Huge homeless experiment underway in Winnipeg .....
durablepsyche
for the mentally ill (anyone else remember Essondale/Riverview mental hospital?) was
closed and the patients were shuffled out the doors onto the streets of Vancouver and
other lower mainland areas. Honestly.
Mentally ill people were waved a goodbye and made to fend for themselves on the streets.
And that situation exist today. Cost-saving, you understand.
Now Winnipeg is about to start a monumental experiment - and the rest of the country had
better be alert and paying attention. Our streets can no longer sustain the damage that
has been done in the name of saving money..........
___________________________________________
Street people will get a home
Some Winnipeg vagrants included in national social research experiment
By: Larry Kusch
Hundreds of Winnipeg street people will be given a place to call home -- part of a study
to find out the most effective ways to help the homeless in Canada.
Some 600 homeless aboriginals are being recruited to participate in the project, and 300
of them will be given a place to live.
Details of the homelessness study, which is also being carried out in four other cities,
will be unveiled by government, academics and health and social agencies at a news
conference Monday at Winnipeg's Thunderbird House.
The purpose of the research is to determine whether it's better to provide street people
with homes of their own, along with counselling and other social supports, or to try
treating them first before finding them housing, which is what occurs today.
The new model of providing the homeless with places to live ahead of treatment has shown
promise in places such as New York, said Digvir Jayas, vice-president of research at the
University of Manitoba.
The U of M is helping carry out the research project in Winnipeg.
Half the participants in the $150-million national study will be provided a furnished room
or apartment, while the other half will act as a control group. Researchers will track the
progress of those given homes for four years and compare it to that of people who remain
on the streets.
Betty Edel, executive director of Mount Carmel Clinic, one of several participating
agencies, said it only makes sense to provide homes up front to people who require help
with sobriety and/or mental health issues.
"How can you say to someone who is homeless, 'Well, we'll give you a place (to live) if
you sober up.' Well, a lot of times that's their coping mechanism because of all the fear
and all the strife on the streets," Edel said Friday.
"What has been proven to work is that if someone has their own place and feels safe and
secure... their basic need is met, so they can start thinking of other areas in their
life," she said.
The project will require the participation of many city landlords.
"The plan is to integrate (the homeless) in the community, and then services are still
provided to them. It's an integrated community project, really," Jayas said.
The U of M's psychiatry and community health sciences departments are involved in the
project, as is the university-affiliated Manitoba Centre for Health Policy. Also involved
is the University of Winnipeg's Institute of Urban Studies and the Winnipeg Regional
Health Authority.
Mount Carmel will be dealing with about 100 of the clients with a team that includes a
psychiatrist, psychiatric nurse, a family specialist and several other specialists, Edel
said.
"The people that we will be working with (will have) the most intense needs," she said.
Other Canadian cities participating in the national "At Home/Chez Soi" project, created by
the Canadian Commission on Mental Health, are Moncton, Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver.
Unique to the Winnipeg portion of the project is that all the study participants will be
aboriginal.
It's estimated there are 350 people living on the streets in Winnipeg and another 1,900
using short-term or crisis shelters. About 70 per cent of these people are aboriginal and
as many as half of them live with mental illness.
Ottawa is looking for "evidence-based research" on which to plan social policies for the
future, Edel said.
She said the Winnipeg project will offer programs tailored to aboriginal people. "I think
it's quite exciting for people to be respected for their beliefs..." Edel said.
Also on Monday, the province is expected to announce the creation of an outreach team to
link as many as 300 homeless people a year to housing, social and health services in four
communities, including Winnipeg, The Pas, Brandon and Thompson, a provincial spokeswoman
said Friday. The initiative is separate from the federal At Home/Chez Soi project.
JJ
"durablepsyche" <durabl...@home.ca> wrote in message
news:7CkQm.37163$ky1....@newsfe14.iad...
> Now Winnipeg is about to start a monumental experiment - and the rest of
> the country had better be alert and paying attention. Our streets can no
> longer sustain the damage that has been done in the name of saving
> money..........
Actually you are wrong on the money part. It will actually cost more money.
It is an experiment on the most part. Do note that Winnipeg is not the only
location for this program. Toronto, and several western cities are trying
it as well. (can't remember which) But there is one big problem.
> The project will require the participation of many city landlords.
And there is the key. Currently in the Winnipeg rental market, there is a
less than 1% vacancy rate and darn near zero in better parts of the city.
Odds are there will be few landlords willing to take the risk on that type
of tenant when they can pick and choose from many reputable apartment
seekers that show up these days. And the cost of constructing new units is
very high resulting in expensive rent in new buildings exacerbating the
demand for lower cost units.
JJ
JJ
"JJ" <bit...@biteme.com> wrote in message
news:VRkQm.72082$W77....@newsfe11.iad...
>
> "durablepsyche" <durabl...@home.ca> wrote in message
> news:7CkQm.37163$ky1....@newsfe14.iad...
>> Now Winnipeg is about to start a monumental experiment - and the rest of
>> the country had better be alert and paying attention. Our streets can no
>> longer sustain the damage that has been done in the name of saving
>> money..........
I found the old story. This experiment is happening in Moncton, Montreal,
Toronto, Winnipeg and Vancouver.
JJ
Pat Bay
>a huge facility for the mentally ill (anyone else remember
>Essondale/Riverview mental hospital?) was closed and the patients were
>shuffled out the doors onto the streets of Vancouver and other lower
>mainland areas.
The NDP did that.
Honestly.
> Mentally ill people were waved a goodbye and made to fend for themselves
> on the streets. And that situation exist today. Cost-saving, you
> understand.
Sure. It was a bad move and many of those mentally challenged people ended
up on Hastings Street. A few of the mentally challenged women ended up being
chewed up on the Picton farm.
Chom Noamsky
> "durablepsyche" <durabl...@home.ca> wrote in message
> news:7CkQm.37163$ky1....@newsfe14.iad...
>> I know what happened in BC when the government of the day decided to close
>> a huge facility for the mentally ill (anyone else remember
>> Essondale/Riverview mental hospital?) was closed and the patients were
>> shuffled out the doors onto the streets of Vancouver and other lower
>> mainland areas.
>
> The NDP did that.
