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I use a Zen Thermostat Zigbee edition. It is simple, straightforward, easy to use and setup. It doesn't have an internal scheduler, so you have to set any schedules in HE, exactly where they should be IMHO. For me, it has a very high SAF.
I second the Zen Zigbee Edition. I have been very happy with it. I did have an issue where the changes were not being picked up and the settings would almost immediately revert to the prior settings. However, this was not with just the Zen, but also with the Radio Thermostat I had been using prior to the Zen (brought over from the Iris system). I set up some simple rules to check the setting and make sure it matches the mode it should be in. Since I did that, the Zen has been rock-solid reliable. If it says anything, I would definitely purchase one again.
I tried the Centralite Pearl also, but found it lacked the auto-changeover functionality that I can get with the Zen. Also, the Zen is easy to set up as you go on a web site, put in your parameters, and it will guide you though the connections for your system. It has been a while, so I am going of an old memory here.
Also, the Zen is easy to set up as you go on a web site, put in your parameters, and it will guide you though the connections for your system. It has been a while, so I am going of an old memory here.
Edit: never mind, re-read and realized you're referring to their website that tells you how to make the wired connections to your thermostat. Almost lunch time here and yet I still need more coffee, apparently .
The Honeywell T6 doesn't do any of this (reverse staging is supposedly supported, but I never got it to work as intended). Instead, staging is chosen based on "cycles per hour (CPH)". So if you set Stage 1 to be something like 4 CPH, and Stage 2 to be 3 CPH, then the thermostat is more likely to start up in Stage 1 than Stage 2. But because stage 2 is set at 3 CPH, it will randomly shift to Stage 2, for a 2-3 minute blast of cold air before shutting off. I also experienced multiple instances of this thermostat running solely in Stage 2 - so it cooled very rapidly, with very poor dehumidification.
There are smart thermostats that do permit terrific control of multi-stage equipment. On the zigbee side the Zen thermostat recommended by @wayne.pirtle and @StephenH works well. The Centralite Pearl, recommended by @marktheknife, is also a very good thermostat. On the z-wave side, the only two I found that work well are the GoControl and the 2GIG Z-wave 700 thermostat.
One thing that kinda pissed me off recently with my ecobee was we had an extended power outage over the summer due to a downed pole and 4 days later the electricity was back on but comcast needed to wait for power company to get the pole up before they'd do anything (understandable) and it ended up being like another 3-4 days? before they finally got us back online. Anyway...When the ecobee came back up I didn't realize it but the time was all wrong and so my schedule was all messed up. Oh ok, no biggie, I'll just set the clock.
I figured out 2 ways to get around that. #1 was factory resetting it which I didn't want to do and #2 was reconfiguring the wifi to my phone's hotspot which I ended up doing to get the time set. But come on!?!?!?!? Allllll those settings for the equipment and you can't let me set the damn TIME at least when you KNOW you're offline?
LOL...where were you last night. I just ordered a used T6 Pro off ebay to try out to replace my Ecobee. I have a Bosch IDS 2.0 heat pump system that while isn't "2 stage" (because it has a 2 speed air handler but the outside unit is fully variable speed), as far as the stat is concerned, it's a 2 stage. For a while I used the temp differential staging, then moved to the time based but I think that maxes out at 120mins IIRC. So then I reconfigured my equipment to be a "multi-speed fan" and now I can go into the quick settings and choose low or high manually. 95% of the time I want air handler speed to be low and only low no matter how long the runtime is. I'm currently using the Ecobee Suite Integration and one thing I'd love to be able to control is the "fan speed" because according to the charts for the heating performance low stage is more efficient (BTUs/kWh) than high until you get down to 32F so I wanted to have an automation that just changed the fan speed to high > 32 and low < 32 and the ecobee suite doesn't support those API calls and I'm not sure it ever will. (I haven't dug through/figured out if there's a similar crossover point for the A/C side but I just ran it in low almost all summer and it kept up just fine.)
Being serious. I have installed several ecoBee thermostats, two in my own home, some for friends. They are VERY easy to work with, and although you may be on hold for a while, you DO get high-quality support over the phone should you need it.
