After I do a rehaul of my shitty site with new programming and etc.
Animeh...@gmail.com
http://www.speedsurf.to/lores/mooreisgreedy.html
I still hate Micheal Moore, but that rant is just plain bullshit. I
ate into many of the conservative masquerading as libertarian or news
source articles floating on the internet, and I actually sort of liked
Farenheit 9/11 after I saw it again. I still hold my poistion on him
not doing a damn thing for the poor yet he's rich and can do stuff for
them.
xxkgo...@gmail.com
USA, and in fact does also hate the NRA. Remember that interview with
Charleton Heston? Dispite not saying anything stupid, Moore left
following the movie trying to make him look like an imcompassionate
monster. Or how about the scene in F 9/11 where it shows Bahgdad all
peaceful during Saddam's reign? Hell no it wasn't like that. Moore is
a pathological liar. Especially when it comes to guns. I remember
seeing footage on a Penn and Teller: Bullshit episode showing Moore
saying if you ban handguns it will reduce violence. I mean what the
fuck?
Psycho Dave
>
> Actually what you put there isn't far off.
> Michael Moore does hate the USA,
>
How the fuck do you reach that conclusion? I was under the impression
that, like me, Moore loves the USA and the constitution, but hates what
Conservative, paranoid, butt-fucking, asshole, Nazi, Sphincter
fuck-tards have been trying to do to the country and the constitution.
If Moore hates the USA, then you should conclude from the same logic
that:
(1) Richard Nixon So loved the USA and constitution, that he broke into
the Watergate hotel to prevent his democratic rivals from having a fair
chance at winning elections.
(2) George W. Bush loves America and the constitution so much that he
passed laws that seriously limit the constitutional rights of citizens
under certain circumstances (if you are accused of being connected to
terrorism, you essentially get arrested and interrogated without due
process).
(3) George W. Bush loves America and the Constitution so much that he
had to allow torture to be used again, after a 75 year moratorium. Yeah
-- torture is how you show Americans how much you love them -- by
hurting non-Americans...
>
> and in fact does also hate the NRA.
>
Then why does he continue to be a member?
>
> Remember that interview with Charleton Heston?
> Dispite not saying anything stupid, Moore left
> following the movie trying to make him look
> like an imcompassionate monster.
>
You must have seen a different movie. I saw a dumbassed old codger
pretty much make an ass of himself by blaming the high levels of
violence on "racial mixing". Only a dipshit who still lived in the
1950's would think that way.
>
> Or how about the scene in F 9/11 where it shows Bahgdad all
> peaceful during Saddam's reign? Hell no it wasn't like that.
>
Why don't you show us the video of what it WAS like then? What -- was
Saddam gassing massive amounts of people in the streets of bagdad and
having public executions of babies on the morning just before the US
air raids? PLease show us the videos that peove that Moore was making
up phoney footage.
>
> Moore is a pathological liar. Especially when it comes to
> guns. I remember seeing footage on a Penn and Teller:
> Bullshit episode showing Moore saying if you ban handguns
> it will reduce violence. I mean what the fuck?
>
Wrong! He said you will reduce the amount of handgun murders. I saw the
same fucking show, and taped it.
are you sure you're not Anti-Marxist Fanboy?
xxkgo...@gmail.com
that, like me, Moore loves the USA and the constitution, but hates what
Conservative, paranoid, butt-fucking, asshole, Nazi, Sphincter
fuck-tards have been trying to do to the country and the constitution.
I was under the impression that anyone who complains non stop about a
country and claims one near it is so much better means he hates the
country he's complaining about. Furthermore, all that stuff about
Canada reeks of bullshit. Many sources say the scene in Bowling for
Columbine where he buys ammo from a Canadian Walmart was staged, since
you need a license to buy ammo. And not all poor areas in Canada look
as nice as that district he showed. Prove me wrong.
>(1) Richard Nixon So loved the USA and constitution, that he broke into
the Watergate hotel to prevent his democratic rivals from having a fair
chance at winning elections.
No I didn't say that at all. Still, how did Nixon hate the USA?
>(2) George W. Bush loves America and the constitution so much that he
passed laws that seriously limit the constitutional rights of citizens
under certain circumstances (if you are accused of being connected to
terrorism, you essentially get arrested and interrogated without due
process).
The Patroit Act doesn't limit civil liberties cept ones for terrorist.
Everyone from Maddox to Jim Walker to I-mockery even won't say
something as stupid as that and they all hate the Patroit Act. Don't
you want terrorist detained on site?
>(3) George W. Bush loves America and the Constitution so much that he
had to allow torture to be used again, after a 75 year moratorium. Yeah
-- torture is how you show Americans how much you love them -- by
hurting non-Americans...
Give me some sources, I mean accurate sources showing he mandates
torture.
>You must have seen a different movie. I saw a dumbassed old codger
pretty much make an ass of himself by blaming the high levels of
violence on "racial mixing". Only a dipshit who still lived in the
1950's would think that way.
