dec 25

[ted basler]

I went to cc yesterday christmas.  wore thermals hunting hat wool socks and cotton socks over them wet suit under dry suit.  was walking on snow and in the cold water for 2 hours.  Only big toes got numb but did not feel cold.  Water slowly soaked my socks but feet did not get cold because it was a very slow leak into boots  feet warmed up water inside boots. I pushed myself too hard at work. did not eate well and muscles did not work.  I was exhausted after getting dresssed trying to pull rubber over rubber.  I was warm the whole time. My attempts to wind surf was a disaster.  I never felt unsafe, but iron man II turned into Samson with his hair cut off.  If someone helps me put my suit on I will try to go out,  but i am exhausted.  Ted

[Chris Mihill]

Dry suit OVER wet suit is a bit much.  The energy to put it on and the limited restriction would zap whatever energy you had left.   I'm not the cold weather expert (Expect The Iron Man to chime in on that), but I'm thinking thermal long underware under a GOOD drysuit should keep the core war.  Hands, feet, head were probably fine with what you had on.   Way too cold to go today. --- On Sat, 12/26/09, ted basler <ted.b...@gmail.com> wrote:

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[Tim Hossfeld]

yeah, my cold-weather pals in Canada/Seattle do the thermal underwear with drysuit.  Also hoodie, gloves, boots.

I am NOT a fan of a drysuit due to the "waterbag" issue.  If you get a tear in the suit, it then fills with water, causing two problems.  You are now exposed to the cold water, plus the suit is filled with water which is heavy and severely restricts your mobility.

Other guys/gals use thick wetsuits for cold weather surfing/kiteboarding/windsurfing, which is my preference.

No clear winner that I can find, both have advantages/disadvantages.

Tim

[Tim Hossfeld]

the Kansas City guys are all going kite snowboarding today, they got tons of snow and wind.  Lucky ducks !!!

Way warmer than getting in the water too.

Tim

On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 10:00 AM, Chris Mihill <cmi...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

[Anna McClellan Christy]

Yeah, I left KC when everything was just starting to ice over and the snow was coming in.  Ted, I say we try for tomorrow or next week Friday or Saturday.  Windsurfing in cold water when you are exhausted is a recipe for disaster.

 

I am still at home waiting for the cable guy to finish getting my cable set up.

 

Anna

[Chris Mihill]

Let's just all move to Hawaii and our problems would be solved! --- On Sat, 12/26/09, Tim Hossfeld <tim.ho...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Gross, Matthew]

Ted my buddies and I will be out there around lunch time to see you fly with the wind today!
Matthew E. Gross

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[Richard Hunter]

Kudos for extreme sporting.   I nearly always feel fatigue while pulling on all the winter windsurfing apparel. It actually contributes to staying warm, unless you are already fatigued as you were.   "Rubber over rubber" would definitely restrict blood flow, perhaps even overheat your core - your extremeties could still feel cold. Since you were already fatigued, it could have made things much worse. I don't use energy drinks, though I drink Gatoraid for electrolyte balancing. Possibly too much energy drinking could contribute to fatigue combined with not enough food intake. Quite a few variables involved in this windsurfing session.   Concerning your waterstarting or uphauling near the shore with a concaved beachline and due onshore wind, you have to convince yourself how effective dry suits can be and just swim your equipment 10 or 20 yards away from shore (farther if necessary) before water starting or uphauling, expecially with a long fin (I mention this in case you didn't try this right away). The work to swim in all that clothing while pushing your equipment will generate plenty of heat to compensate for the heat loss by the cold water engulfing you. It may overheat you if you are overdressed.   Rich     -- On Sat, 12/26/09, Chris Mihill <cmi...@sbcglobal.net> wrote: