Wiseway the right way...

[lux- kast]

Hi everyone,

I want to thank everyone for their comments it has help me tremendouly.
I was having issues with my stove but thanks to all the input in this forum I was able to figure out what I needed to do. One small thing that I do differently is that I use small amounts of rice coal, and with that I can even buy the cheapest pellets and it works really well the temp around the house is no less than 78 degrees. I just want to let everyone know what I'm doing just in case anyone wants to give it a try. I slide in a small amount of rice coal in the primary chamber so it can fall in top of some of the wood pellets on the secondary chamber I do it at least twice a day and seems to help with keeping the temp of the stove around 500 degrees or higher.

Thanks

Greg

[Matt Aguirre]

Your install is not ideal but if your getting what you need then that's what really matters.

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Hi,
Thanks for your response and your right my set up is not the ideal one but I didn't know about this forum before I installed the stove. I did read a lot of info and watch lots of videos about stoves,instalation, etc... but to be honest the others stoves out there aren't like the wiseway, in my opinion it should not be compared and besides this forum you can't really get any good info and ideas on how deal with the problems that someone may encounter with the wiseway stove and every set up is different.
Obviously because of my pipe set up, I was having issues with the temp. I couldn't get it to stay above 410° it was always between 390-410°, it did rise up to 500° but quickly got lower to 400°, I think the 90° anglesmakes the draft weaker.
I was considering to return the stove to TS if it wasn't for this forum and an old farmer.
I got three 90° angles on my set up the ones that you see on the picture and the one outside that goes up to 7 feet but used to be only 3 feet up.
This may not work for everyone but when I was trying to figure out what was the problem with the temp I spoke to the old farmer about the issue and he said that should add small amounts of coal to the stove and that should solve the problem **( old farmers got a simple answer for everything.. lol) and it did work now the temp is always above 500° and most of the time it stays between 575-675°.
I have no issues so far and like I said before I can even use the cheapest pellets the ones from (HD) and still works but it does makes a lot more ashes and you may have to clean the stove daily. The pellets that I use are (EasyBlaze) soft wood they are really good.
Here are some pictures of today temps.
Thanks again

Greg

[Todd Arbogast]

Glad to see the rice coal is helping with the burning with your stove but the draft is compromised by the current stove pipe elbows.
Replace the 90 degree elbows with 45 degree elbows and reduce the risk over inversion and smoke in your house. This stove is designed to have a robust positive draft, naturally, the coal is artificially boosting the draft.
5 years of using my WiseWay with many pipe and flue configurations have always proven that draft is “King “ and rules the day.

[Gary Wisener]

Great to see you posting todd good to hear from you  I think you’ve had more wise way installation configurations then anyone else have a good one GARY 

[lux- kast]

Thanks for the advice Todd.. I'm remodeling the house in the summer and the stove is going to be a center piece of the house and I'll make sure to do it (the right way)..lol!!!
Ps. The title of my post should've been (Wiseway the right way to go) or something between those lines.. lol!!

I do like this stove.

[lux- kast]

Gary the man itself!!
you have invented an awesome stove, I'm really happy with it and how it works.. I keep telling people in my area where I live that if they having issues with their stoves they should definitely try yours.

Thanks for checkingon my coments.

Greg

[Gary Wisener]

Glad you’re happy with the stove this website has a lot of information on the the 

[Paul Grant]

I remember reading all the posts here in this group a few years ago when I was planning out my purchase and install.  I remember reading that each 90 degree turn could potentially take 100 degrees of operating temperature out of the stove.  I took what I read to heart.  My install uses two 45 degree turns taking the Ventis pipe out through the wall and up the outside of my existing chimney.  This is my third full year of running my Wiseway and it seems to get better each year.  

This year I'm ONLY burning Doug Fir, Okanagans latest version (with some of the Northern Warmth Premium thown into the mix).  I've burned Okie Doug Fir and Platinum over the previous two years but this year I decided to go Doug Fir all the way.  With this latest version of the Okie DF I can run the stove for a week without needing to clean it out and even then, it takes minutes.  I run it with the draft slide half way open and the stove hums along a little over 500 degrees.  Two or three times a day I shake off the secondary burn tray and once a day I empty the ashtry.  That's it.  No mystery, no magic, the effin' thing just works.  

When I stop to think of how much more time I have now that I don't mess with cord wood, how much cleaner my home is without the ash from a wood stove in the living room and how nice it is to never have to feed the stove in the middle of the night, I thank Gary and all the people on this board that helped to steer me in the right direction.  Gary, I saw one of the USSC stoves at my local Tractor Supply a couple of months ago.  I hope you made a fortune selling out to them.  You deserve it for creating such a great product.

Cheers,

Paul

[Gary Wisener]

 Thanks Paul for the kind words I wish I would’ve made a fortune but keeping People warm on a cold winters night is Goodnuf for me

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[Flyer 304]

Good Evening Gary, Paul and to All,

Have to echo the thanks of Paul and Lux - cast, to Gary and his creation of the Wiseway stove.

 2017/2018 is my first heating season with the GW-2014. 

Had picked it up in MArch of 2017, with the hopes of having it installed and storted out before warmer weather of spring set in. Summer came early but did learn a few things, as Paul has seen in some of my posts on the site.

