William Womack who married Lucy Womack

[REB]

I just posted the DNA results for Nelson Womack:
http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~reburke/lines/data/womack/dna/final.html

Nelson is the descendant of William "Buck" Womack and Sarah McBee.
William "Buck" had two Womack parents, William Womack and Lucy Womack,
daughter of Thomas Womack and Louvisa Rice. Francis Marion Womack, a
grandson of William and Lucy, wrote a letter in 1905 stating that
William and Lucy were distant cousins. See http://www.womacknet.com/features/fmwletter.html

We have been trying to discover William's parents. One possibility
was that he was the son of Major Jacob Womack. However, descendants
of Major Jacob Womack should have the "Richard Womack haplotype".
Nelson has the "Abraham Womack haplotype".

My theory is that both William Womack who married Lucy Womack and
Martha Womack who married Robert Beene were the children of Isham
Womack, son of Thomas Womack and Mary Farley, Thomas being the son of
the original Abraham Womack.

I will elaborate more in followups to this post, but want to get this
news about Nelson's DNA results posted ASAP.

[shirleybird]

Robert,
Now I'm really confused.
According to the William & Mary College Quarterly Vol 24 No 2 Part 1
Henrico Co VA
1674 A dispute over property between Abraham Womack & his brother
William Womack was settled in General court. Is this a different
Abraham?

Shirley

On Aug 13, 8:38 pm, REB <robert.earl.bu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I just posted the DNA results for Nelson Womack:http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~reburke/lines/data/womack/dna...

>
> Nelson is the descendant of William "Buck" Womack and Sarah McBee.
> William "Buck" had two Womack parents, William Womack and Lucy Womack,
> daughter of Thomas Womack and Louvisa Rice.  Francis Marion Womack, a
> grandson of William and Lucy, wrote a letter in 1905 stating that

> William and Lucy were distant cousins.  Seehttp://www.womacknet.com/features/fmwletter.html

[REB]

Thomas Womack, son of the original Abraham Womack, married Mary
Farley. Both Thomas and Mary left wills naming the same 10 kids.
Later, their son William Womack died without children (though he was
married) in 1790 in Charlotte Co, VA. His estate fell to his 9
siblings (matching those in Thomas & Mary's wills), but since most of
them were dead, it went to their kids. See
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~rgwomack/thomas_womack.htm

William's estate in Charlotte Co, VA took 26 years to settle, and the
chancery records list his siblings and their kids.

Isham Womack, son of Thomas Womack and Mary Farley, disappeared from
Virginia records in the mid-1760s, when he and wife Elizabeth LNU,
sold out in Halifax Co, VA. Isham may have gone to SC. There are
records for Isham Womack in SC in the 1760s. However, these records
may have referred to the Warnock family, which occasionally gets
interpreted as Womack. SC was full of Warnocks. I went through lots
of records at the SC Archives online, and found that most of the
supposed Womacks were actually Warnocks.

Anyhow, Isham Womack could not be found to receive his share of his
brother William's estate. Isham's kids were listed as William Womack,
Mary Owen, and Martha Womack.

I think that Isham's son William married Lucy Womack (daughter of
Thomas Womack & Louvisa Rice), and that Isham's daughter Martha
married Robert Beene.

Everyone has William Womack (who married Lucy Womack) as the son of
Abraham Womack and Elizabeth Stubblefield. This is incorrect.
Records of Caldwell Co, KY show that William Womack, son of Abraham
Womack and Elizabeth Stubblefield, was there at least in 1809-1811,
and he later moved to Gallatin Co, IL where he died in Jan 1820.
William Womack (who married Lucy Womack) was in Rutherford Co, NC in
1810. There were about 40 William Womacks in the US in 1800, so they
are easy to confuse.

Beth gave us part of a letter from a Beene/Bean descendant saying that
Martha Womack who married Robert Beene was the daughter of Major Jacob
Womack of Watauga (Tennessee) fame. However, I think this may have
been guess-work and/or "wishful thinking" based on the faulty
assumption that Robert Beene who married Martha Womack was the Captain
Robert Beene at Watauga during the Rev War. The Bean/Beene fanily has
worked hard to differentiate these two Robert Beenes. Robert Beene
(husband of Martha Womack) may have fought at the Battle of Kings
Mountain, but he was likely coming from the area of Asheville, NC
(where his dad supposedly died), not from Watauga (the Over Mountain
Men).

