#11 -Awakening the Guru Principle

[Sophia Joseph]

July 24, 1983 (Lodge Hill, England)
Guru Puja


Today we all have gathered here to do the Guru Puja.  Your Guru is a Mother first, and then a Guru; And that has given me a greater help. We have had before also many Guru Pujas, mostly in England, and you should wonder why Mother always somehow is doing Guru Puja in London.

The time falls in such a way that it is in Guru Puja, I'm here.  During that time, I have to be in London.  So many years you have been doing Guru Puja in England.  All things happen if according to Ritambhara Pragnya, then there must be some reason why Mother is here, in England for a Guru Puja.

It is stated in the Puranas that the Adi Guru Dattatreya worshiped Mother along the banks of the River Tamasa.  Tamasa is the same as your Thames.  And He himself came and worshiped here.  And the Druids, those who had the manifestation of the Stonehenge and all that, are originated from that time, in this great country of Shiva, or the Spirit.

So the Spirit resides here, as in the heart of human beings, and the Sahasrara is in the Himalayas, where Sadashiva exists at the Kailasha.  This is the great secret of we having so many Guru Pujas here.  To culminate it today into this special type of Guru Puja, in the year of the 60th Birthday of your Mother, which has a special, very very special significance, because is the Guru Sashthi, is the sixty years of your Guru has been celebrated today; and that's how it's a very big occasion that you all have gathered under the influence of again Ritambhara Pragnya.

So all that has happened, has happened by the Nature's own gift to you, and everything has worked out so well because that was the Desire of the Divine, and the Design of the Divine.

So the River Thames, which we call Her as Thames, you see, English have a method of making everything English.  Like Bombay they made it... Mumbai was Bombay, you see, like Calcutta, like all other words like that; like Varanasi was made into Benaras; River Thames which was really 'Tamasa' was called as 'Thames'.  Now from the name Tamasa one should know that is a place of Tamo Guna.  Is a place where left-sided resided, since long.

So people were very worshipful, left-sided people, emotional type, and they worshiped God more than that they went into Yagnyas, and all that.  And Dattatreya lived here, and meditated, on the banks of river Thames; that's why Guru Puja here has to give us the great background for your awakening of the Guru principle.

We have to go to the roots of everything so that we understand the importance of it.  Unless and until you know the roots and the traditions behind, you can not understand the depth, the gravity, the intensity of any Puja.  Today we have gathered here to do the Guru Puja.  Again, the reason is, we have got a Guru Principle within ourselves as I told you last time, and also I've given elaborately, ten commandments as expressed within us, which are describing the different types of essences within us.  The essence of Guru Puja has to be awakened within us, that's how we are having this program here.

Now it is important that we have to establish the Dharma within us.  Without the Dharma you cannot have the ascent.  And as I've told you before, that the cleanliness of your being depends on how much Dharma you follow, religiously.

At the time of Moses it was worked out, and all the rules and regulations were created for realized souls.  But as I read in one of the books -is very good, because if I had said this, people would not have believed -that it had to be changed. ( I think during the speech the children should not be here.  It's better to take them out, after the speech you can bring them along.  Those who are quiet is alright, but those who are making noises better to go.  If they are going to make noises better to be out or near the door, so that if they make noises you can get out, so there is no disturbances.  During the Puja is alright, you could be at the gate-way door or someplace from where you can go.)

So the laws and regulations that were given to human beings were actually for the realized souls who would understand.  But when Moses must have discovered the way human beings are, he must have changed them, to very strict rules, because with human beings, as they are, one has to be extremely strict.  They can't understand anything but fear.  If you have a stick in your hand, you can put them right.  Without that stick human beings won't listen.  They are only alright if there's a fear.  Now if you see today the condition of all the Nations, those who are having leaders or prime-ministers or presidents, they are all people extremely strict, very dominating, and very dry -and normally people like such people.  Even Hitler succeeded because of that nature.

So the character of a Guru, so far, has been of a very strict nature for people who are not realized.  Normally a Guru doesn't -a good Guru, Sat Guru -he doesn't like to talk to people much; they throw stones, or they don't like to talk to people who are not realized.  But if they are realized, then these Gurus change their attitude towards the people who want to see them.  There's a tremendous difference between a person who is a realized and non-realized in the protocol of God.  The man may be the king or anything, he'll be asked to sit outside.  It has nothing to do with what position you enjoy; as long as he's a realized soul and not possessed, he is given the highest position.  But if you're possessed, then also the Guru will tell him that you get out from here, first get rid of your possession and then come.

And all these strict rules were there; that such and such person must be killed, such and such person must be given a punishment of cutting the hands, cutting the feet, even, even absolutely destroying the eyes !