Both the NDP and the BC Liberals did that. They both supported
downsizing Riverview. That's because the cause de jour was
'deinstitutionalization.' You see, the theory was, instead of padded
rooms and force feeding patients anti-psychotics, they believed all
those patients could simply go home, re-integrate back into the
communities they came from, and everything would be wonderful. Didn't
quite work out as planned.
>
> Honestly.
>> Mentally ill people were waved a goodbye and made to fend for themselves
>> on the streets. And that situation exist today. Cost-saving, you
>> understand.
>
> Sure. It was a bad move and many of those mentally challenged people ended
> up on Hastings Street. A few of the mentally challenged women ended up being
> chewed up on the Picton farm.
Write a big cheque. Send it to Victoria. Tell them you want it spent
on better mental health services.
Pat Bay
"Chom Noamsky" <d...@bark.grrrr> wrote in message
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> Pat Bay wrote:
>> "durablepsyche" <durabl...@home.ca> wrote in message
>> news:7CkQm.37163$ky1....@newsfe14.iad...
>>> I know what happened in BC when the government of the day decided to
>>> close a huge facility for the mentally ill (anyone else remember
>>> Essondale/Riverview mental hospital?) was closed and the patients were
>>> shuffled out the doors onto the streets of Vancouver and other lower
>>> mainland areas.
>>
>> The NDP did that.
>
> Both the NDP and the BC Liberals did that. They both supported downsizing
> Riverview. That's because the cause de jour was 'deinstitutionalization.'
> You see, the theory was, instead of padded rooms and force feeding
> patients anti-psychotics, they believed all those patients could simply go
> home, re-integrate back into the communities they came from, and
> everything would be wonderful. Didn't quite work out as planned.
The NDP initiated it first, the BC Liberals continued. Dumb thing to do.
Didn't work.
>
>>
>> Honestly.
>>> Mentally ill people were waved a goodbye and made to fend for themselves
>>> on the streets. And that situation exist today. Cost-saving, you
>>> understand.
>>
>> Sure. It was a bad move and many of those mentally challenged people
>> ended up on Hastings Street. A few of the mentally challenged women ended
>> up being chewed up on the Picton farm.
>
> Write a big cheque. Send it to Victoria. Tell them you want it spent on
> better mental health services.
Write one yourself.
Chom Noamsky
I always do... I don't have a choice.
Pat Bay
"Chom Noamsky" <d...@bark.grrrr> wrote in message
Well um few of us do, except Hansel here.
He doesn't pay any taxes (but he does anyway with buying things at the
store, unless he shops at the Sally Ann.
Might be good idea to suggest additional funding for mental health
programmes.. especially here in the Victoria area.
Mark could be a big benificiary of rehabilitation and one of those life
skills programmes, plus something to help start him on anger management.
dick blisters
the same residence while these "Streeties" are acclimatized and domesticated
to fit in with the "Normies" already residing in the facilities.
One thing that landlords of lowrental dwellings have going for them is the
threat of bad tenants having to end up on the street. What kind of a threat
is tht to an Xhomeless person?
Canuck57
I kind of like the idea other than the accomodations should be below
that of working poor. That is, 2 room appartment could house 4 bums.
If they want one of their own, the encouragement is to shit, shower,
shave and hold a job.
And it will cost more. As they will piss on the carpets insead of
fixing the crapper, they are not going to pay, the program will. Then
the other working poor will have their rents raised as the shortage of
appartments gets soaked up, needed a further program for the others to
subsidise rent.
Why not have the bums build their own building? I mean this seriously.
Set up a tent, drop off the lumber and get a few builder types to
teach them how to work.... oh that dirty word for liberal do gooders,
work. Builds self esteme and pride to build.
Canuck57
Slums in Canada... LMAO.
Many will urinate on the carpet. Don't think you want to live under that.
Must be some MPs buying select run down appartments or something, as the
more I think of this idea, the more it stinks.
Canuck57
The problem isn't about governemtn not having the money. The problem is
government priorities with the money they have. Pure and simple.
Bums likely don't vote, too lazy. They don't do much, why vote? On my
latest gig I am now working downtown and get to see the annoying pests.
While I agree, about 1 in 5 needs to be in a nut house, 4 out of 5 are
undiciplined vagrants. What they need is work camp. To get out, you
have to work productively for at least 1 entire year. Make them punch
license plates or sort garbage for the recyclables. And accomodations
are bunk rooms, 5 or 6 to a room. Minimum living conditions. Sort of
like a bum prison where you can work your way out.
Some countries actually do this too. Get caugh pan handling or bumming
too much and off to work camp you go. No fresh needles either.
Canuck57
Neither do I. No choice. If I had to decide may career again, I would
make sure that choice was left to me.
I liked it how they did it 200 years ago. Local charity, perhaps the
church would train them back into society. Local people would take thim
in if they were civil enough. That is what the churches used to do with
the money for the other 6 days of the week. For the uncivilized and
uncontrollable, they were left for dead.
Now you have a government, fat individually insensitive and undiciplined
burocracy that screws up at every turn. All they know is they want to
be bigger, more expensive and loaded with useless people thinking what
they do is really important when it is not.
Pat Bay
"Canuck57" <Canu...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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Hence the "industry". There's many people getting paid too much and they
don't actually deliver. There's more observance of the problem
rather than fixing the problem itself.
Enter the protestors of the Olympics who wail and whine about the
homeless. How many of them have actually done anything useful to
help a homelessperson? Taken one in to their own home for a month?
Started a charity that actually works -- runs a shelter that
homeless people actually go to because they want to?
Canuck57
Yep. Isn't the hypocracy amazing? Everyone wants something done and no
one trying to do anything.
Sounds like working for the government eh?
Pat Bay
Seen that many times in the snivel service.
But the hyprocrisy of these protestors is unbelievable. I'd certainly go up
to one of them and ask directly if they actually did anything personally
for the homeless.
They have a right to protest, but not the right to interfere with events and
the public's right to enjoy if they so choose.
socialist that fear the truth and want the new Holocaust for 9/11
"Pat Bay" <pat...@islandz.net> wrote in message
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This is a good prime example of socilaist thinking, and propaganda used by
braindead moron's.... Just make shit up and claim it all true, just like
global warming kooks, even if it is fraud on the public and out right lies.
