RE: Trudeau is banning hunting rifles. Dancho, Raquel - M.P. <raquel.dancho@parl.gc.ca> To: Greg Carr

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RE: Trudeau is banning hunting rifles.
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Dancho, Raquel - M.P. <raquel...@parl.gc.ca>
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Tue, Dec 6 at 12:46 p.m.

Hello Mr. Carr,

On behalf of MP Raquel Dancho, thank you for your response to our newsletter email.

MP Dancho always appreciates hearing feedback from Canadians on the issues she is working to address.

As Shadow Minister for Public Safety, MP Dancho is deeply concerned about the rise in violent crime under Liberal leadership. Unfortunately, this government’s current firearms legislation, as this newsletter notes, will do little to stem the rising tide of violent crime across our country. Instead, the Liberals have opted to target legal- vetted, law-abiding Canadian firearm owners with unfair and vindictive hunting rifle bans.

As Bill C-21 continues to be debated at the SECU Committee, Conservatives will continue to inform the public of the failures of this legislation and work to ensure that our country’s firearms policy is based on evidence, not ideology, and that it respects the property rights of Canadians.

I hope that you were able to sign our petition. If you would like further updates on the work that MP Dancho is doing to represent her constituency and Canadians, you can sign up for our email newsletter at this link if you have not already: http://eepurl.com/g65O99

Thank you once again for your response to our email. Take care and have a great rest of your week!

Sincerely,

Matthew

Office of Raquel Dancho

Member of Parliament for Kildonan—St. Paul Shadow Minister for Public Safety

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From: Greg Carr <greg...@yahoo.ca>
Sent: December 5, 2022 10:30 PM
To: e-fee...@conservative.ca; raquel...@conservative.ca; Dancho, Raquel - M.P. <Raquel...@parl.gc.ca>; Angus, Charlie - M.P. <charli...@parl.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: Trudeau is banning hunting rifles.

Hi,

Thanks for the email saw you on CBCNN today. Earlier the CBCNN guy had been talking to Minister Public Safety Minister Marco Mendicino the guy seemed upset to be asking the questions as he knows moose hunters in Nfld and I don't think he liked Mendicino's answers saw Trudeau admit some hunting guns had been banned but he would tweak the regs but ppl have been saying for months that guns used for hunting would be banned and the Liberals said they were scaremongering just more Liberal lies and tricks and the NDP leader is silent. Reminds me of the Bill C-11 to have the govt regulate the Internet that Prof. Geist warns about and the Liberals say all the concerns are overblown.

On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 02:04:18 p.m. PST, Raquel Dancho <raquel...@conservative.ca> wrote:

Hunting and sport shooting are proud Canadian traditions. ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌Greg,

Hunting and sport shooting are proud Canadian traditions.

But the Liberals are trying to end it.

Bill C-21 is the largest assault on hunters, farmers, and other law-abiding firearms owners in our history — and it will cost taxpayers $1 BILLION.

Targeting farmers and duck hunters does not fight crime.

Since 2015, there has been a 32% increase in violent crime and a 92% increase in gang-related homicides.

Sign our petition to call on Parliament to stop the Liberal ban on hunting rifles.

Bill C-21 will do nothing to prevent the surge in violent crime.

It’s time to crack down on illegal weapons and bring the hammer down on criminals.

Conservatives will stand up for our farmers, hunters, and law-abiding firearm owners.

And we will keep guns out of the hands of criminals with tough-on-crime policies that bring back safe streets.

Stop the Hunting Rifle Ban. Sign our petition to push back.

Thank you,

Raquel Dancho
Shadow Minister for Public Safety
Conservative Party of Canada



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How Bill C-21 turned from banning handguns to hunting guns
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The government's latest amendment would ban many hunting rifles, shotguns, even antique cannons


Evan Dyer · CBC News · Posted: Dec 05, 2022 4:00 AM ET | Last Updated: 3 hours ago



One provision in C-21 that would ban all guns with a muzzle diameter over 20mm would prohibit some hunting shotguns, such as these Joseph Lang 8-gauge waterfowling guns. (Westley Richards & Co.)

