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J Womack
Jul 29, 2008, 2:45:37 PM7/29/08
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I am a descendant of Jesse Womack through his son John N, by his first
wife Dorothy Pryor (Prior).
I know that Jesse remarried at some point, to a woman named Phoebe
_____. Does anyone know the second wife's maiden name?
I have not found much on my family line on this website, so I am
excited to be adding a part of a branch of the Womack family back in.
Through Ancestry.com and my great-great-grandfather's family Bible,
plus recollections of family members, headstone information, etc., I
have pieced together a rather large family tree that I am confident in
all the way back to Jesse Womack (1739 - 1815).
From what I can tell, this ties me back through the Richards to the
near-mythical William the Immigrant. I have little in the way of
records to tie all of that together, however, relying mostly on the
work of others through Ancestry.com.
My lineage runs thus:
Jesse Womack m. Dorothy Pryor >
John N. Womack m. Frances Coleman >
Jesse Womack m. Julia Ann Brown >
Daniel Brown Womack m. Mary Elizabeth Greene >
James Lawrence Womack m. Annie Bell Tickle >
George Willie Womack m. Ruby Mae Smith >
Jimmy Lynn Womack m. Leslie Ann Loyd >
James Loyd Womack [me] m. Chandra Franklin Womack >
Greyson George Womack
William Dane Womack
Family went from Henrico Co., VA > Burke Co., GA > Washington
Co., AL > Grimes Co., TX > Navarro Co., TX > McLennan Co., TX
I hope this is of interest to y'all. I have more information on
siblings, etc., if there is interest.
wife Dorothy Pryor (Prior).
I know that Jesse remarried at some point, to a woman named Phoebe
_____. Does anyone know the second wife's maiden name?
I have not found much on my family line on this website, so I am
excited to be adding a part of a branch of the Womack family back in.
Through Ancestry.com and my great-great-grandfather's family Bible,
plus recollections of family members, headstone information, etc., I
have pieced together a rather large family tree that I am confident in
all the way back to Jesse Womack (1739 - 1815).
From what I can tell, this ties me back through the Richards to the
near-mythical William the Immigrant. I have little in the way of
records to tie all of that together, however, relying mostly on the
work of others through Ancestry.com.
My lineage runs thus:
Jesse Womack m. Dorothy Pryor >
John N. Womack m. Frances Coleman >
Jesse Womack m. Julia Ann Brown >
Daniel Brown Womack m. Mary Elizabeth Greene >
James Lawrence Womack m. Annie Bell Tickle >
George Willie Womack m. Ruby Mae Smith >
Jimmy Lynn Womack m. Leslie Ann Loyd >
James Loyd Womack [me] m. Chandra Franklin Womack >
Greyson George Womack
William Dane Womack
Family went from Henrico Co., VA > Burke Co., GA > Washington
Co., AL > Grimes Co., TX > Navarro Co., TX > McLennan Co., TX
I hope this is of interest to y'all. I have more information on
siblings, etc., if there is interest.
Sammers
Jul 30, 2008, 12:04:13 PM7/30/08
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John
Welcome!! and any ionfo you care to share is always welcome..
sam
Welcome!! and any ionfo you care to share is always welcome..
sam
REB
Jul 30, 2008, 8:21:12 PM7/30/08
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Welcome to the group!
I agree on your lineage except for the part about Jesse Womack's first
wife being Dorothy Pryor. This may be correct, I have just never seen
the proof. If you know of some proof of this, I would like to see it.
A Phoebe Womack appears in tax lists of Washington Co, AL (which was
part of Mississippi territory at the time). See http://www.womacknet.com/sources/wgv4n2.html
Researchers have assumed Phoebe was Jesse Womack Sr's wife, though
there is no absolute proof, it is probably true.
I agree on your lineage except for the part about Jesse Womack's first
wife being Dorothy Pryor. This may be correct, I have just never seen
the proof. If you know of some proof of this, I would like to see it.
A Phoebe Womack appears in tax lists of Washington Co, AL (which was
part of Mississippi territory at the time). See http://www.womacknet.com/sources/wgv4n2.html
Researchers have assumed Phoebe was Jesse Womack Sr's wife, though
there is no absolute proof, it is probably true.
J Womack
Aug 2, 2008, 1:10:38 PM8/2/08
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It's J, not John....
But thanks for the welcome!
J
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But thanks for the welcome!
J
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J Womack
Aug 2, 2008, 1:20:17 PM8/2/08
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Robert,
I got the Dorothy Pryor information from a record of Georgia's
Revolutionary soldiers, where she is listed as his first wife, with a
second wife being Phoebe _____. As far as children are concerned, it
lists two for Dorothy (Elizabeth and John N.) and one for Phoebe
(William), with possibly more from Phoebe.
If you have access to Ancestry.com, the record is called the Roster of
Revoloutionary Soldiers in Georgia Vol. I, in Chapter B, page 210. The
same page also mentions Frances Coleman, the father of Francis
Coleman, who married Jesse Womack's son John N., and is therefore also
my ancestor.
It also has information on Jesse's military service and describes the
bounty land of 287 1/2 acre he received in Washington Co. for his
service.
All in all, a very helpful record.
J
On Jul 30, 7:21 pm, REB <robert.earl.bu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Welcome to the group!
>
> I agree on your lineage except for the part about Jesse Womack's first
> wife being Dorothy Pryor. This may be correct, I have just never seen
> the proof. If you know of some proof of this, I would like to see it.
>
> A Phoebe Womack appears in tax lists of Washington Co, AL (which was
> part of Mississippi territory at the time). Seehttp://www.womacknet.com/sources/wgv4n2.html
I got the Dorothy Pryor information from a record of Georgia's
Revolutionary soldiers, where she is listed as his first wife, with a
second wife being Phoebe _____. As far as children are concerned, it
lists two for Dorothy (Elizabeth and John N.) and one for Phoebe
(William), with possibly more from Phoebe.
If you have access to Ancestry.com, the record is called the Roster of
Revoloutionary Soldiers in Georgia Vol. I, in Chapter B, page 210. The
same page also mentions Frances Coleman, the father of Francis
Coleman, who married Jesse Womack's son John N., and is therefore also
my ancestor.
It also has information on Jesse's military service and describes the
bounty land of 287 1/2 acre he received in Washington Co. for his
service.
All in all, a very helpful record.
J
On Jul 30, 7:21 pm, REB <robert.earl.bu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Welcome to the group!
>
> I agree on your lineage except for the part about Jesse Womack's first
> wife being Dorothy Pryor. This may be correct, I have just never seen
> the proof. If you know of some proof of this, I would like to see it.
>
> A Phoebe Womack appears in tax lists of Washington Co, AL (which was
REB
Aug 2, 2008, 2:39:49 PM8/2/08
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Hi J,
Please don't get me wrong, I am just playing devil's advocate here.
The source you cite is not an original source at all. It is from a
DAR (Daughters of the American Revolution) application. There are
several people on this board who can tell you that DAR is not too
picky about the evidence it requires for membership.
That said, there are certainly first-hand, historical records that
Jesse Womack was in the Rev War. He was not Lieutenant at that time,
just a private, because the land grant he got was the amount of land
given to privates. He became a Lt of the militia of Burke Co, GA
after the war, under Capt Blasingame Harvey. He moved to what later
became Washington Co, AL, where he died. Tax records there indicate
his widow was Phoebe, and he had sons John, Jesse, William, Richard,
and Francis. There is also a record from the 1770s where Richard
Womack gave his son Jesse a slave, witnessed by Abraham and Martha
Womack (Abraham was Jesse's brother, and Martha was Abraham's wife).
So, most of the stuff in the source you cite can be documented. I am
working on getting it documented properly. I think it is important to
realize that the DAR book is NOT documentation in any way, shape, or
form. Real documentation cites original records (such as deeds,
wills, tax lists, censuses, bibles) and gives the county, record type,
book, page number, date, etc. The idea is that another researcher can
actually follow in your footsteps and verify all of this. Believe it
or not, there are plenty of fake genealogies floating around, and they
keep popping up because no one bothers to verify the info.
