a note regarding Tuesday gatherings
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Mikey Mike
Feb 14, 2012, 10:05:50 PM2/14/12
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Just mentioning that there is some discussion on the Facebook group about the Tuesday gathering.
Prompted largely by frustration at randoms, and the lack of a concerted or generally understood response. Sometimes people are ok, more often than not the ones I'd class as "randoms" are likely to be drunk and disrespectful of boundaries such as whose gear is whose and whether or not anyone wants to talk to them.
It is a lot easier to deal with, when there is a group all individually being affected, if there is a known group attitude or response. Otherwise each individual ends up having to face whoever it is "alone" as the visitors work their way around the place trying to bum toys off people, or whatever. But if we had a general group statement of "go away" to people I think that might help.
Em has offered to talk to WCC about maybe the security guys starting to poke their head in occasionally again, which I think could be good. Haven't seen them for over a year I think. I think people need to remember it is a public place, and is covered by all the bylaws.
Maybe next week there could be a *shudder* meeting to briefly yak about shit. Maybe it could all be sorted out behind the scenes over wine.
cheers.
Mike.
Prompted largely by frustration at randoms, and the lack of a concerted or generally understood response. Sometimes people are ok, more often than not the ones I'd class as "randoms" are likely to be drunk and disrespectful of boundaries such as whose gear is whose and whether or not anyone wants to talk to them.
It is a lot easier to deal with, when there is a group all individually being affected, if there is a known group attitude or response. Otherwise each individual ends up having to face whoever it is "alone" as the visitors work their way around the place trying to bum toys off people, or whatever. But if we had a general group statement of "go away" to people I think that might help.
Em has offered to talk to WCC about maybe the security guys starting to poke their head in occasionally again, which I think could be good. Haven't seen them for over a year I think. I think people need to remember it is a public place, and is covered by all the bylaws.
Maybe next week there could be a *shudder* meeting to briefly yak about shit. Maybe it could all be sorted out behind the scenes over wine.
cheers.
Mike.
Kathryn Thesman
Feb 15, 2012, 5:52:42 AM2/15/12
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keen on that meeting idea :)
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Kitty Cat
Feb 16, 2012, 7:31:04 AM2/16/12
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second the meeting idea..
Nicola
Feb 16, 2012, 7:08:01 PM2/16/12
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Thirded.
How about next Tuesday at Fidel's?
Does anyone have the terms of our agreement with WCC? I seem to
remember there being more than one place/day we could spin? Could mix
it up a bit fro a few weeks if the druhnk randoms are regularly
turning up knowing we'll be there... (bearing in mind I've been absent
for a very long time, so I don't knwo the full story!)
On Feb 17, 1:31 am, Kitty Cat <twilights.kit...@gmail.com> wrote:
> second the meeting idea..
How about next Tuesday at Fidel's?
Does anyone have the terms of our agreement with WCC? I seem to
remember there being more than one place/day we could spin? Could mix
it up a bit fro a few weeks if the druhnk randoms are regularly
turning up knowing we'll be there... (bearing in mind I've been absent
for a very long time, so I don't knwo the full story!)
On Feb 17, 1:31 am, Kitty Cat <twilights.kit...@gmail.com> wrote:
> second the meeting idea..
Wendy
Feb 16, 2012, 7:25:47 PM2/16/12
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Yep, I'd come to a meeting.
Mikey Mike
Feb 16, 2012, 7:28:31 PM2/16/12
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regarding the agreement: I believe the text of it is on the google-group site itself. my understanding is that thursday is agreed as a rain-day alternative, and the agreement says something like 2 hours as the approved session length.
Mikey Mike
Feb 16, 2012, 7:42:54 PM2/16/12
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Fidel could be good for a tuesday though hey it's fire night! Since nobody has any fuel, maybe that's just fine.
Randoms are just that: random. Last week there was a guy who kept going on about how he used to hang out with the ferals "does that mean anything to you?" (answer: yes it means I want nothing to do with you) and called out "see you next week" when I was leaving. He had said someone had told him to come down there. There was also some obnoxious French guy at the same time who I think is a tourist and who I saw yesterday leaping out of a bar and accosting/hassling some people in the street in mistaken assumption of friendliness.
Previous week was a guest I think of someone else, or possibly just followed them there, and had an entourage of some others who were apparently either really embarassed by him or really awed.