Confusion was on the agenda at a parliamentary committee last week after the Liberal government brought in last-minute amendments to its contentious gun control legislation.

The proposed changes to Bill C-21 were tacked on by Liberal MP Paul Chiang after it had passed second reading — drawing complaints from opposition MPs who accused the government of sneaking in changes that would expand the scope of prohibited weapons to include hunting rifles.

The amendment adds long guns to the banned list in four different ways. First, it has a clause that would effectively ban any rifle or shotgun that could potentially accept a magazine with more than five rounds, whether or not it actually has such a magazine. Critics say that includes many rifles designed for hunters, not soldiers.

The list also names guns that fall afoul of two rules nominally intended to ban powerful military weapons such as .50-calibre sniper rifles and mortars. One rule bans long guns that can generate more than 10,000 joules of energy, and the other bans guns with a muzzle wider than 20 millimetres. Critics say those rules would ban everything from antique blunderbusses to the Nine O'clock Gun in Vancouver's Stanley Park.

Gun bill amendment is 'nonsense,' say Ottawa-area hunters
Lastly, the amendment prohibits, by name, a large number of semi-automatic firearms that do not have detachable magazines and don't meet the definition of an "assault-style firearm," or infringe the other two rules, but which the government wants to ban anyway. They include a number of long guns in wide use by Canadian hunters.

CBC News asked to speak with Paul Chiang about the amendments but was told he was travelling and unavailable.

Public Safety Minister Marco Mendicino insisted that hunters are not being targeted.

"We have a plan to eradicate gun violence once and for all," Mendicino told the House of Commons on Friday. "We are not going to target those guns which are used conventionally for hunting."

Here's what we know and don't know about the changes.

Will the 'Plinkster' be banned?
That's not entirely clear.

"The Mossberg 702 .22 Plinkster long rifle. Will that hunting and target-shooting rifle be prohibited as a result of C-21 legislation?" Conservative MP Bob Zimmer asked at the parliamentary committee.

"No," replied Murray Smith, technical specialist with the government's Canadian Firearms Program. "The model 702 Plinkster is a conventional 22-calibre hunting rifle. It's unaffected by what's in C-21."

But in fact, the Plinkster ("plinking" refers to shooting tin cans) is one of hundreds of common hunting rifles and shotguns individually listed for prohibition in the amendments.

The exchange captured some of the confusion caused by the amendment. But the amendment itself is clear: if adopted and passed into law, the .22 Plinkster would become a prohibited firearm.

What do the opposition parties have to say?
Conservative MP Raquel Dancho called it "an attack on hunters."

"The arbitrary criteria that the Liberal government has snuck into their legislation at the eleventh hour without democratic debate does not make these firearms any less of a hunting tool," she said.

While Conservatives have long opposed some Liberal gun control measures, this time the NDP also balked.

"The amendment came out of nowhere," said NDP MP Charlie Angus, whose riding covers a vast swath of northern Ontario that includes many remote First Nations. "This was a handgun bill. We suddenly saw this other legislation that has a lot of people who are legitimate gun owners worried. I think they overreached."



Montreal Canadiens goalie Carey Price posted a picture of himself on Instagram with a semi-automatic hunting shotgun and a message that said, in part, 'I am not a criminal or a threat to society.' (Carey Price/Instagram)

And after Montreal Canadiens goalie Carey Price weighed in on the matter, Bloc Québécois Leader Yves-François Blanchet lamented on Twitter that the bill had convinced Price "and so many others that gun control's goal or effect is to hurt hunting."

The National Police Federation (NPF) described Bill C-21 overall as a missed opportunity to reduce gun crime.

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"Bill C-21 does not address criminal activity, illegal firearms proliferation, gang crime, illegal guns crossing the border or criminal use of firearms," it said in its written submission to Parliament.

And on the prohibition of legally-held firearms, "the NPF would caution that it diverts extremely important personnel, resources, and funding away from addressing the more immediate and growing threat of criminal use of illegal firearms."

What do advocacy groups think?
Heidi Rathjen of pro-gun control group PolySeSouvient told CBC Radio's The House she agrees with the bill and amendments, but said they are "very complicated technically" and "difficult to explain."