It no wonder people like you are fucked in the head and mentally challenged,
when you spend your days crying over how bad the government has it with
people complaining and picking on them, about their corruption, greed and
lust for power needs....
Do you ever stop to think it's people like you and governments who have
caused the homeless issue in the first place.
And yet, you mock homelessness and you claim how you help people out all the
time, which tells myself you do nothing to help out anyone, other then post
outright lie's and make excuses for governments at any chance "YOU CAN GET
WITH YOUR HATE TOWARDS PEOPLE, WHO BEEN SCREW BY THE GOVERNMENTS in the
first place.." You should be ashamed of yourself....And here you say you are
not mentally challenged...it plain to see that you are.
I would even give you a few dollars to help you out on that and help see you
are set up in a program to help you out...
>
>
Pat Bay
"socialist that fear the truth and want the new Holocaust for 9/11"
<Libertarian..Neo-.Con.kook@"KentCowen.conservatarian".free.police.protection.gcmail>
wrote in message news:ZdCQm.54062$Db2.9394@edtnps83...
Well you've made up quite a bit shit yourself claiming it is true.
Let's start with your insisting that I am this Kent Cowan person. All you
saw was research provided into this newsgroup and since then you've
think I am this Cowan person because I had presented some interesting things
about the Vancouver Island Libertarians.
> It no wonder people like you are fucked in the head and mentally
> challenged,
> when you spend your days crying over how bad the government has it with
> people complaining and picking on them, about their corruption, greed and
> lust for power needs....
Well you're the prime example when it comes to a person being fucked in the
head and mentally challenged, and when you spend your days crying
over alleged incidents such as poison H1N1 vaccines, chemtrails and so
forth..
> Do you ever stop to think it's people like you and governments who have
> caused the homeless issue in the first place.
Do you ever stop to think that you could resolve that problem a bit yourself
by taking in a homeless person, and actually helping him or her rather
than perpetually yell and scream?
> And yet, you mock homelessness and you claim how you help people out all
> the
> time, which tells myself you do nothing to help out anyone, other then
> post
> outright lie's and make excuses for governments at any chance "YOU CAN GET
> WITH YOUR HATE TOWARDS PEOPLE, WHO BEEN SCREW BY THE GOVERNMENTS in the
> first place.." You should be ashamed of yourself....And here you say you
> are
> not mentally challenged...it plain to see that you are.
Never mocked homelessness, ever. What bugs me is people like yourself
perpetually complain about the problem and yet never personally do anything
to help with it.
You're mentally challenged yourself. Think about it. You're conceited, you
always think you know everything and you perpetually have to keep posting
endless articles in order to get attention. What does that say about you?
Quite a bit.
> I would even give you a few dollars to help you out on that and help see
> you
> are set up in a program to help you out...
We've give you a bus pass to ship yourself back to the United States were
you originally supposedly came from. Destination: Houston Texas.
socialist that fear the truth and want the new Holocaust for 9/11
everything I post is true, including you being a fucking idiot.
WTF
new Holocaust for 9/11"
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-->"Pat Bay" <pat...@islandz.net> wrote in message
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-->> > "Pat Bay" <pat...@islandz.net> wrote in message
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-->> >> "Chom Noamsky" <d...@bark.grrrr> wrote in message
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-->> >> > Pat Bay wrote:
-->> >> >> "Chom Noamsky" <d...@bark.grrrr> wrote in message
-->> >> >> news:4klQm.53910$Db2.21021@edtnps83...
-->> >> >>> Pat Bay wrote:
-->> >> >>>> "durablepsyche" <durabl...@home.ca> wrote in message
-->> >> >>>> news:7CkQm.37163$ky1....@newsfe14.iad...
-->> >> >>>>> I know what happened in BC when the government of the day decided
-->> >> >>>>> to
-->> >> >>>>> close a huge facility for the mentally ill (anyone else remember
-->> >> >>>>> Essondale/Riverview mental hospital?) was closed and the patients
-->> > were
-->> >> >>>>> shuffled out the doors onto the streets of Vancouver and other
-->> >> >>>>> lower
-->> >> >>>>> mainland areas.
-->> >> >>>> The NDP did that.
-->> >> >>> Both the NDP and the BC Liberals did that. They both supported
-->> >> >>> downsizing Riverview. That's because the cause de jour was
-->> >> >>> 'deinstitutionalization.' You see, the theory was, instead of
-->padded
-->> >> >>> rooms and force feeding patients anti-psychotics, they believed all
-->> >> >>> those patients could simply go home, re-integrate back into the
-->> >> >>> communities they came from, and everything would be wonderful.
-->> >> >>> Didn't
-->> >> >>> quite work out as planned.
-->> >> >>
-->> >> >> The NDP initiated it first, the BC Liberals continued. Dumb thing
-->to
-->> > do.
-->> >> >> Didn't work.
-->> >> >>
-->> >> >>>> Honestly.
-->> >> >>>>> Mentally ill people were waved a goodbye and made to fend for
-->> >> >>>>> themselves on the streets. And that situation exist today.
-->> >> >>>>> Cost-saving, you understand.
-->> >> >>>> Sure. It was a bad move and many of those mentally challenged
-->people
-->> >> >>>> ended up on Hastings Street. A few of the mentally challenged
-->women
-->> >> >>>> ended up being chewed up on the Picton farm.
-->> >> >>> Write a big cheque. Send it to Victoria. Tell them you want it
-->> >> >>> spent
-->> >> >>> on better mental health services.
-->> >> >>
-->> >> >> Write one yourself.
-->> >> >
-->> >> > I always do... I don't have a choice.
-->> >>
-->> >> Well um few of us do, except Hansel here.
-->> >>
-->> >> He doesn't pay any taxes (but he does anyway with buying things at the
-->> >> store, unless he shops at the Sally Ann.
-->> >>
-->> >> Might be good idea to suggest additional funding for mental health
-->> >> programmes.. especially here in the Victoria area.
-->> >>
-->> >> Mark could be a big benificiary of rehabilitation and one of those life
-->> >> skills programmes, plus something to help start him on anger
-->management.
-->> >
-->> > This is a good prime example of socilaist thinking, and propaganda used
-->by
-->> > braindead moron's.... Just make shit up and claim it all true, just like
-->> > global warming kooks, even if it is fraud on the public and out right
-->> > lies.