In my opinion there are very few thermostats that can do dual-fuel properly, and most are not Z-wave or Zigbee thermostats. I like the Honeywell Prestige IAQ with Redlink for remote connectivity (and Hubitat integration), but it is not Zigbee or Z-wave.
Where I previously lived I had a heat pump with a Venstar thermostat (and Insteon). It handled the aux heat very well. Currently I have natural gas for heat, and living in the Phoenix metro heat is an afterthought.
Thanks everyone for the good info. I'm sticking with what I have. For everyday it's automateable just enough via IFTTT. I just went on my first vacation with Hubitat and something didn't work as planned.
I had a Pearl which I liked the look and how it was controlled, however its control algorithm is very poor. It allowed the temperature (boiler, baseboard heat) to vary almost 2 F.
From what I can tell, the control acts like a switch at the set temperature with a little hysteresis. As opposed to a duty cycle control (usually with 4 or 5 cycles an hour).
Not to hijack this post but have you been able to update the firmware on your devices? Do you know if there is even an update?
I talked to Resideo once, they didn't understand the "old" Z-wave devices, telling me I had to connect to their hub.
I have been using a "2gig CT100 Z-Wave Programmable Thermostat" for more than 6 years without any issues. Runs heat, cool and fans. (I only use it for heat.)
Sadly no longer available through Amazon.
I use it on a millivolt gas stove. (Now running on a 48V power supply and relay to power the thermostat.)
BRIAN ALFOND: Hello, folks. Welcome to this episode of the Reimagine Marketing podcast. I'm your host Brian Alfond. And I'm part of SAS's Global Customer Intelligence Group where I work with customers to find elegant and creative solutions to their marketing problems.
My guest today is Lisa Loftis, a CRM customer experience and business intelligent expert with over 30 years experience assisting organizations with customer strategy. She's worked with numerous organizations all over the world and across virtually every industry on all aspects of successful data governance, business intelligence, and CRM. She specializes in combining technology necessary to support customer experience and business intelligence strategies with organizational structures, executive leadership, cultural factors, and other things required to migrate an organization towards effective implementation of customer strategies. She speaks frequently at national and international conferences, has co-authored the book Building the Customer-Centric Enterprise, and is a colleague in principle on the SAS Customer Intelligence global practice.
Lisa recently penned an article I found on CMSWire entitled "Phygital-- A Confusing Neologism for a Very Real Problem," which explores in part the trouble with buzzwords, the specific definition of this one, and the difficulty in making phygital happen in the marketplace. Now, personally, I have trouble keeping up with all the new and redefined words and terms we use in language today. And I don't think I'm alone in this. And from my reading of this article, it is very evident I'm not alone in this. So, Lisa, thank you for talking to me today. And perhaps we can start hopefully simply with the definition of phygital.
LISA LOFTIS: Thank you, Brian. [CLEARS THROAT] Listening to you give me the introduction, I'm going to have to change my bio because it makes me sound like Methuselah.
[LAUGHTER]
Anyway, so the issue that I have with phygital, if we take out the fact that the term phygital reminds me of the toys fidgets. Do you remember those?
LISA LOFTIS: And they're designed to help people fidget. And fidgeting is defined as making small movements especially of the hands and feet through nervousness and impatience. And that doesn't seem to me to be a great parallel into a word that we are talking about in the CX and marketing space to begin with.
But really, the reason that I have an issue with phygital is more how it's applied because most of the shorthand definitions that we look at for phygital actually start with the fact that it's a melding of the physical and digital worlds, which is fine. I mean, that's what we're trying to do in CX when we talk about the hybrid digital/physical customer engagement model. It's when you dig deeper into those definitions that I start to have problems because if you Google them, you'll find things like this tacked onto the definition.
However, as the retail companies that have adopted this technique have underlined, the real application of a phygital structure is that of enhancing the engagement of the consumers thanks to the introduction of digital technologies inside the traditional physical spaces. Or this one. Phygital is governed by the three I's-- immediacy, immersion, and interaction. The first two I's, immediacy and immersion, come from the digital realm with the final I, interaction, coming from the physical realm. Now, what those definitions lead the reader to is that you have to be in the physical realm, the store, in order to have a phygital interaction.