to live in a hole in the road.
> --
> Before building any more casinos...lets confirm the rumor that Gary Filmon
> has NEVER set a foot inside of any of the Manitoba casinos.
When I interviewed then Lotteries Minister Jim Ernest for a paper I was
writing for my Manitoba Politics class, he told me that cabinet
ministers were not allowed in the casinos. According to him they are not
allowed to
play the VLT's.
Glen
Glen Hallick
Lloyd Nevins wrote:
>
> On Mon, 27 Apr 1998, Don Bayomi wrote:
>
> >
> > other long lost winnipeggers?
> >
>
> Archie Wood
Kindiling
> and Uncle Bob
Dead
> Joe Borowski
Also dead
> Natalie Pollak
If you get a chance read the file of the law suit she threatened against
Glen Cummings. I think that one wasn't one of her whacky and factless
suits she is known for.
> The guy that sold fries and pop corn in front of schools in an orange
> and green truck.
Cool.
> Bill Guest
His wife died recently.
Glen
Rog
Glen Hallick wrote:
> > Joe Borowski...died
> > He was a winnipeg character. the way he went from politician to life
> > activist and must have lost 50 pounds for 10 years till he died.
>
> I suggest reading Russ Doern's book "Wednesday's are Cabinet Days" as
> there's some very interesting stories about Borowski.
Didn't R.D. blow him self away a few years ago? I seem to recall one MLA named
Doern who punched his own clock back in the 80's.
You mention Cobain too later on in that same post... interesting.
R
Rog
nevins@*anti-klik*freenet.edmonton.ab.ca wrote:
> On Mon, 27 Apr 1998 21:53:30 GMT, bay...@mbnet.mb.ca (Don Bayomi)
> wrote:
>
> >
> >other long lost winnipeggers?
> >
>
> Okay then, how about...
>
> Sam Hill
Who?
> Garth Dollie
Garth is a well fed toady serving on the CRTC. He's one of the people
you thank for the "gardening channel".
> Bobbie Bend
Who?
> Coach Cal
Asst. Coaching nicely in Sask for the Riders
> Red Lyon
Who?
> Cactus Jack
Heard him this morning on CKVN, special events radio. Still does his
happy honker stuff after Bomber games on 'OB too.
> The guy with anti-workman's comp posters all over his car
Kehler? (sp?) The WCB moved to Broadway (the old N. American Life Bldg),
haven't seen Jake there. Maybe he sells hotdogs now.
Rog
Lloyd Nevins
On Tue, 28 Apr 1998, Rog wrote:
>
> >
> > Sam Hill
>
> Who?
>
Lol, I meant Nick Hill. Sam Hill is an obscure reference to the movie
The Good, Bad and the Ugly...uh, a bit of synaptic fission in my corpus
callosum.
>
> > Bobbie Bend
>
> Who?
>
MB liberal leader before Izzy Asper.
>
> > Red Lyon
>
> Who?
>
Sterling Lyon, Red was a nick name.
Premier 1980 - 1984.
Glen Hallick
Rog wrote:
>
> Glen Hallick wrote:
>
> > > Joe Borowski...died
> > > He was a winnipeg character. the way he went from politician to life
> > > activist and must have lost 50 pounds for 10 years till he died.
> >
> > I suggest reading Russ Doern's book "Wednesday's are Cabinet Days" as
> > there's some very interesting stories about Borowski.
>
> Doern who punched his own clock back in the 80's.
> You mention Cobain too later on in that same post... interesting.
You're right about Doern. If I recall correctly it was at an Emerson
area farm. I think it was shortly after he lost to Bill Norrie in a
mayoral election. That would have been during the mid 1980's.
Having read both of Doern's books (the other being "The Battle Over
Bilingualism) I got the sense that he had changed a great deal over the
years.
I'll give him credit for part of his analyis in his second book. That
being there far too many hangers-on from Ontario in key positions in the
Pawley government. They did not take in account the differences in the
political cultures between Manitoba and Ontario.
That debate drew out at lot of closet bigots into the mainstream. Many
of them Tories.
Glen
Glen Hallick
Lloyd Nevins wrote:
>
> On Tue, 28 Apr 1998, Rog wrote:
>
snip.
> >
> > > Red Lyon
> >
> > Who?
> >
> Sterling Lyon, Red was a nick name.
> Premier 1980 - 1984.
I always though Lyon's nickname was Rufus or is that his middle name.
BTW, Lyon was premier from 1977 to 1981 and Tory leader from 1975 to
1983. He took the leadership away from Sid Spivak by running a vicious
anti-semetic whisper campaign.
Glen
Glen Hallick
Rog wrote:
>
> nevins@*anti-klik*freenet.edmonton.ab.ca wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 27 Apr 1998 21:53:30 GMT, bay...@mbnet.mb.ca (Don Bayomi)
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >other long lost winnipeggers?
> > >
> >
> > Okay then, how about...
> >
> > Sam Hill
>
> Who?
Beats me.
>
> > Garth Dollie
>
> Garth is a well fed toady serving on the CRTC. He's one of the people
> you thank for the "gardening channel".
A Mulroney appointee. After being the sacrificial lamb for the Tories in
Lord Axworthy's Winnipeg South Centre seat, he was eventually given his
thank-you.
>
> > Bobbie Bend
>
> Who?
>
Leader of the Manitoba Liberal Party after Gildas Molgat and before Izzy
Asper. In an extremely feeble attempt to generate interest in the
sagging Liberals, Bend toured the province in the 1969 election in a bus
named the "Bend Wagon". I do believe that tour also included a pit of a
country/western theme.
> > Coach Cal
>
> Asst. Coaching nicely in Sask for the Riders
>
And hired his imfamous son-in-law to work for him as the team's receiver
coach.
> > Red Lyon
>
> Who?
>
> > Cactus Jack
>
> Heard him this morning on CKVN, special events radio. Still does his
> happy honker stuff after Bomber games on 'OB too.
>
And it turned out nice today.
> > The guy with anti-workman's comp posters all over his car
>
> Kehler? (sp?) The WCB moved to Broadway (the old N. American Life Bldg),
> haven't seen Jake there. Maybe he sells hotdogs now.
I haven't seen him for several years. Perhaps he passed away?
I disliked that man. It didn't matter who was in power he was bitching
about them.
Glen
Rog
Glen Hallick wrote:
> > > Coach Cal
> >
> > Asst. Coaching nicely in Sask for the Riders
> >
>
> And hired his imfamous son-in-law to work for him as the team's receiver
> coach.
>
So *that's* where Sammy is.
Yeesh.
John Qua
Lloyd Nevins wrote:
> > > Red Lyon
> >
> > Who?
> >
> Sterling Lyon, Red was a nick name.
> Premier 1980 - 1984.
Saw Sterling this afternoon stocking up on veggies at Vic's
Fruits/Veggies in the mini mall next to the Cambridge Hotel on
Pembina.
He looked very healthy..... never realized how short he was....
quite vertically challenged.
He was short listed for a senate seat once or twice as I recall
but it never came off. No idea what he is doing now besides
retirement.
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
John Qua
jq...@escape.ca
Winnipeg, Mb. http://www.escape.ca/~jqua
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Dave Kehler
MLD <Los...@rus.com> wrote in article
<lHG01.47$Kd4.1...@typhoon.mbnet.mb.ca>...
> Ye Ha Peter Warren and the Mayor are leaving, hmm around the same time,
hmm
> sounds like something might be going on here :-)
>
>
>
Don't forget about Naomi Lakritz. She's gone now too, thank goodness.
Dave
Walter Krawec
Glen Hallick wrote:
>
> Being pragmatic is essential to running a government, as is sticking to
> a basic ideology. Many would me an ideologue and to a extent I guess
> that I am. Which doesn't bother me, because maintaining an ideology
> allows for more honesty. Looking that the history of the Liberals Party
> that is seriously lacking.
You make it sound like Liberals wake up in the morning wondering what
sort of malicious lies they can inflict on people. That couldn't be
farther from the truth.
> I will give the party credit for evolving from a strongly anti-semetic
> organization (ie: the Hitler loving bigot William Lyon Mackenzie King)
> to one that at least appears to be tolerant of others.
Did the Charter of Rights and Freedoms tip you off on that one ?
> >
> > I think Paul Martin has done a respectable job finding fiscal balance
> > without gutting social programs.
>
> Wally, please, I have enough respect for you to realize a BS line when I
> see it. That may work on many rank and file members of the Liberal
> Party, but it ain't going to work on me.
What I've seen leads me to believe what I wrote up there.
> In all honesty how can a government cut its own revenues and boost
> spending? The "horrible" debt we as a country have today is NOT from
> excessive social spending but from excessive tax cuts handed to the
> corporate sector.
You know how I feel about the corporate sector, Glen, but there will
always be a "cost of doing business." I'm not claiming that what we have
now is perfect.
> > The whole "Axworthy should be at the bottom of the sea" line sounded
> > like it came off one of those Yank shows like "Rush". (Is he still on
> > the air these days ?)
> >
> Actually I stole the line from Darren Gudmundson. BTW, it was underneath
> the whale shit at the bottom of the ocean.
Thanks for clearing that one up.
Walter Krawec
Finch wrote:
>
> x-no-archive: yes
>
> Make that three - Naomi from the sun is leaving -------- YES!!!!!!!!
>
Whaaa ? Why is this ?
I certainly won't miss her. She had as much credibility as a typical
caller to CJOB's "Action Line".
Walter Krawec
Glen Hallick wrote:
>
> You're right about Doern. If I recall correctly it was at an Emerson
> area farm. I think it was shortly after he lost to Bill Norrie in a
> mayoral election. That would have been during the mid 1980's.
>
> Having read both of Doern's books (the other being "The Battle Over
> Bilingualism) I got the sense that he had changed a great deal over the
> years.
>
> I'll give him credit for part of his analyis in his second book. That
> being there far too many hangers-on from Ontario in key positions in the
> Pawley government. They did not take in account the differences in the
> political cultures between Manitoba and Ontario.
>
> That debate drew out at lot of closet bigots into the mainstream. Many
> of them Tories.
I am surprised to hear this. I read Russ Doern's book "Wednesdays are
Cabinet Days" after Christmas. I thought it was going to be painfully
dull, but it turned out to be a pleasant surprise. When I tried to find
out more about Doern by searching through the Electronic Hansard, I was
surprised to learn he had died, seeing how young he was. It's only now
that I find out that he called his own number.