-->>
-->> Well you've made up quite a bit shit yourself claiming it is true.
-->
-->everything I post is true, including you being a fucking idiot.
I wonder how BC Telus would feel about you posting all these huge spam posts?
Pat Bay
"socialist that fear the truth and want the new Holocaust for 9/11"
wrote in message news:_LGQm.54147$Db2.25737@edtnps83...
Yeah right. Chemtrails, U.S. Army troops marching here in Canada, all of
that according to you.
You ahve to be the biggest sham going.
Ever thought about selling used cars??
With your lying and perception and bending words, you'd be a natural.
You'd also have a decent job. Earn enough to sign up for a High School
Equivalency course offered by the Victoria School District.
socialist that fear the truth and want the new Holocaust for 9/11
"WTF" <w...@dev.null> wrote in message
news:5ie6h5d10d1cdksk3...@4ax.com...
These are Opinions, you stupid kook, not spam... So take your moronic
threats and fuck off you kook...
I wonder how you kooks feel when your socilaist uptopia world comes to an
end....
socialist that fear the truth and want the new Holocaust for 9/11
"Pat Bay" <p...@rocklandzbc.com> wrote in message
news:P8IQm.54169$Db2.13818@edtnps83...
That's right you idot, and besides you don't know jack shit, you police
state kook.
dick blisters
> threats and fuck off you kook...
> I wonder how you kooks feel when your socilaist uptopia world comes to an
> end....
>
an end.
dick blisters
>
> That's right you idot, and besides you don't know jack shit, you police
> state kook.
>
angry little individual.
socialist that fear the truth and want the new Holocaust for 9/11
"dick blisters" <dickbl...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:hf1b13$oc7$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
not for myself, but for you it will.
>
>
socialist that fear the truth and want the new Holocaust for 9/11
Oh.... so that mean's you are a silly smiley face smurf, with your head up
your ass....well good for you kook.
>
>
WTF
new Holocaust for 9/11"
<Libertarian..Neo-.Con.kook@"KentCowen.conservatarian".free.police.protection.gcmail>
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-->"WTF" <w...@dev.null> wrote in message
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-->> On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 03:14:02 GMT, "socialist that fear the truth and want
-->>
-->> I wonder how BC Telus would feel about you posting all these huge spam
-->posts?
-->
-->These are Opinions, you stupid kook, not spam... So take your moronic
-->threats and fuck off you kook...
-->I wonder how you kooks feel when your socilaist uptopia world comes to an
-->end....
-->
Tell you what buddy, how about if I send off a note to them. I'll be happy to
let them make the decision if it's spam or not. Hows that, fair isn't it?
dick blisters
"socialist that fear the truth and want the new Holocaust for 9/11"
wrote in message news:2wWQm.54256$Db2.2755@edtnps83...
off as 10 year old schoolyard rubbish.
Next you'll be threatening to have your father beat me up.
socialist that fear the truth and want the new Holocaust for 9/11
"WTF" <w...@dev.null> wrote in message
Go ahead.... do it, I am sure I could do the same for you too...So take your
threats of stupidity and fuck off you crack head kook
socialist that fear the truth and want the new Holocaust for 9/11
Sorry kook, but if your dad kicks the shit out of you, it was for a real
good reason, and I can see why...so fuck off
>
>
Pat Bay
"socialist that fear the truth and want the new Holocaust for 9/11"
wrote in message news:dvWQm.54255$Db2.28854@edtnps83...
If the world does come to an end, we all come to an end, including you.
Pat Bay
"socialist that fear the truth and want the new Holocaust for 9/11"
wrote in message news:e4WQm.54240$Db2.50874@edtnps83...
and we suppose you do is that it??
Far from it bud. You only know how to post articles. Trouble is you don't
know how to comprehend them properly.
hint "could" is a manifestation of probably. It doesn't mean something is
actually going to happen.
and yet another name change? Number 89 this time.
Pat Bay
"socialist that fear the truth and want the new Holocaust for 9/11"
wrote in message news:R%YQm.55765$PH1.53639@edtnps82...
Obviously you had trouble at home with your own dad, otherwise you wouldn't
so self-righteous and "it's my way, I'm right and everyone else is wrong".
socialist that fear the truth and want the new Holocaust for 9/11
That doesn't matter but your kids and your grandchildren will suffer at the
hands of the globalist, and don't think for a minute they will not.
>
>
>
socialist that fear the truth and want the new Holocaust for 9/11
"Pat Bay" <p...@rocklandzbc.com> wrote in message:
>had trouble at home with dad,
Well you shouldn't have sucked up so much kook!
socialist that fear the truth and want the new Holocaust for 9/11
"Pat Bay" <p...@rocklandzbc.com> wrote in message don't know how to
comprehend them properly.
Well kook everyone knows you don't comprehend things....next...
Pat Bay
"socialist that fear the truth and want the new Holocaust for 9/11"
<Libertarian..Neo-.Con.kook@"KentCowen.conservatarian".free.police.protection.gcmail>
>
> "Pat Bay" <p...@rocklandzbc.com> wrote in message:
>
>>had trouble at home with dad,
>
> Well you shouldn't have sucked up so much kook!
Well you shouldn't have been such a jerk off when you were a kid in school
at a home.
You obviously had problems at home when you were a kid, and it shows, big
time.
Pat Bay
"socialist that fear the truth and want the new Holocaust for 9/11"
<Libertarian..Neo-.Con.kook@"KentCowen.conservatarian".free.police.protection.gcmail>
>
> "Pat Bay" <p...@rocklandzbc.com> wrote in message don't know how to
> comprehend them properly.
>
> Well kook everyone knows you don't comprehend things....next...
Of course we know you don't comprehend things... next..
Canuck57
Agreed. Never heard the term snivel service, but definitively applicable.
> But the hyprocrisy of these protestors is unbelievable. I'd certainly go up
> to one of them and ask directly if they actually did anything personally
> for the homeless.
I actually have. They get rank and defensive. Makes my day. When the
bums ask me for change, I say "Get a job you lazy ass hole." I get away
with it because I don't look like someone you want to mess with. I feel
sorry for the women that have to put up with this crap. They will try
to intimate if they think it will work.