This was done because they were not realized souls.  It was a great realization of Moses I think, that he took to the another kind of law which is known as "Shariat" now -and that's what the Muslims are following.  In a way it's good I think, because people who are now normal people really deserve such a rule; but it should not be so fanatical that you can not discriminate between a realized soul and a non-realized soul.

Now, the Guru within you, will be awakened if you are strict with yourself, That's one point is very important.  Unless and until you are strict with yourself the Guru will not be awakened within you.  People who are lazy lumps, who can not sacrifice anything, who are very fond of comfort, can never be Gurus.  Take it from me.  They can be good administrators, they can be anything, but never a Guru.

A Guru should be willing to live the way he has to live.  He should be able to sleep on stones, he should be able to sleep under any circumstances -not that the disciples should force on him, but it should be his own nature that he can adjust himself.  Comfort can not fall on a Guru.  Now those who want your Guru principle to he awakened must know that you should not ask for comfort.  Even for a thing like that, yesterday you saw the dancing, one has to do real tapasya.  Intensive tapasya you have to do.  You can not learn even a thing like dancing without going into a penance about it.

So a Guru has to go through a penance is an important thing.  Sahaja Yogi need not go.  But a Guru Sahaja Yogi has to do it. You have to have penances, and the penances can be : Any kind of desire you have; say, supposing you are very fond of food.  Just don't eat the food that you want to eat.  If you are very fond of sweet food, then eat something very bitter raised to power hundred and eight.  And if you are fond of some sort of a very -as Indians are sometimes, very spicy food - then eat so bland a food without salt.  Teach your tongue to behave itself. It doesn't behove a Guru to put his attention to food.  I have seen some of the Sahaja Yogis, they are alright when the food is there, quite concentrated, but when it comes to the program they have no concentration.  It's a sad thing.  Such people can not be Gurus.  They can be cooks, good cooks, or could be food tasters, or something like that will suit them better.  But if they have to be Gurus they must learn to control their tongue and their desire.  I mean fasting is a good thing for such people, fasting is very good.  All the time if they are worried "What are we going to have for lunch ? What are we going to have for dinner ?" Such people can not have their Guru Principle awakened, neither they can be Gurus.  So please be careful.  The Guru must have control over the tongue.  He must know when to get angry and when to be gentle.  He must know what to say, when.  How much to say.  That's why many Gurus have been more effective by not speaking.  Silence is the best way you can help others.  But when it comes to explaining Sahaja Yoga, you should speak. But I have seen, with some people they are very eloquent when it comes to nonsensical things.  But when it comes to Sahaja Yoga, they don't know anything about Sahaja Yoga. So you have to be the master of Sahaja Yoga if you have to be a Guru.

Not only in talking but in your behavior, in everything.  And the Karamat is the -I don't know if you use charismatic word, 'charismatic' they call it, or you say, the one -- how to do it.  How to raise the Kundalini. How to put it at the Sahasrara, how to break the Sahasrara.  All these things you must know, how to spend your knowledge is 'Viniyoga'  in Sanskrit.

Guru principle is awakened in a person when he himself has achieved something. Imagine a half-baked Guru going along talking -"he's a Guru".  He'll end up as a disciple, ultimately.  So you have to be master of your own.  But when the Guru principle comes in, you have to give it to others.  It's a question of giving it to others.  So you have to be at a higher level to give to others. Have to be at a very higher level. If you're attached to money, if you are attached to food, if you're attached to mundane things of life, you cannot give.

Now the higher state than that can be achieved which is naturally in Me, but can be achieved: is that you don't have to have any dependence like that, that any rules and regulations.  Like saying that I will have no worry about food, I should fast, this, that. It all ends up when "you eat, but don't eat". That's the state one should have, that you have eaten the food, and if you're asked. "Did you have your lunch?" "Don't know." "Will you have your lunch?" "Don't know".  Absolutely indifferent to the problems of the body.  Where did you sleep ? "I don't know"; "What did you eat?  What will you have?"  "I don't know".

This kind of a state is called Ateeta state where you go beyond.  And whatever you do, you are doing it because it is to be done, without paying any attention to it, is automatic.  Nothing is important.  But this is before becoming Ateeta: you have to tell yourself, "Nothing is important," you see, is an 'avirbhava', as they call, it is kind of a drama you have to put in.  "Oh nothing is important. This carpet is not important.  I should try to sleep on the cement." First you have to do that.  But after sometime it happens that you don't remember whether you slept on the cement or on a cot.  "Where did I sleep ? I don't know." That is the Ateeta state.  And that state is to be achieved now by many Sahaja Yogis, in a state where you go beyond.