I'd be interested to know the course Doern's life took after he wrote
the first book... The author of Steve Juba's bio (Mike Czuboka ?)
mentioned that he had lost a lot of credibility with the "vitriolic"
attacks of his second book (which I never read, but only skimmed
through.) I find that fairly intriguing...what could have prompted him
to commit suicide ? Was the loss of the mayoral election the cause ? Or
was it just the straw that broke the camel's back ?
nev...@*anti-klik*freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
>
>other long lost winnipeggers?
>
Okay then, how about...
Sam Hill
Garth Dollie
Bobbie Bend
Coach Cal
Red Lyon
Cactus Jack
nev...@*anti-klik*freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
On Tue, 28 Apr 1998 13:33:36 GMT, bay...@mbnet.mb.ca (Don Bayomi)
wrote:
>
>
>Bill Guest(I think he was the host of Reach for the top)
>Bill died several years ago.
>
If you watch the academy award winning The Big Snit
you will hear Bill Guest's voice announcing the impending
nuclear explosion.
Who drew The Big Snit anyway? He's a long lost Winnipeger.
nev...@*anti-klik*freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
On Tue, 28 Apr 1998 17:22:26 GMT, Glen Hallick <ghal...@escape.ca>
wrote:
>If you get a chance read the file of the law suit she threatened against
>Glen Cummings. I think that one wasn't one of her whacky and factless
>suits she is known for.
>
Sounds interesting. I only know of the dropped charge against Larry
Linville (Frank Burns) for touching her bazooka.
cam and or nenette remove trailing 666
On Tue, 28 Apr 1998 06:19:17 GMT, Lloyd Nevins <kpp...@freenet.mb.ca>
added to the entropy with:
>
>Archie Wood and Uncle Bob
I always liked the story a friend of mine tells about getting cornered
as a child in the Belgium club, by a drunken Uncle Bob swearing and
cussing about kids that don't appreciate him.
cam and or nenette remove trailing 666
On Wed, 29 Apr 1998 02:14:25 GMT,
nevins@*anti-klik*freenet.edmonton.ab.ca added to the entropy with:
>
>The guy with anti-workman's comp posters all over his car
I saw him in town last summer, so I don't *think* he's gone.
cam and or nenette remove trailing 666
On Tue, 28 Apr 1998 19:52:28 GMT, Lloyd Nevins <kpp...@freenet.mb.ca>
added to the entropy with:
>>
>Sterling Lyon, Red was a nick name.
>Premier 1980 - 1984.
What was the name of that guy that always sang the song that went
"Good morning, girl, and how's the world with you?" on CJOB all the
time? His name was Red something, wasn't it?
cam
Opus-
In article <354605...@escape.ca>, Glen Hallick <ghal...@escape.ca> wrote:
>Opus- wrote:
>> And yet I turn down a 60% wage increase in Richmond BC to stay here.
>> Somebody give my head a shake.
>>
>
>What's the cost of living out there compared to here?
That was pretty much what made me turn down the job. Here, I own a house.
There, I couldn't afford a shopping cart or a phone booth.
Plus, there's no place like home :-)
"I am Bill Gates of Borg. You will be assimilated.
Resistance is fut -GENERAL PROTECTION FAULT in BORG.EXE-"
http://members.tripod.com/~jbuchy
Glen Hallick
Walter Krawec wrote:
>
> Glen Hallick wrote:
> >
> > Being pragmatic is essential to running a government, as is sticking to
> > a basic ideology. Many would me an ideologue and to a extent I guess
> > that I am. Which doesn't bother me, because maintaining an ideology
> > allows for more honesty. Looking that the history of the Liberals Party
> > that is seriously lacking.
>
> You make it sound like Liberals wake up in the morning wondering what
> sort of malicious lies they can inflict on people. That couldn't be
> farther from the truth.
Free Trade, GST, the drug bill, WGTA...need I mention mention more
broken promises since _1993_?
Now let's take the latest vile spin doctoring, that being the Liberal
view of the Hep C victims.
In order to impose his will, Chretien began spinning the idea that the
Reform motion was a motion of non-confidence. Now I'm not an expert in
parliamentary procedure but the motion was not one of a non-confidence.
And just what did we witness yesterday? Liberal after Liberal
backbencher stand up to vote against the Reform motion acting greatly
displeased about Chretien's orders on how to vote.
So Wally, what happened? Liberal MP's putting their electoral careers
BEFORE the decency due to the Hep C victims not covered by the
compensation package.
Furthermore the aged political warhorse, Herb Gray, has the nerve to
trot out time after time that provincial Tory and NDP governments agreed
to this compensation package. Here is a fine example of a Liberal
powerbroker putting forth the concept that party loyal is paramount over
doing the right thing.
The Clark and Romanow governments along with all the other provincial
are in the wrong by screwing the Hep C victims not covered by the
compensation package.
>
> > I will give the party credit for evolving from a strongly anti-semetic
> > organization (ie: the Hitler loving bigot William Lyon Mackenzie King)
> > to one that at least appears to be tolerant of others.
>
> Did the Charter of Rights and Freedoms tip you off on that one ?
I seriously doubt that if Trudeau had lost the 1980 election that there
would be a Charter of Rights and Freedoms.
But the Libs still like to show their intolerance from time to time.
Take the Hep C victims for example.
>
> > >
> > > I think Paul Martin has done a respectable job finding fiscal balance
> > > without gutting social programs.
> >
> > Wally, please, I have enough respect for you to realize a BS line when I
> > see it. That may work on many rank and file members of the Liberal
> > Party, but it ain't going to work on me.
>
> What I've seen leads me to believe what I wrote up there.
>
And I suspect you are either trying to pull off a troll or are unaware
of the deep cuts to social programs carrying out by Paul Martin.
> > In all honesty how can a government cut its own revenues and boost
> > spending? The "horrible" debt we as a country have today is NOT from
> > excessive social spending but from excessive tax cuts handed to the
> > corporate sector.
>
> You know how I feel about the corporate sector, Glen, but there will
> always be a "cost of doing business." I'm not claiming that what we have
> now is perfect.
That doesn't address the very real problem that Canadians easrning
average and below average incomes are subsidizing major corporations in
this country.
>
> > > The whole "Axworthy should be at the bottom of the sea" line sounded
> > > like it came off one of those Yank shows like "Rush". (Is he still on
> > > the air these days ?)
> > >
> > Actually I stole the line from Darren Gudmundson. BTW, it was underneath
> > the whale shit at the bottom of the ocean.
>
> Thanks for clearing that one up.
>
I assume that it's one of Darren's original sayings.
Glen
Glen Hallick
q59...@Lilos.net wrote:
>
> x-no-archive:yes On Wed, 29 Apr 1998 00:58:48 GMT,
> 7173...@ican.net (cam and or nenette remove trailing 666) wrote:
>
> Red Alex
Red Alix left Winnipeg for the retired life in Headingly. He writes a
beef and bouquet column for Headingly Headliner newspaper.
Glen
nev...@*anti-klik*freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
On Tue, 28 Apr 1998 21:17:57 GMT, Glen Hallick <ghal...@escape.ca>
wrote:
>
>I always though Lyon's nickname was Rufus or is that his middle name.
>BTW, Lyon was premier from 1977 to 1981 and Tory leader from 1975 to
>1983. He took the leadership away from Sid Spivak by running a vicious
>anti-semetic whisper campaign.
>
Was it that far back? I guess so. The whisper campaign doesn't
surprise me, usual conservative integrity.
Lloyd Nevins
OKAY then how about:
Wash and Ash
Murray Parker
Evelyn Hart
Harlequin(the band)
Howard Pawley
Brian Jack
Randy Carlyle
Chuck Collins
Glen Hallick wrote in message <354347...@escape.ca>...
>Peter Warren leaving? I haven't anything about that. Perhaps he's only
>going away on holidays.
You've been in a coma. He's going at the end of the year... like in gone....
permanently.
>As for Mayor Thompson...don't let the door hit you in the arse on your
>way out. The crowning achievement of her reign as Queen Suzie is the
>systematic dismantling of democracy at City Hall.
>
>Other than that, the other achievement of can think of was the erection
>of signs outside the city saying how great Winnipeg is.
Let's not forget her leagacies: The $13,000 flower pots. Her latest fiasco,
the $100,000 flag poles to be installed at Portage and Main. Her most
expensive snafu - The Pan Am games, something your grandchildren will be
paying for. It's funny how she never seemed to have enough money to to
supply the level of civic services that we were used to but she always seems
to find cash laying around trivalities and window dressing. What was her
original campagin promise? Oh yeah... to balance the budget without reducing
services or raising taxes. She run her family bussiness into the ground and
tried damn hard to do the same to the city of Winnipeg. As far as I'm
concerned she is nothing but a useless piece of skin.
Chuck Collins
Don Bayomi wrote in message ...
>
>Hopefully, Portage ave will get those outdorr cafes...I will sit there
And breathe the smog from the traffic backed up to Polo Park.
>
cam and or nenette remove trailing 666
On Wed, 29 Apr 1998 02:00:35 -0000, "Chuck Collins" <ccol...@mts.net>
added to the entropy with:
hey, c'mon - her skin is providing a useful function! It's preventing
her volume of blubber from flooding through the streets of the city,
like sandbags held back the waters of the Red!
Don Bayomi
other peggers
1. workmen comp guy...(I almost forgot about him...)
yeah, I wondered why this protestor hasnt been seen with his 20 signs
outside of the worker comp building this year. (often slammed Warren)
I assumed he got a cheq settlement from comp board... I always felt afraid
for the workers in the building for the one day when a guy like that might
totally lose it and get too comfortable with an A K47.
2. other missing winnipeggers...
speaking of hair... I havent seen that really nice lady who used to work
at the downtown libray and had a partial beard. Everybody said she was
nice and I sure hope the kids didn't drive her over the edge.
(I caught Maury Povitch and two guests from South America who were totally
covered in hair...I assume that it wasn't a put-on, and hope the hell the
show didnt stoop that low. (I happened to pass that channel on the way to
PBS :)
3. Monty Hall?
I havent seen his mug anywhere lately (but I didnt watch variety show this
year so dont know who else besides Bobby Curtola was on (cough)
I assume Bobby Curtola was a pegger...or else the reincarnation of Bobby
Vinton, or maybe that parody from SCTV Bobby Bitman.
4. panhandlers...
I havent seen the "hearing impaired pencil selling guy" for a few months.
