"giving primacy to emotional process over the rational consideration of information - and thus his "quirky resistance to the word 'deliberative'"
Thanks for your response, Gillian.
Yankelovich and Friedman are talking about the intentional citizen deliberations organized by National Issues Forums, the largest sustained citizen deliberative activity in the US, which organizes hundreds (if not thousands) of deliberations on a preselected topic each year and reports on the results to Congress and media. These are relatively short - e.g., a couple of hours - and not randomly selected. Wisdom Councils and Creative Insight Councils, like Citizens Juries and most other forms of citizen deliberative councils, use randomly selected panelists and usually spend a couple of days to many months in their deliberations.
I know of a few CDCs that have used scientifically selected panelists, chosen specifically for their representative differences. It would be intriguing to do versions where the selection was done according to the proportion of SD's "value memes" in the society. If successful, it would demonstrate something very interesting, eh? :-)
Coheartedly,
Tom
On Aug 7, 2012, at 10:39 AM, Gillian Haley wrote:Thank you for your response, Tom. I'm hearing (reading) that there are twodifferent arenas for public dialogue. In your response it seemed to me youwere largely taking public dialogue to mean (in this values discussion) aspecific format with a representative sample ofcitizens - a format such as DF. I took the paragraph you quoted from p. 28and p. 38 of Yankelovich and Friedman's book to mean general publicdiscourse, such as that which occurs before an election.I would not think to introduce a SD frame into a DF process as it seems towork very well as is. When it's time to take the results of a DF process outto the larger public, that's where I see an opportunity for innovation. Whennew ideas ripple out of a focused dialogue process and meet those citizenswho weren't present, that's where I was suggesting Robert's work in SD andcommunication might be a good fit.Since you are already familiar with SD, Iwon't elaborate except to say that different worldviews can agree on acourse of action, but they will have differing reasons for feeling theyhave made a sound choice and that reason is rooted in their values. And Iacknowledge the mysterious common beyond values which can be attained;gives me goose bumps to think about what more research here might reveal.Where you say, "My own metaphysics is grounded in interactivity,co-creativity, dialogue of life with life; I love the word"co-incarnational" for example, which means that things bring each otherinto existence, and "interbeing" which means their ongoing existence istotally entangled," I'm moved by the beauty these words evoke for me. And Isee this spirit alive in SD, though not often manifest in application whereit is, in a sense, missing.,Best,Gillian--------------------------------------------------From: "Tom Atlee" <c...@igc.org>Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 11:58 AMTo: <dynamicfa...@googlegroups.com>Subject: Re: [DF] "Empowering Public Wisdom" - The BookI am familiar with Spiral Dynamics, but not John Marshall, Gillian.I think SD is an interesting complement to linguistic strategists likeGeorge Lakoff, helping people frame their messages to appeal to particularaudiences. That approach is framing for debate or marketing.Framing for deliberation is different. It is designed to challenge peopleto wrestle with both the bright side and shadow side of their opinions, tohear the reasonable complexity of others' views, and often to shift theirown. Dealing at the level of values, and the idea that a solution cansatisfy one value while not satisfying (or even undermining) another, thatkind of framing makes people think deeply and become more humble in theirviews.What interests me is the number of times that practices like DF andConsensus Conferences can come up with consensus statements agreed to byrandomly selected (i.e., significantly diverse) people. One would think,if the levels of SD were so distinct, that this would be impossible (and Ihave been told that it is impossible by a values-oriented sociologist,despite the fact that it happens routinely). This phenomenon obviouslywould benefit from more research.While there are definitely values profiles that a particular SD level ismost comfortable in and motivated by, it seems to me that at a deeperlevel the values are more shared than SD suggests. I think in deepdialogue, deliberation and choice-creating, Oranges and Reds can and doconnect with Green values, and vice versa, and find common ground withwhich to address public issues. Furthermore, the common ground is oftenrelated to specific issues; Occupy folks and Tea Party folks in southernOregon are coming together around community resilience and self-reliance.My own metaphysics is grounded in interactivity, co-creativity, dialogueof life with life; I love the word "co-incarnational" for example, whichmeans that things bring each other into existence, and "interbeing" whichmeans their ongoing existence is totally entangled. I miss that spirit inSD and Integral work, especially since it has so much potential inpractice. I'd love to see a more powerful marriage of the two worldviews.Coheartedly,TomOn Aug 6, 2012, at 11:40 AM, Gillian Haley wrote:I look forward to reading your new