Other times there have been street people, random drunks staggering past, just the usual flotsam. This is not a perpetual problem, but when it does occur I am only sometimes in the frame of mind for dealing with it effectively.
I am currently planning to extend my front lawn on the horizontal plane in order to make a practice space that I can easily use.
Randoms are just that: random. Last week there was a guy who kept going on about how he used to hang out with the ferals "does that mean anything to you?" (answer: yes it means I want nothing to do with you) and called out "see you next week" when I was leaving. He had said someone had told him to come down there. There was also some obnoxious French guy at the same time who I think is a tourist and who I saw yesterday leaping out of a bar and accosting/hassling some people in the street in mistaken assumption of friendliness.
Previous week was a guest I think of someone else, or possibly just followed them there, and had an entourage of some others who were apparently either really embarassed by him or really awed.
Other times there have been street people, random drunks staggering past, just the usual flotsam. This is not a perpetual problem, but when it does occur I am only sometimes in the frame of mind for dealing with it effectively.
I am currently planning to extend my front lawn on the horizontal plane in order to make a practice space that I can easily use.
Nicola
Feb 16, 2012, 8:58:39 PM2/16/12
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Yeah - I thought it was on the front page, and may have got lost with
the google groups chnages (removed fornt page text and docs).
Might be in the archive. I'll go for a hunt when I get out of this
pile of paperwork :)
On Feb 17, 1:28 pm, Mikey Mike <mio...@gmail.com> wrote:
> regarding the agreement: I believe the text of it is on the google-group
> site itself. my understanding is that thursday is agreed as a rain-day
> alternative, and the agreement says something like 2 hours as the approved
> session length.
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> On 17 February 2012 13:25, Wendy <tat...@gmail.com> wrote:
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the google groups chnages (removed fornt page text and docs).
Might be in the archive. I'll go for a hunt when I get out of this
pile of paperwork :)
On Feb 17, 1:28 pm, Mikey Mike <mio...@gmail.com> wrote:
> regarding the agreement: I believe the text of it is on the google-group
> site itself. my understanding is that thursday is agreed as a rain-day
> alternative, and the agreement says something like 2 hours as the approved
> session length.
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> On 17 February 2012 13:25, Wendy <tat...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > Yep, I'd come to a meeting.
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emma....@googlemail.com
Feb 16, 2012, 9:16:07 PM2/16/12
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We have a wet weather day as an option. I'll find our agreement and email it, i can't come tues but will be able to in a week when i'm living in the city :)
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Nicola
Feb 21, 2012, 1:07:17 AM2/21/12
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Still on for Fidel's tonight, or next week? I'm swamped, so next week
is my preference, but if you're all going there tonight I'll be there.
is my preference, but if you're all going there tonight I'll be there.
Mikey Mike
Feb 21, 2012, 1:12:54 AM2/21/12
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i don';t think anything was actually arranged in the end and i can;t be fucked to be honest.
Mikey Mike
Feb 21, 2012, 1:13:32 AM2/21/12
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tired, still got to work on the mower lighting system, and fold mah washingz
Nicola
Feb 21, 2012, 1:20:41 AM2/21/12
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Sweet. Maybe next week - will plan later when my brain is tired.
Burgers and beer now, and some tv to quiet the voices.
On Feb 21, 7:13 pm, Mikey Mike <mio...@gmail.com> wrote:
> tired, still got to work on the mower lighting system, and fold mah washingz
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Burgers and beer now, and some tv to quiet the voices.
On Feb 21, 7:13 pm, Mikey Mike <mio...@gmail.com> wrote:
> tired, still got to work on the mower lighting system, and fold mah washingz
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> On 21 February 2012 19:12, Mikey Mike <mio...@gmail.com> wrote:
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Wendy
Feb 21, 2012, 1:34:01 AM2/21/12
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I had totally forgotten tbh. Forgetful Tats is forgetful.
Mikey Mike
Feb 21, 2012, 1:57:10 AM2/21/12
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in the meantime i have reseated the speakers so the lid closes, and
got one string of lights going. productive mike is productive.
got one string of lights going. productive mike is productive.
Wendy
Feb 21, 2012, 1:58:46 AM2/21/12
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Also, if we make a time I'll stick it in my calendar so I get reminded cos I'm a bit special like that.
Kathryn Thesman
Feb 21, 2012, 2:07:35 AM2/21/12
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I think I'm gonna head to frankitts park for a bit, if this fidels business is off.. I know stephen and zach are planning on heading to fire... so I am gonna go catch up with them.
