Re: [MCOBA Mail] Fwd: Silent Night in Bahasa Indonesia

[Nik A. Azmi]

I still wonder to this day why Tok Tabib was by-passed to be the KSN despite being best qualified and suited for the job???

Why? Why?? Why???

Salam.

SORAK!!!

From: Rahim Ismail Sent: Sunday, 29 December 2013 15:53 To: mcoba...@googlegroups.com Reply To: mcoba...@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [MCOBA Mail] Fwd: Silent Night in Bahasa Indonesia

Nana Nani Mami Mamu

Si DSSD semua dia tahu

Hukhukhuk

2013/12/29 SD <s...@mcoba.org>

Ayam denak dani

Makan bijik jagung

Jangan tanya kami

Kami anak Tanjung

Endui endui cak
Cak makan padi
Nana duk terbeliak
Takut dekat  mami.

Nai nai boi

Kelentong jawa

Nana timboi

Mami suka.

Hakhakhak.

2013/12/29 Rahim Ismail <rah...@gmail.com>

DSSD ~ you never cease to amaze me with your deep knowledge of matters both esoteric and mundane ! Detailed policy machinations one minute and the billeting of an ex-MOH DG most specifically in Dorm 13 in mid-fifties the next, or the sojourn of the Sardon brothers at kolet, seem to pour out of your memory pot with equal ease ! Truly, I'm dumbfounded ! Hang ni geliga betoi !

By the way, is there anything that you don't know ????

I suppose that wouldn't be worth knowing, right ?

Salaam and have a great Sunday

Nana V55 Sulaiman

 

2013/12/29 Ahmad Jantan 63 MShah <dr.ahma...@gmail.com>

Sekali lagi, terima kasih Tok DSDSD di atas penerangan luas dan pencerahan mantap tentang lazim dan bahasa baku.

MatGun 63MS

2013/12/29 SD <s...@mcoba.org>

Benar.

Namun takramai sedar bahawa sebutan baku sudahpun berlaku

lama sebelum MABBIM. Semua lagu-lagu Melayu sini disebut

baku eg olboi bernama Ar Azmi nyanyikan "Air mata kasih, berinangan

berlinangan selalu..." walaupun ejaannya Ayer mata kaseh.....

Dengar bgmn R dlm ayer/air disebut nyata dan ayer bukan disebut ae
sebgmn org Johor Kln dll sebut.begitu juga dgn semua lagu terbitan

sini.

Cuma kmdn selepas mid-1960 bilamana DaudKilau dsb masuk ke alam
muzika baharu terdapat bbrp lagu disebut cara org Johor. Seterusnya

SheikhMuhammadSalim yang dulunya nyanyi dgn sebutan baku pun buat
lagu semi-lawak dgn sebutan a la Melaker eg lagu Aper nak jadi sampai sekaghang tak kawen. Muler muler sayer kawen dgn rafidah....(sheesh)

kmdn dgn shahrezad (sheesh). Hakhakhak.

Bandingkan dgn lagu yang si Arab Melaka tu mempopularkan namanya awal 1950-an ie Demi buana dan semuanya seisi alam menjadi saksi..... dst. Dmkn juga lagu SyedHamid (Spura) eg Walhasil balik Asal....Itu sebab tak hasil 1951.

Tak siapapun komplen tentang sebutan yang sangat dimengerti dan diiktiraf
sbg bahasa Melayu tanpa faktor emosi kedaerahan. Kalu yang sebenar
kedaerahan mcm Ayam den lapeh atawa Takanang jo kampueng, tak mengapa
sabit orang sedar itu lagu daerah. Oz org Perak pun ada nyanyikan lagu

Musim Doghoyan dst.

Baku bakulah mnkl daerah daerahlah. Mana ada faktor politaik dulu? Awat

 nak adakan pertimbangan politaik kmdnnya. Org TVT-ga suka benar

bhs sebutan baku yang brgkali memberikan audience lebih luas seraya menyenangkan depa sbg syarikat.Tapi bila ada arahan Stop drpd sang yang berkuasa, depa kecewa.

Saya tahu semua ini sebab saya wujud dlm Lembaga DB&Pustaka.
  

2013/12/28 Ahmad Jantan 63 MShah <dr.ahma...@gmail.com>

Terima kasih Tok DSDSD di atas penerangan dan pencerahan mantap tentang bahasa baku.