He said ethnicities, not racial mixing. When Moore asked him did you
mean race, he said no cause thats the whole civil rights issue. Please
explain how they connect. I don't see any sources saying Heston is a
racist.
>Why don't you show us the video of what it WAS like then? What -- was
Saddam gassing massive amounts of people in the streets of bagdad and
having public executions of babies on the morning just before the US
air raids? PLease show us the videos that peove that Moore was making
up phoney footage.
I think I'll quote you:
>>(2) Saddam Hussein -- Hussein came to power about the time Reagan did, and wasted no time striking an alliance. Hussein offered to go to war with Iran (at the same time arms were being sent to Iran to pay for hostages) in exchange for American technology. When Hussein gassed the Kurds using poison gasses and shells that were developed with American technology, and the world condemned him for it, The white house refused to condemn him. Reagan spent the next 10 years helping Saddam and building him up. It was Reagan's support for Saddam that made Saddam the monster that he became. If it were not for Reagan, Saddam may have been overthrown by his own people back in the 80's, never being the problem for us that he became.
So now you're taking Saddam's side when he's is againist someone you
hate?
>Wrong! He said you will reduce the amount of handgun murders. I saw the
same fucking show, and taped it.
are you sure you're not Anti-Marxist Fanboy?
Can you deny that's a stupid claim, and that Penn and Teller (real
documentarist) have proven MIchael Moore is an idiot? I mean just
watch Penn's interview on Michael Moore hates America.
Psycho Dave
> I was under the impression that anyone who complains non stop about a
> country and claims one near it is so much better means he hates the
> country he's complaining about.
So you admit that you have a problem comprehending the English
Language.
If you actually saw the movie, instead of having it filtered through
the eyes and
ears of neocon retards with their anti-Moore websites, you would have
realized
that in Bowling for Columbine, Moore never said that Canada was "better
than the USA".
He only pointed out that they are not as FEAR-DRIVEN as our society is,
and that
despite having the same amount of firearms per capita, (not total, but
per capita,
which so many right-wing RETARDS don't seem understand), they have only
a
fraction of gun deaths per year. Does that sound like he's sayign
"They're better than
we are"? No. It's simply pointing out facts.
> Furthermore, all that stuff about
> Canada reeks of bullshit. Many sources say the scene in Bowling for
> Columbine where he buys ammo from a Canadian Walmart was staged, since
> you need a license to buy ammo. And not all poor areas in Canada look
> as nice as that district he showed. Prove me wrong.
So fucking what? That's the thing that really makes me laugh at the
conservative FUCK-TARDS that obsess over Moore's films. They bitch
about things that were not said or not shown. It's a fucking 90-minute
film,
you jerk-off! Why don't we show him taking a shit and shaving -- You'd
like
that, wouldn't you?
>
> No I didn't say that at all. Still, how did Nixon hate the USA?
>
Well, let's see... He promised that if Elected, he'd end the Vietnam
war.
At the same time he was promising voters he'd end the war, He had Henry
Kissinger making plans to escalate the war. After he was elected, he
immediately began bombing Cambodia, Laos, and Thailand, prolonging the
war,
and making more American citizens DIE for no good reason. He didn't
care enough about
the people who voted him into office to actually keep that promise he
made to them.
Then he had this thing about Jewish Americans. He hated Jews. He tried
to prevent
Jews from being elected into public office. He was convinced that
anyone who was Jewish
was a potential COmmunist spy -- except Henry Kissinger, of course, and
he jokes about
that shit on the watergate tapes!
He hated anti-war protestors, and was worse than Reagan and Bush when
it came to
dealling with his critics. He actually had National Guard troops with
guns meet protestors, and
in several incidents, STUDENTS WERE SHOT AND KILLED FOR JUST STANDING
THERE.
He hated Democracy, because Watergate was all about him trying to RIG
THE ELECTIONS!
He obviously hated democracy, because he was trying to undermine it and
prevent a fair and
democratic election from happening.
> The Patroit Act doesn't limit civil liberties cept ones for terrorist.
> Everyone from Maddox to Jim Walker to I-mockery even won't say
> something as stupid as that and they all hate the Patroit Act. Don't
> you want terrorist detained on site?
Jose Fucking Padilla, asshole. He was arrested for SUSPICION, not
charged with
any crime, not given a lawyer, not given a trial, and not treated as
well as convicted
murderers get treated. It took years of fighting in the courts for him
to get a lawyer,
and the government still will not let his lawyer see the evidence
against him, which is
part of the legal process. The patriot act allowed the FBI to grab this
guy and put
him away without a trial -- and he is an American citizen. So put that
in your pipe,
shove it up your ass, and smoke it.
And yes -- I would prefer that terrorists are arrested and put on trial
like any other person,
even if they are not US citizens, because that's how we traditionally
treat all non-citizens
who commit crimes. I don't give a shit about expediency, as long as due
process is given,
because I think the CONSTITUTION EXISTS TO BE FOLLOWED!
> Give me some sources, I mean accurate sources showing he mandates
> torture.