"But in terms of communications, I think the Liberals could have done a much better job."

LISTEN | Gun control advocate discusses proposed changes to firearms law:



CBC News: The House11:01Confusion and controversy over new firearms legislation

The House speaks to gun control advocate Heidi Rathjen, co-founder of the gun control group PolySeSouvient, about whether controversy over a proposed amendment to the government’s firearms legislation might put in jeopardy her thirty-year-long quest to have assault rifles banned.

Rathjen defended the rule that bans rifles that generate over 10,000 joules. "We're talking about .50-calibre military weapons that can pierce military equipment and structures," she said.

But the rule would also ban some very expensive elephant and buffalo rifles that would more likely grace collectors' display cabinets than be used for hunting.

"Many of these old firearms date back to before the 1900s," says Tony Bernardo of the Canadian Shooting Sports Association. "Some of these guns are worth a half-million dollars or more. Many of them are single shots or they're double-barrelled, and the finest examples of the engraver's art."

WATCH | Hunters association head on new firearms bill changes:



Gun control laws trending towards 'flashy' bans, hunters association director says
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Matt DeMille, the director of policies and programs for the Ontario Federation of Anglers and Hunters said new federal measures go beyond their "stated intent" of reducing gun violence.

Bernardo says crime will not be reduced by using taxpayers' money to buy and destroy those expensive relics, though he's quick to add that there is no mention of compensation in Bill C-21.

The bill has also been challenged by historical and reenactment groups, who say their antique cannons and artillery pieces pose no threat to public safety.

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"Many of our veterans actively participate in period outfits as re-enactors to demonstrate the workings of the ordnance at formal salutes, displays, reenactments and the like," the Royal Canadian Artillery Association wrote to the committee studying C-21, saying the bill will make their activities a crime.

WATCH | Government looks to broaden list of prohibited firearms:



Ottawa moves to expand banned weapons list
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A new government proposal will make more firearms illegal in Canada, adding many shotguns and semi-automatic rifles to the banned list.

A list of extra guns to ban
Perhaps the most controversial part of the amendment is that it proposes banning hundreds of guns that don't fit the government's new "assault-style firearm" definition.

One such is the Benelli auto-loading shotgun, which doesn't have a detachable magazine, and has never been used by any military. Auto-loading shotguns are heavily used in such traditional hunts as the Cree goose hunt in James Bay, and the Newfoundland turr hunt. They are sometimes preferred by female hunters and those with smaller frames because they have softer recoil than other shotguns, Bernardo said.



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Another is the SKS semi-automatic rifle, which Rathjen says was not in the original "assault rifle ban" in 2020 because "if a weapon was not a modern design, it was exempt." The SKS, designed in 1945, lacks features common to modern military rifles such as the AR-15. But the government has now decided it wants it banned.

WATCH | Calls to ban SKS rifle:



Calls to add Soviet-era rifle used in Canadian shootings to federal weapons ban
2 months ago

Duration2:28

Advocates are calling for the SKS — a Soviet-era, semi-automatic rifle that was used in the 2022 Innisfil, Ont., shooting, the 2019 northern B.C. murders, and the 2018 mass shooting in Frederiction — to be added to Ottawa's military-style assault weapons ban.

There is a long tradition of Canadian hunters using what were once military rifles to hunt. The .303 Lee-Enfield, used in both the First and Second World Wars, was once the standard Canadian hunting rifle, and remains common, particularly in the North.

And today, says Bernardo, the SKS is "ubiquitous."

"There are, by our best estimates, somewhat over a half a million SKS rifles in circulation in Canada," he told CBC News.

Because the SKS is currently in the non-restricted (and therefore unregistered) class of firearms, the government does not know who owns them. Consequently, it has no way of informing them individually that they will be in violation of a law that carries penalties of up to 10 years in prison.

Bernardo says the SKS is particularly common among Indigenous and sustenance hunters in remote areas who may only realize they have fallen afoul of new laws when they are arrested.

"The consequences of this are absolutely huge and, quite frankly, totally uncalled for."


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