Nelson Womack's DNA test shows that William Womack who married Lucy
Womack was not the son of Major Jacob Womack; rather he descended from
the original Abraham Womack somehow.

The Bean descendant says that Robert Beene and Martha Womack stayed
briefly in GA, but that is not true. I think all their kids were born
in Franklin Co, GA.

Robert Beene was in early tax lists of Frankin Co, GA. His kids who
were alive in 1850 were listed as born in GA in the census. Son
Lemuel was supposedly born in the Watauga area, but his children in
1880 are listed with their dad born in GA.

Martha Beene, daughter of Robert Beene and Martha Womack, married Levi
Berry Womack, son of William Womack and Lucy Womack. Some
WorldConnect entries have the note that Martha Beene and Levi Berry
Womack were first cousins. This would be true if Martha Womack and
William Womack were siblings. I think they were siblings, both
children of Isham Womack. William Womack and Lucy Womack had son
Isham Rice Womack. Levi Berry Womack and Martha Beene also had a son
named Isham Womack.

Franklin Co, GA is significant. Elizabeth Womack Cauthorn, widow of
Charles Cauthorn (lots of spellings) lived in Franklin Co, GA, at
least in the early 1800s. Elizabeth Womack Cauthorn was the daughter
of Abraham Womack, son of Thomas Womack and Mary Farley. Elizabeth
Womack Cauthorn was one of the heirs in the William Womack chancery
case in Charlotte Co, VA. Back in Halifax Co, VA, Charles Cauthorn
owned land adjacent to Isham Womack (his wife's uncle). Charles
Cauthorn made bail for Isham Womack once. I have a court record from
the 1750s in Prince Edward Co, VA in which Charles Cauthorn and
Abraham Womack Jr acted as surety on a debt of Abraham Womack, Sr.

Also, in Franklin Co, GA were the Spradlings, descendants of John
Spradling and Mary Womack, another daughter of Abraham. Thomas Womack
who married Louvisa Rice had dealings with these Spradlings in Burke
Co, NC records, and it was Thomas & Louvisa's daughter Lucy who
married William Womack.

So, at the Beene, Cauthorn, and Spradling families were all in
Franklin Co, GA at the same time. May be coincidence, but I think
not.


On Aug 13, 9:38 pm, REB <robert.earl.bu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I just posted the DNA results for Nelson Womack:http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~reburke/lines/data/womack/dna...

>
> Nelson is the descendant of William "Buck" Womack and Sarah McBee.
> William "Buck" had two Womack parents, William Womack and Lucy Womack,
> daughter of Thomas Womack and Louvisa Rice.  Francis Marion Womack, a
> grandson of William and Lucy, wrote a letter in 1905 stating that

> William and Lucy were distant cousins.  Seehttp://www.womacknet.com/features/fmwletter.html

[REB]

Hi Shirley,

William and Abraham were real common names in the Womack family.
Before 1800, there were about 45 Williams, and about 15 Abrahams in
America, so keeping them sorted is difficult.

The William and Abraham you cite were both (I believe) sons of William
Womack "The Immigrant". See Ann McDonald's essay here:
http://womackhunter.homestead.com/proposal.html

The William I am mostly concerned about here is the William Womack who
married Lucy Womack. They lived in Rutherford Co, NC in the 1790s and
early 1800s. Later, Lucy and some of her kids were in Marion Co, TN.

-Robert

> > news about Nelson's DNA results posted ASAP.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

[REB]

Just to clarify, when I talked about "wishful thinking" I was NOT
referring to Beth.

I was referring to Lowry Franklin Owens, great-grandson of Robert
Beene and Martha Womack. There is a Beene Bible record that shows
that Martha Womack married Robert Beene. However, I think Lowry
Franklin Owens made a leap by stating that Martha was Major Jacob
Womack's dau. Or, possibly he heard that tale growing up, and did not
realiza it was incorrect.

If Levi Berry Womack (son of William Womack and Lucy Womack) was the
first cousin of Martha Beene (daughter of Robert Beene and Martha
Womack), and DNA has now confirmed that William Womack was NOT the son
of Major Jacob Womack, then how could Martha be the daughter of Jacob?