> They have a right to protest, but not the right to interfere with events and
> the public's right to enjoy if they so choose.
And I have the right to say "BS hypocrits" at the top of my lungs. To
hell with being PC.
socialist that fear the truth and want the new Holocaust for 9/11
>
> "socialist that fear the truth and want the new Holocaust for 9/11"
>
<Libertarian..Neo-.Con.kook@"KentCowen.conservatarian".free.police.protectio
n.gcmail>
> wrote in message news:YSZQm.55789$PH1.24913@edtnps82...
> >
> > "Pat Bay" <p...@rocklandzbc.com> wrote in message:
> >
> >>had trouble at home with dad,
> >
> > Well you shouldn't have sucked up so much kook!
>
> Well you shouldn't have been such a jerk off when you were a kid in school
> at a home.
wow you really hurt yourself over this last post
socialist that fear the truth and want the new Holocaust for 9/11
>
> "socialist that fear the truth and want the new Holocaust for 9/11"
>
<Libertarian..Neo-.Con.kook@"KentCowen.conservatarian".free.police.protectio
n.gcmail>
> wrote in message news:lUZQm.55791$PH1.14693@edtnps82...
> >
> > "Pat Bay" <p...@rocklandzbc.com> wrote in message don't know how to
> > comprehend them properly.
> >
> > Well kook everyone knows you don't comprehend things....next...
>
wow you sure are not too bright....
>
>
WTF
new Holocaust for 9/11"
<Libertarian..Neo-.Con.kook@"KentCowen.conservatarian".free.police.protection.gcmail>
-->
-->"Pat Bay" <p...@rocklandzbc.com> wrote in message
-->news:vb%Qm.54299$Db2.37639@edtnps83...
-->>
-->> "socialist that fear the truth and want the new Holocaust for 9/11"
-->>
--><Libertarian..Neo-.Con.kook@"KentCowen.conservatarian".free.police.protectio
-->n.gcmail>
-->> wrote in message news:lUZQm.55791$PH1.14693@edtnps82...
-->> >
-->> > "Pat Bay" <p...@rocklandzbc.com> wrote in message don't know how to
-->> > comprehend them properly.
-->> >
-->> > Well kook everyone knows you don't comprehend things....next...
-->>
-->> don't comprehend things... next..
-->
-->wow you sure are not too bright....
-->
and no ISP possibly by the email I just got
Pat Bay
"socialist that fear the truth and want the new Holocaust for 9/11"
wrote in message news:E00Rm.55818$PH1.54718@edtnps82...
You certianly have hurt yourself over this last post..
Pat Bay
"socialist that fear the truth and want the new Holocaust for 9/11"
wrote in message news:810Rm.55819$PH1.46763@edtnps82...
Alot brigher than you are, and certainly far more educated than you are.
Did you ever finish high school Mark? Probably not.
Pat Bay
Actually had something like that happen last week. I was at the major bus
loop and some guy comes up and asks if I could give him money for
him and his wife (wife was not there) for coffee. I said to him "there's a
Tim Horton's a few minutes walk from here. Let's go together and I'll
buy you both a coffee and two donuts when we get to the counter.
He left.
socialist that fear the truth and want the new Holocaust for 9/11
>"Pat Bay" <p...@rocklandzbc.com> wrote in message this last post..
your last post was very over the top you kook
>
>
>
socialist that fear the truth and want the new Holocaust for 9/11
>
> "socialist that fear the truth and want the new Holocaust for 9/11"
>
<Libertarian..Neo-.Con.kook@"KentCowen.conservatarian".free.police.protectio
n.gcmail>
> wrote in message news:810Rm.55819$PH1.46763@edtnps82...
> >
> > "Pat Bay" <p...@rocklandzbc.com> wrote in message
> > news:vb%Qm.54299$Db2.37639@edtnps83...
> >>
> >> "socialist that fear the truth and want the new Holocaust for 9/11"
> >>
> >
<Libertarian..Neo-.Con.kook@"KentCowen.conservatarian".free.police.protectio
> > n.gcmail>
> >> wrote in message news:lUZQm.55791$PH1.14693@edtnps82...
> >> >
> >> > "Pat Bay" <p...@rocklandzbc.com> wrote in message don't know how to
> >> > comprehend them properly.
> >> >
> >> > Well kook everyone knows you don't comprehend things....next...
> >>
> >> don't comprehend things... next..
> >
> > wow you sure are not too bright....
>
> Alot brigher than you are, and certainly far more educated than you are.
wow... people would never has guessed that you attended the school of
spiecal needs for retards...I guess that makes you something, what it is,
well no one sure....
That Canadian Kid
news:th59h5hcs3miip6ur...@4ax.com:
> On Tue, 01 Dec 2009 03:25:56 GMT, "socialist that fear the truth and
> want the new Holocaust for 9/11"
> <Libertarian..Neo-.Con.kook@"KentCowen.conservatarian".free.police.prot
> ection.gcmail> wrote:
>
> -->
> -->"Pat Bay" <p...@rocklandzbc.com> wrote in message
> -->news:vb%Qm.54299$Db2.37639@edtnps83...
> -->>
> -->> "socialist that fear the truth and want the new Holocaust for
> 9/11" -->>
> --><Libertarian..Neo-.Con.kook@"KentCowen.conservatarian".free.police.p
> rotectio -->n.gcmail>
> -->> wrote in message news:lUZQm.55791$PH1.14693@edtnps82...
> -->> >
> -->> > "Pat Bay" <p...@rocklandzbc.com> wrote in message don't know how
> to -->> > comprehend them properly.
> -->> >
> -->> > Well kook everyone knows you don't comprehend things....next...
> -->>
> -->> don't comprehend things... next..
> -->
> -->wow you sure are not too bright....
> -->
>
> and no ISP possibly by the email I just got
Are you suggested you complained to his ISP, what next his employer?
socialist that fear the truth and want the new Holocaust for 9/11
"That Canadian Kid" <Th...@Canadian.Kid> wrote in message
news:Xns9CD48798AF66...@202.177.16.121...
Who said the thought police were are not on the loose in news group...This
guy is a kook, and nothing more then an useful idiot.