Been a while since I've been at fire... so lets see how the durnks go.
Been a while since I've been at fire... so lets see how the durnks go.
On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 7:57 PM, Mikey Mike <mio...@gmail.com> wrote:
in the meantime i have reseated the speakers so the lid closes, and
got one string of lights going. productive mike is productive.
Mikey Mike
Feb 21, 2012, 2:11:25 AM2/21/12
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i might make it down if i get the other lights sorted. can chat a bit
there anyway.
there anyway.
Mikey Mike
Feb 21, 2012, 8:07:04 PM2/21/12
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I might make myself unpopular here: I also think one of the things that needs to be discussed is what these nights are about. This is a public park, and we are using it at the gracious permission of WCC and Wellington Waterfront. My understanding was that this is for practising and learning and spinning etc, not that it is intended as a party night. I think if people want to do that then that should be done at home or some other discreet location. The last thing we want is to be kicked out of there for leaving behind rubbish, or for being a grungy group who might be suspected of violating city regs eg the liquor ban, like for example something like a big box of beer plonked down in the middle of the grass. So I think that some sort of meeting/agreement/etc is a good idea.
Informal one-on-one discussion on the ground last night was all good for agreeing on presenting a united front to outsiders (of which there are not usually a lot).
Informal one-on-one discussion on the ground last night was all good for agreeing on presenting a united front to outsiders (of which there are not usually a lot).
Firebrat
Feb 21, 2012, 10:21:34 PM2/21/12
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Way back when Jimmy ran it, the meeting used to be a beer and burning
session... it died for a while and was res-erected as a sport/
recreation group.
...but it has its roots in a box of beer in the middle of the park. I
don't drink, but I don't mind people who do and I think it is a
council matter to enforce the liquor ban.
I don't think we need to police council business, but what we need to
do is prevent anyone, particularly a bystander, getting burnt. I have
seen this happen and it is not cool.
On Feb 22, 2:07 pm, Mikey Mike <mio...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I might make myself unpopular here: I also think one of the things that
> needs to be discussed is what these nights are about. This is a public
> park, and we are using it at the gracious permission of WCC and Wellington
> Waterfront. My understanding was that this is for practising and learning
> and spinning etc, not that it is intended as a party night. I think if
> people want to do that then that should be done at home or some other
> discreet location. The last thing we want is to be kicked out of there for
> leaving behind rubbish, or for being a grungy group who might be suspected
> of violating city regs eg the liquor ban, like for example something like a
> big box of beer plonked down in the middle of the grass. So I think that
> some sort of meeting/agreement/etc is a good idea.
>
> Informal one-on-one discussion on the ground last night was all good for
> agreeing on presenting a united front to outsiders (of which there are not
> usually a lot).
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> On 21 February 2012 20:11, Mikey Mike <mio...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > i might make it down if i get the other lights sorted. can chat a bit
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session... it died for a while and was res-erected as a sport/
recreation group.
...but it has its roots in a box of beer in the middle of the park. I
don't drink, but I don't mind people who do and I think it is a
council matter to enforce the liquor ban.
I don't think we need to police council business, but what we need to
do is prevent anyone, particularly a bystander, getting burnt. I have
seen this happen and it is not cool.
On Feb 22, 2:07 pm, Mikey Mike <mio...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I might make myself unpopular here: I also think one of the things that
> needs to be discussed is what these nights are about. This is a public
> park, and we are using it at the gracious permission of WCC and Wellington
> Waterfront. My understanding was that this is for practising and learning
> and spinning etc, not that it is intended as a party night. I think if
> people want to do that then that should be done at home or some other
> discreet location. The last thing we want is to be kicked out of there for
> leaving behind rubbish, or for being a grungy group who might be suspected
> of violating city regs eg the liquor ban, like for example something like a
> big box of beer plonked down in the middle of the grass. So I think that
> some sort of meeting/agreement/etc is a good idea.
>
> Informal one-on-one discussion on the ground last night was all good for
> agreeing on presenting a united front to outsiders (of which there are not
> usually a lot).
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> On 21 February 2012 20:11, Mikey Mike <mio...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > i might make it down if i get the other lights sorted. can chat a bit
> > there anyway.
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> > On 21/02/2012, Kathryn Thesman <venefic...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > I think I'm gonna head to frankitts park for a bit, if this fidels
> > business
> > > is off.. I know stephen and zach are planning on heading to fire... so I
> > am
> > > gonna go catch up with them.