Tujuan saya menyahut ayat Tok DSDSD "Bila ada usaha nak bakukan istilah/kata dan sebutan oleh orang spt Niksafiah dll, faktor politaik jelma lagi eg kata perlian Baku=bahasa keling utara"  ini ialah bagi menampakkan isu dalam pembahasaan baku MBBIM ini bahawa pengejaan baku sudah mantap tetapi penyebutan baku masih tidak mantap.

Pada pertengahan70an, bilamana MBBIM memutuskan tatacara bahasa baku seragam bagi Negara Brunei, Indonesia, Malaysia dan Singapura, yang diusulkan terdahulu ialah ejaan baku. Ini tiada masalah penerimaan dan pemakaian walaupun ada rungutan, misalnya  tentang e pepet dan e taling. Tetapi bilamana kemudian diketengahkan sebutan baku, ia menyahut beberapa masalah kedaerahan. Tiada masalah orang mengubah pengejaan; tapi bilamana penyebutan terubah, ada orang kurang senang, terutama apabila kedengaran Bahasa Melayu Semenanjung terbunyi macam Bahasa Indonesia. Nampak macam nak hilang/hapus Identiti keMelayuan Semenanjung.

Benar ejaan MBBIM banyak menyelesaikan pengejaan serantau. Semasa di sekolah menengah zaman 60han dahulu, saya ada membaca novel novel HAMKA, Marah Rusli dll. dan sedar akan perbezaan ejaan (dan istilah) Indonesia dengan Malaysia, Singapura dan Brunei.

Sebagai guru, saya diharuskan mempelajari, memahami, memahirkan diri dan mengimplimenkan tata ejaan baru itu di dalam tugasan saya. Kena ikut beberapa kursus juga. Saya sedar akan pencerahan mendalam Tok DSDSD. Saya masih simpan buku tentang ejaan baku ini.

Bahasa baku meliputi pengejaan/tulisan baku dan pengebutan/lisan baku. Sudah saya tuliskan awal tadi, tiada masalah dalam pengejaan baku. Tapi bilamana pengebutan baku disogokkan, hingga sekarang pun, di dalam mesyuarat rasmi jabatan jabatan kerajaan, malahan di Parlimen Malaysia sekalipun, penyebutan baku belum mantap. Malah Bahasa Inggeris yang lebih. Jangan diharapkan sangatlah di pihak swasta dan korporat membakukan Bahasa Melayu.

Bijakpandai boleh mengusulkan berbagai yang bernas tetapi penerimaannya perkara lain. Sama juga halnya dalam hal politik, ramai bijakpandai (dan Br Bul dalam hal Pendidikan) memberi ide, tetapi penerimaan satu perkara lain. 

Kepada saya, kalau nak baku biar baku penuh tanpa pengecualian. Tak sesuai orang Jawa memaksa semua orang Nusantara menulis pamer dan calon misalnya. Dan nanti orang Terengganu akan minta boleh dieja dan disebut buleh, dsbnya. "Saya" harus disebut saya sahaja, tidak saya, saye atau sayo. Itu sebab ada saya bangkatkan "yang mana datang dahulu, kebolehan bercakap/tutur atau kebolehan menulis". Jawapannya sudah pasti, dan tidak seperti ayam dan telur yang boleh didebat. 

Tok DSDSD, tidak terlintas di hati saya untuk bertelagah. Kepada saya kalau nak buat sesuatu, harus semua, tanpa pengecualian. Seperti juga bilamana menerima Islam juga kan, buat semua yang disuruh dan jauhkan semua yang ditegah. Bukannya solat disempurnakan tetapi Jalan Alor (bukan Alur) juga dikunjungi kan.

Sekali lagi Tok DSDSD, saya ni bukan hendak bertelagah tetapi sekadar menampakkan pandangan saya, buat/terima keseluruhan.

Maaf dan Salam

MatGun 63 MS   

On 27 December 2013 11:04, SD <s...@mcoba.org> wrote:

Satu problem kita ialah bahasa Melayu dianggap milik orang Melayu.

Orang Melayu dikira Islam sebab masyarakat tak boleh terima seseorang

itu Melayu jika bukan beragama Islam. Malahan cukup mudah kita terima

Keling dan mualaf sbg Melayu dan dinaikkan pangkat melangkaui Cina dan

hindu dll Kapiaq dlm beberapa kes yang nyata.