It is the job of the Thought Police to uncover and punish thoughtcrime and
thought-criminals, using psychology and omnipresent surveillance from
telescreens to find and eliminate members of society who were capable of the
mere thought of challenging ruling authority
The government attempts to control not only the speech and actions, but also
the thoughts of its subjects, labeling unapproved thoughts with the term
thoughtcrime, or, in Newspeak, crimethink. It was the Thought Police that
had arrested Winston and Julia. The Thought Police operate a false
resistance movement in order to lure in disloyal Party members, before
arresting them. It is unknown, however, if a genuine resistance movement
exists. The Thought Police also move among the Proles, spreading false
rumors and marking down and eliminating any individual deemed capable of
rebellion against the Party or Independent thought. All Party members live
their lives under constant supervision of the Thought Police. Every Party
member has a Telescreen in his or her home, which the Thought Police uses to
observe every single action, and takes note of anything that hints of
unorthodox opinions or an inner struggle. When a Party member talks in their
sleep, the words are carefully analyzed. The Thought Police also target and
eliminate highly intelligent people, since they may come to realize how the
Party is exploiting them. An example of this was of Syme, a developer of
Newspeak, who, despite his fierce devotion to the Party, simply disappeared
one day.
It also had much to do with Orwell's own "power of facing unpleasant facts",
as he called it, and his willingness to criticize prevailing ideas which
brought him into conflict with others and their "smelly little
orthodoxies".[2] Although Orwell described himself as a democratic
socialist, many other socialists thought that his criticism of the Soviet
Union under Joseph Stalin damaged the socialist cause.
dick blisters
> loop and some guy comes up and asks if I could give him money for
> him and his wife (wife was not there) for coffee. I said to him "there's a
> Tim Horton's a few minutes walk from here. Let's go together and I'll
> buy you both a coffee and two donuts when we get to the counter.
>
> He left.
>
>
guy (Aboriginal) walking from the opposite direction.
I guessed by his appearance that at some point he would approach us and ask
for spare change.
I waited until we were just a couple of yards apart and I looked up and
walked toward him with my hand stretched out. Neither he nor I said a word
but as we looked each other in the eye, he started laughing and just walked
on by.
I think it was a fair trade.
socialist that fear the truth and want the new Holocaust for 9/11
That's what all white men say...
dick blisters
"socialist that fear the truth and want the new Holocaust for 9/11"
wrote in message news:dajRm.54464$Db2.43411@edtnps83...
mitakay.
socialist that fear the truth and want the new Holocaust for 9/11
I noticed how you just had to use the Native part in there, which was very
stereo type casting too...
Are you a rasicst too, besides as phony as that Pat Bay kook is..
>
>
That Canadian Kid
>> Actually had something like that happen last week. I was at the major
>> bus loop and some guy comes up and asks if I could give him money for
>> him and his wife (wife was not there) for coffee. I said to him
>> "there's a Tim Horton's a few minutes walk from here. Let's go
>> together and I'll buy you both a coffee and two donuts when we get to
>> the counter.
>>
>> He left.
>>
>>
> My girlfriend and I were walking down Osborn a while back and I
> noticed a guy (Aboriginal) walking from the opposite direction.
I fail to see why you would have to mention this person was (Aborijinal),
it dont see it having any bearing on the subject matter unless of course
you view all homeless people as Aborijinal, which I think would be a huge
mistake on your part.
> I guessed by his appearance that at some point he would approach us
> and ask for spare change.
So you judged this person on 2 things, one on how he is dressed and two on
what race he is and came to the conclusion he was going to ask you for
money, rather racist and discimitory thing to do.
> I waited until we were just a couple of yards apart and I looked up
> and walked toward him with my hand stretched out. Neither he nor I
> said a word but as we looked each other in the eye, he started
> laughing and just walked on by.
>
> I think it was a fair trade.
Nothing fair about you...
dick blisters
"socialist that fear the truth and want the new Holocaust for 9/11"
wrote in message news:_vwRm.54516$Db2.6705@edtnps83...
Not racist. So it's all right to call me a racist based upon assumptions and
your own bias with no proof what so ever. Yet when I say a person is
Aboriginal by appearance I'm being racist. If you had a brain in your head,
you'd probably just sit down and play with it.
Is it racist to call a tree an elm if it is an elm, an oak if it is an oak?
You just like to get your cock in a knot over nothing.
By the way I'm Metis or is that being racist to mention it?
Also, napestim mitakay means dog cock in Swampy Cree which is what I called
you earlier but I think I may have just insulted our canine brothers.
>
>
dick blisters
>> noticed a guy (Aboriginal) walking from the opposite direction.
>
> I fail to see why you would have to mention this person was (Aborijinal),
> it dont see it having any bearing on the subject matter unless of course
> you view all homeless people as Aborijinal, which I think would be a huge
> mistake on your part.
>
>> I guessed by his appearance that at some point he would approach us
>> and ask for spare change.
>
So you judged this person on 2 things, one on how he is dressed and two on
> what race he is and came to the conclusion he was going to ask you for
> money, rather racist and discimitory thing to do.
>
crowd that's lways panhandling there or around Poratge Place.
>> I waited until we were just a couple of yards apart and I looked up
>> and walked toward him with my hand stretched out. Neither he nor I
>> said a word but as we looked each other in the eye, he started
>> laughing and just walked on by.
>>
>> I think it was a fair trade.
>
> Nothing fair about you...
>
Oh! So you're the epitome of fair making assumptions about me.
I never said anything racist about the guy and if you see it differently I
can live with that. I admit that I don't have much patience with all this
politically correct crap and just call it as I see it. So take your quaint
little sensitivity and park it next to your bigotry.
big?ot?ry:
-noun, plural -ries. 1. stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed,
belief, or opinion that differs from one's own
WTF
-->"dick blisters" <dickbl...@gmail.com> wrote in
-->news:hf44of$87b$1...@news.eternal-september.org:
-->
-->>> Actually had something like that happen last week. I was at the major
-->>> bus loop and some guy comes up and asks if I could give him money for
-->>> him and his wife (wife was not there) for coffee. I said to him
-->>> "there's a Tim Horton's a few minutes walk from here. Let's go
-->>> together and I'll buy you both a coffee and two donuts when we get to
-->>> the counter.
-->>>
-->>> He left.