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> > > Been a while since I've been at fire... so lets see how the durnks go.
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> > > On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 7:57 PM, Mikey Mike <mio...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > >> in the meantime i have reseated the speakers so the lid closes, and
> > >> got one string of lights going. productive mike is productive.
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> > >> On 21/02/2012, Wenis mdy <tat...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> > I had totally forgotten tbh. Forgetful Tats is forgetful.
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> > > I think I'm gonna head to frankitts park for a bit, if this fidels
> > business
> > > is off.. I know stephen and zach are planning on heading to fire... so I
> > am
> > > gonna go catch up with them.
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> > > Been a while since I've been at fire... so lets see how the durnks go.
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> > > On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 7:57 PM, Mikey Mike <mio...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > >> in the meantime i have reseated the speakers so the lid closes, and
> > >> got one string of lights going. productive mike is productive.
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> > >> On 21/02/2012, Wenis mdy <tat...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> > I had totally forgotten tbh. Forgetful Tats is forgetful.
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Mikey Mike
Feb 21, 2012, 10:40:09 PM2/21/12
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ok, would that be before the liquor ban was put in place?
I have no problem with people having a drink, I do it myself. i don't see it so much as policing their business but as being less overtly inviting attention in relation to it. i think also it is also more a police matter in relation to enforcement.
as far as bystanders go, i'm more concerned they they not hang around being dicks.
I have no problem with people having a drink, I do it myself. i don't see it so much as policing their business but as being less overtly inviting attention in relation to it. i think also it is also more a police matter in relation to enforcement.
as far as bystanders go, i'm more concerned they they not hang around being dicks.
Kathryn Thesman
Feb 22, 2012, 7:24:29 PM2/22/12
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I think what you're saying is... we need to remind people to be discrete?
Nicola
Feb 27, 2012, 3:04:17 AM2/27/12
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So meet tomorrow, 7pm at Fidel's before spinning?
On Feb 23, 1:24 pm, Kathryn Thesman <venefic...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I think what you're saying is... we need to remind people to be discrete?
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> On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 4:40 PM, Mikey Mike <mio...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > ok, would that be before the liquor ban was put in place?
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> > I have no problem with people having a drink, I do it myself. i don't see
> > it so much as policing their business but as being less overtly inviting
> > attention in relation to it. i think also it is also more a police matter
> > in relation to enforcement.
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> > as far as bystanders go, i'm more concerned they they not hang around
> > being dicks.
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On Feb 23, 1:24 pm, Kathryn Thesman <venefic...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I think what you're saying is... we need to remind people to be discrete?
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> On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 4:40 PM, Mikey Mike <mio...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > ok, would that be before the liquor ban was put in place?
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> > I have no problem with people having a drink, I do it myself. i don't see
> > it so much as policing their business but as being less overtly inviting
> > attention in relation to it. i think also it is also more a police matter
> > in relation to enforcement.
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> > as far as bystanders go, i'm more concerned they they not hang around
> > being dicks.
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Mikey Mike
Feb 27, 2012, 6:15:27 AM2/27/12
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oh yep
Mikey Mike
Feb 27, 2012, 3:47:50 PM2/27/12
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I have to say: I'm not 100% certain why Fidel's is necessary rather than at the park (unless weather is an issue) though sometimes a sit-down atmosphere makes it easier to be decisive.
Also a bit of arranging things in the background as it were, ie via this mailing list which hardly anyone uses, smells a bit like "secret committee". I guess that'd be fine if it was a committee who have been regularly involved in participating and organising things like events.
It is always tricky when you have a group activity which involves people who are or have been passionate about the activity in the past but have drifted away from the situation, and who may feel that they have a kind of ownership based on historical precedence, whereas there are others who get interested and pick it up and start getting involved and who may thus feel that they have a kind of ownership based on ongoing participation and current presence. I think there is a healthy mix of these here, which all add up to a bunch of people interested in keeping it going in a positive direction.
I suggest that the easiest way to catch "most" people who might be relevant is to turn up actually at the park, maybe just a little bit earlier than usual, which means you get to discuss whatever but people don’t have to organise the extra hassle of shifting location from Cuba St to Frank Kitts in order to then have a spin. The only downside I can see is the possibility of it being treated a bit too casually and people vaguely wandering along later and expecting to be discussing things after it's done.
