[dev] Suckless and Wayland

[Hugues Moretto-Viry]

Hi guys,

I already started a similar topic some months ago where I asked you your opinion. Now, the project seems to move fast, this is why I start another subject.
The aim is different now, and I want to have some details from Suckless community / developpers about the upcoming technology.

After reading many Wayland articles, I think it will completely change Linux ecosystem and I'm a bit worried.
Wayland introduces fuzzy aspects and they're not very clear for me (POSIX compliant, KMS and network transparency).

Since I like many softwares like dwm & st, I wonder how I'll do when Wayland will become the norm (as systemd).
I really hope you consider porting your essentials softwares on Wayland, because major distribs like Fedora or Ubuntu plan to use it.
I think it's a dilemma: using your work on non-Wayland distribs or dropping my favorites softwares for Wayland...

Here my concerns (I'm not the only one, I guess).

Best Regards.

[Strake]

On 13/02/2013, Hugues Moretto-Viry <hugues....@gmail.com> wrote:
> I already started a similar topic some months ago where I asked you your
> opinion.
> Now, the project seems to move fast, this is why I start another
> subject.
> The aim is different now, and I want to have some details from Suckless
> community / developpers about the upcoming technology.
>
> After reading many Wayland articles, I think it will completely change
> Linux ecosystem and I'm a bit worried.

Well, what is its natural predator?

> Wayland introduces fuzzy aspects and they're not very clear for me (POSIX
> compliant, KMS and network transparency).
>
> Since I like many softwares like dwm & st, I wonder how I'll do when Wayland will become the norm (as systemd).
> I really hope you consider porting your essentials softwares on Wayland,

I really hope we don't.

> because major distribs like Fedora or Ubuntu plan to use it.

They can use clay tablets for all I care.

> I think it's a dilemma: using your work on non-Wayland distribs or dropping
> my favorites softwares for Wayland...

No dilemma here.

> Here my concerns (I'm not the only one, I guess).

The only one in this thread so far.

[Kai Hendry]

There is nice new LWN coverage on Wayland here:
http://lwn.net/Articles/536862/

Embrace change :)

[Sam Watkins]

On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 07:20:10PM -0500, Strake wrote:
> > because major distribs like Fedora or Ubuntu plan to use it.
>
> They can use clay tablets for all I care.

there is no way any linux distro in the foreseeable future will drop
support for Xlib, that would be ridiculous. If they use Weyland,
there will have to be an X emulation library for it. That's all.

[Christoph Lohmann]

Greetings.

Learn to code C, send in patches and help us in doing such a switch.
Then you are able to change your own destiny without any worries.


Sincerely,

Christoph Lohmann

[Martti Kühne]

choke on paywalls.

On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 6:25 AM, Christoph Lohmann <2...@r-36.net> wrote:
[...]

>
> Learn to code C, send in patches and help us in doing such a switch.
> Then you are able to change your own destiny without any worries.
>

this is what I expect from the people around here, too. :)

cheers!
mar77i

[Charlie Kester]

Agreed.

There are too many man-hours invested in applications based on Xlib.

I wouldn't worry about it until libraries like Gtk and Qt have been
ported. But even then, there are hundreds or thousands of apps that
use Xlib directly.

[Hugues Moretto-Viry]

2013/2/14 Kai Hendry <hen...@iki.fi>

There is nice new LWN coverage on Wayland here:
http://lwn.net/Articles/536862/

Embrace change :)

 

Thank you, I'll take a look in a week (when it will be free).

--
H. Mo.

[Nick]

Quoth Kai Hendry:

> There is nice new LWN coverage on Wayland here:
> http://lwn.net/Articles/536862/

A link which is free ('cos LWN are awesome):
http://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/536862/ba84056e8bee478e/

[Hugues Moretto-Viry]

Thanks a lot comrade.

Regards.

H.Mo.