(1) Dick Cheney and Bush are fighting Congress right now to prevent the
exclusion
of torture from going into John McCain's bill. Haven't you been
watching the news?
(2) In August, 2002, Alberto Gonzales, who was Bush's CHIEF COUNSEL,
saying that Torture was perfecetly acceptable for enemy combatants.
http://www.americanprogress.org/site/pp.asp?c=biJRJ8OVF&b=246536
(3) IN January, 2003, the bush administration released a memo to the
legal department, REDEFINING TORTURE, and giving the President (That's
George W. Fucking Bush) authority to supercede the US ban on torture.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/01/03/politics/main664527.shtml
(4) Abu Fucking Grahib.
(5) You're a fucking moron.
>
> He said ethnicities, not racial mixing. When Moore asked him did you
> mean race, he said no cause thats the whole civil rights issue. Please
> explain how they connect. I don't see any sources saying Heston is a
> racist.
>
On the DVD, there is the complete, unedited, uncut interview with
Heston.
It's fucking unbelievable. Heston says exactly what I reported. He
spews more
potentially racist crap, but stops short of epithets, like the "n"
word. It's obvious
that the guy lives in the 50's.
> I think I'll quote you:
>
> (2) Saddam Hussein -- Hussein came to power about the time Reagan did, and
> wasted no time striking an > alliance. Hussein offered to go to war with Iran (at the
> same time arms were being sent to Iran to pay for hostages) in exchange for American
> technology. When Hussein gassed the Kurds using poison gasses and shells that
> were developed with American technology, and the world condemned him for it, The
> white house refused to condemn him. Reagan spent the next 10 years helping
> Saddam and building him up. It was Reagan's support for Saddam that made Saddam
> the monster that he became. If it were not for Reagan, Saddam may have been
> overthrown by his own people back in the 80's, never being the problem for us that he became.
>
> So now you're taking Saddam's side when he's is againist someone you hate?
>
Are you RETARDED or something? That's not what I asked. I asked you
what was Baghdad like on the morning JUST BEFORE THE 2003 US invasion!
What I wrote about was chronicling how the USA helped Saddam become the
monster he was during the regin of Reagan. That has nothing to do with
whether or not it was peacful in the streets of Baghdad on the day
before the invasion. You have to be anti-marxist fanboy. Only he could
be so disingenuous and ignorant of their evasiveness of his replies.
>
> Can you deny that's a stupid claim, and that Penn and Teller (real
> documentarist) have proven MIchael Moore is an idiot? I mean just
> watch Penn's interview on Michael Moore hates America.
>
MIchael Moore Hates America is a LAME documentary. It suffers from poor
concept, poor filmmaking, and only actually proves that Moore is rich
and avoids the filmmaker/host. Fuck -- Comedy Central's Samantha Bee
interviewed that moron on the Daily Show, and he made a total ass of
himself. The reviews of the film all say as much -- that it's a realyl
dumb attempt at a documentary.
I suppose you think "Left Behind" is the Citizen Kane of Christian
movies, huh?
xxkgo...@gmail.com
Language.
If you actually saw the movie, instead of having it filtered through
the eyes and
ears of neocon retards with their anti-Moore websites, you would have
realized
that in Bowling for Columbine, Moore never said that Canada was "better
than the USA".
He only pointed out that they are not as FEAR-DRIVEN as our society is,
and that
despite having the same amount of firearms per capita, (not total, but
per capita,
which so many right-wing RETARDS don't seem understand), they have only
a
fraction of gun deaths per year. Does that sound like he's sayign
"They're better than
we are"? No. It's simply pointing out facts.
So he isn't saying Canadians are better off than americans? I mean he
even had a scene in a bar where Canadians are watching news and saying
it's peaceful, unlike American news. Only an idiot who's never read or
seen a CBC report would say such vile crap. http://www.cbc.ca/ I mean
just check the frontpage. Furthermore, Canada only has 22 percent gun
ownership. How does that match per-capita?
>So fucking what? That's the thing that really makes me laugh at the
conservative FUCK-TARDS that obsess over Moore's films. They bitch
about things that were not said or not shown. It's a fucking 90-minute
film,
you jerk-off! Why don't we show him taking a shit and shaving -- You'd
like
that, wouldn't you?
So it's ok to stage an ammo purchase so it will look like your point is
valid? I'm bewildered at that statement.
>Well, let's see... He promised that if Elected, he'd end the Vietnam
war.
At the same time he was promising voters he'd end the war, He had Henry
Kissinger making plans to escalate the war. After he was elected, he
immediately began bombing Cambodia, Laos, and Thailand, prolonging the
war,
and making more American citizens DIE for no good reason. He didn't
care enough about
the people who voted him into office to actually keep that promise he
made to them.
I don't see how that makes him hate America. Come on, we were at war
with the entire region. Laos was harbering the Khmr Rouge for fuck's
sake. So you'd perfer we just leave the communist regimes alone there?