This poor ol' soul, has a crooked back and passes out his deaf-mute card
and asks for donations for pencils. (could that be the future of many of
our computer programmers and graphics specialists after everybody burns
out...life can deal you a pretty strange and rotten hand of cards
sometimes...)
Jesus of Osborne?>...havent seen em, maybe the squeegie kids attention
caused the cops to move the man over a few.
What about that LARGE scary guy downtown from last year. He would start
screaming at people on the bus, on the street... I last saw him at the
Bob larsen event at the UW when this guy was screaming about God and
almost jumped on the stage to rail on the speaker. (ive seen this big guy
before yelling at women and kids at the bus shelter. Eyes popping out,
face red as hell, about 300 pounds.) He either got iced, or is in Selkirk
mental.
---
Famous Ex Women Peggers ?
Name some well known women who left winnipeg.
(are there others besides tv people?)
1. CKY Tvs Shelly Swirski
2. CBC Sandra Lewis
3. a few MTN gals...the blonde one is on national tv now I think (once
dated Sam katz apparently, ...now sammyis marrying someone else)
also that other MTN gal who used to do those Future Shop TV informercials
last year.
Slyvia Kuzik
We still have Sylvia kuzik (her sister had a full time spot on the US Tv
show Hill Street Blues)
Sylvia still looks great and seems to have a real nice personallity...
but I could have sworn that she was about 105 years old since she was on
tv when they first invented fire.
hmmmm...other famous Female Peggers who left? is that a tough one
soon Mayor Thompson might leave to Minneapolis for a plum job if the
rumors are true...embassy job or something.
Other famous women...who left Winnipeg?
singers..Krevaziuk, I guess she still lives here...cute lady.
Rog
Lloyd Nevins wrote:
> OKAY then how about:
>
> Wash and Ash
Bob Washington...unknown wherabouts
> Murray Parker
Murray Parker and his horrible hairpiece can be found on CVKN Special
Events Radio.
> Evelyn Hart
Still with the RWB.
> Harlequin(the band)
If I'm not mistaken, these guys (some or all of them) still get back
together to playsome of those "dinosaur rock" type gigs. I never cared
much for their music. I thought they got airplay mostly due to Candian
Content regs for radio. I think there were (and *are*) much, much better
bands coming out of Winnipeg.
> Howard Pawley
Isn't Howie teaching a course in "Elementary Siting of Bridges" out in a
university in Ontario?
> Brian Jack
Likely still hoping the police aren't as skilled as woodsmen as he is.
> Randy Carlyle
Coaching the IHL's Manitoba Moose.
Cheers,
Rog
Walter Krawec
Glen Hallick wrote:
>
> Furthermore the aged political warhorse, Herb Gray, has the nerve to
> trot out time after time that provincial Tory and NDP governments agreed
> to this compensation package. Here is a fine example of a Liberal
> powerbroker putting forth the concept that party loyal is paramount over
> doing the right thing.
>
> The Clark and Romanow governments along with all the other provincial
> are in the wrong by screwing the Hep C victims not covered by the
> compensation package.
>
For the record, the deal was approved by all ten provinces, two
territories, and the federal government. To pass it off as a strictly
federal scheme is just plain wrong.
Walter
Glen Hallick
Don Bayomi wrote:
>
> other peggers
snip.
>
> 4. panhandlers...
> I havent seen the "hearing impaired pencil selling guy" for a few months.
> This poor ol' soul, has a crooked back and passes out his deaf-mute card
> and asks for donations for pencils. (could that be the future of many of
> our computer programmers and graphics specialists after everybody burns
> out...life can deal you a pretty strange and rotten hand of cards
> sometimes...)
I bought pencils from him when I was attending the U of M. I also bought
pencils from him at Grant Park, Kildonan Place, Polo Park, and Unicity.
He sure got around. And I got a lot of pencils!
> Jesus of Osborne?>...havent seen em, maybe the squeegie kids attention
> caused the cops to move the man over a few.
>
> What about that LARGE scary guy downtown from last year. He would start
> screaming at people on the bus, on the street... I last saw him at the
> Bob larsen event at the UW when this guy was screaming about God and
> almost jumped on the stage to rail on the speaker. (ive seen this big guy
> before yelling at women and kids at the bus shelter. Eyes popping out,
> face red as hell, about 300 pounds.) He either got iced, or is in Selkirk
> mental.
>
I take partial credit for screwing up CKJS' programming regarding Bob
Larson. After listening to one his programs my cousin and I decided to
file a complaint with the CRTC. Whenever Larson's live program got a
little to much like hate they were required to run something else.
I even got on air with Larson and drove him up the wall. If you think I
can be nasty here then you should hear the tape of me and Larson.
I understand now CKJS doesn't carry his show anymore. I guess donations
from Manitoba dried up.
What is interesting is in Larson's divorce he finally had to ante up as
to what his real salary was. He had always claimed he never took more
than $70,000, which was less than one-tenth of his real salary. His home
in Denver was valued at more than $3 million.
Amazing how much a guy can make by twisting the Bible and demanding
money.
> ---
> Famous Ex Women Peggers ?
>
> Name some well known women who left winnipeg.
> (are there others besides tv people?)
>
> 1. CKY Tvs Shelly Swirski
> 2. CBC Sandra Lewis
I do beleive that Lewis is working for either WTN or CBC Newsworld.
Glen
Glen Hallick
Walter Krawec wrote:
>
> Glen Hallick wrote:
> >
> > Furthermore the aged political warhorse, Herb Gray, has the nerve to
> > trot out time after time that provincial Tory and NDP governments agreed
> > to this compensation package. Here is a fine example of a Liberal
> > powerbroker putting forth the concept that party loyal is paramount over
> > doing the right thing.
> >
> > The Clark and Romanow governments along with all the other provincial
> > are in the wrong by screwing the Hep C victims not covered by the
> > compensation package.
> >
>
> For the record, the deal was approved by all ten provinces, two
> territories, and the federal government. To pass it off as a strictly
> federal scheme is just plain wrong.
I agree. All the provincial governments deserve to sam criticism the
feds are going through. Let's not forget that Liberal backbenchers had a
great opportunity to make a real difference but instead chose the
_coward's_ way out. It's amazing they were stupid enough to believe
Chreiten's bluff.
Glen
Glen Hallick
Lloyd Nevins wrote:
>
> OKAY then how about:
>
> Wash and Ash
Gees, I used to listen to them Sunday mornings when they read the
comics.
> Murray Parker
If you can find Arvel Gray you will find Parker and his toupe.
> Evelyn Hart
> Harlequin(the band)
> Howard Pawley
Teaching political studies at a university in Ontario.
> Brian Jack
Taking a course on how to clean vechile interiors?
> Randy Carlyle
Here moosie, moosie, moosie.
Glen
Glen Hallick
Walter Krawec wrote:
>
> Glen Hallick wrote:
> >
> > area farm. I think it was shortly after he lost to Bill Norrie in a
> > mayoral election. That would have been during the mid 1980's.
> >
> > Having read both of Doern's books (the other being "The Battle Over
> > Bilingualism) I got the sense that he had changed a great deal over the
> > years.
> >
> > I'll give him credit for part of his analyis in his second book. That
> > being there far too many hangers-on from Ontario in key positions in the
> > Pawley government. They did not take in account the differences in the
> > political cultures between Manitoba and Ontario.
> >
> > That debate drew out at lot of closet bigots into the mainstream. Many
> > of them Tories.
>
> I am surprised to hear this. I read Russ Doern's book "Wednesdays are
> Cabinet Days" after Christmas. I thought it was going to be painfully
> dull, but it turned out to be a pleasant surprise. When I tried to find
> out more about Doern by searching through the Electronic Hansard, I was
> surprised to learn he had died, seeing how young he was. It's only now
> that I find out that he called his own number.
In this day and age a politicians couldn't get away with things like Ed
Schreyer and Joe Borowski did. Schreyer with his groups of cheerleaders
called "Schreyer Dolls". Borowski having one of his secretaries draw his
napkin across his lap when serving him coffee and a muffin.
I Doern was right in that Borowski was a mistake to recruit as a
candidate. He proved to be far more of a right-winger in his desires t
impose his views on society. I'm surprised that Schreyer tolerated him
for so long.
> I'd be interested to know the course Doern's life took after he wrote
> the first book... The author of Steve Juba's bio (Mike Czuboka ?)
> mentioned that he had lost a lot of credibility with the "vitriolic"
> attacks of his second book (which I never read, but only skimmed
> through.)
I think to the Elmwood NDP association had enough of Doern when it came
to the nomination meeting for the 1986 election. They chose Jim Maloway
as their candidate.
> I find that fairly intriguing...what could have prompted him
> to commit suicide ? Was the loss of the mayoral election the cause ? Or
> was it just the straw that broke the camel's back ?
I think it was the latter. I have no idea what Doern's personal life was
like. Indeed a great tradgey.
My impression is party members largely do not consider Doern to be of
the same mould as traitors like Elijah Harper or Jim Walding.
Glen
Walter Krawec
Glen Hallick wrote:
>
> I take partial credit for screwing up CKJS' programming regarding Bob
> Larson. After listening to one his programs my cousin and I decided to
> file a complaint with the CRTC. Whenever Larson's live program got a
> little to much like hate they were required to run something else.
>
> I even got on air with Larson and drove him up the wall. If you think I
> can be nasty here then you should hear the tape of me and Larson.
LOL... That guy's nuts. I do think that the protesters at his rally here
went a little too far (it would've been interesting to hear his
ranting). I occasionally listened to his show, just for the
entertainment value. I felt badly for the people who believed he was
genuine, though. One can't overestimate the importance of donations and
tithes to religions and ministries, but his methods of soliciting
donations verged on extortion.
So what did you say to him on the air ?? :)
Walter
PS- For whoever asked, ol' Sterling Rufus Lyon sits on the Court of
Appeal these days, IIRC.
Roger Strong
Glen Hallick wrote in message <354740...@escape.ca>...
>My impression is party members largely do not consider Doern to be of
>the same mould as traitors like Elijah Harper or Jim Walding.
Pardon my lack of knowledge of Manitoba politics, but do you think Elijah
Harper and Jim Walding are traitors, and if so, why?
Glen Hallick
bee...@gatewest.net wrote:
>
> On Wed, 29 Apr 1998 12:08:41 GMT, bay...@mbnet.mb.ca (Don Bayomi)
> wrote:
>
> >...havent seen em, maybe the squeegie kids attention
> >caused the cops to move the man over a few.