I did a little digging and found a few things:

In Franklin Co, GA tax lists, Beene and Cawthon families are near each
other. Also nearby are Cleaveland, Walters, and McBee (Magbee)
families. Some of the tax lists show the names of adjacent property
owners. It appears that Beene and Cawthon were not adjacent, but they
were both adjacent to Cleaveland and Walters families, so they were
probably close by. Also, Cawthon, Walters, and McBee intermarried in
Franklin Co, GA. I am pretty sure these McBee's are closely related
to Sarah McBee who married William "Buck" Womack, son of William
Womack and Lucy Womack.

To re-iterate, the Cawthons in Franklin Co, GA were Elizabeth Womack
Cawthon, widow of Charles Cawthon, and her children. Elizabeth Womack
Cawthon was the daughter of Abraham Womack, who was the son of Thomas
Womack and Mary Farley.

The Beenes in Franklin Co, GA were Robert Beene and wife Martha
Womack. I believe Martha Womack was the daughter of Isham Womack, son
of Thomas Womack and Mary Farley.

See these Cawthon GenForum messages:

http://genforum.genealogy.com/cothern/messages/148.html

http://genforum.genealogy.com/cothern/messages/155.html

I am not sure how Cawthon is spelled. The message above has several
possible spellings. It is spelled differently in nearly every record
I see.

Charles Cawthon and Isham Womack bought property at the same time in
Halifax Co, VA, splitting a 400 acre tract between them, so they were
neighbors. I photocopied the deed abstract when Isham Womack sold
out. I am sure Charles Cawthon sold out about the same time.

They appear to have both come to the area west of Charlotte, NC. At
that time, the western border between NC and SC was disputed, and both
colonies were giving our land in what is now SC. Tryon Co, NC
included a huge chunk of what is now SC. In 1767, Charles Cauthen
bought land from Hugh Quin in Tryon on Broad River. About the same
time, Hugh Quin bought land that included Isham Womack's
improvements. Lastly, in 1774, Hugh Quin sold 70 acres to Josiah
Womack. I had seen the Hugh Quin transactions with the Womacks
before, but thought they might be mistakes for Warnock. Now that I
found Charles Cawthon also buying land from Hugh Quin, I am convinced
we have the right Isham Womack.

I do not know who the Josiah Womack was. I doubt seriously that he
was Josiah Womack who married Keziah Wilkinson. He was probably a son
of Isham, but he was missed when Isham's children were listed in the
William Womack Chancery Case in Charlotte Co, VA. William Womack and
Lucy Womack named their oldest son Josiah.

On Aug 13, 11:33 pm, REB <robert.earl.bu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thomas Womack, son of the original Abraham Womack, married Mary
> Farley.  Both Thomas and Mary left wills naming the same 10 kids.
> Later, their son William Womack died without children (though he was
> married) in 1790 in Charlotte Co, VA.  His estate fell to his 9
> siblings (matching those in Thomas & Mary's wills), but since most of

> them were dead, it went to their kids.  Seehttp://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~rgwomack/thomas_wom...

>
> William's estate in Charlotte Co, VA took 26 years to settle, and the
> chancery records list his siblings and their kids.
>
> Isham Womack, son of Thomas Womack and Mary Farley, disappeared from
> Virginia records in the mid-1760s, when he and wife Elizabeth LNU,
> sold out in Halifax Co, VA.  Isham may have gone to SC.  There are
> records for Isham Womack in SC in the 1760s.  However, these records
> may have referred to the Warnock family, which occasionally gets
> interpreted as Womack.  SC was full of Warnocks.  I went through lots
> of records at the SC Archives online, and found that most of the
> supposed Womacks were actually Warnocks.
>
> Anyhow, Isham Womack could not be found to receive his share of his
> brother William's estate.  Isham's kids were listed as William Womack,
> Mary Owen, and Martha Womack.
>
> I think that Isham's son William married Lucy Womack (daughter of
> Thomas Womack & Louvisa Rice), and that Isham's daughter Martha
> married RobertBeene.
>
> Everyone has William Womack (who married Lucy Womack) as the son of
> Abraham Womack and Elizabeth Stubblefield.  This is incorrect.
> Records of Caldwell Co, KY show that William Womack, son of Abraham
> Womack and Elizabeth Stubblefield, was there at least in 1809-1811,
> and he later moved to Gallatin Co, IL where he died in Jan 1820.
> William Womack (who married Lucy Womack) was in Rutherford Co, NC in
> 1810.  There were about 40 William Womacks in the US in 1800, so they
> are easy to confuse.
>

