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Jan 25, 2006, 4:24:36 PM1/25/06
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Globe & Mail June 13, 1990

POLICE CAPTURE ARMED MAN

Tear Gas Ends 71/2 Hour Standoff At Downtown Gun Shop

By Robert Steiner

TORONTO - A 23-year-old armed man was captured last night by the Police
Emergency Task Force after a 7 1/2 hour standoff at a downtown gun
shop.

Police sprayed the Yonge Street gun shop with tear gas and entered it
wearing gas masks at 9:45 p.m. They discovered a man in the basement
next to two loaded rifles.

The man, concious and uninjured, was taken to hospital.

"He was hiding in the basement with two armed rifles," Staff-Inspector
Robert Molyneaux told reporters moments after the capture. "We had seen
him moving around the store with weapons and a metal helmet before he
disappeared from our view."

During five hours of negotiations, the man told police he had problems
with his girlfriend and was considering suicide, the police negotiator,
Staff Sergeant Terry Kelly, said. "He was intending to commit suicide."

The man entered Nick's Sport Shop near Wellesley Street at about 2 p.m.
yesterday, where he grabbed a handgun from the shop owner. The staff
and customers fled. Emergency Task Force officers crouched in doorways
on either side of the shop.

Officers working from a command post near a subway station quickly
established communication with the gunman and tried to persuade him to
give himself up. Later, the man's girlfriend and a male friend were
brought in, Detective Sergeant Lou Villani said.

Shortly before 8 p.m., the man ripped out the phone cord and
disappeared from view. Police said they didn't know whether he was
still concious or even alive.

"He could be passed out or he could have passed away," said Staff
Sergeant Mike Sale after contact with the man was lost. "Time is of the
essence now: we must go inside and see how he is."

Before releasing tear gas, police sent a Fox robot into the store. The
machine is operated by the bomb disposal unit and equipped with a video
camera and stun gas. The gas would have been triggered if the robot had
been attacked.

After 15 minutes when the robot had found nothing on the store's first
floor, police sprayed the store with tear gas and sent in Emergency
Task Force officers.

Police identified a man in custody as Chris McKinstry.

Brian Bagnall

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Jan 25, 2006, 9:11:57 PM1/25/06
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This guy was an obvious narcissist but he actually has some quotes
that have decent thoughts behind them:

"The Truth is of course, is the Universe is playing God with dice..."
(ok, bad grammar but brilliant quote on natural selection)

He also wrote a few poems that are sporadically good: (BTW Do poems
use chorus too? I thought that was for songs.)

All I Want

Lies and tears
and common fears
the substance of
the passing years

Smile and frown
and kill the clown
do your best
and still fall down

All I want is your soul (chorus)

Sugar and spice
and sacrifice
nothing left
to be a vice

earth and sky
and apple pie
they're all just filled
filled with lies

chorus

father and son
have come undone
the holy ghost
is on the run

chorus

Here's another that's not quite as good:

Omnipotence


I am one
and many
An army
a soldier
the fly on your shoulder


I am a boy
with a bat and ball
I am a bat
I am a ball
I am it all


Do you understand?
Do you understand?


I am God.
I am you.
I am alone.


I can be anyone one or anything,
I can do everything.


And I have.
Many, many, many times.


Reality is my art. It is my expression.
I hide from you my loneliness,
I hide form you my hopelessness.
Just as I do from myself.


I give you possibilities that I may never have.


Do you understand?
Do you understand?


- B

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Jan 25, 2006, 11:46:16 PM1/25/06
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"Brian Bagnall" <bbag...@mts.net> wrote in message
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> This guy was an obvious narcissist but he actually has some quotes that
> have decent thoughts behind them:
>
> "The Truth is of course, is the Universe is playing God with dice..." (ok,
> bad grammar but brilliant quote on natural selection)

Hardly an original thought. Here's three quotes that include
God, universe, and dice to get you started in tracking down
the original comment he plagarized:

Stephen Hawking: Not only does God play dice, but...
he sometimes throws them where they cannot be seen.

Albert Einstein: God does not play dice.

Edward O. Wilson: Darwin's dice have rolled badly for
Earth. The human species is, in a word, an environmental
abnormality. Perhaps a law of evolution is that intelligence
usually extinguishes itself.