> >
>
> not impressed. Why would they think that a van that was washed last
> night would need the front and back windows cleaned???
I go been through Osborne Village quite often and have yet to be
approached by a sqeegee kid.
>
> I stopped at the light, had one dive for the front and one dive for
> the back......I waved the front one off, but he seemed not to care.
> Rex My buddie waved off the back one, but, again no response.
A determined businessman.
>
> I finally yelled out the window and gave him the finger....he
> understood, too well I guess because then we had 4 around the van
> screaming at us.
That's what needed in this world, more of a universal language.
> I don't need that kind off crap when I am driving. We
> yelled through 1 green light and I thought we may have to fight to get
> out.
Gees gut, you sat at an intersection through a green light. That's kinda
being a danger to the road, eh.
>
> Finally they moved and we proceeded, with the only damage being
> spittle over the back of my van.
Surely the slightly forward movement of your van when the light turned
green would seen the squeegee kids back off.
>
> Yep, I'm all for these rejects of society being able to threaten
> drivers to get a loonie.....Jesus.
Yep, I'm all for these people that sit at green lights sharing a
conversation with squeegee kids....Christ.
> I will not go home down Osborne
> again, that is for sure, nor will I let my wife drive anywhere near
> there.
One bad episode and your ready to avoid an entire section of Winnipeg? A
little over reacting perhaps.
>
> I feel like going back with a bat and cleaning house
Well you were screamed at and threatened, what's keeping you at home?
Glen
Walter Krawec
Glen Hallick wrote:
>
> bee...@gatewest.net wrote:
>
> One bad episode and your ready to avoid an entire section of Winnipeg? A
> little over reacting perhaps.
Not really... I find them to be a nuisance and a potential risk (ie.
hitting one), so I've begun using the Midtown Bridge to get to work
after school instead of the Osborne Bridge.
I have never given a Squeegee kid a cent, and I don't plan on doing
so... But frankly, going one route over to the east helps me evade the
entire problem. Maybe if more people did that, the business owners along
Osborne would sit up and take notice--not that they haven't already.
Norman Gall
In article <3547B4...@escape.ca>, Glen Hallick <ghal...@escape.ca> wrote:
>bee...@gatewest.net wrote:
>> I just came away from my first encounter with the squeegee kids. I was
>> not impressed. Why would they think that a van that was washed last
>> night would need the front and back windows cleaned???
>I go through Osborne Village quite often and have yet to be
>approached by a sqeegee kid.
I *live* in Osborne Village and get approached at River and Osborne every
morning and Osborne and Stradbrook every night.
I get one of them to do it maybe once a week when the windshield is
dirty. I simply wave them off politely, they say thanks, and that's that.
I have to say Don, I don't know if you just got a couple of dumb kids or
you just look mean, but I've been dealing with them pretty much ever since
i got to Winnipeg and *never* EVER had a problem -- I've never even seen a
problem.
Norm Gall
--
"Never ask a man what sort of computer he drives. If it's a Mac,
he'll tell you. If not, why embarrass him?" - Tom Clancy
Norman Gall
In article <3547DB...@escape.ca>, Glen Hallick <ghal...@escape.ca> wrote:
>Norman Gall wrote:
>> I *live* in Osborne Village and get approached at River and Osborne every
>> morning and Osborne and Stradbrook every night.
>So Norm, wadda ya think if part of the Village was dynamited to make the
>street into 6 lanes instead of 4?
It would be easier for me to get home, but I think a lot of people avoid
travelling through the village for just that reason. The additional
traffic might not be welcome.
>> I get one of them to do it maybe once a week when the windshield is
>> dirty. I simply wave them off politely, they say thanks, and that's
>> that.
>I would assume this is the common occurence for most people.
I'd argue that it is.
>> I have to say Don, I don't know if you just got a couple of dumb kids or
>> you just look mean, but I've been dealing with them pretty much ever since
>> i got to Winnipeg and *never* EVER had a problem -- I've never even seen a
>> problem.
>Maybe these kids were high? Maybe they are just assholes and it was Don'
>"luck" for him to be in the area at the time.
Could be, and I don't dispute Don's testimony, but it would be a mistake
to characterise his experience as typical.
Norm Gall
--
"The Bible is a book that has been read more and examined less than any
book that ever existed." - Thomas Paine
Craig
Glen Hallick wrote:
<snip>
> > 4. have motorists put a bright "stickon" in window says "no squeegie"
>
> Terrible flashback of the late '80's fad of "baby on board" signs in
> rear windows.
Hey, I had one of those in the rear window of my Hyundai Excel!
<snip>
Craig
--
**To reply remove the question marks from my address**
nev...@*anti-klik*freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
On Wed, 29 Apr 1998 15:36:00 GMT, Glen Hallick <ghal...@escape.ca>
wrote:
>
>
>> Randy Carlyle
>
>Here moosie, moosie, moosie.
>
Interesting. We don't here any Moose stories out here in wild
red neck country.
Don Bayomi
squeegie kids...the bad ones (transients) are giving good ones bad name
I talked to a few kids last year and they were truckin' arcross Canada and
said that Winnipeg had a good skate scene...and was okay with squeegie
kids.
The good squeegies should self-organize and establish some uniqe style.
What ends up happening is transient kids from Halifax or vancouver do the
squeegie for a few days, swear at a motorist and hit the next town.
The resident squeegie kids are left with everyone hating them.
Some ideas.
1. wear an "Im a winnipeg squeegie kid- name badge"
2. have a squeegie traffic lane, or set up in a ex-Gas Station
3. have them pass out free restaurant coupons to those who get wiped
4. have motorists put a bright "stickon" in window says "no squeegie"
5. have a "no chains around neck" rule for those wanting to wipe cars
6. offer more service to those who want to pull over, clean inside car
7. give these guys your number to cut your grass as an extra job
Anyhow, I first saw this squeegie idea in Paris about 10 years
ago....where the only black people in town were either squeeging the
windows or seling trinkets on the street.
Most kids think its fun, just like when they operate a rickshaw. But
eventually, it becomes a menial job where the owner collects the money and
those who can't get other work drag tourists on the rickshaw.
(I think there is still a few shoe shine stands in winnipeg..I saw the box
in Winnipeg square but no longer work down there)
--
Other peggers"
Murray Parker
his son does a real good "about winnipeg" show on VPW 11 every friday
nite. He has a shave head, great voice and real nice interview manner.
Murray's toupee has been on backwards for 30 years...just nobody ever had
nerve to tell him.
Red Alix
Him and Laurie were a team for quite some time on ob. Laurie does his
paper thing, (and never did give me a plug for my meetings after promising
twice and his helper amber?)...they wanted to take my picture in the
library one day, and I said nadda. (arent u all lucky:)
Red loves horses...as does the Kives family of Ktel fame (how the hell did
his Internet music business go so high in value?...)
Bob Larsen..
I loved his show, you learned so much about world religions and the dark
side :> I was on air once and railed against him...but I hated the way
they treated him at the UW...there is still free speech. That was the day
that 300 pound crazy man went nuts, and about 10 anti-rasists screamed at
a few well known winnipeg neo-nazis.
frankly, the one anti-rasist was a total jerk...and could have caused a
violent erruption which would have hurt innocent people. He yelled into a
megaphone into these people ears, and everyone around them.
I think if more people would have yelled, then had a rational conversation
with some of these skinhead, maybe..just maybe you could modify some of
their attitude...but instead they left as martyrs.
I find it hard to believe that although the mob that nite was scary (I
felt I was witnessing history and about to become a statistic in winnpegs
first mass fight and possible deaths) ...I find it hard to believe that
Bob Larson packed it in..after this.
He could have controlled the crowd better...but he let the opposition
shout him down...what kind of a rational approach was that, especially
from students who encourage alternative ideas.
Sure bob was wrong in many ways...but just like the Peter waren incident
when he threw out the Promise keeper leader.
(did I hear right that the Jewish celebration at the Convention centre is
not allowing in any palestinians, or others or alternative views? ...i
heard something on Radio at 4pm today...unless that was out of Winnipeg.)
WorkMan Compensation.
they had 4 huge moving vans today moving stuff out of Portage/Maryland.
They also closed the office on Portage at Broadway.
Opened up one on Sherbrook..maybe thats where the protestor will be
sittin.
(If I was loaded with cash, and nothing better to do...I would sit in his
same spot on Portage and see if I could last 2 hours before the cops told
me to get the hell off the street. How he managed to stay so long, I could
never figure it out.)
Brian Jack...
yes, what ever happened to some of our other infamous peggers and their
poor victims.
yesterday was a tribute day to those hurt on the job (like that poor guy
who got 80% burns from working for a duct cleaning company...good god)
Today, some poor 30 year old was taken to hospital after a huge thing hit
him on the head and back. Lets hope he will recover....it sounds really
bad.
Too damn many students get jobs and get injured because they dont know
what the limitations are...it was common 5 years ago to have kids weld
tanks, and some of them exploded.
Sophonow...
--
I saw two older guys on hogs last nite...I was 60% sure it was Prysianski.
I know he rides but couldnt confirm. The two were riding side by side, and
I was just waiting for the crash.
I get especially nervous when I see teens on new motorcycles try to show
off...I wish I could call their mothers and tell them their kid might need
to get scooped up off the pavement unless he gets the maturity required to
ride with your life on the line.
I saw a guy on Ellice in his suit on a motorcyle, dress shoes, no gloves.
(there should be a mandatory law on basic safe wearing apparel for
motorcycles)
--
MEETINGS:
Polaroid is having a free demo at Radison on May 5, 6
Computer Expo this weekend
Freenet meeting in May to see whats up
--
PS: ALIEN UFO Spotted over Winnipeg this weekend?
If anyone wants to go half'ers Im thinking about launching a night time
UFO with a hot air balloon. (total cost $40)
Im not sure yet where to do it...but hopefully it will get coverage:)
Later, if anyone wants we can figure out how to do a crop circle.
(thats what the grafitti kids should be doing ...alot more creative:)
Lets see...should I hit the erase and wipe out this whole message, or ...
nah...since those who don't like reading it would't even get this far:)
see ya
Glen Hallick
Walter Krawec wrote:
>
> Glen Hallick wrote:
> >
> > bee...@gatewest.net wrote:
> >
> > One bad episode and your ready to avoid an entire section of Winnipeg? A
> > little over reacting perhaps.