> Beth gave us part of a letter from aBeene/Bean descendant saying that
> Martha Womack who married RobertBeenewas the daughter of Major Jacob

> Womack of Watauga (Tennessee) fame.  However, I think this may have
> been guess-work and/or "wishful thinking" based on the faulty

> assumption that RobertBeenewho married Martha Womack was the Captain
> RobertBeeneat Watauga during the Rev War.  The Bean/Beenefanily has

> worked hard to differentiate these two Robert Beenes.  RobertBeene
> (husband of Martha Womack) may have fought at the Battle of Kings
> Mountain, but he was likely coming from the area of Asheville, NC
> (where his dad supposedly died), not from Watauga (the Over Mountain
> Men).
>
> Nelson Womack's DNA test shows that William Womack who married Lucy
> Womack was not the son of Major Jacob Womack; rather he descended from
> the original Abraham Womack somehow.
>

> The Bean descendant says that RobertBeeneand Martha Womack stayed

> briefly in GA, but that is not true.  I think all their kids were born
> in Franklin Co, GA.
>

> RobertBeenewas in early tax lists of Frankin Co, GA.  His kids who

> were alive in 1850 were listed as born in GA in the census.  Son
> Lemuel was supposedly born in the Watauga area, but his children in
> 1880 are listed with their dad born in GA.
>

> MarthaBeene, daughter of RobertBeeneand Martha Womack, married Levi

> Berry Womack, son of William Womack and Lucy Womack.  Some

> WorldConnect entries have the note that MarthaBeeneand Levi Berry

> Womack were first cousins.  This would be true if Martha Womack and
> William Womack were siblings.  I think they were siblings, both
> children of Isham Womack.  William Womack and Lucy Womack had son

> Isham Rice Womack.  Levi Berry Womack and MarthaBeenealso had a son

> named Isham Womack.
>
> Franklin Co, GA is significant.  Elizabeth Womack Cauthorn, widow of
> Charles Cauthorn (lots of spellings) lived in Franklin Co, GA, at
> least in the early 1800s.  Elizabeth Womack Cauthorn was the daughter
> of Abraham Womack, son of Thomas Womack and Mary Farley.  Elizabeth
> Womack Cauthorn was one of the heirs in the William Womack chancery
> case in Charlotte Co, VA.  Back in Halifax Co, VA, Charles Cauthorn
> owned land adjacent to Isham Womack (his wife's uncle).  Charles
> Cauthorn made bail for Isham Womack once.  I have a court record from
> the 1750s in Prince Edward Co, VA in which Charles Cauthorn and
> Abraham Womack Jr acted as surety on a debt of Abraham Womack, Sr.
>
> Also, in Franklin Co, GA were the Spradlings, descendants of John
> Spradling and Mary Womack, another daughter of Abraham.  Thomas Womack
> who married Louvisa Rice had dealings with these Spradlings in Burke
> Co, NC records, and it was Thomas & Louvisa's daughter Lucy who
> married William Womack.
>

> So, at theBeene, Cauthorn, and Spradling families were all in

> Franklin Co, GA at the same time.  May be coincidence, but I think
> not.
>
> On Aug 13, 9:38 pm, REB <robert.earl.bu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > I just posted the DNA results for Nelson Womack:http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~reburke/lines/data/womack/dna...
>
> > Nelson is the descendant of William "Buck" Womack and Sarah McBee.
> > William "Buck" had two Womack parents, William Womack and Lucy Womack,
> > daughter of Thomas Womack and Louvisa Rice.  Francis Marion Womack, a
> > grandson of William and Lucy, wrote a letter in 1905 stating that
> > William and Lucy were distant cousins.  Seehttp://www.womacknet.com/features/fmwletter.html
>
> > We have been trying to discover William's parents.  One possibility
> > was that he was the son of Major Jacob Womack.  However, descendants
> > of Major Jacob Womack should have the "Richard Womack haplotype".
> > Nelson has the "Abraham Womack haplotype".
>
> > My theory is that both William Womack who married Lucy Womack and

> > Martha Womack who married RobertBeenewere the children of Isham

> > Womack, son of Thomas Womack and Mary Farley, Thomas being the son of
> > the original Abraham Womack.
>
> > I will elaborate more in followups to this post, but want to get this

[Beth]

Robert wrote: "Robert Beene (husband of Martha Womack) may have

fought at the Battle of Kings Mountain, but he was likely coming from
the area of Asheville, NC
(where his dad supposedly died), not from Watauga (the Over Mountain
Men)."