-->>>
-->>>
-->> My girlfriend and I were walking down Osborn a while back and I
-->> noticed a guy (Aboriginal) walking from the opposite direction.
-->
-->I fail to see why you would have to mention this person was (Aborijinal),
-->it dont see it having any bearing on the subject matter unless of course
-->you view all homeless people as Aborijinal, which I think would be a huge
-->mistake on your part.
-->
-->> I guessed by his appearance that at some point he would approach us
-->> and ask for spare change.
-->
-->So you judged this person on 2 things, one on how he is dressed and two on
-->what race he is and came to the conclusion he was going to ask you for
-->money, rather racist and discimitory thing to do.
-->
-->> I waited until we were just a couple of yards apart and I looked up
-->> and walked toward him with my hand stretched out. Neither he nor I
-->> said a word but as we looked each other in the eye, he started
-->> laughing and just walked on by.
-->>
-->> I think it was a fair trade.
-->
-->Nothing fair about you...
Obviously you know nothing about the street people in osborne village, if you
did you'd not be stating such idiotic things.
That Canadian Kid
>>> My girlfriend and I were walking down Osborn a while back and I
>>> noticed a guy (Aboriginal) walking from the opposite direction.
>>
>> I fail to see why you would have to mention this person was
>> (Aborijinal), it dont see it having any bearing on the subject matter
>> unless of course you view all homeless people as Aborijinal, which I
>> think would be a huge mistake on your part.
>>
>>> I guessed by his appearance that at some point he would approach us
>>> and ask for spare change.
>>
> So you judged this person on 2 things, one on how he is dressed and
> two on
>> what race he is and came to the conclusion he was going to ask you
>> for money, rather racist and discimitory thing to do.
>>
> I've seen this guy around the village lots of times before. He hangs
> with a crowd that's lways panhandling there or around Poratge Place.
Nowhere in your original post to state you had seen him before, so you
must have wanted people to
>
>>> I waited until we were just a couple of yards apart and I looked up
>>> and walked toward him with my hand stretched out. Neither he nor I
>>> said a word but as we looked each other in the eye, he started
>>> laughing and just walked on by.
>>>
>>> I think it was a fair trade.
>>
>> Nothing fair about you...
>>
> Oh! So you're the epitome of fair making assumptions about me.
What assumptions, I am basing what I think about you on how and what you
post.
> I never said anything racist about the guy and if you see it
> differently I can live with that. I admit that I don't have much
> patience with all this politically correct crap and just call it as I
> see it. So take your quaint little sensitivity and park it next to
> your bigotry.
The point being that there was no need to mention he was aboriginal, it
had nothing to with what you were talking about except to slant the
story your way.
> big?ot?ry:
> -noun, plural -ries. 1. stubborn and complete intolerance of any
> creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own
I said you were predujice did I not.
WTF
wrote:
-->>> My girlfriend and I were walking down Osborn a while back and I
-->>> noticed a guy (Aboriginal) walking from the opposite direction.
-->>
-->> I fail to see why you would have to mention this person was (Aborijinal),
-->> it dont see it having any bearing on the subject matter unless of course
-->> you view all homeless people as Aborijinal, which I think would be a huge
-->> mistake on your part.
-->>
-->>> I guessed by his appearance that at some point he would approach us
-->>> and ask for spare change.
-->>
--> So you judged this person on 2 things, one on how he is dressed and two on
-->> what race he is and came to the conclusion he was going to ask you for
-->> money, rather racist and discimitory thing to do.
-->>
-->I've seen this guy around the village lots of times before. He hangs with a
-->crowd that's lways panhandling there or around Poratge Place.
Is that the bunch ( six or so) that wander around panhandling?
What about the old lady that spits on you if you don't give her some cash, you
ran into her lately... or the young girl who crys if you don't give her cash..
or the woman that uses a wheelchair to garner sympathy, she walked into the
KFC further up osborne and ate lunch one day while her chair sat outside
chained to a pole.
That Canadian Kid
news:qlodh5d4t41lhqh7b...@4ax.com:
<snip>
> -->> I waited until we were just a couple of yards apart and I looked
> up -->> and walked toward him with my hand stretched out. Neither he
> nor I -->> said a word but as we looked each other in the eye, he
> started -->> laughing and just walked on by.
> -->>
> -->> I think it was a fair trade.
> -->
> -->Nothing fair about you...
>
>
> Obviously you know nothing about the street people in osborne village,
> if you did you'd not be stating such idiotic things.
I know enought to know that not all homeless people in Osborne Village are
aboriginal. And since I lived there for many years as well as hung out
there I know far more about the area than you know.
socialist that fear the truth and want the new Holocaust for 9/11
I think other would wonder about that......
>So it's all right to call me a racist based upon assumptions and
> your own bias with no proof what so ever.
It's funny how you back peddle on this, as I am not the one who tried to
make it as all natives are homeless and further I didn't use assumptions you
made a statement... I think you should be careful how you want to use the
word natives, instead of just saying it was a homeless person you jumped at
to mock....
Yet when I say a person is
> Aboriginal by appearance I'm being racist.
That is type casting, wheither you think it is or not there bubba, again I
will point out that you are being racist, and there is something wrong with
you in doing that...was it your upbringing....that made you that way.
>If you had a brain in your head,
> you'd probably just sit down and play with it.
Strange how you down play the fact that you are a racist......towards
natives.
> Is it racist to call a tree an elm if it is an elm, an oak if it is an
oak?
This has nothing to do with tree's, as your odd behaviour wants it too be,
so you can back peddle, it people you are talking about there who are
unfortenant you be in the posiosion they are in. And you should thank god
your are not one of those homeless people there bubba.
> You just like to get your cock in a knot over nothing.
Excuse me, is this some kind of gay thing your into....
> By the way I'm Metis or is that being racist to mention it?
Sure you are, and everyone is to take your word for it, because you think
you can be some kind of racist kook....ya right bubba, nice back
peddling.....asshole
> Also, napestim mitakay means dog cock in Swampy Cree which is what I
called
> you earlier but I think I may have just insulted our canine brothers.
I think if you want to play stupid, that is your right, but it shows that
you are nothing but an ignorant fool....but hay, good luck with that, it
seems that is what you do best....moron.
socialist that fear the truth and want the new Holocaust for 9/11
"That Canadian Kid" <Th...@Canadian.Kid> wrote in message
news:Xns9CD58C2DAF53...@69.16.185.252...