The only the thing about Jesse I am questioning is that his first wife
was Dorothy Pryor. I have never seen that in an original document.
What makes this very suspect is that Jesse's brothers, David and John
Womack, married Pryor sisters, Mildred and Lucy respectively. This
all happened in Caswell Co, NC, and it is all documented. Mildred and
Lucy Pryor had a sister named Dorothy, but she married Henry McNeill,
and they moved to Christian Co, KY where Dorothy died in 1824. Again,
all documented. SO, it seems unlikely that Jesse married a different
Dorothy Pryor. Perhaps Jesse's Dorothy Pryor was a cousin of the of
the one who died in KY, but I doubt it. Pryor family researchers have
done a great job with this family, and I know of no branch in Georgia.
See http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/w/o/m/Glenn-D-Womack-KY/FILE/0001page.html
Although the article says is was written by Jean Stephenson, it was
not. Jean Stephenson received it in the early 1900s from another
Womack researcher, whose identity is unknown. Jean Stephenson was a
very good researcher who would not have published undocumented stuff.
Back on the old WGN message board, researcher David Dunn uncovered all
of this years ago. Most of the info seems to originate from
"research" done in the mid-1800s on behalf of John Warburton Womack of
Butler Co, AL - he was a grandson of Abraham Womack, the brother of
your Jesse. John Warburton Womack hired men to research his family in
Virginia and in England. These men were less than scrupulous, and
began making stuff up. They correctly stated that Richard Womack was
the father of Abraham and Jesse, but then said Richard's father was an
Abraham or Ashby Womack who came from England about 1716, settling in
Prince Edward County, Virginia - a load of tripe, since Prince Edward
Co, VA did not form until 1753, and that area of VA was not even
settled by whites in 1716. Also, modern Womack research shows that
Richard Womack III came from Henrico Co, VA and that his father was
also Richard.
The article says this:
****************************************
When the Womacks settled in Georgia near the site of Augusta, then a
trading village inhabited by Indians and white men, Indian traders who
had married Indian wives and had been adopted into Indian tribes. It
is probable that Dorothy Pryor-Jesse Womack’s first wife- is the
daughter of a Choctaw Princess, and her father from that old and
distinguished family of Virginia Pryors. Dorothy and Jesse Womack had
a very large family of children. Among them we find (1) David and
Richard Mansel, who moved into Louisiana, where he many descendants
have done credit to the name. (2) John, who went with his wife’s
people, the Colemans, into Alabama, and (3) William who remained in
Georgia.
****************************************
Of course, every Indian woman who married a white man was a princess.
The David and Richard Mansel Womack who moved to Louisianna were not
Jesse's sons. David was Jesse's brother, but he probably died in GA
before his sons, including Richard Mansel, moved to St Helena Parish,
LA - this is the same David Womack who married Mildred Pryor, and in
the 1780s sold out in Caswell Co, NC and moved near his brother Jesse
in GA. The part about William staying in GA is also wrong, since tax
lists show him with Jesse in Washington County, Mississipi Territory
(later part of Alabama). The only correct part is about Jesse's son
John and the Colemans.
Since much of the "John Warburton Womack genealogy" is made up, the
part about Jesse marrying Dorothy Pryor may also be made up.
By the way, the birth and death dates often cited for Richard Womack
III - 7 Dec 1710 - 25 Jul 1785 - are also part of the "John Warbuton
Womack genealogy", they are also highly suspect. They are probably
close. However, it is said Richard died in 1785 while visiting son
Abraham in Hancock Co, GA - Hancock did not form until 1793, so this
is pretty suspect.
So, unless someone can show me real proof of Dorothy Pryor as Jesse
Womack's wife, I can only say he was married just once to Phobe LNU
(last name unknown).
I am totally open to any new evidence, but it has to be better than a
DAR application.
-Robert
> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
Please don't get me wrong, I am just playing devil's advocate here.
The source you cite is not an original source at all. It is from a
DAR (Daughters of the American Revolution) application. There are
several people on this board who can tell you that DAR is not too
picky about the evidence it requires for membership.
That said, there are certainly first-hand, historical records that
Jesse Womack was in the Rev War. He was not Lieutenant at that time,
just a private, because the land grant he got was the amount of land
given to privates. He became a Lt of the militia of Burke Co, GA
after the war, under Capt Blasingame Harvey. He moved to what later
became Washington Co, AL, where he died. Tax records there indicate
his widow was Phoebe, and he had sons John, Jesse, William, Richard,
and Francis. There is also a record from the 1770s where Richard
Womack gave his son Jesse a slave, witnessed by Abraham and Martha
Womack (Abraham was Jesse's brother, and Martha was Abraham's wife).
So, most of the stuff in the source you cite can be documented. I am
working on getting it documented properly. I think it is important to
realize that the DAR book is NOT documentation in any way, shape, or
form. Real documentation cites original records (such as deeds,
wills, tax lists, censuses, bibles) and gives the county, record type,
book, page number, date, etc. The idea is that another researcher can
actually follow in your footsteps and verify all of this. Believe it
or not, there are plenty of fake genealogies floating around, and they
keep popping up because no one bothers to verify the info.
The only the thing about Jesse I am questioning is that his first wife
was Dorothy Pryor. I have never seen that in an original document.
What makes this very suspect is that Jesse's brothers, David and John
Womack, married Pryor sisters, Mildred and Lucy respectively. This
all happened in Caswell Co, NC, and it is all documented. Mildred and
Lucy Pryor had a sister named Dorothy, but she married Henry McNeill,
and they moved to Christian Co, KY where Dorothy died in 1824. Again,
all documented. SO, it seems unlikely that Jesse married a different
Dorothy Pryor. Perhaps Jesse's Dorothy Pryor was a cousin of the of
the one who died in KY, but I doubt it. Pryor family researchers have
done a great job with this family, and I know of no branch in Georgia.
See http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/w/o/m/Glenn-D-Womack-KY/FILE/0001page.html
Although the article says is was written by Jean Stephenson, it was
not. Jean Stephenson received it in the early 1900s from another
Womack researcher, whose identity is unknown. Jean Stephenson was a
very good researcher who would not have published undocumented stuff.
Back on the old WGN message board, researcher David Dunn uncovered all
of this years ago. Most of the info seems to originate from
"research" done in the mid-1800s on behalf of John Warburton Womack of
Butler Co, AL - he was a grandson of Abraham Womack, the brother of
your Jesse. John Warburton Womack hired men to research his family in
Virginia and in England. These men were less than scrupulous, and
began making stuff up. They correctly stated that Richard Womack was
the father of Abraham and Jesse, but then said Richard's father was an
Abraham or Ashby Womack who came from England about 1716, settling in
Prince Edward County, Virginia - a load of tripe, since Prince Edward
Co, VA did not form until 1753, and that area of VA was not even
settled by whites in 1716. Also, modern Womack research shows that
Richard Womack III came from Henrico Co, VA and that his father was
also Richard.
The article says this:
****************************************
When the Womacks settled in Georgia near the site of Augusta, then a
trading village inhabited by Indians and white men, Indian traders who
had married Indian wives and had been adopted into Indian tribes. It
is probable that Dorothy Pryor-Jesse Womack’s first wife- is the
daughter of a Choctaw Princess, and her father from that old and
distinguished family of Virginia Pryors. Dorothy and Jesse Womack had
a very large family of children. Among them we find (1) David and
Richard Mansel, who moved into Louisiana, where he many descendants
have done credit to the name. (2) John, who went with his wife’s
people, the Colemans, into Alabama, and (3) William who remained in
Georgia.
****************************************
Of course, every Indian woman who married a white man was a princess.