I reported earlier that Jim D. Beene of Norman, OK, mailed me his 1997
paper on John Been, father of Robert Been who married Martha Womack.
The change in the spelling of the Been name was an agreement by two of
Robert Been's sons and a son of Robert's brother, William Jacob Been.
Jim 's paper was also an exercise to prove that Robert Bean (m. Martha
Womack) was the son of John Been. Included in his report, which he
presented to the Southern Bean Association, is a copy of a 10 Nov 1784
land grant issued to John Been, for 1.000 acs., located on the
Wataugah (sic), in Washington Co., NC (which later became Washington
Co., TN). Jim also wrote that John Been later traded this land for
1,000 acs. in Grainger Co., TN. He sourced The Compendium of American
Genealogy, The Standard Genealogical Encyclopedia of The First
Families of America, edited by Frederick Adams Virkus, F.I.A.G.,
Volume V, 1933, published by The Institute of American Genealogy,
Chicago, IL. "..........This work lists "John Beene, of VA, his son
is shown as "Robert of Fort Watauga, E. Tenn: companion of Boone: m.
Martha Womack........"

Further documentation by Jim: "Tennessee, The Volunteer State,
1769-1923, The S. J. Clark Publishing Company, 1923 by John Trotwood
Moore, Editor and Austin P. Foster Assistant Librarian and Archivist,
p. 68. The author cites Moses Fisk, the earliest historian for
Tennessee in his account of the Watauga Treaty exercised by James
Robertson and John Been" This (Gen.) James Robertson is known as the
"the Father of Tennessee".

This treaty is not to be confused with the Watauga Petition, with
commissioners Col. Charles Robertson, William Been, Jacob Womack and
including (Gen.) James Robertson. The Watauga Treaty of 1775 was
also known as The Treaty of Sycamore Shoals, an agreement to purchase
land from the Cherokees. It has been written about James Robertson,
"Robertson's group remained at Watauga in peace until July 1776, when
chief Oconostota and Dragging Canoe attacked Fort Watauga at Sycamore
Shoals......a log fort that John Sevier had built on a Watauga River
bank" I have a copy of "Treaty With The Cherokee and North Carolina",
dated 20 July 1777, which includes the name Oconostota, of Chota, his
X mark. The treaty was witnessed by Jacob Womack.

I haven't found any document indicating John Been died in NC. Jim
Beene did not say in his report where John died. But the above land
record and the Watauga Treaty does give some credibility that John
Been was in TN with Jacob Womack. However, it does not necessarily
prove that Robert Bean and Martha Womack were there.

Estelee Beane Rankin, author of The Bean Tree, found evidence where
Robert Beene was in Georgia by 1790. She speculates they were in TN
prior to that time.

Source: Georgia, Franklin County, Land and Property Records
Book C (1785-1792), p. 97b

"Date: 7 May 1790 - Joseph Humphries and wife Rebeka sell to Robert
Bean, all of Franklin County ..........."

Lemuel Beene, their first son was born in 1782. The Beene's left GA
by 1805 and moved to TN, where there is a land record in Rutherford
Co. They later moved to Franklin Co. and finally to Marion Co.

On Aug 15, 11:03 am, REB <robert.earl.bu...@gmail.com> wrote:

[REB]

Hi Beth,

I said "supposed" since the info I had on John Beene dying in
Asheville came from an undocumented WorldConnect entry.

Robert Bean was born 1764. Daniel Boone blazed the Wilderness Road
into KY in 1775. So, unlesss Robert Bean was 11 at the time, he was
not Boone's companion. Again, probably a mix-up with his older cousin
Robert Bean.