For fuel I committed to 3 tons of Patriot Pellets that are suppose to have been 100% Douglas Fir. I also picked 8 bags of the new 2017 Oakie Douglas Fir and also 10 bags of Olympus DF, that are made by Pacific Coast Pellets. Found out in a call to Pacific Coast,  that it is their Douglas Fir used for the current Oakie DF.

In  other posts I listed  about the bevels I added internally, that keeps the pellets from sticking on the small ledges of the feed tube just above the burn basket area. Also added heat sinks to the front of the burn tubes, so there was more surface area for heat to cast off the stove.    

Seeing the burn baskets the James Paget had come up with, I set about making a couple to try and compare to the OEM basket.

I will be updating one of the other posts about eth use of this basket and fuel types. Suffice to say I can get similar burn temps with a non Douglas Fir 100% softwood pellet, with this basket. More ash than Douglas Fir, but over $65.00/ton savings with these versus the $329 paid for the Patriot Pellets, which are not a true DF. The New Oakie DF & Northern Warmth Supreme DF are in the $360 to $380 range around here as Paul can vouch for.  

The Stove works and works very well.

Have a good draft, use good fuel, and you're rewarded with all the benefits of a wood stove without the associated work of firewood and the convenience of a pellet stove without the need of electricity. 

Top that.

With the right fuel and burn timing having the pellets dropping from the burn basket to the secondary burn plate correctly, the stove runs as long as you empty the ash pan and keep pellets in the hopper.

Fired up the Stove Friday evening after coming home from work. I didn't shut it down until this afternoon at 4pm(Sun 12-10-17). The only reason, was I wanted to replace the temperature gauge with a new one (and recommend) and I also pull the pipe and vacuum the 4" pipe from the stove that connects the the 6" class A chimney. With my current set up, I do this once a week as fly ash does accumulate in the upper burn tube (where temp gauge is), enough so I don't want it to impede the stoves drafting. I am running 27 feet of 6" dia Class A insulated Stainless pipe, so I don't think there's enough velocity to get all that fly ash out the chimney. It's only a 3 minute deal to clean the pipe and reassemble.

I was concerned that the stove wouldn't burn all the way through a night with my first use of the stove and the problems I encountered in March/April 2017.

Trial and error, lessons learned, and help from this site, got things sorted out by the start of my first season with the stove.

 I have run the stove for 30 hours and 44 hours straight before shutting down. These long burns were done with running just Oakie DF or Olympus DF or a 50/50 blend of Easy Blaze 100% softwood (southern yellow pine) and the Oakie or Olympus DF. May choose this 50/50 blending the do this next season to save $$ when it comes time to buy tonnage, unless there is a downward change in pricing  of the quality Douglas Fir available in the Connecticut area.

Fuel type does effect burn and how much carbon builds in areas of the feed tube above where the burn basket sits in the burn chamber.

My cleaning,takes about 30 minutes total including the filling of the hopper. This is a detail cleaning where I am running a single edge razor to scrape off the carbon in the feed tube and the burned on resin on the secondary plate, and vacuuming the lower portion of the stove.

Definitely enjoy having the stove. Less work, no temperature swings as the stove runs at a constant temp of where you set it, unlike a wood stove where you have to load it back up. 

For my home, I am running the stove at 650 to 700 indicated. Located in a walk out basement, so when the stove is left running more than a 8 to 10 hour overnight burn, the foundation starts to absorb more of the heat and you have this thermal mass working as well. With temps in the 20's stove is keeping the house at 70 to 72 depending on the amount of wind.

In closing, as menitoned , I came across a temperature gauge that I ordered (3) (need spares you know). It is of a larger diameter (2 5/8") and is white faced for easier viewing. The stem length is 1 3/8" and it fits the opening on the Wiseway.

 The branding is Lava Lock, and I ordered them online this from a company called Island Outdoor, which is in Comack, NY (on Long Island) . The Model is the Therm - 258, UPC# 0731236399940.

This gauge is very responsive and  the range is from 100 F to 800 F. When starting to stove, the first hash mark is at 100F, so once the pointer (needle), swings onto the mark, open the hopper and start the burn. Easier for my eyes and seems more sensitive as it swings quicker. Pic is attached.

Gary, again thank you for the Wiseway stove.

And thanks to all who have contributed ideas, thoughts, and experiences in the Wisestove group.

Up and running for the season with no issues. 

Sterling

      

 

 

[Paul Grant]

Thanks for the Lava Lock.  I just ordered one on eBay for $8.88 with free shipping.  I want a backup just in case.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/172481768059

[Flyer 304]

Good evening Paul,

Let me know how it works for you.

My original gauge failed and I went with a Char broil gauge from local store, but it seemed to be off a bit.

Saw the Lava Lock listed on Ebay and also went to Island Outdoor's various websites that cater to BBQ equipment, including

UDSparts.com which is Ugly Drum Cookers. On this site the gauge is listed with the 1 3/8" stem which is the proper length to use with the Wiseway.

The gauge is also available with a longer stem (for insulated cookers), which will not work in the wiseway as it would bottom on the opposite side of where it is being mounted.

I still use needle nose to hold the nut when starting it. 

Nut is aluminum, so a magnet won't help if dropped. It is also of a different thread diameter so the wingnut from the oem can't be used on it.

 

Sterling