>Then he had this thing about Jewish Americans. He hated Jews. He tried
to prevent
Jews from being elected into public office. He was convinced that
anyone who was Jewish
was a potential COmmunist spy -- except Henry Kissinger, of course, and
he jokes about
that shit on the watergate tapes!
Can you please show me scripts or WAV files of these watergate tapes
please.
>He hated anti-war protestors, and was worse than Reagan and Bush when
it came to
dealling with his critics. He actually had National Guard troops with
guns meet protestors, and
in several incidents, STUDENTS WERE SHOT AND KILLED FOR JUST STANDING
THERE.
Oh please. It's only when those so-called peace loving hippies GOT
VIOLENT. Please show some cases were he killed inocent people. He was
no dictator.
>He hated Democracy, because Watergate was all about him trying to RIG
THE ELECTIONS!
He obviously hated democracy, because he was trying to undermine it and
prevent a fair and
democratic election from happening.
If he hated Democracy, what was the Vietnam War all about then? I
remember it being fought for the same reasons the Korean War was
fought, which in the end installed a democracy.
>Jose Fucking Padilla, asshole. He was arrested for SUSPICION, not
charged with
any crime, not given a lawyer, not given a trial, and not treated as
well as convicted
murderers get treated. It took years of fighting in the courts for him
to get a lawyer,
and the government still will not let his lawyer see the evidence
against him, which is
part of the legal process. The patriot act allowed the FBI to grab this
guy and put
him away without a trial -- and he is an American citizen. So put that
in your pipe,
shove it up your ass, and smoke it.
And yes -- I would prefer that terrorists are arrested and put on trial
like any other person,
even if they are not US citizens, because that's how we traditionally
treat all non-citizens
who commit crimes. I don't give a shit about expediency, as long as due
process is given,
because I think the CONSTITUTION EXISTS TO BE FOLLOWED!
So you side with the terrorist basically? Who cares about equailty
WHEN THEIR FUCKING TERRORIST!!!!!!!!!! Seriously, do you want these
daycare bombing, anti western assholes even seeing a lawyer? Lock them
up for all I care. Stick THAT up your ass and smoke it.
>On the DVD, there is the complete, unedited, uncut interview with
Heston.
It's fucking unbelievable. Heston says exactly what I reported. He
spews more
potentially racist crap, but stops short of epithets, like the "n"
word. It's obvious
that the guy lives in the 50's.
Consider this quote from Charleton Heston:But when I told an audience
last year that white pride is just as valid as black pride or red pride
or anyone else's pride, they called me a racist. I've worked with
brilliantly talented homosexuals all my life. But when I told an
audience that gay rights should extend no further than your rights or
my rights, I was called a homophobe. I served in World War II against
the Axis powers. But during a speech, when I drew an analogy between
singling out innocent Jews and singling out innocent gun owners, I was
called an anti-Semite. Everyone I know knows I would never raise a
closed fist against my country. But when I asked an audience to oppose
this cultural persecution, I was compared to Timothy McVeigh.
>MIchael Moore Hates America is a LAME documentary. It suffers from poor
concept, poor filmmaking, and only actually proves that Moore is rich
and avoids the filmmaker/host. Fuck -- Comedy Central's Samantha Bee
interviewed that moron on the Daily Show, and he made a total ass of
himself. The reviews of the film all say as much -- that it's a realyl
dumb attempt at a documentary.
Show the reasons why it's a lame docmentary.
Psycho Dave
>
> So he isn't saying Canadians are better off than americans? I mean he
> even had a scene in a bar where Canadians are watching news and saying
> it's peaceful, unlike American news. Only an idiot who's never read or
> seen a CBC report would say such vile crap.
>
Is it "vile crap" to simply make a valid observation?
Have you ever watched the news? Most of US news involves reports about
car accidents, violence, crime, and war. By contrast, BBS, CBC, DW, and
other international broadcasts focus on politics, relevent events, and
the world. American news inevitably focuses on celebrity, crime, and
trivialities.
It is not vile to simply point out a plain observable fact. Just making
an observation does not equate to "hating America". It is far more
accurate to say it's "critical of the news media".
>
> http://www.cbc.ca/ I mean
> just check the frontpage. Furthermore, Canada only has 22 percent gun
> ownership. How does that match per-capita?
>
Sorry, I've been through this crap already. Canadians own close to the
same percentage of guns per capita than the USA does (Excluding
illegally owned ones, of course). I did this by going to the Canadian
government's statistics page 2 years ago.
>
> So it's ok to stage an ammo purchase so it will look like your
> point is valid? I'm bewildered at that statement.
>
Prove that he faked the purchase.
>Well, let's see... He promised that if Elected, he'd end the Vietnam
>
> I don't see how that makes him hate America. Come on, we were at war
> with the entire region.
>
Not prior to Nixon. We were only at war with the North Vietnamese. Then
Nixon escalated the war to the other regions.
>
> Laos was harbering the Khmr Rouge for fuck's sake.