I have seen the anecdote about the spelling of Beane, Beene, etc.
However, earlier records in Franklin Co, GA spell it Beene.

I guess the thing to find is the proof that Martha Beene and Levi
Womack were first cousins when they married. If so, the DNA evidence
is irrefutable - neither Martha Womack nor her brother William were
children of Major Jacob. Rather, since Isham Womack had children
named William & Martha, and proximity, and DNA match, he is likely the
father.

[Beth]

Hi Robert,

I know you said 'supposedly'' ! I wasn't disputing your statement. I
was just trying learn where those researchers conjured up that
information. I appoligize if I sounded condescending.

We have in writing a grandson of William Womack and Lucy Womack saying
"we claim kin to the Beans and Womacks of Watauga", a grandson of
Martha Womack Bean in writing indicating her father was Jacob of
Watauga and a descendant of Martha Womack Bean's father-in-law citing
John Been was at Watauga.

I believe the 1803 court order settling Thomas Womack and Mary
Farley's son, William's estate disproves the theory that Martha Womack
was a daughter of Isham. In 1803 Isham's daughter was not married.
Isham's name was transcribed as Johann.

Roger has these children for Isham:

Children of Isham Womack and Mary are:

30 i. Mary5 Womack, born Abt. 1742. She married Owen.

31 ii. Martha Womack, born Abt. 1745.

32 iii. William Womack, born Abt. 1750.


COURT ORDERS - CHARLOTTE COUNTY, VA
BOOK FOURTEEN 1803 - 1805

4 March 1803

Pg 11 Pleasant Robards, Stephen Robards, Joshua Robards, William
Robards, Arthur Robards, Fanny Irby, who was Fanny Robards, Judy
Chandler, who was Judy Robards; children of Martha Robards who was
Martha Womack; Plaintiffs vs Thomas Womack, adm'r of William Womack,
dec'd, and William Womack, son of Francis Womack, dec'd, Avery Womack,
Elizabeth Cauthorn, who was Elizabeth Womack, John Spraeling and Mary
his wife, which sd Mary was Mary Womack; children of Abraham Womack,
dec'd, William Womack, Mary Owen, who was Mary Womack, and Martha
Womack; children of Johann Womack and Francis Rice, Thomas Rice,
Samuel Rice, Abraham Rice, Johann Rice, Fanny Rice, Molly Cheatham who
was Molly Rice, Elizabeth Puckett, who was Elizabeth Rice; children of
Sarah Rice, dec'd, who was Sarah Womack, Francis Hamilton, Daniel Owen
& Mary his wife, who was Mary Hamilton, children of Judy Hamilton, who
was Judy Womack, Mary Mann, who was Mary Womack, Josiah Hatchett,
Joseph Talbot and Martha, his wife who was Martha Hatchett, Judith
Funkening, who was Judith Hatchett, and William Hatchett, children of
Elizabeth Hatchett who was Elizabeth Womack; Defendants - a suit in
chancery.
. . . ordered that the land and slaves be sold and the proceeds be
divided into nine parts , one ninth to the heirs of Martha Robards;
one ninth to Thomas Womack; one ninth to William Womack, son of
Francis Womack; one ninth to the heirs of Abraham Womack; one ninth to
the heirs of Johann Womack; one ninth to the heirs of Sarah Rice; One
ninth to the heirs of Judith Hamilton; one ninth to the heirs of
Elizabeth Hatchett; one ninth to Mary Mann -- brothers & sisters of
the intestate.

http://www.rootsweb.com/~vacharlo/mccargo.htm
COURT ORDERS - CHARLOTTE COUNTY, VA
BOOK FIFTEEN 1805 - 1807

If I'm not mistaken, Martha Womack and Robert Bean were married before
1803, and she most likely would have been referred to as "Martha Bean/
Been/Beene, who was Martha Womack."

~Beth

On Aug 28, 7:38 pm, REB <robert.earl.bu...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Sammers]

Ok y'all

Remember on the Watauga petition there were two Jacob Womacks - which
was which? One was
a commissioner, probably ole Major Jake - But who was tuther??

So, someone could have been a child of Jacob of Watauga; not
necessiarily ole Maj Jake;
but the other one...

Sam

[REB]

Hi Beth,

No, I did not think you were being condescending. I have corresponded
with you long enough to know that you are not like that.