>
> Not really... I find them to be a nuisance and a potential risk (ie.
> hitting one), so I've begun using the Midtown Bridge to get to work
> after school instead of the Osborne Bridge.
Plus Osborne can be so backed up anyways. Sometimes I think it should be
a one way.
>
> I have never given a Squeegee kid a cent, and I don't plan on doing
> so... But frankly, going one route over to the east helps me evade the
> entire problem. Maybe if more people did that, the business owners along
> Osborne would sit up and take notice--not that they haven't already.
>
It's the Osborne Biz that is pushing to have these kids removed. To me
it all smacks of if there is not poverty to be seen then it doesn't
exist. It's just like the panhandlers.
Glen
Glen Hallick
Don Bayomi wrote:
>
> squeegie kids...the bad ones (transients) are giving good ones bad name
>
> I talked to a few kids last year and they were truckin' arcross Canada and
> said that Winnipeg had a good skate scene...and was okay with squeegie
> kids.
>
> The good squeegies should self-organize and establish some uniqe style.
>
> What ends up happening is transient kids from Halifax or vancouver do the
> squeegie for a few days, swear at a motorist and hit the next town.
>
> The resident squeegie kids are left with everyone hating them.
>
> Some ideas.
> 1. wear an "Im a winnipeg squeegie kid- name badge"
Sorry man, but I can't image a sqeegee kid wearing a geeky name tag. It
would definately clash with their attire.
> 2. have a squeegie traffic lane, or set up in a ex-Gas Station
A squeegee traffic lane would certainly help of the cause of Village
being pushed back from the street with dynamite, he-he.
An old gas station would defeat the purpose. Few drivers would pull off
the road to have the windows on their vechiles cleaned.
> 3. have them pass out free restaurant coupons to those who get wiped
A great idea. The only problem is finding a restaurant willing to help
out.
> 4. have motorists put a bright "stickon" in window says "no squeegie"
Terrible flashback of the late '80's fad of "baby on board" signs in
rear windows.
> 5. have a "no chains around neck" rule for those wanting to wipe cars
Since I haven't had the squeegee experience I have no idea what you;re
talking about.
> 6. offer more service to those who want to pull over, clean inside car
An interesting idea.
> 7. give these guys your number to cut your grass as an extra job
If you got a riding mower and at least a six pack in the fridge I'll be
over Sunday afternoon.
>
> Anyhow, I first saw this squeegie idea in Paris about 10 years
> ago....where the only black people in town were either squeeging the
> windows or seling trinkets on the street.
Poverty gimmicks do have a way of spreading.
>
> Most kids think its fun, just like when they operate a rickshaw. But
> eventually, it becomes a menial job where the owner collects the money > and
> those who can't get other work drag tourists on the rickshaw.
I think most of the squeegee kids do it just to get by. There might some
kids doing it for fun and that don't need the money.
> Murray Parker
> his son does a real good "about winnipeg" show on VPW 11 every friday
> nite. He has a shave head, great voice and real nice interview manner.
A statement about his dad's awful toupe.
>
> Murray's toupee has been on backwards for 30 years...just nobody ever > had
> nerve to tell him.
I guess it was a real turn on for Arvil Gray.
>
> Red Alix
> Him and Laurie were a team for quite some time on ob. Laurie does his
> paper thing, (and never did give me a plug for my meetings after promising
> twice and his helper amber?)...they wanted to take my picture in the
> library one day, and I said nadda. (arent u all lucky:)
>
> Red loves horses...as does the Kives family of Ktel fame (how the hell did
> his Internet music business go so high in value?...)
>
> Bob Larsen..
>
> I loved his show, you learned so much about world religions and the dark
> side :> I was on air once and railed against him...but I hated the way
> they treated him at the UW...there is still free speech.
Yes there is and the protestors excerised their right to free speech. I
have no problem in a money grubbing con-artist and hatemongerer like Bob
Larson having treated like that. He had a $3 million mansion to go home
to in Denver.
> That was the day
> that 300 pound crazy man went nuts, and about 10 anti-rasists screamed > at
> a few well known winnipeg neo-nazis.
The world does come to Winnipeg.
>
> frankly, the one anti-rasist was a total jerk...and could have caused a
> violent erruption which would have hurt innocent people. He yelled into a
> megaphone into these people ears, and everyone around them.
>
> I think if more people would have yelled, then had a rational conversation
> with some of these skinhead, maybe..just maybe you could modify some of
> their attitude...but instead they left as martyrs.
If the skinhead was a racist then I serious doubt that a rational
conversation would have been possible.
>
> I find it hard to believe that although the mob that nite was scary (I
> felt I was witnessing history and about to become a statistic in winnpegs
> first mass fight and possible deaths) ...I find it hard to believe that
> Bob Larson packed it in..after this.
Larson was not getting the donations out of Manitoba as he used to.
Thanks to the CRTC and a little bit of citizen's initaitive the great
Colorado con-artist got CKJS in a little bit of trouble.
>
> He could have controlled the crowd better...but he let the opposition
> shout him down...what kind of a rational approach was that, especially
> from students who encourage alternative ideas.
First of all Bob Larson is _not_ a rational man. He was and still is a
money grubbing con artist and hatemongerer. I think he deserved what he
got.
>
> Sure bob was wrong in many ways...but just like the Peter waren incident
> when he threw out the Promise keeper leader.
I suggest that you surf the net to take a look at what kind of criminal
Bob Larson really is. I think the court documents reagarding his divorce
as still available somewhere.
snip.
>
> Brian Jack...
> yes, what ever happened to some of our other infamous peggers and their
> poor victims.
>
> yesterday was a tribute day to those hurt on the job (like that poor guy
> who got 80% burns from working for a duct cleaning company...good god)
>
> Today, some poor 30 year old was taken to hospital after a huge thing hit
> him on the head and back. Lets hope he will recover....it sounds really
> bad.
Workplace accidents have been on the increase for several years. Major
causes are fewer inspectors and relaxing many of the workplace safety
regulations.
Now if cops got hurt and killed as often as workers then something would
be done about it.
>
> Too damn many students get jobs and get injured because they dont know
> what the limitations are...it was common 5 years ago to have kids weld
> tanks, and some of them exploded.
Hell I know of an experienced welder that never properly cleaned out the
gas tanker he was welding in. After the big "KABOOM" he noticed that his
brother, who had been outside of the tanker, was missing a large chunk
of his head.
> Sophonow...
I tend to think he's innocent.
>
> --
> I saw two older guys on hogs last nite...I was 60% sure it was Prysianski.
>
> I know he rides but couldnt confirm. The two were riding side by side, and
> I was just waiting for the crash.
Nah, he was just getting t the minimum distance the restraining order
his ex-wife has on him.
>
> I get especially nervous when I see teens on new motorcycles try to show
> off...I wish I could call their mothers and tell them their kid might need
> to get scooped up off the pavement unless he gets the maturity required to
> ride with your life on the line.
Personal experice tells me the most dangerous vechile is one filled with
16 years old boys out joy riding.
wnip.
>
> --
> PS: ALIEN UFO Spotted over Winnipeg this weekend?
The space-people know that Winnipeg is a great place to be from.
>
> If anyone wants to go half'ers Im thinking about launching a night time
> UFO with a hot air balloon. (total cost $40)
>
> Im not sure yet where to do it...but hopefully it will get coverage:)
Sounds rather tempting.
>
> Later, if anyone wants we can figure out how to do a crop circle.
> (thats what the grafitti kids should be doing ...alot more creative:)
There's time to do some research as most of the fields have yet to be
seeded.
But then your luck might turn against you. Not that you'll get caught,
but rather a wind storm will knock down most of the crop thus hiding the
crop circles.
Glen
Glen Hallick
Norman Gall wrote:
>
> In article <3547B4...@escape.ca>, Glen Hallick <ghal...@escape.ca> wrote:
>
> >bee...@gatewest.net wrote:
>
> >> I just came away from my first encounter with the squeegee kids. I was
> >> not impressed. Why would they think that a van that was washed last
> >> night would need the front and back windows cleaned???
>
> >I go through Osborne Village quite often and have yet to be
> >approached by a sqeegee kid.
>
> morning and Osborne and Stradbrook every night.
So Norm, wadda ya think if part of the Village was dynamited to make the
street into 6 lanes instead of 4?
>
> I get one of them to do it maybe once a week when the windshield is
> dirty. I simply wave them off politely, they say thanks, and that's > that.
I would assume this is the common occurence for most people.
>
> I have to say Don, I don't know if you just got a couple of dumb kids or
> you just look mean, but I've been dealing with them pretty much ever since
> i got to Winnipeg and *never* EVER had a problem -- I've never even seen a
> problem.
Maybe these kids were high? Maybe they are just assholes and it was Don'
"luck" for him to be in the area at the time.
Glen
Glen Hallick
Walter Krawec wrote:
>
> Glen Hallick wrote:
> >
> > Larson. After listening to one his programs my cousin and I decided to
> > file a complaint with the CRTC. Whenever Larson's live program got a
> > little to much like hate they were required to run something else.
> >
> > I even got on air with Larson and drove him up the wall. If you think I
> > can be nasty here then you should hear the tape of me and Larson.
>
> LOL... That guy's nuts. I do think that the protesters at his rally here
> went a little too far (it would've been interesting to hear his
> ranting).
Would that have been his Winnipeg appearance back in '95? I would have
like to attended the protest but I bust canvassing for Conrad Santos.
> I occasionally listened to his show, just for the
> entertainment value. I felt badly for the people who believed he was
> genuine, though.
I know of one person that donated to Larson. That's besides myself. I
once made out a money order for 2 cents and sent it to him. I think the
cheap bastard probably cashed it.
> One can't overestimate the importance of donations and
> tithes to religions and ministries, but his methods of soliciting
> donations verged on extortion.
Extortion is an excellent word to describe his tactics.
>
> So what did you say to him on the air ??
The truth. I'll dig up the tape (I sent away to his ministires for it)
one of these days.
I got him riled up near the first of half his show. He began the second
half with a lengthy tirade against me. The latter part was delayed in
Winnipeg until 11pm. Gudmundson, my cousin Tom and I were cruising the
streets in his Mustang. When the second part began, Darren had to pull
over because he was laughing so hard.
Glen
gut
Norman Gall wrote:
> I have to say Don, I don't know if you just got a couple of dumb kids or
> you just look mean, but I've been dealing with them pretty much ever since
> i got to Winnipeg and *never* EVER had a problem -- I've never even seen a
> problem.