>
No they weren't. It was a phoney justification used by Nixon to bomb
them. Of course, he kept the bombings a secret from the rest of the
country -- even denied that there were any bombers bombing those
countries. So he hated Americans by willingly LYING TO THEM about what
was going on. When the News media and UN finalyl hit them with the
proof, they used that phoney justification, and Laos said "Uh, did
anyone ask us to send our army in to look for the Khmer Rouge?" Of
course not.
So Nixon was secretly bombing 3 countries without declaring war on
them, AND HE LIED TO US ABOUT DOING IT. Lying to the people Of the
United States about such an important issue proves that Nixon had
nothing but contempt for Americans.
>
> So you'd perfer we just leave the communist regimes alone there?
>
There were no communist regimes there until after the US Secret Bombing
campaign DESTABLIZED THEM! The Killing fields of Cambodia are a direct
result of Nixon's bombing campaign, because the bombing caused civil
unrest, civil war, and totally destabilized society to the extent that
the communist elements were able to rise up. If Nixon didn't bomb them,
they would likely have remained stable.
>
> Can you please show me scripts or WAV files of these
> watergate tapes please.
>
You bet your ass, sucker!
Here you go. You have been served!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Nixon
http://hnn.us/articles/657.html
http://www.ellsberg.net/writing/Nixon_Tapes.htm
http://www.tinyrevolution.com/mt/archives/000492.html
http://www.pbs.org/thinktank/transcript977.html
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0202/28/asb.00.html
>
> Oh please. It's only when those so-called peace loving hippies
> GOT VIOLENT. Please show some cases were he killed inocent people.
> He was no dictator.
>
Wrong, asshole. Ever hear of Kent State?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jackson_State_killings
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/May_Day_Protests_1971
> If he hated Democracy, what was the Vietnam War all about then?
> I remember it being fought for the same reasons the Korean War
> was fought, which in the end installed a democracy.
If that's what you remember, then your memory sucks big donkey dicks.
The vietnam War and The Korean war were about the US Government being
so paranoid about "leftists" and "commies" that it decided to go
ape-shit and crusade against them wherever they found them, rather than
let the people in those countries deal with their own problems
themselves. It had nothing to do with "defending democracy". It had
more to do with "keeping our own puppet dictators in power".
>
>> And yes -- I would prefer that terrorists are arrested and put on trial
>> like any other person, even if they are not US citizens, because that's
>> how we traditionally treat all non-citizens who commit crimes. I don't
>> give a shit about expediency, as long as due process is given,
>> because I think the CONSTITUTION EXISTS TO BE FOLLOWED!
>
> So you side with the terrorist basically?
>
Are you mentally retarded or something? I can't believe you can draw
that conclusion based on what I wrote above! You are essentially saying
that anyone claims that all people accused of being a terrorist should
be given the same treatment under the law as anyone else accused of any
other crime -- a fair arrest, that they be properly charged with a
crime, get a fair trial, a lawyer, due process, etc -- that it is the
same as "siding with terrorists. So basically, being in favor of
FOLLOWING THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES is the same as "siding
with terrorists".
You are seriously fucked in the head.
>
> Who cares about equailty WHEN THEIR FUCKING TERRORIST!!!!!!!!!!
>
It has not been proven in a court of law with any standards of proof
that they are a terrorist yet, you dumbass! It's merely an accusation.
When you are accused of being a rapist or a murderer, don't you think
there should be some proof presented to a court to back up that
accusation before they throw your ass in the electric chair? Do you
have any concept of the constitution of the United States at all? Are
you Mentally Retarded?
> Seriously, do you want these daycare bombing, anti western assholes
> even seeing a lawyer? Lock them up for all I care. Stick THAT up
> your ass and smoke it.
ANYONE ACCUSED OF ANY CRIME SHOULD GET A LAWYER AND A FAIR TRIAL. It
doesn't matter if YOU think they're guilty or not. Their guilt is up to
a Jury who is shown the proper evidence. That is the very basis of the
constitution of the United States, you Stupid fucking moron! And to
think they let retards like you get high school diplomas, and go on to
vote. That just makes me sick.
>
> Show the reasons why Michael Moore Hates America is a lame docmentary.
>
Here is what people are saying about this trashy piece of shit:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0411646/usercomments
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0411646/usercomments?start=10
Ra-Ra-Retard!
xxkgo...@gmail.com
so paranoid about "leftists" and "commies" that it decided to go
ape-shit and crusade against them wherever they found them, rather than
let the people in those countries deal with their own problems
themselves. It had nothing to do with "defending democracy". It had
more to do with "keeping our own puppet dictators in power".
Prove it please.
LoreAlmighty
actually it's entertaining to see these people get their ass ripped in
half. Kudos, Dave.
xxkgo...@gmail.com
Trial and Friendly Dictator trading card list. Unless he finds
creditable sources backing up us not installing democracies and having
alteriar motives, I'm convinced he's just reading those.
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/US_ThirdWorld/dictators.html
Psycho Dave
Are you a masochist or are you really that uneducated?
Here you go, dipshit:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_war
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_war
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_Incident
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_cold_war
Psycho Dave
single source at all. Next thing you know, you'll start posting totally
irrelevent links and claim that they back up your claims, or you'll
post links that totally contradict your claims, and claim they support
them.