Well I'll just say, this is not a goddam "occupy" G.A.
Also a bit of arranging things in the background as it were, ie via this mailing list which hardly anyone uses, smells a bit like "secret committee". I guess that'd be fine if it was a committee who have been regularly involved in participating and organising things like events.
It is always tricky when you have a group activity which involves people who are or have been passionate about the activity in the past but have drifted away from the situation, and who may feel that they have a kind of ownership based on historical precedence, whereas there are others who get interested and pick it up and start getting involved and who may thus feel that they have a kind of ownership based on ongoing participation and current presence. I think there is a healthy mix of these here, which all add up to a bunch of people interested in keeping it going in a positive direction.
I suggest that the easiest way to catch "most" people who might be relevant is to turn up actually at the park, maybe just a little bit earlier than usual, which means you get to discuss whatever but people don’t have to organise the extra hassle of shifting location from Cuba St to Frank Kitts in order to then have a spin. The only downside I can see is the possibility of it being treated a bit too casually and people vaguely wandering along later and expecting to be discussing things after it's done.
Well I'll just say, this is not a goddam "occupy" G.A.
Wendy
Feb 27, 2012, 3:52:00 PM2/27/12
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Yeah you're right. I haven't been for ages and I don't have time for this meeting anyway, and it's unlikely that I'll spend much time firespinning on Tuesday nights - the vibe there is just not what I'm into any more. Thus, count me out.
Firebrat
Feb 27, 2012, 6:11:13 PM2/27/12
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Most of the conversations happen in here and the fbook group... if it
could be kept to one place only that would make life easier for me
(assuming as I do that making life easier for me is the life ambition
and fundamental purpose of the universe itself).
I just asked a question on fbook only to find it answered in here....
shrug.
I don't think the mailing list is all that exclusive, memberships are
a little hard to get to avoid the spam that used to come through but I
don't think anyone has been kicked off the list or refused access. I
think whether it is left in the group or fbook or whatever, as long as
people are free to get involved if they want then it's all good.
The function of the list/fbook/etc is so that people can spin with
other people and to give a collective voice to council so we can gain
permission and be granted access to the park. It has also been a
source for people to contact fire artists for gigs... which is cool
too.
All the above is just my opinion- but I'm not going to add an "it is
my opinion" or "I feel that" disclaimer to everything I write....
shrug.
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could be kept to one place only that would make life easier for me
(assuming as I do that making life easier for me is the life ambition
and fundamental purpose of the universe itself).
I just asked a question on fbook only to find it answered in here....
shrug.
I don't think the mailing list is all that exclusive, memberships are
a little hard to get to avoid the spam that used to come through but I
don't think anyone has been kicked off the list or refused access. I
think whether it is left in the group or fbook or whatever, as long as
people are free to get involved if they want then it's all good.
The function of the list/fbook/etc is so that people can spin with
other people and to give a collective voice to council so we can gain
permission and be granted access to the park. It has also been a
source for people to contact fire artists for gigs... which is cool
too.
All the above is just my opinion- but I'm not going to add an "it is
my opinion" or "I feel that" disclaimer to everything I write....
shrug.
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Mikey Mike
Feb 27, 2012, 8:00:56 PM2/27/12
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yeah i'm not too keen on FB during working hours any more. but i can get away with mail...
re groups, many of the people who were on the email list "a year or two ago" *might* be on the fb group also, but anyone coming along since then would most likely only be on the fb group.
i think the fb group is great for events and stuff. it's a bit public in some ways but so is this.
i'm also really busy lately and CBF with all this. i may have to be under my van tonight wirebrushing "surface" rust, may be finished early, may be busy elsewhere, may go have an unlit practice in the park down the road, may turn up at Kitts.
re groups, many of the people who were on the email list "a year or two ago" *might* be on the fb group also, but anyone coming along since then would most likely only be on the fb group.
i think the fb group is great for events and stuff. it's a bit public in some ways but so is this.
i'm also really busy lately and CBF with all this. i may have to be under my van tonight wirebrushing "surface" rust, may be finished early, may be busy elsewhere, may go have an unlit practice in the park down the road, may turn up at Kitts.
emma....@googlemail.com
Feb 27, 2012, 11:00:09 PM2/27/12
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Hi, i'm happy to help out with advise re council stuff, and i'll keep an eye as admin but otherwise i think i'm not really involved in this anymore
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Date: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 2:00:56 PM GMT+1300
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