The David and Richard Mansel Womack who moved to Louisianna were not
Jesse's sons. David was Jesse's brother, but he probably died in GA
before his sons, including Richard Mansel, moved to St Helena Parish,
LA - this is the same David Womack who married Mildred Pryor, and in
the 1780s sold out in Caswell Co, NC and moved near his brother Jesse
in GA. The part about William staying in GA is also wrong, since tax
lists show him with Jesse in Washington County, Mississipi Territory
(later part of Alabama). The only correct part is about Jesse's son
John and the Colemans.
Since much of the "John Warburton Womack genealogy" is made up, the
part about Jesse marrying Dorothy Pryor may also be made up.
By the way, the birth and death dates often cited for Richard Womack
III - 7 Dec 1710 - 25 Jul 1785 - are also part of the "John Warbuton
Womack genealogy", they are also highly suspect. They are probably
close. However, it is said Richard died in 1785 while visiting son
Abraham in Hancock Co, GA - Hancock did not form until 1793, so this
is pretty suspect.
So, unless someone can show me real proof of Dorothy Pryor as Jesse
Womack's wife, I can only say he was married just once to Phobe LNU
(last name unknown).
I am totally open to any new evidence, but it has to be better than a
DAR application.
-Robert
Beth
Aug 3, 2008, 1:56:47 AM8/3/08
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Our Shirley Womack, a Pryor descendant, sent me a copy of John Pryor's
Will tonight. I'm sure she'll be happy to share it.
Brother, Jesse Womack is never mentioned in the docs of John Pryor,
father of Mildred Pryor Womack, Lucy Pryor Tapley Womack and Dorothy
Pryor McNeill.
http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~lpproots/Pryor/pryorbk.htm
From "Twenty-One Southern Familes: Notes and Genealogies," by
Elizabeth Pryor Harper, Patricia Freeman, Compiler and Editor, 1985.
North Carolina Pryors, beginning at page 146. Note this was
published in 1985.
Note John Pryor's Will is dated 28 Dec 1771. Lucy Pryor Tapley Womack
might have been was a widow at the time her father's Will was
drafted. Hosea Tapley, Jr. apparently died ca. 1770. Lucy's father,
John Pryor signed an Affidavit regarding Hosea's land.
Affidavit: The day came Victory Rankin and made oath that she was at
Hosea Taypley's Jr before he died and he said land to go to sons, John
Pryor TAPLEY and Hosea TAPLEY - one part to go to another son if his
wife have one. JOHN PRYOR (signed) March 22 1770.
JOHN PRYOR Will Book A p 160 Orange CO.,: I John Pryor, of North
Carolina, Orange Co., son ROBERT PRYOR - land in Granville, daughters
- Elizabeth FLOURNOY, Rhoda STONE, Mildred WOMACK, Lucy TAPLEY;
Grandson JOHN PRYOR, son of GREEN PRYOR, daughter Leah PERKINS,
granddaughter Betty Green PRYOR, daughters Rachel POPE, Dority PRYOR,
Moritha (Henrietta) PRYOR, Sons JOHN HENRY PRYOR, ABNER PRYOR,
Grandson JOHN PRYOR SMITH (Virginia money) I direct land I purchased
from Hosea TAPLEY Jr 301 acres on Flat River be sold and the money
divided. Wife Margaret PRYOR executrix. Dated 28th Dec 1771.
Witnesses: Burges HARRELSON, Joseph HICKS, Peter ROGERS. Proved Jan
1772
JOHN PRYOR Caswell CO., Deed Book A p 16 May 28 1777 William STONE and
David WOMACK and Margaret PRYOR widow executrix of the estate of JOHN
PRYOR deceased of Orange CO., to Henry MCNEILL the land John Pryor
purchased from Hosea Tapley Sr J Hosea Tapley Jr Adjoining each
other.
JOHN PRYOR of Orange CO., NC. daughter DOROTHY PRYOR b Va March 23
1775 m Henry MCNEAL b Argylshire Scotland March 20 1755, to Virginia
1771, to NC, and in 1817 to Christian CO., Ky, d near Hopkinsville Nov
3 1820.........He resided Person CO., NC until 1817 when he drove a
buggy ("said to be the first owned by anyone in NC") to Christian CO.,
Ky. Children of Henry and Dorothy (Pryor) McNeal: Alexander, Angus,
Margaret (m BURKE), Henrietta (m Joshua GRANT) JOHN PRYOR, Catherine,
Hector, PRYOR, Eliza, Malcolm, etc. Dorothy m Henry Petersburg VA She
d Mar 23 1824.
Henry MCNEILL and wife Dolly (Dorothy (moved to Chisholm CO., Ky in
1817); Henrietta PRYOR; JOHN HENRY PRYOR (m Elizabeth STOKES, buried
Georgia near William MELTON); GREEN PRYOR; ROBERT PRYOR. Hon. JOHN
PRYOR, father of the above, served three or four terms as Member of
North Carolina House of Commons. At the time of his death, from Orange
CO., NC.
Margaret GAINES wife of Hon. JOHN PRYOR, moved from Hanover CO., Va,
first to Edgecombe CO., NC in 1748, then to Caswell-Orange CO., NC
1753.
The Pryor researchers say Dorothy Pryor McNeill died 23 Mar 1824.
Now here's some info on Jesse & Dorothy that Robert Keith Elliott put
out in 1995. He has Dorothy died in 1777.
http://users.aol.com/RKElliott/womack.htm
Some Descendants of William Womack and Mary Jane Allen
Jesse Womack, Lt b: 1739 in Henrico Co., VA d: 1815 in Madison Co.,
GA
+Dorothy Pryor b: March 23, 1755 in GA? d: 1777
Son:
John Womack b: December 25, 1776 d: July 29, 1848 in Womack Hill,
Washington Co., AL
+Frances Coleman d: 1852 in Grimes Co?, TX m: Abt 1797 in GA
Son:
David Womack b: 1777
+Nancy Childress
Son:
Richard Mansel Womack b: 1777
Son:
Edward Womac b: Abt 1779
2nd Wife of Jesse Womack, Lt
+Phoebe somebody b: Abt 1760
Son:
William Womack b: May 25, 1779
Alma Hill Robertson, who descended from Jesse's son, Richard,
abstracted these records and mailed them to the editor of the Womack
Family Association's publication, "Womack Genealogy" in 1960
http://www.womacknet.com/sources/wgv4n2.html
On Aug 2, 1:39 pm, REB <robert.earl.bu...@gmail.com> wrote:
Will tonight. I'm sure she'll be happy to share it.
Brother, Jesse Womack is never mentioned in the docs of John Pryor,
father of Mildred Pryor Womack, Lucy Pryor Tapley Womack and Dorothy
Pryor McNeill.
http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~lpproots/Pryor/pryorbk.htm
From "Twenty-One Southern Familes: Notes and Genealogies," by
Elizabeth Pryor Harper, Patricia Freeman, Compiler and Editor, 1985.
North Carolina Pryors, beginning at page 146. Note this was
published in 1985.
Note John Pryor's Will is dated 28 Dec 1771. Lucy Pryor Tapley Womack
might have been was a widow at the time her father's Will was
drafted. Hosea Tapley, Jr. apparently died ca. 1770. Lucy's father,
John Pryor signed an Affidavit regarding Hosea's land.
Affidavit: The day came Victory Rankin and made oath that she was at
Hosea Taypley's Jr before he died and he said land to go to sons, John
Pryor TAPLEY and Hosea TAPLEY - one part to go to another son if his
wife have one. JOHN PRYOR (signed) March 22 1770.
JOHN PRYOR Will Book A p 160 Orange CO.,: I John Pryor, of North
Carolina, Orange Co., son ROBERT PRYOR - land in Granville, daughters
- Elizabeth FLOURNOY, Rhoda STONE, Mildred WOMACK, Lucy TAPLEY;
Grandson JOHN PRYOR, son of GREEN PRYOR, daughter Leah PERKINS,
granddaughter Betty Green PRYOR, daughters Rachel POPE, Dority PRYOR,
Moritha (Henrietta) PRYOR, Sons JOHN HENRY PRYOR, ABNER PRYOR,
Grandson JOHN PRYOR SMITH (Virginia money) I direct land I purchased
from Hosea TAPLEY Jr 301 acres on Flat River be sold and the money
divided. Wife Margaret PRYOR executrix. Dated 28th Dec 1771.