I've been there already.
You behave a lot like Anti-Marxist Fanboy.
LoreAlmighty
can't be serious.
Maddox said himself:
# He hasn't started World War III yet.
# He manages to mutilate the English language only every other speech.
# He cut taxes on dividends, because I'll be damned if those weren't
putting me in the poor house.
-----># He made our civil liberties less cumbersome by taking away all
that long-winded drivel about having the right to report on immigration
hearings conducted by the Justice Department, the right to protection
against unreasonable search and seizure with McCarthy's, er, Ashcroft's
PATRIOT act, and the right to due process for US citizens suspected of
being terrorists.<---------
# He withdrew from the Anti-Ballistic Missile treaty. Good I say,
global stability was getting to be a pain in the ass.
xxkgo...@gmail.com
The Korean War (Korean: 한국전쟁/韓國戰爭), from June 25, 1950
to cease-fire on July 27, 1953 (technically speaking, the war has not
yet ended), was a conflict between North Korea and South Korea. Some
consider this Cold War-era conflict to have been a proxy war between
the United States and its Western democratic allies, and the Communist
powers of the People's Republic of China and the Soviet Union. The
principal combatants were North Korea, supported by People's Volunteer
Army (PVA) of Communist China, and later Soviet combat advisors,
aircraft pilots, and weapons; and South Korea, supported principally by
the United States, the United Kingdom,and the Philippines, although
many other nations sent troops under the aegis of the United Nations.
So where's the puppet dictator?
If the Cold War wasn't over protecting America's democracy, then please
tell me what it was over? I don't see how we were "crusading" as you
said, which means we attacked people unprovacked. Come on, tell me.
Psycho Dave
It's not surprising, since you can't come up with an intelligent
response to the rest of my post.
Why don't you show me how America's democracy was threatened by North
Korea.
xxkgo...@gmail.com
I'm not. You just failed the show these puppet dictators you
mentioned. To quote you:"It had more to do with keeping our puppet
dictators in power." Please, prove it.
>It's not surprising, since you can't come up with an intelligent
response to the rest of my post.
Most of your post is unfair slander of Bush and Nixon, and how Moore
doesn't hate America, he just loves it so much he critizes it.
>Why don't you show me how America's democracy was threatened by North
Korea.
I don't know...maybe it was to STOP THE SPREAD OF COMMUNISM! If you
look into the history of the Communist Party of the USA, you'll find
all kinds of dirty shit, which justify stoping South Korea from being
overun by the North Koreans. How could anyone deny us making South
Korea a great nation? It, along with Japan are stable democracies
cause of us. How can you deny that? Has their been any action we've
done to stop communism that didn't have long term positive results? If
so, cite them please.
Psycho Dave
>
> Most of your post is unfair slander of Bush and Nixon,
>
Please point out specific SLANDERS I made of Nixon and Bush. Remember
-- SLANDER means that what I said is something that isn't true. I
carefully documented incidents of antisemitism on Nixon's behalf with
transcripts of the watergate tapes (transcripts that were released and
which have been written about by many reporters). I provided links to
places where actual watergate transcripts were online. That Nixon made
antisemitic remarks, and was trying to keep Jews out of public office
is NOT open to debate. It's a matter of public record. So isn't the
fact that he FRAMED Alger Hiss by using phoney evidence, and then by
LYING about it in court. It's not debatable -- It's part of the
historical record.
So please list a few specific things that I said about Nixon and Bush
which are NOT TRUE, and which historical texts and the Wikipedia
directly contractict me on.
>
> and how Moore doesn't hate America, he just loves it so much he critizes it.
>
Is criticism of the President the same as "hating America"?
Is "social criticism" the same as "hating America"?
Is criticising the percieved mismanagement of the military or
government the same as "hating America"?
Is criticising a particular political action group the same as "Hating
America"?
If criticising the NRA is "hating America", then we must conclude that
criticising PETA is also "Hating America", for the same reason, since
technically, both groups are the same type of group -- they are both
political associations of people lobbying the government and public for
a certain cause.
>>
>>Why don't you show me how America's democracy was threatened by North
>> Korea.
>
> I don't know...maybe it was to STOP THE SPREAD OF COMMUNISM!
Communism in Asia does not threaten America. Never did, never will. In
fact, look at who has been our biggest buddy for the last 25 years --
CHINA! The communist nation of China loves American industry. American
industry loves Chinese communist labor, because they are under tight
control, and they don't have to worry about labor unions.
American industry loves China so much that they have literally moved
75% of American manufacturing jobs over to China, where Chinese
communists are taking American jobs, and those corporations are paying
no taxes or import fees -- they are raping their own country. I hate
when rich Americans screw other Americans and give good American jobs
to communists. Does that mean I hate America? Hell no! I want America
to have all of those jobs back, because we need them.