book, Tom. In reading the excerpts youpulled from Yankelovich and Friedman's book, as well as your ownexplanation of their writing, I noticed that value choices figureprominently. In particular I'm referring to the following 2 sections:(sorry this reply isn't able to change fonts, type or color so I used >and < to quote)He sees them as statements of different approaches formulated tohighlight the different values profiles represented in society'spolicy discussion of the issue, to stimulate the citizen deliberatorsto struggle with the tension between those values to get clarity forthemselves re what THEIR value profile is on that issue is, knowingthat some of their values will not be satisfied by whatever policythey ultimately choose to profess. But by that time they have (a)become willing to accept that their choice has costs and they are thuswilling (however reluctantly) to pay those costs and (b) they nolonger think of others who have different views as enemies.<<<p 28: "The one requirement for exercising public judgment that thepublic needs most (and utterly lacks) is a limited number of crediblechoices for working through each of the emotion-laden [issues]...'Limited' means not more than three or four choices. I have come tothink of these as VALUE CHOICES, as distinct from policy options ofthe sort familiar to technical experts, because the value aspect ofeach choice is central." To this he adds on p 38 "Preparing choicesfor public deliberation involves a tremendous amount of work.... Fromthe public's point of view, the right choices define the issues fromthe perspective of VALUES rather than from a technical perspective....What we're doing is starting from the public's point ofdeparture....Whether you do it formally or informally, by hunch orthrough a formal research process..., you're taking the public'sstarting point and framing choices from its perspective....[It is]essential that the values involved be an important - and explicit -basis for the choices. Because that is what citizens are bestqualified to judge."<<<As a researcher focused on sociopolitical transformation, I've studiedSpiral Dynamics and have a particular appreciation for John MarshallRobert's book, >Igniting Inspiration<. Spiral Dynamics identifies 8 memesfrom which people operate and each of the 8 have a particular set ofvalues. Robert's book explains the foundational values of each meme alongwith the types of arguments for change which are likely to emotionallyreach someone operating from a particular meme.For example, the Green meme is one of several which are dominant in USsociety. Green's core values are humanism and connection. Framing choicesin terms of the human family and equality appeals to them, while dialogueand feelings are their preferred methods for accomplishing goals. Anotherdominant meme, Orange, is turned off by reasoning based on feelings andequality. Orange's core values are success and profit, while life is agame to win through the use of good strategy and tactics. It's more fluidthan this cookie cutter example I gave, but the example gives an idea ofdifferent frames required to successfully reach citizens operating fromdifferent memes.Seemed to me his work would go well with Yankelovich and Friedman's andthought I'd mention it in case you hadn't heard of it.Gillian--------------------------------------------------From: "Tom Atlee" <c...@igc.org>Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 8:59 AMTo: <dynamicfa...@googlegroups.com>Subject: Re: [DF] "Empowering Public Wisdom" - The BookThanks for the thumbs-up, Jim. I think people will find the bookthought-provoking (and supportive, given my raves about DF and myproposal of Wisdom Councils in 100 communities). I'm especiallyinterested in people picking up on the meme of "public wisdom", withserious inquiry into what we mean by "wisdom" and what generates it inthe public sphere.I'm currently reading "Toward Wiser Public Judgment" by DanielYankelovich and Will Friedman (main players behind Public Agenda andNational Issues Forums). Several quotes reminded me of you - althoughYankelovich's framing is of a collective "learning curve" rather than acollectively creative activity (which is more your framing). But hisgiving primacy to emotional process over the rational consideration ofinformation - and thus his "quirky resistance to the word'deliberative'" reflect yours, and I thought you might enjoy it comingfrom one of the paragons of the deliberative democracy movement. Hisuse of the word "transaction" also reflects your frame.Coheartedly,Tomp 12 "The prevailing theory sees public opinion formation as a simpleTRANSACTION: the media provide their audiences with information that isabsorbed as it is transmitted; its content is wholly cognitive. I mayreact emotionally to it, in anger or disgust or with eager enthusiasm.But the transaction itself is assumed to be a simple, direct matter ofcommunicating facts, ideas, and opinion, conveyed and absorbedsimultaneously."p 16 "Information has a role to play, but rarely the most importantone. The key dynamic in public opinion formation is an emotion-laden,value-driven, time-consuming process of overcoming our naturalinclination to denial and wishful thinking over extended periods oftime."p. 18 "...the public becomes aware of an issue and begins to take itseriously...