The 1803 list of heirs of William Womack is incomplete, and in some
cases incorrect. I believe the list originated from Thomas Womack Jr,
son of Thomas Womack and Mary Farley, who was the administrator of
William Womack's estate.

Some corrections to the list you cited from 1803 Charlotte Co, VA
court orders (these probably transcription errors):
Avery Womack was Abner Womack
John Spraeling was John Spradling
Johann Womack was Isham Womack
Johann Rice was Isham Rice

Furthermore, people were missed in the list.

Abraham Womack, son of Thomas Womack & Mary Farley was still alive,
though listed as dead in the list. This list was from 4 Mar 1803.
Abraham Womack Sr signed his will 4 Aug 1803 in Lincoln Co, NC. His
will is the original, on a single piece of paper at NC Archives. On
the reverse side of his will, it says a copy was issued 5 Jan 1804.
The will was never entered into the will books. I also found no
reference to Abraham dying and will being probated when I looked at a
transcription of Lincoln Co, NC court minutes (Pleas & Quarters).
However, Abraham must have died between 4 Aug 1803 and 5 Jan 1804. I
think his will was not entered for probate since he had so little
property. He had already sold his land to son Abner Womack (in
Lincoln Co, NC court minutes). Note that Abraham Womack Sr was very
old when he died, since his son Abraham Womack Jr had died in 1800 in
Caswell Co, NC, aged 74, according to the Bible of his son Josiah
Womack. Assuming Abraham Sr was at least 18 when Abraham Jr was born,
then Abraham Sr was born circa 1708 or earlier, making him 95 or older
when he died in late 1803.

Assuming the 1803 list came from Thomas Womack Jr, I think he had lost
track of people. He apparently thought his oldest brother Abraham was
dead, when actually Abraham was still alive, just very old. Thomas Jr
also missed his nephew Abraham Womack Jr whose son Josiah had to claim
his father's share.

In the chancery records, the heirs of Isham Womack and Judith (Womack)
Hamilton were never found. Isham Womack disappears from VA records in
the mid-1760s. My guess is that Thomas Jr lost track of his brother
Isham at that time, or shortly thereafter.

So, Thomas Jr remembered that Isham had a daughter Martha, but Thomas
Jr probably last heard of Martha as a child (she was born 1758), and
did not know she had married.

The dates that Roger has for Isham's kid's births are just guesses. I
have no idea where Roger got that Isham's wife was Mary. When Isham
sold his land in Halifax Co, VA, his wife was Elizabeth.

[Susan]

Does anyone happen to know how Martha Womack Beene wound up in Etowah
Couny, AL where she is said to have passed away? Also, does anyone
know where she is buried?

Susan (Womack) Owens

[Beth]

Hi Susan,

Martha Womack Beene is living with her daughter and son-in-law, Martha
and Levi Berry Womack in 1830 Franklin Co., TN (1-female 70-80) and in
1840 Benton Co., AL (1 female 80-90). In 1850 Levi and his wife,
Martha (b. GA) are in DeKalb Co., AL. I haven't found proof that she
died in Gadsden. Estelee has Martha died between 1840 and 1850, but
doesn't indicate a state or county. She did write that she was with
Levi and Martha in 1840.

Beth

[Susan]

Thank you, Beth. I've always wondered about that. You probably
already know this, Etowah (was Baine) County was formed from parts of
Dekalb, St. Clair, Blount, and Calhoun (was Benton) counties in 1868.

So, depending on the area that they were living at the time, it could
have been in what is now considered Etowah. Just received a huge
wall map of Etowah from the Alabama DOT and haven't even unrolled it
out of the tube. I plan on finding a spot for it on a wall and
marking the boundaries from that era.

It may be a few weeks before I can get to it. I manage a condo complex
on an island in the Gulf. Hurricane season is a busy time for me.

Susan

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[Sammers]

Did y'all miss what I said above? That there were TWO Jacob Womacks at
Watauga??
Was the second a son of Jacob or some other Womack??

I dont think anyone has paid attention to that Jacob at all.. I know
he was there; but from whence
he cam, ??????...
Sam

[REB]

Hi Sam,

I answered in a new thread on Major Jacob.

Thanks,
Robert