I know, we've all forgotten WPF, the once loved child

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Peter O'Hanlon

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Apr 1, 2016, 5:56:09 AM4/1/16
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Okay, we all haven't forgotten it - I still have a deep love for WPF and continue to push at its boundaries day by day. Thought I'd just reach out and say hi from the WPF world and also say Wow to the news that Xamarin is freely available and Open Source. 

You've gotta love that XAML sauce.

Anyway - back to your regular HTML 5/Java/Swift powered schedule.

Sacha Barber

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Apr 1, 2016, 7:06:15 AM4/1/16
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Ha no js for me I'm up to my neck in scala and apache stuff

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Peter O'Hanlon

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Apr 1, 2016, 7:11:45 AM4/1/16
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I don't know you anymore ;)

Sacha Barber

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Apr 1, 2016, 7:32:42 AM4/1/16
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Scala is much like f# but better because you have more control over files.

Spark and cassandra and zookeeper are great

Peter O'Hanlon

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Apr 1, 2016, 7:44:46 AM4/1/16
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Ah - it's all good. I still like that XAML goodness.

Karl Shifflett

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Apr 1, 2016, 8:39:04 AM4/1/16
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I’m all HTML, CSS (SCSS), Javascript (ES6) and Electron now.

Have shipped a manufacturing app and working on a multi-lingual, cross-platform, print shop manager.  Needs to run on Ubuntu and Windows.

My markup smells like XAML, I use HTML5 Custom Symantec tags; as a result, the markup is void of div tags, and almost no classes.  So much cleaner than traditional HTML app, and even XAML apps.

My apps require much less code and markup than a comporable WPF app.  Apps are also less complex.  I use Angular 1.4.8 to provide required UI services like navigation and messaging.

When I need high-octane UI real-time (near-real-time) updating, I use socket.io

Never thought I would go this way, but cross-platform rocks.  Writing apps for my Mac or Linux systems is child’s play. 

OH, and its all free.

Best,

Karl

Peter O'Hanlon

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Apr 1, 2016, 8:56:15 AM4/1/16
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Gotta love that socket.io. It's da bomdiggity (yes, I did just use that phrase). It's a sad day, though, when the K Dawg steps away from the XAML.

Karl Shifflett

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Apr 1, 2016, 9:31:55 AM4/1/16
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Here is a screen shot from the SCSS (SASS) class I’ve given a few times.

The markup is below the image.  No JavaScript was used in the layout, only used to register custom semantic tags.

I”m using CSS for the “triggers.”  You can see the highlighted Web Site when the mouse is over it.  Also the “+” appears when the mouse is over it.  The “+” gets brighter and larger when the mouse is over it.

The markup is void of any layout (except composition).


The magic is all in the _appStructure.scss file.  You can use semantic tags and apply “styles” directly to them, in essence the markup tag is the "resource key."

SCSS has a nesting feature.  This allows your CSS to be formally structured like you html markup.

I hope to publish a cross-platform game along with source, next week that will further demonstrate these techniques.  See image at the bottom.

Once you move your HTML, CSS, & JavaScript into Electron, the cross browser issues are gone, there is no sandbox, and you can then leverage any node module.

Spinning up and managing multiple processes inside Electron is trivial. 

Performance is near C++ speeds.  JavaScript executes so fast.

IMO - this is the very best cross-platform UI stack.






<!DOCTYPE html>
<html>
    <head lang="en">
        <meta charset="UTF-8">
        <meta name="viewport" content="initial-scale=1, maximum-scale=1, user-scalable=no"/>

        <title>SASS Application</title>
        <link rel="stylesheet" href="css/font-awesome.min.css">
        <link rel="stylesheet" href="css/app.css">
        <script src="js/registerCustomElements.js"></script>

    </head>
    <body>

        <application-wrapper>
            <application-header>
                <application-branding>
                    <img src="img/brandingLogo.png">
                    <span>SASS Application</span>
                </application-branding>
                <application-function-title>
                    <span>Registration</span>
                </application-function-title>
            </application-header>

            <main>
                <nav>
                    <ul>
                        <li><i class="fa fa-home fa-lg"></i><span>Home</span></li>
                        <li>
                            <i class="fa fa-bank fa-lg"></i><span>Bank</span>
                            <div><i class="fa fa-plus"></i></div>
                        </li>
                        <li>
                            <i class="fa fa-globe fa-lg"></i><span>Web Site</span>
                            <div><i class="fa fa-plus"></i></div>
                        </li>
                    </ul>
                    <ul>
                        <li><i class="fa fa-cog fa-lg"></i><span>Settings</span></li>
                    </ul>
                </nav>

                <main-content>
                    <form>
                        <input-group>
                            <label for="firstName">First Name</label>
                            <input autofocus placeholder="first name" type="text" id="firstName" maxlength="100"/>
                        </input-group>
                        <input-group>
                            <label for="lastName">Last Name</label>
                            <input placeholder="last name" type="text" id="lastName" maxlength="100"/>
                        </input-group>
                        <input-group>
                            <label for="url">URL</label>
                            <input  placeholder="url" type="url" id="url" maxlength="200"/>
                        </input-group>
                        <input-group>
                            <label for="email">Email</label>
                            <input placeholder="email" type="email" id="email" maxlength="200"/>
                        </input-group>
                    </form>
                </main-content>
            </main>
        </application-wrapper>
    </body>
</html>

This pictures the cross-platform, Electron game I’m writing.  It’s allows the user to dial in the help they want in mastering the game.  Once mastered, they can turning off the aids and play head to head.