Well a Porterhouse steak and bbq later, I am no longer mad. First off
Norm, I don't look mean, I'm cute!! ( just ask my wife ) ;)
I guess that dealing with these kids on a regular basis you _could_
become accustomed to the procedure. What I don't understand is I just
had the Van detailed and it was not dirty. The kids would not take no
for an answer.....I dunno why. As this was my first and last experience
with them, I ( using hindsight now ) may have dealt with the problem
better. I could have caved and just flipped them a loonie as toll for
travelling that street.
Seriously though, when I am sworn at, by 4 kids, I get annoyed. I do not
think for 1 minuite these kids are poor. When I opened my door, a reflex
action, puff they was 4 instead of 2. The _discussion lasted through the
green light and people were honking so we all gave up.
That is no excuse for spitting on my van, darn good thing I didn't see
it. There just seems to be a lack of respect.
If someone came and mowed your grass, unwanted, would you pay?
If you didn't pay and he then urinated on your grass would you be mad?
But the tummy is full and all is well !
cheers
beergut
--
ICQ # 833152
add the "beer"
to get me by e-mail
Opus-
>> >I go through Osborne Village quite often and have yet to be
>> >approached by a sqeegee kid.
>>
>> I *live* in Osborne Village and get approached at River and Osborne every
>> morning and Osborne and Stradbrook every night.
>
>So Norm, wadda ya think if part of the Village was dynamited to make the
>street into 6 lanes instead of 4?
Works for me.
>> I get one of them to do it maybe once a week when the windshield is
>> dirty. I simply wave them off politely, they say thanks, and that's > that.
>
>I would assume this is the common occurence for most people.
Works for me.
>> I have to say Don, I don't know if you just got a couple of dumb kids or
>> you just look mean, but I've been dealing with them pretty much ever since
>> i got to Winnipeg and *never* EVER had a problem -- I've never even seen a
>> problem.
>
>
>Maybe these kids were high? Maybe they are just assholes and it was Don'
>"luck" for him to be in the area at the time.
Maybe Don really does look mean.
"I am Bill Gates of Borg. You will be assimilated.
Resistance is fut -GENERAL PROTECTION FAULT in BORG.EXE-"
http://members.tripod.com/~jbuchy
Opus-
In article <3547F6DD...@mb.sympatico.ca>, Craig <schools???@mb.sympatico.ca> wrote:
>Glen Hallick wrote:
>
><snip>
>
>> > 4. have motorists put a bright "stickon" in window says "no squeegie"
>>
>> Terrible flashback of the late '80's fad of "baby on board" signs in
>> rear windows.
>
Lines up with my hood ornament quite nicely, sorta like cross-hairs.
gut
Giovanni Militano wrote:
>
b/c they swore at you says something about your character and the
> manner in which you rub people.
I hate to say this, but you may have something there. I have found
myself getting mad on this group on a few occasions. I may be taking
life far to seriously.
I believe that I need a long talking to by my daughter. Nothing like a
child's point of view to bring you back to reality.
beergut
> --
> Giovanni Militano | Civil Engineering | In a perfect world,
> ummi...@cc.UManitoba.CA | Graduate Studies | everything would be a
> <www.Militano.com> | University of Manitoba | linear elastic isotopic
> <http://home.cc.UManitoba.CA/~ummilit2> | material!
Rog
gut wrote:
> Seriously though, when I am sworn at, by 4 kids, I get annoyed. I do not
> think for 1 minuite these kids are poor. When I opened my door, a reflex
> action, puff they was 4 instead of 2. The _discussion lasted through the
> green light and people were honking so we all gave up.
I recall when the "Squegee Kids" first began to appear at Stradbrook & Osborne
and also at Broadway & Osborne. The few kids who were squeegee-ing were
remarkably polite, very efficient and they knew how to get out of traffic's way
once a light turned green. You very rarely were delayed because of some kid
trying to get their squeegee fee after the light changed.
Now, however, you have about 5 times the squeegee "staff" working an
intersection. Some of these kids squeegee for money to live on, while others
apparently find it "kewl" to hang out and squeegee the odd car. The people who
squeegee for a living generally are not a problem, its the posers who are there
for
other reasons that seem to lack the skills to get out of the way of traffic. I
almost ran over one girl a couple of weeks ago. The light was green, all the
traffic was proceeding through Osborne, and this one kid, tempting the hand of
Darwin, tried to cross Stradbrook through moving traffic. This kid was obviously
a "River Heights" street kid... all the new boots and leather, GAP jeans, etc.
Not the wardrobe your typical street kid runs around in.
Its always the amateurs who ruin it for the pros..
Rog
BTW, this issue has recieved a fair bit of TV coverage recently. Did anybody see
the squeegee kid in city hall lobbying with Nick Ternette and "The Association
of Unemployed Canadians (??)".... the squeegee guy was on camera wearing a
bright orange vest with reflective tape on it, leaving the impression that he's
a very safe squeegee guy who's concerned with visibility in traffic. Has anybody
every seen a squeegee guy wearing a safety vest? Didn't think so. T'was a nice
touch for the news-bite though. Good coaching!
Norman Gall
> the squeegee guy was on camera wearing a
>bright orange vest with reflective tape on it, leaving the impression that he's
>a very safe squeegee guy who's concerned with visibility in traffic. Has
>anybody ever seen a squeegee guy wearing a safety vest?
While certainly not the norm, yes. There are three different guys at
Osborne and River and Osborne and Stradbrook that wear them.
But then, if you're paying attention to traffic ahead of you, do you
really *need* to have the guy wear a flashing light on his head? If people
paid half as much attention to what's going on on the road ahead of them
rather than crack jokes at the "weird lookin' kids" or worrying that one
of them might hijack you to Cuba, there'd be little to concern yourself
with.
>Didn't think so.
Uh huh; the last word seems superfluous.
Norm Gall
--
"God is a comedian playing to an audience too afraid to laugh."
- Voltaire
Andrew J. Toms
Surprisingly I see them on a daily basis and I refuse the wash (who knows
what's in the water pail) but I've never been bothered by them and haven't
seen any problems the times I've gone through the intersections I Guess you
just had some bad luck Gut.
gut wrote in message <3547F2...@lilos.net>...
>Norman Gall wrote:
>
>> I have to say Don, I don't know if you just got a couple of dumb kids or
>> you just look mean, but I've been dealing with them pretty much ever
since
>> i got to Winnipeg and *never* EVER had a problem -- I've never even seen
a
>> problem.
>
>Well a Porterhouse steak and bbq later, I am no longer mad. First off
>Norm, I don't look mean, I'm cute!! ( just ask my wife ) ;)
>
>I guess that dealing with these kids on a regular basis you _could_
>become accustomed to the procedure. What I don't understand is I just
>had the Van detailed and it was not dirty. The kids would not take no
>for an answer.....I dunno why. As this was my first and last experience
>with them, I ( using hindsight now ) may have dealt with the problem
>better. I could have caved and just flipped them a loonie as toll for
>travelling that street.
>
>Seriously though, when I am sworn at, by 4 kids, I get annoyed. I do not
>think for 1 minuite these kids are poor. When I opened my door, a reflex
>action, puff they was 4 instead of 2. The _discussion lasted through the
>green light and people were honking so we all gave up.
>
>That is no excuse for spitting on my van, darn good thing I didn't see
>it. There just seems to be a lack of respect.
>
>If someone came and mowed your grass, unwanted, would you pay?
>If you didn't pay and he then urinated on your grass would you be mad?
>
>But the tummy is full and all is well !
>
>cheers
>beergut
>
>
Rog
Norman Gall wrote:
> While certainly not the norm, yes. There are three different guys at
> Osborne and River and Osborne and Stradbrook that wear them.
>
I'm travelling through these interesections daily to and from my offices. I have not
seen a squeegee person wearing a safety vest yet. Maybe these three work at times
that I'm not in the area. You've likely seen the three smartest squeegee-ers.
> But then, if you're paying attention to traffic ahead of you, do you
> really *need* to have the guy wear a flashing light on his head? If people
> paid half as much attention to what's going on on the road ahead of them
> rather than crack jokes at the "weird lookin' kids" or worrying that one
> of them might hijack you to Cuba, there'd be little to concern yourself
> with.
>
Unfortunately, your assumption is incorrect. Who's investigating a need
for a flashing light on someone's head (other than you)? I was raising the issue
of safety vests and I was curious if are they actually worn by people who are doing
squeegee work in traffic. If some of them are wearing this kind of safety gear, I
commend them for it. It displays the same common sense as joggers who wear
reflective tape at night, cyclists who have reflective clothes, and last but not
least, construction workers and crossing guards who also work in areas of traffic
and wear vests too.
The people who drive in my car-pool to work are by and large attentive drivers with
maximum merit points. They drive prudently. It is precisely their driving and
attentiveness that has on occassion saved the skin (and likely a few months in
traction) of a couple of squeegee kids when the sloppy ones have forgotten that
they're trying to work in traffic.
Again, the ones who know their business do not obstruct traffic. It's the sloppy
ones who give their small "industry" a bad name.
If all the close calls between squeegee kids and traffic are caused by bad, gawking
drivers that would be one thing, but I think if you did some more thinking about it,
you'd likely conlcude that this is not the case. There is a responsibility that
those who work on roads must follow also.
Rog
Norman Gall
>Norman Gall wrote:
>> While certainly not the norm, yes. There are three different guys at
>> Osborne and River and Osborne and Stradbrook that wear them.
>I'm travelling through these interesections daily to and from my offices.
I have not
>seen a squeegee person wearing a safety vest yet. Maybe these three work
at times
>that I'm not in the area. You've likely seen the three smartest squeegee-ers.
Could be. I come and go at irregular hours.
>> But then, if you're paying attention to traffic ahead of you, do you
>> really *need* to have the guy wear a flashing light on his head? If people
>> paid half as much attention to what's going on on the road ahead of them
>> rather than crack jokes at the "weird lookin' kids" or worrying that one
>> of them might hijack you to Cuba, there'd be little to concern yourself
>> with.
>Unfortunately, your assumption is incorrect.
What assumption did I make that is incorrect?
>Who's investigating a need
>for a flashing light on someone's head (other than you)? I was raising
the issue
>of safety vests and I was curious if are they actually worn by people who
are doing
>squeegee work in traffic.