 Di Hindia Belanda, secara rasmi bagi rakyat pribuminya menerima dan akui

bahawa depa adalah sebangsa Indonesia senegara Indonesia dan sebahasa

Indonesia sejak 1928. Bahasa Indonesia ialah bahasa depa semua baik Hindu

Xtian Budhhist Kapiaq atawa apa sahaja anutan kepercayaan.

Bahasa Indonesia sejak 1945 bukan bahasa Melayu/Riau/Jambi iaitu bahasa 

yg sekadar bahasa kampungan, sptmn juga bhs Banjar Aceh dll.

Dalam Perlembagaan pun tiada ada bahasa Malaysia sungguhpun diperkenalkan

sedmkn oleh Tunku. Yang ada ialah bahasa Kebangsaan diperihalkan sbg bahasa

Melayu. Bahasa Melayu pulak di sini banyak mrip kpd bhd dialek Johor, almaklum

RadioMalaya dan DewanBahasa sejak 1950-an diterajui orang Riau/Johor. Itulah

sebab, antarlain, kata 'kelmarin' tak hidup dan baku dlm istilah kita bagi maksud hari

sebelum hari ini. Kelmarin dgn kelainan sebutan digunakan di PPgKedahPerlisKlnTrg

SabahSarawak iaitu majoriti pengucap bahasa bagi erti yesterday. Namun dipinggirka 

oleh kata Semalam kerana itu dialek bbrp Negeri terutama Johor bg maksud yesterday. 

Semalam secara rasmi dan tepat dlm bahasa Melayu bermaksud satu malam ie One 

night sptmn Dua malam ialah Two nights. Lain-lain kata dialek Johor yang turut mengelirukan 

ialah kata spt Siapa nama awak yg yogia disebut Apa nama awak; juga Kamu datang daripada 

mana pdhal daripada maksudnya utk perihal waktu atawa tempat selain maksud bandingan 

ie Than. 

Bila ada usaha nak bakukan istilah/kata dan sebutan oleh orang spt Niksafiah dll, faktor 

politaik jelma lagi eg kata perlian Baku=bahasa keling utara.

Sheesh.

 

On Fri, Dec 27, 2013 at 10:37 AM, Salimrazi <as...@mcoba.org> wrote:

Try sending the u tube to zahid hamily and see what he decides!!!hahahah

Next rule no carol singin in bahasa!!!

Half past six is 30 to seven'

Sent from my iPhone

On 27/12/2013, at 9:56 PG, Alikarimy <alika...@gmail.com> wrote:

" A house divided against itself cannot stand " and " you can't have your cake and eat it too " . Semua pihak kena berkompromi  !

Ali Karim

C72 Idris 

Sent from my iPad

On Dec 27, 2013, at 8:40 AM, SD <s...@mcoba.org> wrote:

No bans are effective in this internet age.
Tolerance as advocated in the Rukunegara is sole
choice ie lk:
"....mengamalkan sikap liberal terhadap kepelbagaian
tradisi dan budaya....." dsb.

On Fri, Dec 27, 2013 at 12:51 AM, <alika...@gmail.com> wrote:

How nice if all Malaysians can tolerate a single stream national school with the accepted medium of teaching in BM.

Thank you.

Ali Karim

Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.

From: Rahim Ismail Sent: Friday, 27 December 2013 00:37 To: mcoba...@googlegroups.com Reply To: mcoba...@googlegroups.com Subject: [MCOBA Mail] Fwd: Silent Night in Bahasa Indonesia

A Malaysian friend, now working in Indonesia, sent me this.

Pretty Indonesian ( Malay stock ) lasses of the Christian faith, I presume.

Lovely rendition. There's a part in the solo sung by one of the girls that's ala our Sit  N.

I thoroughly enjoyed this piece. They are expressing the joys of the coming of Nabi Isa 

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My Fellow Rotarian,

 

Listen to this very sweet rendition of Silent Night in Bahasa Indonesia. How nice if we Malaysian can just as tolerable as Indonesian it will be better and happy for all Malaysian. Thank you.

 

 

 

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UH67W4esuIE&sns=em

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UH67W4esuIE&sns=em

 

Selamat Hari Natal

 

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