Witnesses: Burges HARRELSON, Joseph HICKS, Peter ROGERS. Proved Jan
1772
JOHN PRYOR Caswell CO., Deed Book A p 16 May 28 1777 William STONE and
David WOMACK and Margaret PRYOR widow executrix of the estate of JOHN
PRYOR deceased of Orange CO., to Henry MCNEILL the land John Pryor
purchased from Hosea Tapley Sr J Hosea Tapley Jr Adjoining each
other.
JOHN PRYOR of Orange CO., NC. daughter DOROTHY PRYOR b Va March 23
1775 m Henry MCNEAL b Argylshire Scotland March 20 1755, to Virginia
1771, to NC, and in 1817 to Christian CO., Ky, d near Hopkinsville Nov
3 1820.........He resided Person CO., NC until 1817 when he drove a
buggy ("said to be the first owned by anyone in NC") to Christian CO.,
Ky. Children of Henry and Dorothy (Pryor) McNeal: Alexander, Angus,
Margaret (m BURKE), Henrietta (m Joshua GRANT) JOHN PRYOR, Catherine,
Hector, PRYOR, Eliza, Malcolm, etc. Dorothy m Henry Petersburg VA She
d Mar 23 1824.
Henry MCNEILL and wife Dolly (Dorothy (moved to Chisholm CO., Ky in
1817); Henrietta PRYOR; JOHN HENRY PRYOR (m Elizabeth STOKES, buried
Georgia near William MELTON); GREEN PRYOR; ROBERT PRYOR. Hon. JOHN
PRYOR, father of the above, served three or four terms as Member of
North Carolina House of Commons. At the time of his death, from Orange
CO., NC.
Margaret GAINES wife of Hon. JOHN PRYOR, moved from Hanover CO., Va,
first to Edgecombe CO., NC in 1748, then to Caswell-Orange CO., NC
1753.
The Pryor researchers say Dorothy Pryor McNeill died 23 Mar 1824.
Now here's some info on Jesse & Dorothy that Robert Keith Elliott put
out in 1995. He has Dorothy died in 1777.
http://users.aol.com/RKElliott/womack.htm
Some Descendants of William Womack and Mary Jane Allen
Jesse Womack, Lt b: 1739 in Henrico Co., VA d: 1815 in Madison Co.,
GA
+Dorothy Pryor b: March 23, 1755 in GA? d: 1777
Son:
John Womack b: December 25, 1776 d: July 29, 1848 in Womack Hill,
Washington Co., AL
+Frances Coleman d: 1852 in Grimes Co?, TX m: Abt 1797 in GA
Son:
David Womack b: 1777
+Nancy Childress
Son:
Richard Mansel Womack b: 1777
Son:
Edward Womac b: Abt 1779
2nd Wife of Jesse Womack, Lt
+Phoebe somebody b: Abt 1760
Son:
William Womack b: May 25, 1779
Alma Hill Robertson, who descended from Jesse's son, Richard,
abstracted these records and mailed them to the editor of the Womack
Family Association's publication, "Womack Genealogy" in 1960
http://www.womacknet.com/sources/wgv4n2.html
On Aug 2, 1:39 pm, REB <robert.earl.bu...@gmail.com> wrote:
REB
Aug 3, 2008, 4:48:29 AM8/3/08
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See also http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/PRYOR/1997-09/0873350415
The deed abstracts on this page explicitly list Henry McNeill and wife
Dolly as heirs of John Pryor. Note that one of the deeds mentions
Josiah Alday, who was husband of Anne Womack, sister to David and
John. Also mentioned is Robert McFarland, father of James H
McFarland, who married Cisley Womack, daughter of Abraham Womack,
brother of David and John. Robert McFarland was also mentioned in
conjunction with Beth's ancestor, Jacob Womack (another brother of
David and John):
See http://www.womacknet.com/sources/wgv1n2.html#NCLandGrants
Orange County (a Lord Granville Grant, File No. 01362--never
validated) - Jacob Womack - 282 acres. Entered 11 March 1760--700
acres in Orange County, on Mayho Creek, beginning on Mayho's upper
corner and running to Robt. McFarlin's line including the vacant land
betwixt McFarlin's and Hugh Barnett. Issued 6 Feb. 1761. 282 acres
surveyed 23 July 1760. Chain carriers: Jacob Womack and Robt.
McFarland.
Dolly was a common nickname for Dorothy, as I learned when I first
started genealogy - my ancestor Madison Burke married Dorothy "Dolly"
Ellis - marriage record says "Matterson Birk to Dolly Ellis".
Madison Burke's brother, Samuel Burke, married Margaret McNeill,
daughter of Henry McNeill and Margaret Pryor. So, I have known about
this Pryor-Womack connection for years. At first I thought these
Womacks might be my direct ancestors, but as it turns out, David and
John Womack of Caswell & Person Co, NC were the first cousins of my
David Womack of Bedford co, TN.
On Aug 3, 1:56 am, Beth <waltonea0...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:e
The deed abstracts on this page explicitly list Henry McNeill and wife
Dolly as heirs of John Pryor. Note that one of the deeds mentions
Josiah Alday, who was husband of Anne Womack, sister to David and
John. Also mentioned is Robert McFarland, father of James H
McFarland, who married Cisley Womack, daughter of Abraham Womack,
brother of David and John. Robert McFarland was also mentioned in
conjunction with Beth's ancestor, Jacob Womack (another brother of
David and John):
See http://www.womacknet.com/sources/wgv1n2.html#NCLandGrants
Orange County (a Lord Granville Grant, File No. 01362--never
validated) - Jacob Womack - 282 acres. Entered 11 March 1760--700
acres in Orange County, on Mayho Creek, beginning on Mayho's upper
corner and running to Robt. McFarlin's line including the vacant land
betwixt McFarlin's and Hugh Barnett. Issued 6 Feb. 1761. 282 acres
surveyed 23 July 1760. Chain carriers: Jacob Womack and Robt.
McFarland.
Dolly was a common nickname for Dorothy, as I learned when I first
started genealogy - my ancestor Madison Burke married Dorothy "Dolly"
Ellis - marriage record says "Matterson Birk to Dolly Ellis".
Madison Burke's brother, Samuel Burke, married Margaret McNeill,
daughter of Henry McNeill and Margaret Pryor. So, I have known about
this Pryor-Womack connection for years. At first I thought these
Womacks might be my direct ancestors, but as it turns out, David and
John Womack of Caswell & Person Co, NC were the first cousins of my
David Womack of Bedford co, TN.
On Aug 3, 1:56 am, Beth <waltonea0...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:e
Sammers
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Robert
It appears you are correct about Jesse's genealogy being screwed up.
Here is what LDS had on her and would
tend to indicate, by the marriage dates, a divorce?
Dorothy (Dollie) PRYOR
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Event(s)
Birth: 23 Mar 1755
, Orange, N. Carolina
Death: 17 Mar 1824
Hancock Co., Ga
Burial: Mar 1824
, , North Carolina
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Parents
Father: John PRYOR (AFN: D5RX-9J) Family
Mother: Margaret GAINES (AFN: D5RX-BP)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Marriage(s)
Spouse: Jesse WOMACK
Marriage: Cir 1768
Caswell Co., N. C.
Spouse: Henry MCNEILL
Marriage: 23 Mar 1775
, Halifax, Virginia
Sam
It appears you are correct about Jesse's genealogy being screwed up.
Here is what LDS had on her and would
tend to indicate, by the marriage dates, a divorce?
Dorothy (Dollie) PRYOR
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Event(s)
Birth: 23 Mar 1755
, Orange, N. Carolina
Death: 17 Mar 1824
Hancock Co., Ga
Burial: Mar 1824
, , North Carolina
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Parents
Father: John PRYOR (AFN: D5RX-9J) Family
Mother: Margaret GAINES (AFN: D5RX-BP)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Marriage(s)
Spouse: Jesse WOMACK
Marriage: Cir 1768
Caswell Co., N. C.