Quite right. I raised a further issue of the *necessity* (and not the
prudence; I think that's beyond question) for such gear.
>The people who drive in my car-pool to work are by and large attentive
drivers with
>maximum merit points. They drive prudently. It is precisely their driving and
>attentiveness that has on occassion saved the skin (and likely a few months in
>traction) of a couple of squeegee kids when the sloppy ones have forgotten that
>they're trying to work in traffic.
Just so.
>Again, the ones who know their business do not obstruct traffic. It's the
sloppy
>ones who give their small "industry" a bad name.
Agreed.
>If all the close calls between squeegee kids and traffic are caused by
bad, gawking
>drivers that would be one thing, but I think if you did some more
thinking about it,
>you'd likely conlcude that this is not the case.
Well, that really wasn't my point. It's the bad driver who *aren't*
gawking, but playing with themselves that are the problem. Winnipeg
drivers, by and large, simply do not pay adequate attention to what is
going on around them, the road conditions, or even the structure of the
road on which they travel.
A digression to illustrate:
At Portage and St. Mary, the northbound lanes of St. Mary can make left or
right turn onto Portage or continue straight onto Spence. However, the
majority of traffic, two lanes worth, make the left turn onto westbound
Portage. Westbound Portage, is three lanes, plus a parking lane, wide.
The northbound St. Mary drivers must turn into the two *inner*lanes of
westbound Portage. However, the rightmost northbound St. Mary drivers
making the left hand turn routinely turn into the third innermost lane
(i.e., the lane next to the parking lane). I can see this intersection
from my office window. At the last light change, *all* twelve cars that
should have turned into the second innermost lane failed to do so. A bus
was cut off. A cyclist was forced out of her lane, and two other cars
nearly collided. With only the slightest bit of knowledge of the rules and
paying only enough attention to see where the lanes are would avoid these
sorts of things -- and I'm sure everyone here can attest to other 'pet
peeve' intersections.
If you are stopped at a light where these kids are, you can see that there
are kids. Look for them and avoid them. Your buddies were wathcing for
the moron kids with their heads stuck up their ass and did their jobs. If
even most driveers did so at these lights, there'd be that much less to
bitch about.
>There is a responsibility that those who work on roads must follow also.
Certainly. No quibbles here.
Norm Gall
--
"The purpose of law is to turn passion into reason."
- F. R. Scott,
Don Bayomi
the orange vest- your question has anyone seen a squeegie wear one?
I think I saw one squeegie guy with an orange vest.
I wear one when i ride my hog...(actually its a moped, but when it speeds
up to 20km it thinks its a hog:)
Squeegie kids:
I often also wonder how many with the special hair(no hair) treatments are
on the side of good or no-good. (many look like your typical neonazi
skinheads out of any major city)
Ice Cream bikes
Did you ever notice how many rough looking guys were operating those ice
cream bikes a few years ago? I heard that some were selling a little more
than just ice cream. The special was the "snow cone" and it wasn't
icecream. Could you ask for a better way to be on the street on a
regular basis to serve your regular customers....hmmm
Reichman family tv show tonite?
I think theres a show on tv about the billionaire liquor sellers the
Reichmans. Winnipeg has a role to play in the past as one of the biggest
liquor smuggling, bootleg operations in Canada.
(hopefully I am not wrong and should be referring to Bronfmans:)
You sometimes have to really wonder how people can get that rich selling
your average widgets.
The secrets that are buried in Winnipegs business past are probably so
murky that it would crumble the foundation of the grain trade.
Its much easier to prosecute a squeegie kid than the owner of a garment
factory who ripped off hundreds of staff and government funding bodies for
milions when they changed ownership. (was a common occurence inthe 1970s
80s in Winnipeg)
--
Whats happening with.
1. Assin Park - New Fancy Restaurant?
the plan to put a highclass restaurant in Pavillion at Assin Park
(I guess that will kill the ice cream stand inside...and probably have a
no cutoffs, or topless girl policy :0... tuxedos only)
2. The Movable Bridge Restaurant idea
Someone wanted to put a restaurant in that big bridge in Winnipeg...no
word about it lately. Unless WOW restaurant jumps in, since they are the
new movers and shakers...are about to get approval to restaurant in that
house on Wellington crescent.
3. Anybody try that new cafe on Asiiniboine?
Some kind of an artists hangout opened...I havent seen it yet.
4. Isn't there a no peeing policy on the street?
About an hour before that fire on Isabel...I saw a guy using the side of
the building next door for a toilet - #1. Lots of traffic....I havent
seen that since main street.
I felt like giving him a free ticket for the movie "Full Monty"...maybe he
could make a fe bucks in his new act and not have to rely on panhandling.
hmmm....yeah, if only someone could organize the panhandlers and squeegie
kids to become exotic dancers, then the women would make these guys rich
enough to buy Osborne village..and they could keep all the hoyty toyty
complainers out :)
or...at least get some entrepreneur to make a "squeegie boys calendar" or
why not a rap group..."The Squeegie 5"
---
I'm still looking for suggestions on where I should launch my fake UFO
balloon on Sat or sunday nite. (i need some way of adding tiny lights that
wont be too heavy for a 3 foot balloon)
...maybe I won't have that 8th cup of coffee :)
g'day
cam and or nenette remove trailing 666
On Thu, 30 Apr 1998 02:40:54 GMT, Glen Hallick <ghal...@escape.ca>
added to the entropy with:
>>
>> So what did you say to him [Bob Larsen] on the air ??
>
>I got him riled up near the first of half his show. He began the second
>half with a lengthy tirade against me. The latter part was delayed in
>Winnipeg until 11pm. Gudmundson, my cousin Tom and I were cruising the
>streets in his Mustang. When the second part began, Darren had to pull
>over because he was laughing so hard.
I've never heard his show on the radio, but I've visited many of the
Bob Larsen mockery pages, complete with real audio. Some of the
people that call just to rile him up left me laughing for days! :-)
cam
cam and or nenette remove trailing 666
On Thu, 30 Apr 1998 05:16:37 GMT, pdu...@pli.mb.ca (Perry Dueck) added
to the entropy with:
>I am not for squeegee kids anywheres. If they wanna clean windsheilds,
>there's plenty of job listings in the Winnipeg Free Press on a daily basis
>for the position of gas jockey's at gas stations.
>
>Side Note:
>If these squeegee'ers took the time to make themselves look respectable
>(let their hair return to it's natural color, get a halfways mainstream
>haircut, and lose all the facial body piercings as well as all the 24
>karate gold chains and jewelery) and not like some road warriors that
>stepped out of a Mad Max movie, I bet a lot of them would get hired.
It's likely that they make far more as "squeegee kids" than they would
for minimum wage at a gas station, where they also have to pay taxes
on their official income, and do exactly what the boss says.
I take offense that people wouldn't hire somebody just because they
look like a "road warrior". If you can't get past what somebody looks
like, you play a part in contributing to the lack of "real" jobs for
them. What the hell does it matter what they look like - will it
somehow affect their job performance? The only thing it will affect
is people who don't want to shop there because of what the employees
look like - which is the same problem.
That being said, I dislike being harassed walking on the street or in
a vehicle stopped at a light by people that want money. Do it without
harassment, and stay off the road!
cam
nev...@*anti-klik*freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
On Thu, 30 Apr 1998 12:41:49 GMT, gut <g...@lilos.net> wrote:
>
>I hate to say this, but you may have something there. I have found
>myself getting mad on this group on a few occasions. I may be taking
>life far to seriously.
>
There is no point in getting mad since this a recreation of sorts.
Most things I've written to usenet were with a smirk on my face,
especially to those Alberta groups (it's fun watching the red necks
squeal like a pig - insert more dualing banjo music). Though I am
earnest on many subjects I just realize that the world will never
share all(most?) of my opinions.
Norman Gall
In article <pdueck-3004...@dial24.pli.mb.ca>, pdu...@pli.mb.ca
(Perry Dueck) wrote:
>I have a greater concern than just the squeegee kids...
>
>What's to stop anyone from plying their trade at any time in the midst of
>traffic on the streets of Winnipeg? If there is no legalities from
>preventing people in attempting to wash your windsheild on the street,
>what next....?
Well, there aren't now and never have been.
>Will we have to fend off long distance telephone representatives trying to
>sign you up on their plan in between red lights?
When was the last time a guy from Great-West Life did this? They've been
around longer than the kids.... if it was worthwhile, why wouldnt' they
have already done so? It isn't, hence they haven't.
>Or how about someone
>stepping up to your car window in the midst of traffic and attempting to
>sell you trinkets and crafts....the possibilities to do commerce on the
>street during a red light are endless.
...and have been possibilities for decades. And since it is a such a good
idea absolutely no one has taken to selling baubles at traffic lights
here.
>I see streets turning into a
>free-for-all for anyone to do as they please.
Good god! You mean a free society? Wow!
>Traffic jams and slow downs, car/pedestrian accidents, lawsuits, etc.
Get out of Rosenort more often.
>Back to the squeegee issue: If these squeegee'ers got together, purchased
>a lot where vehicles could drive into, and applied their windshield
>washing trade there, how many vehicles do you think would actually drive
>onto the lot to let their windshields get cleaned?...My guess would be
>very very few.
So?
>I believe it's all been tolerated so far because no squeegee kid has been
>run over as of yet, and/or because no squeegee kid has sued any motorist
>for accidentally bumping into them (that I know of). It's only a matter of
>time before something goes wrong, and people will stop seeing this as a
>"cute business venture by homeless young adults".
Sort of like every other business in the world?
Norm Gall
--
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance." - Socrates
Roger Strong
Norman Gall wrote in message ...
>>If there is no legalities from
>>preventing people in attempting to wash your windsheild on the street,
>>what next....?
>Well, there aren't now and never have been.
In the middle of the street? There SHOULD be laws against it, in the
interests of safety alone.
>>Will we have to fend off long distance telephone representatives trying to
>>sign you up on their plan in between red lights?
>When was the last time a guy from Great-West Life did this?
Shhhhhhh..... We don't want to give Investors Group any (more) ideas.
>>Or how about someone
>>stepping up to your car window in the midst of traffic and attempting to
>>sell you trinkets and crafts.
>>I see streets turning into a
>>free-for-all for anyone to do as they please.
>Good god! You mean a free society? Wow!
Bull. Having a free society doesn't mean throwing common sense out the
window, and not recognizing human nature. That's why we have traffic laws
(and other laws).
