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Erik Moeller

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Sep 30, 2007, 12:37:49 PM9/30/07
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LiquidThreads is now installed on the WikiEducator server. This
replaces the old wiki style talk pages with a threaded discussion
model.

I've moved all old wiki talk pages >1500 characters to archives;
shorter pages will be shown in the "header" area of an LQT page. You
can still archive those, either by copy & pasting, or by going through
http://wikieducator.org/Special:Movepage - I generally follow the
[[/Archive]] pattern.

Remember, this is still beta (perhaps alpha) software, so please
expect things to break. :-) You can report problems on
http://wikieducator.org/LiquidThreads , or directly on this list.

We'll document some of the new features on the above page as well.

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Erik

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Erik Moeller

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Sep 30, 2007, 12:44:28 PM9/30/07
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I should add that this is currently only running on the English
version. I suggest that we try it out for a couple of months before
rolling it out on the remaining wikis - though it should be trivial to
do so if there is a need.

Steven Parker

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Oct 1, 2007, 8:38:04 PM10/1/07
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Hi Erik
 
I got this error when replying to a topic using the liquid thread feature.
 
Cheers
 
Sparkered
 
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Database error

A database query syntax error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software. The last attempted database query was:
update mw_user_message_state, mw_watchlist set ums_read_timestamp = null where ums_user = wl_user and ums_thread = 23 and ( (wl_namespace = 0 and wl_title = "LiquidThreads" ) or (wl_namespace = 16 and wl_title = "==1st_"bug"?==_(5)" ) )
from within function "". MySQL returned error "1064: You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near 'bug"?==_(5)" ) )' at line 3 (localhost) ".
 
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Erik Moeller

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Oct 1, 2007, 8:54:11 PM10/1/07
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That was an escaping issue with the quotation marks, which should be fixed now (that particular comment is probably doomed though :).

mackiwg

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Oct 2, 2007, 2:59:29 AM10/2/07
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Hi Erik,

Having a lot of fun playing with LQT and have had good feedback from
folk I've been showing in face-to-face situations. Great technology!

In the early days of the development there was discussion about an
archiving feature where a user could write a short summary of the
discussions and then archive the threads. Has this been implemented?

(I understand that the threads on WikiEd have not reached the
specified number of day's for archiving yet.)

Just curious ...

I also posted one or two ideas about navigation - particularly links
back to the main article page to which the thread and/or reply
relates.

See: http://www.wikieducator.org/Thread:Navigation_thoughts_and_behaviour_when_not_logged_in_%281%29

Pretty cool that each post has its own ID for referencing purposes!

Chat to you soon.
Wayne

Erik Moeller

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Oct 2, 2007, 3:06:59 AM10/2/07
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On 10/2/07, mackiwg <WMack...@col.org> wrote:
> In the early days of the development there was discussion about an
> archiving feature where a user could write a short summary of the
> discussions and then archive the threads. Has this been implemented?
>
> (I understand that the threads on WikiEd have not reached the
> specified number of day's for archiving yet.)

Yes, it's set to 14 days right now.

> I also posted one or two ideas about navigation - particularly links
> back to the main article page to which the thread and/or reply
> relates.

Those are good suggestions. I definitely agree that the granularity of
threads still can make them a bit confusing to navigate.

We'll try to focus on mission-critical bugs for now if that's OK (I
count incorrectly recorded or displayed histories among that), and
getting the code into a maintainable and easy to deploy shape, though
I'll see if we can have a few small navigation improvements. As I
understand we have funding for another two weeks. I'll have a chat
with the Wikia folks to see if they have an interest in deployment and
further improvements.

mackiwg

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Oct 2, 2007, 3:24:52 AM10/2/07
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Great - so in 14 day's time we get to test the archiving feature.
Given our time frames for wrapping up the project, perhaps we should
temporarily set the archive feature to 7 days to give us a chance to
test this in the WikiEd enviroment?

Yip, we have COL based funding for an additional 2 week's coding work,
then I'm afraid my budget on this project has run out :-(.

I agree that we should prioritise major bugs and getting the history
issues sorted. It would be nice if we can implement minor navigation
improvements. Also, improving the message displayed to users who are
not logged in (see Phsi's comment). I was also thinking that the
message that "You need to be logged in to post to the dissusion" in a
different colour would be helpful.

Looks like I'm developing geek habits being up so late :-).

Erik Moeller

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Oct 2, 2007, 3:29:40 AM10/2/07
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On 10/2/07, mackiwg <WMack...@col.org> wrote:
> I agree that we should prioritise major bugs and getting the history
> issues sorted. It would be nice if we can implement minor navigation
> improvements. Also, improving the message displayed to users who are
> not logged in (see Phsi's comment). I was also thinking that the
> message that "You need to be logged in to post to the dissusion" in a
> different colour would be helpful.

OK, I'll see what we can do, but we have to prioritize. I'm sure lots
of small requests like this will come in over the next few days, but I
also still expect some major bugs here and there.

For the future of the extension, including its maintainability on
WikiEducator, I consider it essential to separate it into a proper
module (which it currently is not - it's essentially a hacked version
of MediaWiki _with_ a module). Otherwise our code will start getting
out of date quickly, and we'll have a really hard time upgrading
MediaWiki. So I'd like to reserve a week's time for that.

Perhaps you have some contacts to open source developers who could
also help improve the extension in the coming months?

mackiwg

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Oct 2, 2007, 3:43:04 AM10/2/07
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Agreed -

Separating this into a proper module is a very high priority.
Maintainability is more important than feature tweaks.

Always looking for developers who can improve MW features <smile>.

Cheers
Wayne

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