> If you look into the history of the Communist Party of the USA, you'll
> find all kinds of dirty shit, which justify stoping South Korea from being
> overun by the North Koreans. How could anyone deny us making South
> Korea a great nation?
Well, name it. Document it. Provide a link.
And we did not make South Korea a great nation. They did it on their
own
> It, along with Japan are stable democracies
> cause of us. How can you deny that?
Japan is THE ONLY nation that the USA has took over, which became a
thriving democracy because of our involvement. All other nations in the
20th century, which the USA has invaded, and taken over, have ended up
as dictatorships, and only became democracies IN SPITE OF the USA.
> Has their been any action we've
> done to stop communism that didn't have long term positive results? If
> so, cite them please.
CUBA. The USA totally failed to stop Cuba from going communist, and it
failed in successfully invading it, then it pretty much refused to
treat Cuba fairly, and we got the Cuban missile crisis, where we almost
went to t a Nuclear war with Russia. Ever since, Cuba has been unfairly
treated by the USA, because conservative assholes in our government
can't forgive and forget.
Generally speaking, the USA's foreign policy is divisive and has led to
many disfunctional relationships around the world. The Hawkish foreign
policy of the right wing made the world crappier. It was the Democratic
Doves who made more progress in our foreign policy.
xxkgo...@gmail.com
-- SLANDER means that what I said is something that isn't true. I
carefully documented incidents of antisemitism on Nixon's behalf with
transcripts of the watergate tapes (transcripts that were released and
which have been written about by many reporters). I provided links to
places where actual watergate transcripts were online. That Nixon made
antisemitic remarks, and was trying to keep Jews out of public office
is NOT open to debate. It's a matter of public record. So isn't the
fact that he FRAMED Alger Hiss by using phoney evidence, and then by
LYING about it in court. It's not debatable -- It's part of the
historical record.
Obviously it is debateable, since the speeches don't seem to be online,
just transcripts from news sources (most likely anti Nixon) I mean,
you accept Michael Moore's conspiracy theories on Bush, so how isn't it
slander. Can you deny Moore just says conspiracy theories?
>Is "social criticism" the same as "hating America"?
Yeah the Southern States did that, and it lead to the Civil War.
>Communism in Asia does not threaten America. Never did, never will. In
fact, look at who has been our biggest buddy for the last 25 years --
CHINA! The communist nation of China loves American industry. American
industry loves Chinese communist labor, because they are under tight
control, and they don't have to worry about labor unions.
Uh, didn't we fight the chinese in the Korean War? And in Vietnam?
They supported the communist in those!! It wasn't till the 1990s when
he became allies, and not on friendly terms ethier.
>And we did not make South Korea a great nation. They did it on their
own
Please prove it.
>Japan is THE ONLY nation that the USA has took over, which became a
thriving democracy because of our involvement. All other nations in the
20th century, which the USA has invaded, and taken over, have ended up
as dictatorships, and only became democracies IN SPITE OF the USA.
What about Grenada? The US was seen as freedom fighters there.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasion_of_Grenada
Read about it yourself.
Again, you haven't proven how we didn't help South Korea. If he made
it worse or undemocratic, then prove it please.
>CUBA. The USA totally failed to stop Cuba from going communist, and it
failed in successfully invading it, then it pretty much refused to
treat Cuba fairly, and we got the Cuban missile crisis, where we almost
went to t a Nuclear war with Russia. Ever since, Cuba has been unfairly
treated by the USA, because conservative assholes in our government
can't forgive and forget.
So the fact that Castro tried to do assasination attempts against
forgein leaders, Castro dumping his trash in Florida in the 80s, and
his continual oppression of his people.
>Generally speaking, the USA's foreign policy is divisive and has led to
many disfunctional relationships around the world. The Hawkish foreign
policy of the right wing made the world crappier. It was the Democratic
Doves who made more progress in our foreign policy.
Please prove how we've made the world crappier and not spread democracy
you anti american pig!!!!!
Psycho Dave
you provided did not support your contention, as usual. You have no
intention of having a real argukent -- just in continuing a
contradiction game like the monty Python sketch.
xxkgo...@gmail.com
Read that idiot. The Stalinist took power in a coup, and the
grenadians welcomed the US.
You still haven't proven me wrong on us helping South Korea and
establishing a democracy. You still haven't shown me wav files of the
Nixon tapes. You still haven't proven how Cuba is being treated
unfairly.
Asshole.
Psycho Dave
already. Besides -- you have proven NOTHING. The BRITISH established
democracy on Grenada. They had democracy PRIOR to the US invasion. All
the USA did was stop a one-time coup from happening, and after it was
over, it was back to their original form of government. After, of
course, we had them vote only for US-approved candidates -- they've got
to be protected, all their rights respected, till some-bo-dy we LIKE
can be elected!
xxkgo...@gmail.com
didn't establish a democracy.
http://www.factmonster.com/ipka/A0769989.html
# The Korean War was the first armed conflict in the global struggle
between democracy and communism, called the "cold war."
# Gen. Douglas MacArthur was designated commander of the unified U.N.
forces, but was later replaced after publicly criticizing U.S. policy
and threatening the Chinese with massive retaliation.
