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[ted basler]

Chris,  This could have gotten real ugly real quick.  Thanks for resorting to taking the high road.  I always admired how everyone who posts here keeps this web site on the up and up and respectful.  All I was trying to do was offer my equipment to the abuse of the conditions and offer people an opportunity for some memorable fun and time on the water.  If you are safely warm and can windsurf in the conditions then it really is not extreme or anyone being an iron man.  Its just being equiped for the conditions.  When in space wear a space suit. I was not trying to offend anyone's macho by offering my equipment.  I was just offering an opportunity.  When soaking in the tropical sun wear a bathing suit.  When windsurfing in cold weather figure out a system that works great and go for it. If I had taken off from a different place on the lake on Christmas I wouild have had a good session if I wasn't so exhausted.  That is why I played is safe and that just made it worse. Two guys have been of vacation this week at work and I over did it then tried to windsurf and that didn't work. Respectfully to Chris and Rich,    Ted

[Richard Hunter]

The soothing warmth method in a dry suit is only applicable in air temperatures of about 50 to 60 degrees when you don't wear undergarmets. I surmise the fabric absorption would prevent the soothing cirulation to all epidermal points away from the exit orifice. --- On Sat, 12/26/09, ted basler <ted.b...@gmail.com> wrote:

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[kees dejong]

I have been wondering if wearing a wetsuit under your drysuit is beneficial. The wetsuit works by trapping water in itself which is then heated by your bodies temperature. Because of it's cell structure water does not move quickly through it therfore keeping you warm unless you spend alot of time in the cold water. That is why you should dunk yourself in water to start the process, or take a warm shower with it on if you can.

I believe thermal type clothing (layering) will be much more beneficial as I believe someone already mentioned. It will also help movement of limbs and help the circulation of blood.

I haver heard of fisherman wearing waiters to stay dry also carried sharp knives to slice open the bottom of the waiters  in case they fell in and could not get out of the water because of the weight.

And never go out by yourself in weather like this. One small mistake could lead to catastrophical situations really quick.

Can you swim to shore with in a few minutes if you had to? Hypothermia sets in pretty quick in these temps especialy with the wind blowing, and there is no one able to rescue you in time if something bad did happen, God forbid.

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From: Richard Hunter <richs...@sbcglobal.net>
To: windf...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Mon, December 28, 2009 10:19:52 AM
Subject: Re: depends

[Tim Hossfeld]

yes, ditto on the "no one able to rescue you" comment !

you guys recall when the fire department and park rangers tried to "rescue" me at creve ceour ?

All they could do was sit on the beach and wait for me to swim in.  They don't have a boat so not really sure what they intended to do !

For those new here, the best part was I ended up helping a ranger push their car out of the sand.  They got stuck.  Oh, and I never needed a rescue, just had pulled the kite safety due to insane gusty wind and was floating/lazy swimming back to shore.

Point is, cold is bad.  And this area is not equipped to help a waterman/waterwomen in trouble.

Tim

[Tim Hossfeld]

oh yeah, 100% on how a wetsuit works.  An ingenious development !   I've got neoprene gloves which work great in cold water.

anyone interested in the latest wetsuit technology, check out a surfer magazine.  There has been some innovation in the field, mostly in flex areas and green materials.  Nice.

Tim

On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 10:47 AM, kees dejong <keesde...@yahoo.com> wrote: