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[Terresa Cherrie]

SoI finally got a boxed Samurai last year and it could be CIB. There's so little information out there and I haven't come across any other photos of the paperwork/manuals/inserts so I'm assuming CIB at the moment. If anyone has more info please chime in! Here are the pics of everything in the box:

There is a cheap Samurai sticker covering the Nintendo logo on the back. The sticker has fallen off on most of the controllers I've come across. I'd say this is very rare, perhaps as rare as the box if not rarer. Only about 5-10% of controllers still have the sticker in my experience.

I've had at least 20 different Samurai consoles pass through my hands. I mainly got them for research and sold a few but still have most of them. At the moment I have 13 loose consoles. 3 more are still in India but I doubt I'll get my hands on them any time soon because of corona. Most of these will be up for sale soon once I finish documenting and cleaning them up.

- The black Samurai logo on the console is actually a sticker covering the original Asian Version branding. I figured this out because the second one I have has a ripped sticker with the original branding visible underneath. What this means is that the initial batches were imported as fully assembled units from Asia. The more common units with the red Samurai logo printed on were imported as parts and assembled in India. The black logo consoles have both a Samurai serial and also the original Asian Version serial on the bottom.

- The consoles with red logos do not have any metal shielding on the inside. They also have fewer screws holding the console together even though all the original screw holes are present. Seems like a cheap attempt at cost cutting.

These are all the Samurai carts I have right now. Unfortunately they're all stuck back home in India so I only have older pics. Samurai carts come in different styles. Grey carts, black carts, black labels, colorful labels, etc. A friend of mine actually has a gold Ice Climbers cart! Never seen that before.

I found 3 of these Samurai branded game protectors. I think they are the equivalent of NES game sleeves but I don't think they were included with each game. These seem to be more like accessories you could buy separately.

The game protectors probably had nothing to do with Samurai, maybe they had a licensing deal, since Samurai was in a completely different region of India (Samurai was located in Rajasthan)

"A discussion on legit vs pirate Samurai carts. I have some very interesting findings which lead me to a controversial conclusion. Will update soon."

Years ago on NA after I first interviewed the CEO of Samurai about the NES, I was apprehensive to say that Samurai sold pirate carts. These days I am not so much.

1. -indian-entertainment-electronics-industry-goes-through-turbulent-times-814947-1991-10-15 "But Samurai isn't giving up. It recently introduced a cheaper model at two-thirds the previous price"

Likewise:

However, Samurai actually trademarked the term MicroGenius in India in 1990: =cache:IdrxHA9MnCEJ: -miclo-genius+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=pl&client=firefox-b-d

It is known that in at least Russia and Poland, Sega allowed distributors there to sell pirate consoles, because it would create brand recognition for the company and it could still sell software and make some money. Could it have been the same case here? Remember, Samurai once again in 2007 was the distributor for the Wii and DS in India, so it's not like the company has bad blood with Nintendo..

On another note, there is a picture circulating around of MG people showing how to point out the differences between a real and a bootleg MG machine. I always assumed this came about because of Chinese market piracy, but maybe it's related to this too?

I see. I was guessing based on the differences in the assembly of the console. Judging from the quality, it appears all the parts for the console itself throughout the entire run (except maybe the cartridge flap for the red text models) were imported. The controllers and RF cables were also imported. But if all the consoles were assembled in India, what is your opinion on the differences in the assembly? The initial units with black text were on par with the international versions but the later ones with red text had missing shielding (both top and bottom) and possibly fewer screws on the inside too. I uploaded pics of one of the black text consoles to the first post.

The cartridge shells were entirely made in India. The plastic is of poor quality and the screws also are made of a softer metal that strips easily. The PCBs were imported though. They have the PAL chips on them.

To add to this, I have a Samurai cartridge with a legit PCB but windowed ROMs! With this startling discovery, I was of the opinion that the pirate carts were not made by a pirate outfit as claimed by Samurai. I will try to add all my observations on the various types of Samurai carts today.