> "dick blisters" <dickbl...@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:hf44of$87b$1...@news.eternal-september.org:
>
> >> Actually had something like that happen last week. I was at the major
> >> bus loop and some guy comes up and asks if I could give him money for
> >> him and his wife (wife was not there) for coffee. I said to him
> >> "there's a Tim Horton's a few minutes walk from here. Let's go
> >> together and I'll buy you both a coffee and two donuts when we get to
> >> the counter.
> >>
> >> He left.
> >>
> >>
> > My girlfriend and I were walking down Osborn a while back and I
> > noticed a guy (Aboriginal) walking from the opposite direction.
>
> I fail to see why you would have to mention this person was (Aborijinal),
It's just a racist thing some ignorant people use, to justify mocking those
who don't fit there socilaist world...sad
socialist that fear the truth and want the new Holocaust for 9/11
"dick blisters" <dickbl...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:hf6npn$sta$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
> >> My girlfriend and I were walking down Osborn a while back and I
> >> noticed a guy (Aboriginal) walking from the opposite direction.
> >
> > I fail to see why you would have to mention this person was
(Aborijinal),
> > it dont see it having any bearing on the subject matter unless of course
> > you view all homeless people as Aborijinal, which I think would be a
huge
> > mistake on your part.
> >
> >> I guessed by his appearance that at some point he would approach us
> >> and ask for spare change.
> >
> So you judged this person on 2 things, one on how he is dressed and two
on
> > what race he is and came to the conclusion he was going to ask you for
> > money, rather racist and discimitory thing to do.
> >
> I've seen this guy around the village lots of times before. He hangs with
a
> crowd that's lways panhandling there or around Poratge Place.
>
> >> I waited until we were just a couple of yards apart and I looked up
> >> and walked toward him with my hand stretched out. Neither he nor I
> >> said a word but as we looked each other in the eye, he started
> >> laughing and just walked on by.
> >>
> >> I think it was a fair trade.
> >
> > Nothing fair about you...
> >
> Oh! So you're the epitome of fair making assumptions about me.
No he is not, it just people pick up on your racist views towards
natives....how bloody sad
WTF
-->WTF <w...@dev.null> wrote in
-->news:qlodh5d4t41lhqh7b...@4ax.com:
-->
--><snip>
-->
-->> -->> I waited until we were just a couple of yards apart and I looked
-->> up -->> and walked toward him with my hand stretched out. Neither he
-->> nor I -->> said a word but as we looked each other in the eye, he
-->> started -->> laughing and just walked on by.
-->> -->>
-->> -->> I think it was a fair trade.
-->> -->
-->> -->Nothing fair about you...
-->>
-->>
-->> Obviously you know nothing about the street people in osborne village,
-->> if you did you'd not be stating such idiotic things.
-->
-->I know enought to know that not all homeless people in Osborne Village are
-->aboriginal. And since I lived there for many years as well as hung out
-->there I know far more about the area than you know.
You are loosing it kid, I never mentioned aboriginal.
Just so you're up to speed, I spent 10 years living in osborne village, I've
seen things that would make you puke, so please don't show your ignorance.
That Canadian Kid
news:d5udh5921pve76g4s...@4ax.com:
Lets see now, the person I was making a coment about to which you made a
comment was trying to suggest all aboriginals are homeless, then you stated
I know nothing about the street people in osborne village.
By referring to both my statement and the persons statement I was referring
to, you did indeed mention aborginal, in the writing circles it is caused
by association which you did but I doubt you will understand that....
Since I drove cab in winnipeg for many years and used the country style
donut shop as my base and also help Asher clean up the street, I doubt you
have seen anything, especially something that would make me puke excpet of
course the sight of you...;)
So "son" the fact that I use a monicor with the word "Kid" in it seems to
have fooled many in here but then again I did warn the more intellegent not
to believe headers.
dick blisters
Now let's see who I've stirred up this time......
dick blisters
"dick blisters" <dickbl...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:hf77op$2kg$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
> Sure doesn't take much to wind up the geriatric ward on this group.
>
> Now let's see who I've stirred up this time......
durablepsyche
> "durablepsyche" <durabl...@home.ca> wrote in message
> news:7CkQm.37163$ky1....@newsfe14.iad...
>>I know what happened in BC when the government of the day decided to close a huge
>>facility for the mentally ill (anyone else remember Essondale/Riverview mental
>>hospital?) was closed and the patients were shuffled out the doors onto the streets of
>>Vancouver and other lower mainland areas.
"Pat Bay" <pat...@islandz.net> wrote in message news:y2lQm.55583$PH1.39431@edtnps82...
>
> The NDP did that.
> Honestly.
Nothing "honest" about your replies. You're getting a bad reputation right quick for
blaming everything on "the NDP". The NDP were not even in power during the closing and
downsizing of Essondale and then Riverview. BOTH happened under the rightwing SOCIAL
CREDIT governments - of Bill Bennett - first daddy and then his son. Get it right or get
the hell out of these discussions.
durablepsyche
> Pat Bay wrote:
>> "durablepsyche" <durabl...@home.ca> wrote in message
>> news:7CkQm.37163$ky1....@newsfe14.iad...
>>> I know what happened in BC when the government of the day decided to close a huge
>>> facility for the mentally ill (anyone else remember Essondale/Riverview mental
>>> hospital?) was closed and the patients were shuffled out the doors onto the streets of
>>> Vancouver and other lower mainland areas.
>>
"Chom Noamsky" <d...@bark.grrrr> wrote in message news:4klQm.53910$Db2.21021@edtnps83...
> Both the NDP and the BC Liberals did that. They both supported downsizing Riverview.
> That's because the cause de jour was 'deinstitutionalization.' You see, the theory was,
> instead of padded rooms and force feeding patients anti-psychotics, they believed all
> those patients could simply go home, re-integrate back into the communities they came
> from, and everything would be wonderful. Didn't quite work out as planned.
How is it that the "NDP did that" when they weren't even the government of the time?
And the "BC Liberals" didn't even exist when the downsizing of Riverview began. The
government was Social Credit all the way.