Also, there was a news show on TV about a year back... In some American
cities, there are people selling things at stop lights. They have the same,
but greater, safety, traffic delay and toll/extortion problems. Plus fraud
and stolen property issues. IMHO this problem will spread here too, just
like squeegee kids, telemarketing, cat juggling and the Reform Party.
>>I believe it's all been tolerated so far because no squeegee kid has been
>>run over as of yet, and/or because no squeegee kid has sued any motorist
>>for accidentally bumping into them (that I know of). It's only a matter of
>>time before something goes wrong, and people will stop seeing this as a
>>"cute business venture by homeless young adults".
>
>Sort of like every other business in the world?
No. Sometimes common sense kicks in BEFORE someone gets killed.
Jim Townsend
Perry Dueck wrote in message ...
>
>I have a greater concern than just the squeegee kids...
>
>What's to stop anyone from plying their trade at any time in the midst of
>traffic on the streets of Winnipeg? If there is no legalities from
>preventing people in attempting to wash your windsheild on the street,
>what next....?
>
>Will we have to fend off long distance telephone representatives trying to
>sign you up on their plan in between red lights? Or how about someone
>stepping up to your car window in the midst of traffic and attempting to
>sell you trinkets and crafts....
You bring up a very good point Perry. I've driven down in Florida and
California in the past couple of years. And YES.. it is common to see
people sitting at busy traffic lights, tapping on windows and trying to
peddle trinkets. It's only a matter of time before we see that here.
I especially recall a large unsavory fellow in south Miami with an armful of
giant balloons. When the cars stopped for a light, he waded into traffic and
began pounding on car windows with his fist to get the driver's attention.
When you get enough people on a busy roadway on other than a crosswalk, it
is inevitable there will be accidents either through the inattention of a
driver, a vendor/squeege person or both.
The middle of a roadway just isn't the place for pedestrians and as such, I
think this is justification enough to stop the practice.
Don Bayomi
squeegies...give them Lotto Tickets/instant win coupons
I am no great fan of the squeegies but do like the iniative by the
non-abusive ones.
They should give out scratch-wins to everybody. (get Pollard Banknotes to
make up a few thousand as a gimmick)
Do it like Tim Hortons, roll up the window to win.
Everybody would love to be stopped by a squeegie if there were prizes
- dinner in fancy restaurant
- remax balloon ride, etc etc
And you get double awards if you had asked for a window cleaning also.
Also give awards to "best" squeegie kid.
They really need a PR agency more than anything else right now.
--
OR... for those with more violent tendencies...
We could stage the biggest Human "Frogger" game in history.
(or some version of the Bullfight)
Ten points if you just ding' a squeegie...20 if he rolls over the front of
car, and 30 if
you pay $100 to enter the lane.
Squeegies wear protective helmets, padding and get some training in
surviving light impacts from MPIC.
The object for the squeegie is to make it across the street safely while
wiping the windows of at least 3 cars before getting broadsided.
Winter beaters could be used for the competition..or else just Tilden
rent a cars :)
If the squeegie wins, he-she gets $1,000.
--
I used to get the DOMO guy to clean my windshields on my Honda after
buying gas, until the blade came off in the guys hand. ...of course he
said sorry. I then went and paid $50 for a new one.
Must go and get out my snow shovel...just in case it gets any colder
tonite.
Norman Gall
In article <pdueck-0105...@dial18.pli.mb.ca>, pdu...@pli.mb.ca
(Perry Dueck) wrote:
>In article <gall-01059...@usrts1m7.uwinnipeg.ca>,
>ga...@uwinnipeg.ca (Norman Gall) wrote:
>> Good god! You mean a free society? Wow!
>
>You missed the point Norm. Free Society does not equal the right to break
>the laws that are already in place.
It isn't a violation of any law to do what they are doing.
>All I'm saying is people on foot should use the damn crosswalk as
>designated.
They aren't crossing the street.
>The street is no place for people to be running around tapping
>on car windows in hopes of performing some service.
Why?
>The sidewalks and
>designated crosswalks are for pedistrian traffic (crosswalks when the
>light is green for the foot traffic), the streets for the
>vehicles/bicycles/buses/things on wheels that are properly and legally
>licesnsed.
There is nothing here that makes what they do conceptually incoherent.
Sidewalks are for pedestrian traffic, but there are booths hawking goods
on the sidewalks. The streets are for vehicles, but parked vans sell food
while on them. You haven't said anything compelling yet.
>How freakin' difficult is it to understand that concept?
>
>Squeegee kids, get off the damn streets and stay on the sidwalks. If ya
>wanna wash windows, either work at a gas station (lots of cars pull
>through most gas stations every day), or go work for or start your own
>building window washing company.
Why should we limit their freedom to make money in this fashion?
>There's lots of businesses in Osborne
>Village that have windows on their storefronts...and they can all be
>cleaned using the safety of the sidewalk.
I still doubt that concern for the safety of the kids is foremost in the
minds of most people who make arguments like this.
Nothing new in this outing.
--
"A man cannot be too careful in his choice of enemies." Oscar Wilde
cam and or nenette remove trailing 666
On Thu, 30 Apr 1998 19:27:33 GMT, bay...@mbnet.mb.ca (Don Bayomi)
added to the entropy with:
>
>I often also wonder how many with the special hair(no hair) treatments are
>on the side of good or no-good. (many look like your typical neonazi
>skinheads out of any major city)
this can be handled by the old phrase "Don't judge a book by its
cover". People's choice of hairstyle don't determine their beliefs.
>Ice Cream bikes
>Did you ever notice how many rough looking guys were operating those ice
>cream bikes a few years ago? I heard that some were selling a little more
>than just ice cream.
I'm surprised you just noticed this. I've noticed it for 20 years.
cam and or nenette remove trailing 666
On Fri, 01 May 1998 19:48:21 GMT, bay...@mbnet.mb.ca (Don Bayomi)
added to the entropy with:
>buying gas, until the blade came off in the guys hand. ...of course he
>said sorry. I then went and paid $50 for a new one.
Man, Canadian Tire really saw you coming that day.
cam and or nenette remove trailing 666
On Thu, 30 Apr 1998 23:06:35 GMT, Glen Hallick <ghal...@escape.ca>
added to the entropy with:
>
>
>"Line them up! Smash them up! Smash-up Derby is fun!"
It's Bug`em going against Tough Tom, who ain't been beaten yet.
C'mon little Bug`em, you can get it done, Smash, Bang, Crash `em up,
Smash up Derby is fun!
I have waaaaaaaaay too many neurons dedicated to remembering
commercial jingles from the early seventies.
cam
CWB
Did anyone happen to see a news item awhile back on
squeegee "kids" from New York? The strong recommendation
was to always have a few dollar bills in the car. There were
cases of antennas being broken, windows smashed, and
assaults on drivers merely because they didn't want their
windows cleaned or didn't have any money to pay for it. It's
not an optional thing.
Not entirely relevant, but kind of interesting I think.
I've never had a problem in Osborne Village BTW.
Bob
Jim Townsend <town...@mbnet.mb.ca> wrote in article
<6icukv$nom$1...@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca>...
Roger Strong
(Repost from different server.)
Norman Gall wrote in message ...
>>If there is no legalities from
>>preventing people in attempting to wash your windsheild on the street,
>>what next....?
>Well, there aren't now and never have been.
In the middle of the street? There SHOULD be laws against it, in the
interests of safety alone.
>>Will we have to fend off long distance telephone representatives trying to
>>sign you up on their plan in between red lights?
>When was the last time a guy from Great-West Life did this?
Shhhhhhh..... We don't want to give Investors Group any (more) ideas.
>>Or how about someone
>>stepping up to your car window in the midst of traffic and attempting to
>>sell you trinkets and crafts.
>>I see streets turning into a
>>free-for-all for anyone to do as they please.
>Good god! You mean a free society? Wow!
Bull. Having a free society doesn't mean throwing common sense out the
Norman Gall
In article <6idd53$hva$1...@news1.mts.net>, "Roger Strong"
<rst...@yetmans.mb.ca> wrote:
>Norman Gall wrote in message ...
>>Well, there aren't now and never have been.
>In the middle of the street? There SHOULD be laws against it, in the
>interests of safety alone.
The question is exactly *which* laws... ban them or regulate them?
>>When was the last time a guy from Great-West Life did this?
>Shhhhhhh..... We don't want to give Investors Group any (more) ideas.
My apologies. :)
>>Good god! You mean a free society? Wow!
>Bull. Having a free society doesn't mean throwing common sense out the
>window, and not recognizing human nature. That's why we have traffic laws
>(and other laws).
Right. Driving a car around is dangerous, so we have laws regarding them,
but we don't outlaw them; we regulate them.
>Also, there was a news show on TV about a year back... In some American
>cities, there are people selling things at stop lights. They have the same,
>but greater, safety, traffic delay and toll/extortion problems. Plus fraud
>and stolen property issues.
The American cities that have these problems have 5 times the population
and much deeper social problems than we do - I think this is a slippery
slope fallacy.
> IMHO this problem will spread here too, just
>like squeegee kids, telemarketing, cat juggling and the Reform Party.
Cat jugglers are under attack again - typical. :)
But let's keep things in perspective - just because a bunch of guys are
pissed off doesn't mean there is a problem.
>>>I believe it's all been tolerated so far because no squeegee kid has been
>>>run over as of yet, and/or because no squeegee kid has sued any motorist
>>>for accidentally bumping into them (that I know of). It's only a matter of
>>>time before something goes wrong, and people will stop seeing this as a
>>>"cute business venture by homeless young adults".
>>
>>Sort of like every other business in the world?
>
>No. Sometimes common sense kicks in BEFORE someone gets killed.
Common sense would in this case dictate that we regulate rather than ban.
Norm Gall
--
"Integrity without knowledge is weak and useless, and knowledge
without integrity is dangerous and dreadful. Samuel Johnson
gut
Norman Gall wrote:
>
> Common sense would in this case dictate that we regulate rather than ban.
Well if Stu is right, and a vote was held, and the "kids" have to move
out of downtown......this to me would signal that _there_ was indeed a
problem percieved by the general public.
A possible solution may be that the kids station themselves at bus stops
that are indented ( can't think of the right word, but they are out of
mainstream trafic for the stop ) and wait for cars to pull in and ask
for a wash. This would seem to be safe, without banning them completely.
It has the added benifit of no cash outlay on the part of the "kids" for
renting a spot parking lot etc.
cheers
beergut