# North Korea moved south quickly at first and captured the South
Korean capital Seoul.
# U.N forces pushed them back towards North Korea and eventually the
boarder with China. Communist China lent their support to the North
Koreans and their effort regained control of Seoul.
# Heavy fighting raged at the 38th parallel, which became the post-war
border between the two countries.
# After the 1953 truce at Panmunjom, North Korea, North and South Korea
remained separate, as before the war.
http://www.koreasociety.org/MAIN/KWarConferenceRpt/KW_Abstracts7.htm
Quote from one solider:
Now a new menace to peace and democracy had emerged in the form of
aggressive communism. Russia, always viewed with suspicion during the
"big war," had revealed its true colors and was sponsoring
aggression in the Far East. It was our turn to fight. Neither I, nor my
mates, questioned the efficacy of the war. We were defending against
monolithic, Godless communism while a budding democracy in South Korea
took root.
http://www.ustrek.org/odyssey/semester2/030301/030301beckykorean.html
When the North Korean Army poured over the parallel in 1950 to gain
control of the south, the two Koreas went to war. President Truman and
the United States government felt that this was a Soviet-backed attack
on democracy.
As for Grenada:
The island was a province of the short-lived West Indies Federation
from 1958 to 1962. Independence was granted in 1974 under the
leadership of Eric Gairy. Gairy's government became increasingly
authoritarian, prompting a coup d'état in 1979 by the charismatic and
popular left-wing leader Maurice Bishop. Bishop's failure to allow
elections, coupled with his socialism and cooperation with Communist
Cuba did not sit well with the country's neighbours including Trinidad
and Tobago, Barbados, Dominica and the United States. A power struggle
between Bishop and a Stalinist sect within the ruling New Jewel
Movement loyal to the Moscow agent Bernard Coard led to Bishop's house
arrest and later execution on October 19, 1983 under disputed
circumstances.
You claim he overthrew a dictatorship and became democratic, but it
says he failed to allow elections and didn't go to the measures of
persicuting Stalinist. Nice guy isn't he?
Haha, what else you going to pull out of your ass?
Psycho Dave
argument style -- Argue against things that your opponent never
actualyl said.
(1) You argue that the Korean war was about a dictator -- I necver said
that. I said the Cold war mostly involved the US invading banana
republics and placing dictators in charge.
(2) I specifically said that South Korea was a democracy BEFORE the
Korean war, and that the USA had NOTHING TO DO with it becoming
democratic. They did it on their own. Their success had little to do
with US guidance, and a lot more to do with world trade.
(3) I never claimed what you say I claimed about Grenada.
If you're going to argue against things I said, quote me directly. You
have the ability to cut and paste. I suggest you use it.
LoreAlmighty
After the war, the autocratic government of Syngman Rhee was thrown out
of power by student uprising and a brief period of civil rule was
established in 1960. However, a military coup led by general Park
Chung-hee, in the next year the nation turned into a dictatorship that
lasted 18 years, during which period it achieved rapid economic growth.
Park was assassinated in 1979, and general Chun Doo-hwan seized power
with another coup. Massive student demonstrations in the spring of 1980
resulted in a military crackdown and the Gwangju Massacre. Civil unrest
forced the end of military rule, and progressively democratic reforms
continued under the presidencies of Roh Tae-woo, Kim Young-sam, and Kim
Dae-jung.
LoreAlmighty
an idiot for saying that.
xxkgo...@gmail.com
Here ya go suckers!
Psycho Dave
bunch of lies. IN every last case, including the idiotic web page you
gave, these morons apparently lack Media comprehension skills, as they
complain about WHAT THEY THOUGHT Bowling for Columbine was saying, as
opposed to what it actually said.
They always point to the cartoon, and claim that the segment which
mentions how the KKK and the NRA formed in the same year, and the first
gun law was one forbidding blacks to own guns (facts which are never
called into question) "tries to say that the KKK and NRA were in
cahoots with one another".
Of course, that's not what the cartoon says or implies -- it's what
dimwitted conservatives with attention deficit disorder and dyslexia
think it said, because they lack English comprehension.
Then they'll complain about what Bowling DOESN'T say, by saying that
Moore lied when he cut Charlton Heston's interview down to 5 minutes,
or cut his speech down to a few seconds, completely ignoring that
despite what Heston said before and after the segments used does not
change the context of what he said at all.
But why do conservative fuckwads always have to change the subject when
they are proven to be totally wrong?
xxkgo...@gmail.com
jr. in his rally?
Can you disprove that the movie did make the connection that the NRA
and KKK are buds?
Can you disprove the fact the movie claims the US has done many evils?
Can you disprove moores yammering on how the us media is to blame for
violence, not polverty?
Psycho Dave
online, including the extended interview with Heston.
And what is "polverty", anyway? Is it an olympic sport, or are you just
a dumbass?
xxkgo...@gmail.com
King Jr in his rallies wasn't he? That kind of disproves this notion
that he's racist.