[which] initiates a 'working-through' stage in which thepublic begins to confront the need for change, considers the pros andcons of proposed actions, and wrestles with trade-offs. In this stageof the learning curve people struggle to reconcile their positions onissues with their core values. In this sometimes stormy process,emotions play a more prominent role than objective analysis anddeliberation... Rarely does the course of change proceed smoothly. Itis full of backsliding and procrastination and avoidance." [This is notthe same as the DF process, but it acknowledges the non-linearity ofconversations that deepen into an issue.]p 45 "I do have this somewhat quirky resistance to the word'deliberative,' because it conjures up an image that's too rational, toodeliberative, too thoughtful, too balanced, too reflective.... People'sminds are much more stormy and emotional. Part of our contribution isto describe the way people act in real life."He comes so close to your world, but can't pass through to a place ofco-creating options that, because the are transformational (i.e., leapinto another frame), have fewer trade-offs. I'm reading the bookbecause of his use of "public" and "wiser" in the title; I'm similarlycaught with how close he comes to the wisdom focus that I have now.Although it is in his title, he hardly mentions it in his book, andnever explicitly addresses the question of what it is and how to get it.I see him as definitely on the leading edge of the mainstream, but stillin a kind of mainstream box. It makes his work tremendously useful toreflect and comment on in light of our own (as I am doing in an articleI'm currently working on).Finally, I want to share something that I learned from this book : thatYankelovich doesn't intend the 3-4 approaches to an issue that areprovided in briefing books to be policy options the citizen deliberatorsmust choose among. In fact, he doesn't see them as policy options atall. He sees them as statements of different approaches formulated tohighlight the different values profiles represented in society's policydiscussion of the issue, to stimulate the citizen deliberators tostruggle with the tension between those values to get clarity forthemselves re what THEIR value profile is on that issue is, knowing thatsome of their values will not be satisfied by whatever policy theyultimately choose to profess. But by that time they have (a) becomewilling to accept that their choice has costs and they are thus willing(however reluctantly) to pay those costs and (b) they no longer think ofothers who have different views as enemies. I think of this as rathersophisticated. Sadly, it lacks the intentionally co-creative dimensionof choice-creating, so that it fails to channel the energy of thefrustration and tensions around values trade-offs into leaps of creativebreakthrough into new ways of thinking about the issue.p 28: "The one requirement for exercising public judgment that thepublic needs most (and utterly lacks) is a limited number of crediblechoices for working through each of the emotion-laden [issues]...'Limited' means not more than three or four choices. I have come tothink of these as VALUE CHOICES, as distinct from policy options of thesort familiar to technical experts, because the value aspect of eachchoice is central." To this he adds on p 38 "Preparing choices forpublic deliberation involves a tremendous amount of work.... From thepublic's point of view, the right choices define the issues from theperspective of VALUES rather than from a technical perspective.... Whatwe're doing is starting from the public's point of departure....Whetheryou do it formally or informally, by hunch or through a formal researchprocess..., you're taking the public's starting point and framingchoices from its perspective....[It is] essential that the valuesinvolved be an important - and explicit - basis for the choices.Because that is what citizens are best qualified to judge."It is also interesting to note Yankelovich's background, like yours(organizational consulting, creativity and Jungian psychology) and mine(activism, evolutionary science and holistic philosophy). Yankelovichsays on p 36: "My background was different from the background of mostpeople in the polling profession. I was trained in psychology andphilosophy, not statistics. From a psychological point of view, thenotion that people are working through issues, struggling with them,dealing with the rational and irrational at the same time came directlyfrom studies in personality development. My background and training inphilosophy gave me a concern for the nature of opinion as knowledge, theepistemological side of the issue."Note that on that same page, Will Friedman says, "The process of workingthrough is not all about loss and coming to terms with it. Therecertainly is some of that - the loss of easy answers, the need to accepttrade-offs and sacrifices. But there is also a sense of buildingsomething new - common ground, creative breakthroughs, new ways ofworking together and moving forward - that does not map quite as well toworking through in the sense of loss and grief. There's a lot that'sfun and liberating about working through as well as a lot that's hardand harrowing."Perhaps you can see that there's a lot to work with here, a lot toconnect around, a sense of us all being part of a shared stream, atdifferent stages and in different dimensions of its larger evolution andflow...See you at NCDD...tom
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