Spouse: Henry MCNEILL
Marriage: 23 Mar 1775
, Halifax, Virginia
Sam
J Womack
Aug 4, 2008, 6:53:46 PM8/4/08
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I had the same thought, that perhaps Jesse Womack and Dorothy Pryor
had divorced. Where would you find a rcord of that?
On Aug 3, 11:11 am, Sammers <samsawa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Robert
> It appears you are correct about Jesse's genealogy being screwed up.
> Here is what LDS had on her and would
> tend to indicate, by the marriage dates, a divorce?
>
> Dorothy (Dollie) PRYOR
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
had divorced. Where would you find a rcord of that?
On Aug 3, 11:11 am, Sammers <samsawa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Robert
> It appears you are correct about Jesse's genealogy being screwed up.
> Here is what LDS had on her and would
> tend to indicate, by the marriage dates, a divorce?
>
> Dorothy (Dollie) PRYOR
>
> Event(s)
> Birth: 23 Mar 1755
> , Orange, N. Carolina
> Death: 17 Mar 1824
> Hancock Co., Ga
> Burial: Mar 1824
> , , North Carolina
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Event(s)
> Birth: 23 Mar 1755
> , Orange, N. Carolina
> Death: 17 Mar 1824
> Hancock Co., Ga
> Burial: Mar 1824
> , , North Carolina
> Parents
> Father: John PRYOR (AFN: D5RX-9J) Family
> Mother: Margaret GAINES (AFN: D5RX-BP)
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Father: John PRYOR (AFN: D5RX-9J) Family
> Mother: Margaret GAINES (AFN: D5RX-BP)
REB
Aug 4, 2008, 9:18:02 PM8/4/08
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See http://genforum.genealogy.com/mcneill/messages/1192.html
McNeill family bible records show that Henry McNeill and Dorothy Pryor
had their first child in 1774. So, it is not possible that Dorothy
Pryor married both Jesse Womack and Henry McNeill.
All divorces were handled at the colony/state level at that time.
Divorce was extremely rare.
> > Sam- Hide quoted text -
McNeill family bible records show that Henry McNeill and Dorothy Pryor
had their first child in 1774. So, it is not possible that Dorothy
Pryor married both Jesse Womack and Henry McNeill.
All divorces were handled at the colony/state level at that time.
Divorce was extremely rare.
REB
Aug 4, 2008, 10:13:10 PM8/4/08
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See http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=nivek000&id=I900
Very nicely documented, though I disagree that John N Womack was born
in Caswell Co, NC. I am quite sure he was born in GA.
I especially would like to see this:
Title: National Genealogical Society Quarterly, Vol. XVII, No. 3,
September 1929
Publication: The National Genealogical Society, Washington, D.C., 1929
Page: Page 49, Transcription of Baker-Womack Family Bible Record
Need to find a library that has this, none near me seem to.
On Aug 4, 9:18 pm, REB <robert.earl.bu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Seehttp://genforum.genealogy.com/mcneill/messages/1192.html
> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
Very nicely documented, though I disagree that John N Womack was born
in Caswell Co, NC. I am quite sure he was born in GA.
I especially would like to see this:
Title: National Genealogical Society Quarterly, Vol. XVII, No. 3,
September 1929
Publication: The National Genealogical Society, Washington, D.C., 1929
Page: Page 49, Transcription of Baker-Womack Family Bible Record
Need to find a library that has this, none near me seem to.
On Aug 4, 9:18 pm, REB <robert.earl.bu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Seehttp://genforum.genealogy.com/mcneill/messages/1192.html
J Womack
Aug 5, 2008, 5:12:54 PM8/5/08
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I understand that divorces were rare at the time. The main reason for
them was if a spouse abandoned the other. If we use the LDS marriage
dates, above, then McNeill and Pryor married in 1775. If the family
Bible is correct, then the child would have been born prior to their
marriage. I find it unlikely, although of course it is possible. I
think it more likely that one or the other of the two records is
incorrect.
At any rate, neither record eliminates the possibility of two
marriages for Dorothy. There is a six year period between the date of
marriage to Jesse in 1768 and the birth of the McNeill child in 1774.
Plenty of time to get remarried, depending on the date of the divorce,
if it was ever really an official divorce. Sometimes, people just re-
married in another state without getting an offficial divorce decree.
Just playing devil's advocate here. But obviously there is a mistake
in the records somewhere, as they contradict each other.
On Aug 4, 8:18 pm, REB <robert.earl.bu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Seehttp://genforum.genealogy.com/mcneill/messages/1192.html
> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
them was if a spouse abandoned the other. If we use the LDS marriage
dates, above, then McNeill and Pryor married in 1775. If the family
Bible is correct, then the child would have been born prior to their
marriage. I find it unlikely, although of course it is possible. I
think it more likely that one or the other of the two records is
incorrect.
At any rate, neither record eliminates the possibility of two
marriages for Dorothy. There is a six year period between the date of
marriage to Jesse in 1768 and the birth of the McNeill child in 1774.
Plenty of time to get remarried, depending on the date of the divorce,
if it was ever really an official divorce. Sometimes, people just re-
married in another state without getting an offficial divorce decree.
Just playing devil's advocate here. But obviously there is a mistake
in the records somewhere, as they contradict each other.
On Aug 4, 8:18 pm, REB <robert.earl.bu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Seehttp://genforum.genealogy.com/mcneill/messages/1192.html
J Womack
Aug 5, 2008, 5:53:16 PM8/5/08
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Please see my comments below. Quoted material is marked, as usual,
with a > symbol.
On Aug 3, 12:56 am, Beth <waltonea0...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> JOHN PRYOR of Orange CO., NC. daughter DOROTHY PRYOR b Va March 23
> 1775 m Henry MCNEAL b Argylshire Scotland March 20 1755, to Virginia
> 1771, to NC, and in 1817 to Christian CO., Ky, d near Hopkinsville Nov
> 3 1820.........He resided Person CO., NC until 1817 when he drove a
> buggy ("said to be the first owned by anyone in NC") to Christian CO.,
> Ky. Children of Henry and Dorothy (Pryor) McNeal: Alexander, Angus,
> Margaret (m BURKE), Henrietta (m Joshua GRANT) JOHN PRYOR, Catherine,
> Hector, PRYOR, Eliza, Malcolm, etc. Dorothy m Henry Petersburg VA She
> d Mar 23 1824.
This seems to indicate that Dorothy Pryor (who married Henry McNeill/
McNeal) was born in 1775. If that is so, she can not be mother of John
N Womack, who was born in 1776! It may be that we are talking about
two totally seperate women, both of them named Dorothy Pryor, and who
have been confused for one another.
> Now here's some info on Jesse & Dorothy that Robert Keith Elliott put
> out in 1995. He has Dorothy died in 1777.
>
Seeing this, the more I think about it, the more likely I think it is
that someone has definitely made an error. Either Dorothy never
married Jesse, or there were two Dorothys, or Dorothy married then
divorced Jesse.
J
with a > symbol.
On Aug 3, 12:56 am, Beth <waltonea0...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> JOHN PRYOR of Orange CO., NC. daughter DOROTHY PRYOR b Va March 23
> 1775 m Henry MCNEAL b Argylshire Scotland March 20 1755, to Virginia
> 1771, to NC, and in 1817 to Christian CO., Ky, d near Hopkinsville Nov
> 3 1820.........He resided Person CO., NC until 1817 when he drove a
> buggy ("said to be the first owned by anyone in NC") to Christian CO.,
> Ky. Children of Henry and Dorothy (Pryor) McNeal: Alexander, Angus,
> Margaret (m BURKE), Henrietta (m Joshua GRANT) JOHN PRYOR, Catherine,
> Hector, PRYOR, Eliza, Malcolm, etc. Dorothy m Henry Petersburg VA She
> d Mar 23 1824.