Sporadically good?!?! Grab a handful of the words
and enter them in a Google search and you'll end
up with all the simplistic children's rhymes you want
from at least 20 or 30 other people that don't have
the vaguest notion about poetry and verse.


Brian Bagnall

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Jan 26, 2006, 12:31:57 AM1/26/06
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>
> "Brian Bagnall" <bbag...@mts.net> wrote in message
> news:UdWBf.94$Mw4...@fe13.lga...
>> This guy was an obvious narcissist but he actually has some quotes
>> that have decent thoughts behind them:
>>
>> "The Truth is of course, is the Universe is playing God with
>> dice..." (ok, bad grammar but brilliant quote on natural selection)
>
> Hardly an original thought. Here's three quotes that include
> God, universe, and dice to get you started in tracking down
> the original comment he plagarized:

Uh... that goes without saying, doesn't it? He didn't plagarize, he's
obviously doing a play on words on Einsteins famous quote. That's the
thing that makes McKinstry's quote.

- B


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Jan 26, 2006, 1:47:22 AM1/26/06
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"Brian Bagnall" <bbag...@mts.net> wrote in message
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> Uh... that goes without saying, doesn't it? He didn't plagarize, he's
> obviously doing a play on words on Einsteins famous quote. That's the
> thing that makes McKinstry's quote.

plagiarize:

To use and pass off (****the ideas**** or writings of another) as one's own.
To appropriate for use as one's own passages ****or ideas**** from
(another).
To put forth as original to oneself ****the ideas**** or words of another

IOW you dim witted illiterate fick if he's "doing a play on
Einstein's" words then it isn't original or unique...it's simply
plagiarism! Moreover the source was likely Hawking not
Einstein.

It's about as original as saying "all your quotes are belong to us"
instead of "all your bases are belong to us".


Brian Bagnall

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Jan 26, 2006, 1:48:24 PM1/26/06
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"No Spam" <no....@shaw.ca> wrote in message
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>
> To use and pass off (****the ideas**** or writings of another) as
> one's own.
> To appropriate for use as one's own passages ****or ideas**** from
> (another).
> To put forth as original to oneself ****the ideas**** or words of
> another

But he's *not* passing off others ideas as his own. He knows that you
know what Einstein said, and furthermore, the idea behind Einstein's
quote is vastly different from the idea in McKinstry's or Hawkings
quotes. It's like Hawkings famous phrase on rolling the dice - he
expects you to know Einstein's quote.

> IOW you dim witted illiterate fick if he's "doing a play on
> Einstein's" words then it isn't original or unique...it's simply
> plagiarism! Moreover the source was likely Hawking not
> Einstein.

Dude, you need to calm down. When someone dare question what you said
you tend to go ballistic.

- B


grub

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Jan 26, 2006, 3:22:21 PM1/26/06
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Brian Bagnall wrote:

> But he's *not* passing off others ideas as his own. He knows that you
> know what Einstein said, and furthermore, the idea behind Einstein's
> quote is vastly different from the idea in McKinstry's or Hawkings
> quotes. It's like Hawkings famous phrase on rolling the dice - he
> expects you to know Einstein's quote.

McChimp's quote was little more than bad paraphrasing.


> Dude, you need to calm down. When someone dare question what you said
> you tend to go ballistic.

Cut him some slack, he's still in mourning... heh.

Brian Bagnall

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Jan 26, 2006, 5:29:54 PM1/26/06
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"grub" <gri...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> McChimp's quote was little more than bad paraphrasing.

Look at this:

"God does not play dice." - Albert Einstein.
i.e. The universe is not random.

"Not only does God play dice, but he sometimes throws them where they
cannot be seen." - Stephen Hawking.
i.e. The universe is random, and you can't observe some aspects of
particles.

"The Truth is of course, is the Universe is playing God with

dice..." - McKinstry.
i.e. The universe has generated God-like creations (life) using the
random processes of evolution.

Those are three separate, distinct thoughts. I hold that, yes, even
though McKinstry was a narcissist, and yes, he made overblown claims,
he also had flashes of brilliance and he was probably a pretty
intelligent guy when his emotional problems weren't interfering. He
probably had some pretty serious chemical imbalances that he had to
fight his whole life, and they beat him in the end.

- B


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