RE: [Winsome Games] Digest for winsomegames@googlegroups.com - 1 Message in 1 Topic

[Chris Fawcett]

John, I've sent you a number of e-mails to the fyi.net address, but none of them have been answered, though other people at other providers get my mail.  Your messages sent from there don't seem to be getting to me, though I do receive mail from other people at other providers.  I can only hope some of your mail is getting through to some folks. 

 

The default premise that something's wrong with att.net seems more than a little thin, given the relative sizes of the organizations behind the ISP.  AT&T is huge and reliable; fyi.net is a small-fry outfit localized to a specific city, with a technical staff that can't even keep their web site current.  Perhaps the problem lies with them.  Perhaps they are home to spammers and so are a black-listed ISP.  Who knows?  Regardless, the e-mail path you're using doesn't work for this customer, so something else is going to have to be done.  We do need to figure something out, since I've been trying to get some response to my queries for a number of weeks to no avail.

 

I'd like to order some games from you, especially Lokomotve Werks, but others as well, if there are any available. 

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John Bohrer <win...@fyi.net> Sep 23 08:26PM -0700 ^

 
> Nothing, I'm afraid.
 
 
Well , I have sent it twice again tonight. If you don't get it, Chris,
something is happening at your internet provider, att.net


 

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[John Bohrer]

On Sep 25, 7:47 am, "Chris Fawcett" <yanke...@att.net> wrote:
> John, I've sent you a number of e-mails to the fyi.net address, but none of
> them have been answered, though other people at other providers get my mail.
> Your messages sent from there don't seem to be getting to me, though I do
> receive mail from other people at other providers.  I can only hope some of
> your mail is getting through to some folks.

Just about everyone else seems to get the emails, Chris, and I get
theirs.

Just send a $45 US Postal Money Order made out to and sent to:
John Bohrer
515 W. Hutchinson Ave, #6
Pittsburgh, PA 15218

and we will get a Lokomotive Werks off to you, Chris.

[Rich Pardoe]

On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 4:47 AM, Chris Fawcett <yank...@att.net> wrote:
>AT&T is huge and reliable;

It is BUT it also appears to have a very aggressive filter in the system as well (or perhaps a very harsh white list / black list in play).  In addition to Winsome, my AT&T Group address has troubles receiving mail from GMT Games, Ami-Ami (a Japanese anime vendor), and a others that I can't recall at the moment.  In fact, Ami-Ami even has a page on their websites about problems with customers using e-mail addresses within the AT&T Group.

I have had experiences with my AT&T Group e-mail suddenly being black listed and unable to send.  I have had days where my e-mail is hung up and delayed hours if not days.  AT&T is huge and mostly reliable.  I use it for a lot of my correspondence, but for the few problems with it I do have (such as Winsome e-mails) - I have switched to another (ie GMail) address for John to use.

Oh, the final irony?  The e-mails sent to GMail that are forwarded to my AT&T Group account always get through when the direct send e-mails do not.

[Mikko Saari]

I've also had severe problems emailing AT&T addresses, though I've always received emails back telling my emails are not welcome.

Mikko

[Games on the Brain]

ATT.net is very aggressive at blocking emails. I have a 50k+ opt-in
email list at work and we don't even send to ATT.net email addresses
because they almost always are bounced because they think it is spam.

-Tim

On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Mikko Saari <mi...@mikkosaari.fi> wrote:
> I've also had severe problems emailing AT&T addresses, though I've always received emails back telling my emails are not welcome.
>
> Mikko
>

[Stephen Smith]

I'll go ahead and chime in here as well. When I initially set up myt
att.net account last year, everything was fine. Then, all of a
sudden, I stopped getting emails from Winsome. Fortunately, through
friends and BGG, I didn't miss anything important. However, I
afterwards spent hours on the phone with AT&T tech support trying to
sort this out. They refused to ever acknowledge that it could be a
problem on their end. The only recourse I got was a link to an online
form that FYI.net could fill out and submit to AT&T. Now I depend on
my gmail account for Winsome communication.

Stephen

[Games on the Brain]

The problem is that ATT checks the reverse DNS for the hostnames of
all of the emails they get. If it looks like the reverse DNS of a
personal computer (or if it is a dynamic ip), they block it, since
most spam comes from dynamic IP addresses. In addition, they are
aggressive about blocking emails that aren't signed with a
DomainKey-Signature and/or DKIM signature; again, because spam
virtually never has them.

Google Groups has the signatures, but John's normal emails directly to
someone do not. The problem with ATT (and Hotmail too) is that a huge
number of small websites and service providers don't either, as it is
very very difficult to set up.

Basically, what it comes down to is this. Google has figured out how
to detect spam for Gmail while virtually never having false positives.
ATT and Hotmail hasn't, so rather then let lots of spam through, they
are overly aggressive at blocking it, and they basically don't care
about the false positives.

-Tim