McNeal) was born in 1775. If that is so, she can not be mother of John
N Womack, who was born in 1776! It may be that we are talking about
two totally seperate women, both of them named Dorothy Pryor, and who
have been confused for one another.
> Now here's some info on Jesse & Dorothy that Robert Keith Elliott put
> out in 1995. He has Dorothy died in 1777.
>
> Jesse Womack, Lt b: 1739 in Henrico Co., VA d: 1815 in Madison Co.,
> GA
> +Dorothy Pryor b: March 23, 1755 in GA? d: 1777
> Son:
> John Womack b: December 25, 1776 d: July 29, 1848 in Womack Hill,
> Washington Co., AL
> +Frances Coleman d: 1852 in Grimes Co?, TX m: Abt 1797 in GA
> Son:
> David Womack b: 1777
> +Nancy Childress
So, David married a Nancy Childress?
> GA
> +Dorothy Pryor b: March 23, 1755 in GA? d: 1777
> Son:
> John Womack b: December 25, 1776 d: July 29, 1848 in Womack Hill,
> Washington Co., AL
> +Frances Coleman d: 1852 in Grimes Co?, TX m: Abt 1797 in GA
> Son:
> David Womack b: 1777
> +Nancy Childress
Seeing this, the more I think about it, the more likely I think it is
that someone has definitely made an error. Either Dorothy never
married Jesse, or there were two Dorothys, or Dorothy married then
divorced Jesse.
J
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Aug 5, 2008, 10:16:57 PM8/5/08
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Cuzzin J,
Obviously someone made a typo when they copied pertinent info from the
Pryor book and indicated that Hon. John's dau., Dorothy was born in
1775. John's Will was drawn in 1771 and proved in 1772, and it named
her as his daughter.
Re: Jesse and Dorothy's son, David marrying Nancy Childers/Childress.
Jesse's mother, Nancy Ann Childers's maiden name was commonly referred
to as Childress until someone came up with Henry Childers and Lucretia
Jones as her parents. Henry and Lucretia had a son, Henry Childers
(Jr. ?), and I've always suspected that Nancy Childress/Childers, who
married Jesse & Dorothy's son, David was Henry Childers, Jr.'s
granddaughter. If so, Henry Childers, Jr. and Jesse would have been
1st cousins, and David and Nancy 2nd cousins. No biggie in those days
or in the South today for that matter.
For years Maj. Jacob's wife was referred to as Mary or Martha. I'm
sure most Womack researchers knew about this long before I did, but
one time I was emailing Linda Star Sparks, who descends from the
Potter-Womack union in Buchanan Co., MO, and she told me she and a
group of Johnson descendants, whose Johnsons were in Virginia in the
1600 and 1700s, were trying to sort them out. I knew that a Johnson
had to be in the woodpile back in VA somewhere in Maj. Jake's or his
wife's family because they named a son Johnson. And also two of
Johnson's witnesses in his RW pension file were Johnson men. Linda
sent me "The Johnson Report" researched and written by the late Harold
Johnson. Included in his work was Peter Womack, husband of Sarah
Johnson, daughter of Joseph Johnson, who died in 1761. But Harold
included a court record where the descendants of Joseph Johnson were
suing his estate. In this record, Joseph's dau., Sarah's husband was
Jacob Womack. I'm relating this long winded tale to show you that
sooner or later we might find proof of Jesse's wife's name.
As Robert stated, no doc known to us today names Jesse's wife Dorothy
Pryor. Trust me, if I had not worked with Robert on Jacob and his
family, I'd still be scratching my head on the father of my proven 3rd
great grandfather, Larkin Womack, grandson of Jacob. If you agree
that Jesse's wife's name is a moot point right now, lets look at the
records that have been found on Jesse and get a clear understanding of
his life from VA to GA to Alabama. I have a lot of questions about
what his motives were when his family obtained passports from the
governor of GA to travel through Native American lands to Alabama.
It's clear to me that Jacob was always a soldier, and lived among the
Cherokees, but was Jesse? Or was he an adverturer seeking new
horizons?
Cuzzin Beth
Obviously someone made a typo when they copied pertinent info from the
Pryor book and indicated that Hon. John's dau., Dorothy was born in
1775. John's Will was drawn in 1771 and proved in 1772, and it named
her as his daughter.
Re: Jesse and Dorothy's son, David marrying Nancy Childers/Childress.
Jesse's mother, Nancy Ann Childers's maiden name was commonly referred
to as Childress until someone came up with Henry Childers and Lucretia
Jones as her parents. Henry and Lucretia had a son, Henry Childers
(Jr. ?), and I've always suspected that Nancy Childress/Childers, who
married Jesse & Dorothy's son, David was Henry Childers, Jr.'s
granddaughter. If so, Henry Childers, Jr. and Jesse would have been
1st cousins, and David and Nancy 2nd cousins. No biggie in those days
or in the South today for that matter.
For years Maj. Jacob's wife was referred to as Mary or Martha. I'm
sure most Womack researchers knew about this long before I did, but
one time I was emailing Linda Star Sparks, who descends from the
Potter-Womack union in Buchanan Co., MO, and she told me she and a
group of Johnson descendants, whose Johnsons were in Virginia in the
1600 and 1700s, were trying to sort them out. I knew that a Johnson
had to be in the woodpile back in VA somewhere in Maj. Jake's or his
wife's family because they named a son Johnson. And also two of
Johnson's witnesses in his RW pension file were Johnson men. Linda
sent me "The Johnson Report" researched and written by the late Harold
Johnson. Included in his work was Peter Womack, husband of Sarah
Johnson, daughter of Joseph Johnson, who died in 1761. But Harold
included a court record where the descendants of Joseph Johnson were
suing his estate. In this record, Joseph's dau., Sarah's husband was
Jacob Womack. I'm relating this long winded tale to show you that
sooner or later we might find proof of Jesse's wife's name.
As Robert stated, no doc known to us today names Jesse's wife Dorothy
Pryor. Trust me, if I had not worked with Robert on Jacob and his
family, I'd still be scratching my head on the father of my proven 3rd
great grandfather, Larkin Womack, grandson of Jacob. If you agree
that Jesse's wife's name is a moot point right now, lets look at the
records that have been found on Jesse and get a clear understanding of
his life from VA to GA to Alabama. I have a lot of questions about
what his motives were when his family obtained passports from the
governor of GA to travel through Native American lands to Alabama.
It's clear to me that Jacob was always a soldier, and lived among the
Cherokees, but was Jesse? Or was he an adverturer seeking new
horizons?
Cuzzin Beth
REB
Aug 5, 2008, 10:17:28 PM8/5/08
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This is a good discussion!
I think we could get some good info from the "Baker-Womack Family
Bible Record" in NGSQ, vol 17. The nearest library to me that has it
about 100 miles (Macon, GA), so it may while before I can get there.
The Pryor-McNeill data certainly has errors, but I think most were
introduced as errors by researchers at various points in time. That
is why I like to get back to the original records when I can.
Malcolm McNeill, son of Henry McNeill and Dorothy Pryor, was very
interesting. He had a lot of dealings with a branch of my Burke
family. He owned plantations in Mississippi and Kentucky, but he also
went to Illinois and invested in land that later became Chicago, which
made his descendants very wealthy (Malcolm's estate was worth about
one million dollars in 1875, quite a bit of money for then). Malcolm
had 4 wives, but his 3 children that survived all came from 3rd wife,
Martha Rivers. Malcolm'd daughter, Martha McNeill, married Wiley P
Boddie; their daughter, Lucy Boddie, married John C Anderson; their
daughter was Martha Rivers Anderson, from whom we get the Bible
records. See http://www.carlinvilleschools.net/middle/cyber2002/pages/Amansion.htm
Note that Martha Rivers Anderson had TB. The 1900 Census of Macoupin
Co, IL shows she was born in 1884, and Illinois death records indicate
she died there 21 Feb 1920. She was isolated because of her TB, and
probably wrote a lot of letters. She wrote the dates from the family
bible to a cousin, and I guess that is how we have them.
