WELLER Coat of Arms
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Richard Weller
Jul 17, 2009, 3:56:41 PM7/17/09
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It is actually incorrect to refer to a family Coat of Arms. Armorial
bearings were granted to a specific individual and even their spouse
and children would have slightly different ones. In practice, people
tend to 'adopt' a coat of arms granted to someone of the same surname,
even if they are not related. For instance, commercial firms market
arms as if they belong to anyone with the same surname as the armiger.
The Coat of Arms that will be of most interest to this group will be
the one which can be seen on the memorial in Tonbridge Church which
was mentioned in the earlier discussion about two Richards. It also
appears on hatchments in Rolvenden Church. I haven't worked out how
to upload it here, so please go to our Group's 'Home' page and click
'Files' and select 'Weller Crest.' Alternatively go to our 'sister'
Google Group "Weller Family" and scroll to discussion of topic 'WELLER
Coat of Arms' 28 March 2008. (You may need to click on 'Older' at top
right or bottom right of the topics shown initially.) That discussion
also shows other crests and arms for WELLER.
On 3 May 1672 Sir Edward Bysshe, Clarence King of Arms, allowed the
following Arms and Crest to 'Richard Weller, Batchilor [sic] in
Divinity of Warbilton [sic] in Sussex: Sable two Chevronels between
three Roses Argent. Crest: A Greyhound's head erased Sable holding in
mouth a Rose slipped Gules, leaves Vert. Motto: Steady.'
Heraldic terms:
Argent = white;
Erased = with jagged edge;
Sable = black;
Slipped = obliquely cut;
Gules = red;
Vert = green.
It is not easy to determine how the armiger, the Rev Richard WELLER BD
of what is nowadays spelt Warbleton, connects to the family on the
Tonbridge memorial. I believe he was son of Stephen WELLER of
Cranbrook 1576-1635 and his second wife Joan RAYNOLLS. Others
maintain that he was Richard son of Stephen's brother Alexander and
his first wife Eleanor. Either way he would be the first cousin once
removed of the last named on the Tonbridge memorial, Robert WELLER.
I would like to know whether other group members have worked out which
of the four Richard WELLERs baptised at Cranbrook between 1604 and
1610 he was. Hopefully they will agree with me. If not, I would be
interested to know the evidence for their deduction!
All good wishes,
Richard
bearings were granted to a specific individual and even their spouse
and children would have slightly different ones. In practice, people
tend to 'adopt' a coat of arms granted to someone of the same surname,
even if they are not related. For instance, commercial firms market
arms as if they belong to anyone with the same surname as the armiger.
The Coat of Arms that will be of most interest to this group will be
the one which can be seen on the memorial in Tonbridge Church which
was mentioned in the earlier discussion about two Richards. It also
appears on hatchments in Rolvenden Church. I haven't worked out how
to upload it here, so please go to our Group's 'Home' page and click
'Files' and select 'Weller Crest.' Alternatively go to our 'sister'
Google Group "Weller Family" and scroll to discussion of topic 'WELLER
Coat of Arms' 28 March 2008. (You may need to click on 'Older' at top
right or bottom right of the topics shown initially.) That discussion
also shows other crests and arms for WELLER.
On 3 May 1672 Sir Edward Bysshe, Clarence King of Arms, allowed the
following Arms and Crest to 'Richard Weller, Batchilor [sic] in
Divinity of Warbilton [sic] in Sussex: Sable two Chevronels between
three Roses Argent. Crest: A Greyhound's head erased Sable holding in
mouth a Rose slipped Gules, leaves Vert. Motto: Steady.'
Heraldic terms:
Argent = white;
Erased = with jagged edge;
Sable = black;
Slipped = obliquely cut;
Gules = red;
Vert = green.
It is not easy to determine how the armiger, the Rev Richard WELLER BD
of what is nowadays spelt Warbleton, connects to the family on the
Tonbridge memorial. I believe he was son of Stephen WELLER of
Cranbrook 1576-1635 and his second wife Joan RAYNOLLS. Others
maintain that he was Richard son of Stephen's brother Alexander and
his first wife Eleanor. Either way he would be the first cousin once
removed of the last named on the Tonbridge memorial, Robert WELLER.
I would like to know whether other group members have worked out which
of the four Richard WELLERs baptised at Cranbrook between 1604 and
1610 he was. Hopefully they will agree with me. If not, I would be
interested to know the evidence for their deduction!
All good wishes,
Richard
cardbraddt
Jul 17, 2009, 9:52:32 PM7/17/09
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Hello Richard,
On Jul 17, 2009, at 12:56:41 PM, "Richard Weller" <meg...@talktalk.net> wrote:
It certainly makes sense that arms were awarded to individuals and not to families. Thanks for the clarification. With regard to the will of George Weller, I have perused the pdf of the original document paying particular attention to your red underlines. I cannot improve upon or disagree with any of your transcription. It seems that this particular scribe had his own version of the alphabet. However, I can make a case for your last redline to be transcribed as "live" as in "so long to live". Your transcription was "line".
We are currently enjoying seasonal weather of about 35C, which is normal for now. I harvested the first tomatoes from our garden today. I'm certain that they were helped by the weather. Best Regards, Brad
On Jul 17, 2009, at 12:56:41 PM, "Richard Weller" <meg...@talktalk.net> wrote:
Richard Weller
Jul 18, 2009, 4:25:06 PM7/18/09
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Hello Brad,
It seems that the message which you intended to send only to author
has been sent to all. That seems to be by default. I discovered that
the hard way on the 'Weller Family' Google Group Forum. Other members
please take note. You can find a member's email address from the list
of members.
I will open a new topic for discussion about George's will, because
other group members will not have seen it, and copy the relevant
sentences from your message.
Richard
It seems that the message which you intended to send only to author
has been sent to all. That seems to be by default. I discovered that
the hard way on the 'Weller Family' Google Group Forum. Other members
please take note. You can find a member's email address from the list
of members.
I will open a new topic for discussion about George's will, because
other group members will not have seen it, and copy the relevant
sentences from your message.
Richard
cardbraddt
Jul 18, 2009, 8:17:31 PM7/18/09
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Hello Richard,
I realized my error when my message to you showed up in my own e-mail in-box. Of course, I originally thought that I was writing to you. George certainly was an interesting person, and would be most interesting to learn the source of his wealth. Since the population was small in the 16C and travel did not seems to be the obstacle that I would imagine, it would not be unlikely that all of our Wellers knew of, or were indeed acquainted with one another.
I have been researching John Thomas with no success yet. Best Regards, Brad
On Jul 18, 2009, at 1:25:06 PM, "Richard Weller" <meg...@talktalk.net> wrote:
From: "Richard Weller" <meg...@talktalk.net> Subject: Re: WELLER Coat of Arms Date: July 18, 2009 1:25:06 PM PDT To: "Weller of Kent" <weller-...@googlegroups.com>
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