Stagecoach - 20392, R792 DHB

[MARTIN BRAY]

Another one negotiating the tight hair pin bend of the Maerdy Mountain Road.   Regards Martin Bray, Swansea, UK   Stagecoach Cymru... http://www.stagecoach-cymru.co.uk Welcome to Margam Depot...http://www.margam-depot.co.uk

[richard field]

I notice that the blind displays " Bridgend for Porthcawl." Does this mean that this service no longer operates to Porthcawl?? I assume that if this is so, you have to change at Bridgend and catch the First Cymru, X2 service to complete the journey??

Richard Field.

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[Carl Berry]

Or you could stay on the same vehicle (I believe) and catch Stagecoach's service 72! Welcome to the EU! (It has had to be split as otherwise it would have to be operated under the EU long distance regs - tachos, different drivers rosters, drivers need to be able to speak french etc). --- On Thu, 4/8/11, richard field <richard...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Carl Berry]

And something else in the background! --- On Thu, 4/8/11, MARTIN BRAY <martin...@btinternet.com> wrote:

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[David Beilby]

Looking at the timetable I would suggest this is working the 1245 from
Aberdare on a Sunday. This only goes as far as Bridgend. The only
other one to just go to Bridgend is the 0540 during the week - I doubt
Martin (or the sun) got up for that one!

Regards,

David Beilby

[Barrie Gilbert]

Carl is right.

In terms of Service 172, Aberdare to Porthcawl is more than 50km in
length. Therefore, drivers would be expected to adhere to EU Driving
Hours Regulations. These stipulate that a maximum of four and a half
hours can be spent behind the wheel and a 45 minute break is then
required. Under Domestic Driving Hours Regulations, the driving time
can be extended to five and a half hours and the break reduced to 30
minutes. By splitting the route into two separate services - 172,
Aberdare to Bridgend and 72, Bridgend to Porthcawl - both of which are
less than 50km in length, the Domestic Driving Hours Regulations can
be retained.

This gives the flexibility that all of Aberdare depot's drivers,
regardless of which rota they may be allocated, work to the same
Driving Hours Regulations and adhere to the same fortnightly rest
periods.

Importantly for the 172/72, a round trip between Aberdare and
Porthcawl is just over four and a half hours. If the EU Driving Hours
Regulations had to be adopted, every driver (and bus) would have to
have a minimum of a 45 minute break at Porthcawl, instead of the
current 20 minutes. This would lead to a sixth bus having to be
allocated to the service, instead of the current five.

Stagecoach has recently also split the X3 (Cardiff-Cwmbran-Pontypool-
Abergavenny) into the X3 (Cardiff-Pontypool) and X33 (Pontypool-
Abergavenny), and the X14 (Cwmbran-Newport-Chepstow-Bristol) into the
14 (Cwmbran-Chepstow) and X14 (Chepstow-Bristol) (mirroring First
Somerset & Avon) for the same reason as the split of the 172.

The only Stagecoach driving staff that I understand have to adhere to
EU Driving Hours Regulations are those based at Brynmawr on the X4
rota, those based at Brecon who cover Services 39 and T4, and the
megabus.com drivers based at Cwmbran.

[Luke]

Barrie - the 45 minute can also be split into one 30 minute and one 15 minute break (but each must be at least that amount and it can't be mixed), although this still has to be within the 4 1/2 hours. I suspect that if Stagecoach take over X63 Brecon/Coelbren to Swansea from Veolia when they go that it'll be operated from Brecon and will also then come under EU regulations. I think Veolia get away with it being domestic at the moment due to their depot being along the route, but I could be mistaken and it may actually already be under EU regs.

[Carl Berry]

The regulation dosent cover where it's operated from, just the distance between the start and finish points of the route.I believe an operator could run short routes more than 50km from their base and still run them under domestic regulations. --- On Fri, 5/8/11, Luke <ediblech...@live.co.uk> wrote:

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[Luke]

These drivers hours and tachograph rules seem rather confusing and certainly not straightforward. All I can say is that X63 is considerably longer than 50km in one direction (even when you exclude parts where you back-track along the same route) and I'm quite sure they haven't done anything with tachographs when changing drivers. Nothing in the bus industry is straightforward these days lol.

[AJ]

I think it's defined as a 50km "radius" from point of origin, not actual road mileage but "as the bird flies". Driver regulations are very confusing, I had to wait a week for the DVLA itself to find out and confirm that at age 20 I had no restrictions on distance on any type of PCV work as nobody in Swansea had a clue!

Turned out there was a recent change in legislation that lifted restrictions at age 20 on condition that the driver has an initial CPC certificate and CPC card only nobody thought to publicise it!

On 5 August 2011 15:59, Luke <ediblech...@live.co.uk> wrote:

These drivers hours and tachograph rules seem rather confusing and certainly not straightforward. All I can say is that X63 is considerably longer than 50km in one direction (even when you exclude parts where you back-track along the same route) and I'm quite sure they haven't done anything with tachographs when changing drivers. Nothing in the bus industry is straightforward these days lol.

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[Jamie Skyrme]

you have to stay on the same vehicle , its because they have to change service number, its the same with the X3/X33 & 14/X14 , just no need for tacho see

[Martin Bray]

Err no, 50km is the length of the route along which the vehicle
travels, it does not include backtracking along the
same route, or distance spent going to and from
the depot from the start or end of the route.

http://www2.dft.gov.uk/pgr/roadsafety/drs/drivingforwork/drivershoursandtachographrules/drivershourtachographrules.pdf

On Aug 5, 4:08 pm, AJ <backif...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I think it's defined as a 50km "radius" from point of origin, not actual
> road mileage but "as the bird flies". Driver regulations are very confusing,
> I had to wait a week for the DVLA itself to find out and confirm that at age
> 20 I had no restrictions on distance on any type of PCV work as nobody in
> Swansea had a clue!
>
> Turned out there was a recent change in legislation that lifted restrictions
> at age 20 on condition that the driver has an initial CPC certificate and
> CPC card only nobody thought to publicise it!
>

> On 5 August 2011 15:59, Luke <ediblechickenw...@live.co.uk> wrote:
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>
>
> > These drivers hours and tachograph rules seem rather confusing and
> > certainly not straightforward. All I can say is that X63 is considerably
> > longer than 50km in one direction (even when you exclude parts where you
> > back-track along the same route) and I'm quite sure they haven't done
> > anything with tachographs when changing drivers. Nothing in the bus industry
> > is straightforward these days lol.
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