Acording to the info from Martha Rivers Anderson, Dorothy Pryor was
born 23 Mar 1755. I have seen other dates (23 Mar 1753, 23 Mar 1775),
but I think 1755 is correct, since the source is closest to an
original record (ie, the family bible). The 1775 marriage date is
probably incorrect; this does not seem to come from the bible. Also,
why would they have married in Petersburg, VA when both the Pryors and
the McNeills lived in Caswell Co, NC?
By the way, Henry McNeill and Dorothy Pryor had a daughter, Catherine
McNeill, who was the second wife of Jesse Womack, son of John Womack
and Lucy Pryor - thus Catherine and Jesse were first cousins, since
both Lucy Pryor and Dorothy Pryor were the daughters of John Pryor.
David Womack, who married Mildred Pryor (another sister), had a
daughter, Dorothy Womack. Undocumented sources have her middle name
as Pryor. I wonder if the confusion about the wife of Jesse Womack
(son of Richard III) has anything to do with these facts.
Dorothy (Pryor) McNeill, widow of Henry McNeill, was in the 1820
Census of Christian Co, KY, where she died in 1824. Ancestry has her
indexed as Dorothy W Neal, but if you look, it says Dorothy McNeal.
I doubt that Jesse Womack, son of Richard III, married circa 1768. I
also doubt he was born circa 1739. He was likely born circa 1750. I
say this because of my study of Womack records in VA, NC, and GA. In
VA, Richard's son's Richard, Jacob, Abraham, and David are mentioned
records from the 1750s. In Orange Co, NC, there are records of
Richard III and sons Jacob, Abraham, David, and son-in-law Josiah
Olday in the early 1760s. Richard III then has records in GA
indicating he moved there circa 1765. The first record of Richard's
son Jesse that I know of is in Oct 1769, when Jesse asked for 100
acres of land (surveyed 5 Jan 1770, granted 5 Jun 1770). The requests
for land grants usually indicated whether the requestor was married,
how many children, number of slaves, etc.
Richard Womacks first request was in June 1766, said he had come from
VA and been in GA 12 months, had wife, 3 children, 7 slaves.
Richard's next request in May 1768, said "some time in GA", 5 kids, 7
slaves. In Sep 1768, he said he had been 3 years in GA, wife, 4 kids,
6 slaves.
Jesse's request in Oct 1769, just said 4 years in GA, nothing about
wife, kids, or slaves. He requested land next to Richard Womack.
John Womack also requsted land next to Richard in 1769, and he said he
had been in GA for 2 years, no wife or kids mentioned.
The grants had to be signed in Savannah. Although GA was divided into
Parishes, the parishes had no government. The only government was the
colony capital at Savanah. Since the Womacks lived far from Savannah,
they usually gave power of attorney to others to sign the grants. For
example, Thomas Chisholm signed for Jesse, and signed twice for
Richard. However, the Womacks went to Savanah occassionally, since
Jesse Womack signed for Margaret Johnston in 1768, and Abraham Womack
signed for John Womack in 1771.
There is also this record:
"Miscellaneous Bonds", Book Y-2 (1774-1777), p.276 - Richard Womack of
St George Par, GA, gave slave to son Jesse Womack of St George Par.
Witness. Abraham and Martha Womack. 15 Nov 1773. Colonial Georgia
Geneagical Data, by William H Dumont.
From this, we know Jesse was Richard's son. There is a Bible record
that states that David Womack who married Mildred Pryor was also
Richard's son. The chancery case in VA over the death of Richard
Womack (IV) state that he was also Richard's son. I do not know of
any explicit statements for Jacob, Abraham, or John, but proximity and
dealings with Richard give pretty good evidence they were also his
sons, plus DNA testing proves this (at least for Abraham). I have
seen undocumented stuff that Richard had sons Abner or Thomas, but
there is no proof whatsoever.
There was some back-and-forth moving between GA and Caswell Co, NC.
John and Abraham went back to Caswell, where John married Lucy Pryor,
and Abraham's daughter, Cisley, married James H McFarland. John
stayed in NC, but Abraham came back to GA. I think David Womack who
married Mildred Pryor stayed in NC when his father moved to GA;
however, David came to GA later in the 1780s. He got land grants in
Burke Co, GA near brother Jesse. There is some bogus info that David
died in Beaufort Dist, SC. There was a David WARNOCK in Beaufort
Dist, SC, which a small amount of digging on ancestry.com can prove.
David Womack likely died in Burke Co, GA.
A lot of researchers have mixed up Jesse and David's kids since they
lived near each other in GA for a while. As far as I know, Jesse did
not have a son named David, but his brother David did.
As far as I know, John N Womack was Jesse's first child.
I think we could get some good info from the "Baker-Womack Family
Bible Record" in NGSQ, vol 17. The nearest library to me that has it
about 100 miles (Macon, GA), so it may while before I can get there.
The Pryor-McNeill data certainly has errors, but I think most were
introduced as errors by researchers at various points in time. That
is why I like to get back to the original records when I can.
Malcolm McNeill, son of Henry McNeill and Dorothy Pryor, was very
interesting. He had a lot of dealings with a branch of my Burke
family. He owned plantations in Mississippi and Kentucky, but he also
went to Illinois and invested in land that later became Chicago, which
made his descendants very wealthy (Malcolm's estate was worth about
one million dollars in 1875, quite a bit of money for then). Malcolm
had 4 wives, but his 3 children that survived all came from 3rd wife,
Martha Rivers. Malcolm'd daughter, Martha McNeill, married Wiley P
Boddie; their daughter, Lucy Boddie, married John C Anderson; their
daughter was Martha Rivers Anderson, from whom we get the Bible
records. See http://www.carlinvilleschools.net/middle/cyber2002/pages/Amansion.htm
Note that Martha Rivers Anderson had TB. The 1900 Census of Macoupin
Co, IL shows she was born in 1884, and Illinois death records indicate
she died there 21 Feb 1920. She was isolated because of her TB, and
probably wrote a lot of letters. She wrote the dates from the family
bible to a cousin, and I guess that is how we have them.
Acording to the info from Martha Rivers Anderson, Dorothy Pryor was
born 23 Mar 1755. I have seen other dates (23 Mar 1753, 23 Mar 1775),
but I think 1755 is correct, since the source is closest to an
original record (ie, the family bible). The 1775 marriage date is
probably incorrect; this does not seem to come from the bible. Also,
why would they have married in Petersburg, VA when both the Pryors and
the McNeills lived in Caswell Co, NC?
By the way, Henry McNeill and Dorothy Pryor had a daughter, Catherine
McNeill, who was the second wife of Jesse Womack, son of John Womack
and Lucy Pryor - thus Catherine and Jesse were first cousins, since
both Lucy Pryor and Dorothy Pryor were the daughters of John Pryor.
David Womack, who married Mildred Pryor (another sister), had a
daughter, Dorothy Womack. Undocumented sources have her middle name
as Pryor. I wonder if the confusion about the wife of Jesse Womack
(son of Richard III) has anything to do with these facts.
Dorothy (Pryor) McNeill, widow of Henry McNeill, was in the 1820
Census of Christian Co, KY, where she died in 1824. Ancestry has her
indexed as Dorothy W Neal, but if you look, it says Dorothy McNeal.
I doubt that Jesse Womack, son of Richard III, married circa 1768. I
also doubt he was born circa 1739. He was likely born circa 1750. I
say this because of my study of Womack records in VA, NC, and GA. In
VA, Richard's son's Richard, Jacob, Abraham, and David are mentioned
records from the 1750s. In Orange Co, NC, there are records of
Richard III and sons Jacob, Abraham, David, and son-in-law Josiah
Olday in the early 1760s. Richard III then has records in GA
indicating he moved there circa 1765. The first record of Richard's
son Jesse that I know of is in Oct 1769, when Jesse asked for 100
acres of land (surveyed 5 Jan 1770, granted 5 Jun 1770). The requests
for land grants usually indicated whether the requestor was married,
how many children, number of slaves, etc.