For what it's worth, I have multiple game carts that are bootlegs, yet the PCBs / chips are correct. We are talking Famicom here. Konami games mostly, but I even have a Golgo 13 and a Zelda 2 with this awkward situation.

I'm definitely in the camp that some of these companies allowed piracy for the sake of brand recognition. I even spoke with a local guy once, maybe even Nintendo sold their legit PCBs in fake cart to earn let's say, 70% or 80% profit + brand recognition, despite being "bootleg".

Being a guy that started collecting games for dead systems as far back as the late 80's...I started to really HATE what the internet did to my fun little hobby. After being a grumpy old man about it for many years I've now realized cool things like this (samurai) I would have never known existed if not for the internet. So, thanks for furthering my appreciating the internet and what it has done for video game collecting

Very interesting and rich documentation, thank you very much. Unfortunately I cannot recognize all of the games' titles from your pictures. Especially those black label carts with small additional stickers on them are difficult to impossible to read. Can you list them in a comment plz?

In terms of the 3,000 units per month number, Mahesh said this was the minimum order from Nintendo, which coincides with a number I have from a certain other distributor. But who knows, maybe Nintendo wasn't as cruel as one mayt hink.

There were two companies. Samurai Electronics, which handled assembly of consoles, and Samurai Software which handled assembly of cartidges.

However. Those last two pictures are important (at 11:03 in your video), and I think they clear up the question as the whether Samurai sold pirate consoles/games. It is very clear from the first photo in the video, that the posters have the Famiclone (pictured here: on them. NOT original Samurai NES consoles.

This puts any doubt in my mind that to rest, and I can say with certainty that Samurai did indeed sell Famiclones. Did they do it with Nintendo's unofficial approval though, is a good question (like Dendy in Russia.)

"Samurai could only source from Nintendo. After 7 years Samurai sold console with one free official cartridge. Rest the grey market [ Parrallel] Market supplied. Most of samurai Distributors and Dealers started stocking and selling Pirated versions and there was no Option for us to do this"

"All Games were always from Nintendo. After about 5 Years Nintendo did allow Samurai to source directly from developers but it was too late and Original cart sale was virtually ZERO. Samurai Consoles were selling with one free cartridge but all consumers purchased extra Catrts from Grey market."

"Samurai initiated several Court cases to stop all this Piracy and misuse of Brands and it did result in stopping use of Samurai with Microgenius but Microgenius all alone was already selling very well due to very low Price and steady quality"

After 6 years in 1993 Taiwan and China introduced imitation Consoles at 25% of Samurai Price and multigame cartridges at 10% of Samurai Price resulting in steep drop in Samurai Sales . After 2 years trying to Fight China . As Mr S.K. Lal had other countries as an agent he always resisted sale of Imitation Consoles in India . No Nintendo did not cancel contract as they could understand that NES can Not sell at the price we had once China came in with Pirated Version. Due to very Poor Piracy law implementation in India at that time no one could do anything and Nintendo sales died down automatically resulting in Huge Losses to SAMURAI . Microgenius was a Taiwan Brand introduced in India by another parallel Video Game Distributor .

Thank you very much, as this 'closes' the Indian chapter of my book, since the only thing I had left to write in it was an analysis of whether Samurai were selling pirate products. No analysis needed: the answer is yes!

It is very clear from the first photo in the video, that the posters have the Famiclone on them. NOT original Samurai NES consoles.

This puts any doubt in my mind that to rest, and I can say with certainty that Samurai did indeed sell Famiclones. Did they do it with Nintendo's unofficial approval though, is a good question (like Dendy in Russia.)

By the way, isn't the existence of that Samurai micro genius ad enough proof that Samurai was selling famiclones? Or is it within the realms of possibility for pirate groups to have the audacity to put out ads for their products?

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