The below layout requires about 100 lines of HTML markup, including the first 12 lines of the “<head>."

Mark Smith

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Apr 1, 2016, 12:31:22 PM4/1/16
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I feel like the spirit of WPF lives on in UWP and things like Xamarin.Forms, so I’m happy :)

However, I’ve been doing a lot of JS/CSS lately and it’s not as terrible as I once thought. The web has really grown up.

mark

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Corrado Cavalli

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Apr 1, 2016, 12:44:12 PM4/1/16
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WPF is where it all started J

Happy to meet you all, is not an April’s fool is it?

 

Cheers

/Corrado

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Colin Eberhardt

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Apr 1, 2016, 2:51:25 PM4/1/16
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Good to hear from you all. As you know I've been JS/HTML for quite a while now.

I'm currently all excited about React / Redux, with cool techniques like hot module reload and time travel. If you've not heard of these before, you've got to watch this video:


Also been doing quite a bit of desktop HTML5 recently.

How times have changed ...

Colin E.

Pavan Podila

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Apr 1, 2016, 4:07:49 PM4/1/16
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In the same boat as Colin :-) and enjoying it. I’ve never felt as elated as debugging inside Chrome DevTools. WPF should have been that easier and I would have stuck to it ;-)



Thanks,
Pavan Podila

Peter O'Hanlon

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Apr 1, 2016, 4:20:18 PM4/1/16
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Ironically, with the live XAML debugging in VS2015 it's a whole lot easier debugging WPF apps now.

Pavan Podila

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Apr 1, 2016, 4:25:36 PM4/1/16
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Interesting. Its sadly 5 years too late for my adoption :-|

Thanks,
Pavan Podila

Peter O'Hanlon

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Apr 1, 2016, 4:29:04 PM4/1/16
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Fortunately for me I still drink from that particular Kool aid.

Laurent Bugnion

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Apr 1, 2016, 5:50:01 PM4/1/16
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You should really check the new xaml debugging tools, it is as good (or better) as html dev tools. Edit and continue, live property explorer, diagnostics…

 

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Pavan Podila

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Apr 1, 2016, 5:59:12 PM4/1/16
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Nice!

Will take a look.

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Marlon Grech

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Apr 2, 2016, 8:36:45 AM4/2/16
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cool stuff... I also am doing loads of web... in love with TypeScript + Aurelia :)

this said I still have a soft spot for WPF ! :) 


Regards

Marlon Grech
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Laurent Bugnion

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Apr 2, 2016, 3:50:19 PM4/2/16
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Happy to say I didn’t have to go that route. Native all the way,  still a lot of WPF but also other xaml frameworks, lots of xamarin and since end of last year we do HoloLens development.

 

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From: Marlon Grech
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Subject: Re: [WPF Disciples] I know, we've all forgotten WPF, the once loved child

 

cool stuff... I also am doing loads of web... in love with TypeScript + Aurelia :)

 

this said I still have a soft spot for WPF ! :) 


Regards

Marlon Grech
Founder

Thynk Software, BellaVista Court,
Gorg Borg Oliver Street,
Gozo, Malta, VCT 2517

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Peter O'Hanlon

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Apr 2, 2016, 3:53:08 PM4/2/16
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Similar path for me without the Hololens at the moment.

Laurent Bugnion

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Apr 2, 2016, 5:35:56 PM4/2/16
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You should try it, it’s fun 😁

 

(just teasing you here buddy)

 

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Peter O'Hanlon

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Apr 2, 2016, 5:36:59 PM4/2/16
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Evil. Just evil.

Mark Smith

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Apr 2, 2016, 5:37:57 PM4/2/16
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I think Laurent was offering to send you one Marlon!

Laurent Bugnion

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Apr 2, 2016, 5:51:15 PM4/2/16
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I don’t even have mine yet. We had two in the office since November but it was forbidden to even take them out.

 

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Peter O'Hanlon

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Apr 3, 2016, 3:54:29 AM4/3/16
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The fun thing for me.  Pluralsight asked me to write the course on Hololens programming last year.  Now I have the SDK and emulator but it's not really the same.

Sacha Barber

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Apr 3, 2016, 4:11:39 AM4/3/16
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Ah to be honest I like right tool for the right job. If I have to program in a new language call it "banana" as long as it's right tool for the job,and it's interesting great.

I don't care if I'm doing Web or desktop,I'm as much into JVM stuffs Microsoft these days. Its all good stuff

Brennon Williams

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Apr 9, 2016, 8:42:56 AM4/9/16
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Sorry all, I don’t check this email much anymore – but great to see this thread.

 

Hope you are all well?

 

Have fun with whatever technology you are using.

 

Cheers

Colin Eberhardt

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Apr 11, 2016, 3:24:47 AM4/11/16
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I read that as 'sorry I don't check email all that often anymore' - that would be odd ;-)

Brennon Williams

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Apr 11, 2016, 9:23:34 AM4/11/16
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Well there is probably some truth to that as well Colin ;-) If it is that important, someone will call me.

 

Hope you are well!

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