Richard Womacks first request was in June 1766, said he had come from
VA and been in GA 12 months, had wife, 3 children, 7 slaves.
Richard's next request in May 1768, said "some time in GA", 5 kids, 7
slaves. In Sep 1768, he said he had been 3 years in GA, wife, 4 kids,
6 slaves.
Jesse's request in Oct 1769, just said 4 years in GA, nothing about
wife, kids, or slaves. He requested land next to Richard Womack.
John Womack also requsted land next to Richard in 1769, and he said he
had been in GA for 2 years, no wife or kids mentioned.
The grants had to be signed in Savannah. Although GA was divided into
Parishes, the parishes had no government. The only government was the
colony capital at Savanah. Since the Womacks lived far from Savannah,
they usually gave power of attorney to others to sign the grants. For
example, Thomas Chisholm signed for Jesse, and signed twice for
Richard. However, the Womacks went to Savanah occassionally, since
Jesse Womack signed for Margaret Johnston in 1768, and Abraham Womack
signed for John Womack in 1771.
There is also this record:
"Miscellaneous Bonds", Book Y-2 (1774-1777), p.276 - Richard Womack of
St George Par, GA, gave slave to son Jesse Womack of St George Par.
Witness. Abraham and Martha Womack. 15 Nov 1773. Colonial Georgia
Geneagical Data, by William H Dumont.
From this, we know Jesse was Richard's son. There is a Bible record
that states that David Womack who married Mildred Pryor was also
Richard's son. The chancery case in VA over the death of Richard
Womack (IV) state that he was also Richard's son. I do not know of
any explicit statements for Jacob, Abraham, or John, but proximity and
dealings with Richard give pretty good evidence they were also his
sons, plus DNA testing proves this (at least for Abraham). I have
seen undocumented stuff that Richard had sons Abner or Thomas, but
there is no proof whatsoever.
There was some back-and-forth moving between GA and Caswell Co, NC.
John and Abraham went back to Caswell, where John married Lucy Pryor,
and Abraham's daughter, Cisley, married James H McFarland. John
stayed in NC, but Abraham came back to GA. I think David Womack who
married Mildred Pryor stayed in NC when his father moved to GA;
however, David came to GA later in the 1780s. He got land grants in
Burke Co, GA near brother Jesse. There is some bogus info that David
died in Beaufort Dist, SC. There was a David WARNOCK in Beaufort
Dist, SC, which a small amount of digging on ancestry.com can prove.
David Womack likely died in Burke Co, GA.
A lot of researchers have mixed up Jesse and David's kids since they
lived near each other in GA for a while. As far as I know, Jesse did
not have a son named David, but his brother David did.
As far as I know, John N Womack was Jesse's first child.
Beth
Aug 5, 2008, 11:38:46 PM8/5/08
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Oops.....I shouldn't be typing from memory, "I was emailing Linda Star
Sparks". Her name is Linda Sparks Starr.
Robert, based on the information you have gathered and in your
opinion, what is a realistic birth year for Richard III ? I'm
surprised that Richard III and Nancy didn't name a son, Henry after
her father, if Henry Childers were actually her father.
I've theorized that Jacob's birth year was about 1730-1740 since his
dau., Martha Womack Bean, according to the Bean researchers, was born
in 1758, and Johnson's DOB in his pension app is 1762. We don't know
if his David, John and Jesse were born before Martha. The only
indication I have on his Jesse's age is this, and I'm wondering if
Jesse had reached majority age in 1776. I even thought there was a
possibility that this Jesse could have been Jacob's brother until you
gave us the 1769 GA land record.
"WOMACK FORT near Bluff City TN. 22 Jul 1776. The August Expedition
against the Cherokee Indians included Capt. Jacob Womack, Pvt. Jesse
Womack & Pvt. Jonathan Martin. Only one white man was killed, a man
named Duncan, a soldier under Capt. Jacob Womack."
In Dec of 1776 Jacob was commissioned 2nd Major.
On Aug 5, 9:17 pm, REB <robert.earl.bu...@gmail.com> wrote:
Sparks". Her name is Linda Sparks Starr.
Robert, based on the information you have gathered and in your
opinion, what is a realistic birth year for Richard III ? I'm
surprised that Richard III and Nancy didn't name a son, Henry after
her father, if Henry Childers were actually her father.
I've theorized that Jacob's birth year was about 1730-1740 since his
dau., Martha Womack Bean, according to the Bean researchers, was born
in 1758, and Johnson's DOB in his pension app is 1762. We don't know
if his David, John and Jesse were born before Martha. The only
indication I have on his Jesse's age is this, and I'm wondering if
Jesse had reached majority age in 1776. I even thought there was a
possibility that this Jesse could have been Jacob's brother until you
gave us the 1769 GA land record.
"WOMACK FORT near Bluff City TN. 22 Jul 1776. The August Expedition
against the Cherokee Indians included Capt. Jacob Womack, Pvt. Jesse
Womack & Pvt. Jonathan Martin. Only one white man was killed, a man
named Duncan, a soldier under Capt. Jacob Womack."
In Dec of 1776 Jacob was commissioned 2nd Major.
On Aug 5, 9:17 pm, REB <robert.earl.bu...@gmail.com> wrote:
Beth
Aug 6, 2008, 12:32:15 AM8/6/08
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I find this very interesting.......the Alamo Chapter of NSDAR lists
these soldiers/partiots and their spouses. They were either children
of Richard III or related to his children:
Pryor, Margaret Gaines, Patriot
Spouse: Hon. John Pryor
Kemp, Jonathan, Captain
Spouse: Elizabeth Womack
Womack, David, Patriot & Civil Service
Spouse: Mildred Pryor
Margaret Gaines Pryor might have given proof that Dorothy married
Jesse Womack and/or Henry McNeill in her request for reimbursement.
J, you might think about posting a query on the Pryor web pages to see
if anyone has attempted to order her record, or if there is just a
record of her file in the NC Archives.
Has anyone seen a record of David furnishing provisions or his civic
duty in the RW?
Johnson Womack served under his uncle, Capt. Jonathan Kemp. It is my
understanding that Jonathan married Martha "Patsy" Womack. Some say
he married Sarah Womack, but it is thought that Sarah married Richard
Archdeacon-Cody. Where did they come up with Elizabeth Womack as
Jonathan's wife?
More DAR memberships to debunk!
these soldiers/partiots and their spouses. They were either children
of Richard III or related to his children:
Pryor, Margaret Gaines, Patriot
Spouse: Hon. John Pryor
Kemp, Jonathan, Captain
Spouse: Elizabeth Womack
Womack, David, Patriot & Civil Service
Spouse: Mildred Pryor
Margaret Gaines Pryor might have given proof that Dorothy married
Jesse Womack and/or Henry McNeill in her request for reimbursement.
J, you might think about posting a query on the Pryor web pages to see
if anyone has attempted to order her record, or if there is just a
record of her file in the NC Archives.
Has anyone seen a record of David furnishing provisions or his civic
duty in the RW?
Johnson Womack served under his uncle, Capt. Jonathan Kemp. It is my
understanding that Jonathan married Martha "Patsy" Womack. Some say
he married Sarah Womack, but it is thought that Sarah married Richard
Archdeacon-Cody. Where did they come up with Elizabeth Womack as
Jonathan's wife?
More DAR memberships to debunk!
REB
Aug 6, 2008, 12:24:26 PM8/6/08
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Jonathan Kemp married Martha "Patsey" Womack, not Elizabeth, as shown
in his probate records in St Helena Pa, LA: http://www.gwest.org/ST_HELEN.pdf
I will look tonight for the earliest reference I have to Jacob Womack.
in his probate records in St Helena Pa, LA: http://www.gwest.org/ST_HELEN.pdf
I will look tonight for the earliest reference I have to Jacob Womack.
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