Say there is somebody who is before you with whom you have to get angry .  Alright you give him a left, right, left, right, nicely, and then you're smiling next moment.  Did you get angry with that person ? "I don't know.  Did I?" Like Buddha once said something in one village and there was a horrible fellow who got up and said lots of things to Him.  And when He went to the next village the fellow felt that, "Oh I should not have done that" -left Vishuddhi perhaps!  So he went down and said.' "I'm sorry Sir, I've said so and I should not have said it, I didn't know.  You are the enlightened one, so it happened, so forgive me." He said, "When? When did you say?" He said, "In the last village." "Oh, everything in the last village I've left there alone, I don't remember."

That is the Ateeta state you have to get. So even not to feel it is not important.  These identifications when they drop out, completely, then you are doing things in Akarma state where like Sun is shining He doesn't know it is shining.  When the vibrations are flowing, you don't know it is flowing.  Already it has started working in you.  You are surprised, you raise the hands and the Kundalini is rising, you don't know you are raising the Kundalini actually.  How do you raise it?  You don't know.  That's it.  That state has already started -Ateeta -in you, but get it established in every walk of life, everything -that you go beyond.  And if you can manage that, that's the highest that you have to reach.

Now with the Incarnations is very different, is the other way round.  Everything is the other way round.  They don't have to do any tapasya, they don't have to starve, they don't have to tell themselves.  Whatever they do is the Punya.  They don't have to collect Punyas either.  If they kill somebody, it is Dharma. If they hit somebody, it is the Dharma.  Nothing they do wrong.  They are absolutely immaculate.  If they deceive someone, they cheat someone, it's perfectly alright.  Because for a higher goal you have to give up these smaller goals.  Is justified in our day to day life, you'll see, that when you are defending your country, there's an enemy on you, if you have to defend your country, you can slay him.  You can cheat him.  Diplomatically you can befool him.  Is allowed.  Why? Because for a higher goal you have to give up the smaller goal.  But for an Incarnation it is always the higher goal. Is not bothered about smaller goals at all.  He doesn't have to weigh things, rationalize, or to train himself, or do some drama or anything.  It's all done.  Even the movement, every moment, every movement of an Incarnation has a ripple in it, which is for the good.  There's nothing, not even a movement is such which is not for the good of the world.  So the Incarnation is a very different thing that is not to be achieved, that has to be.  Now for example the Incarnation is the "Bhogata" is the enjoyer, He's the enjoyer of everything.

Many people, say, have created -now we have a carpet here from Turkey.  These carpets were created by Turkish people some time back for an Incarnation to sit.  So the Ritambhara Pragnya will bring it round in such a way that at least I see it, or I have it.  So that their souls will be blessed, so that they feel nice. Like Michael Angelo has made that, not for popes, I can tell you.  And not for all the rubbish people who go there.  Neither Blake did all that work for the useless people who went to go and see nude artists.  It was all done for the Incarnation to see? That's the way they are blessed the most.  Because they are  beyond.  Nothing touches them.  Nothing is important.  But it is not rational or anything that they have trained themselves.  But it is automatically like that.  Like Shri Krishna had to marry sixteen thousand women.  Can you imagine! In those days of monogamy He would be prosecuted hundred times.  The reason was: He has sixteen thousand powers and He was to be born with those sixteen thousand powers on this earth.  And five elements became His Queens.  He had to do some justification to have them around, -and as I have now Sahaja Yogis whom I've given Realization, so automatically I'm your Mother, is established -but for Him there was no way out but to marry his sixteen thousand powers, and so He married; but He was never married, He was a bachelor out and out, all I his life.  Because He is Yogeshwara, and He is a Brahmachari; who can marry Him ?

So for them, all these worldly things are just a drama, has no  meaning at all. Is just a drama.  A person who is not an Incarnation should not try to be.  That's not the right of a human being.  Like a policeman standing on the road, if he puts his hands right, left, you follow it, but you ask some mad man to go and stand there, he'll be arrested.

So for normal people, even you are a Guru, you shouldn't allow them to touch your feet. Only an Incarnation's feet must be touched, and nobody elses feet must be touched. Of course in Samayachar like us we have in India the custom to touch the feet of the father, but because the father is a representative of the Father in you, that's why, or the mother.  But that's symbolic.  But in reality you are not to surrender yourself to anybody else but to an Incarnation. Also if there's a teacher in any art or in any way your master, you must touch his feet.  Even to take his name you have to pull your ears.  But nobody who is a human being should make touch your feet. Specially the Sahaja Yogis should not. Nobody should ask anyone to touch your feet. As an elder you may.  That's a different point. But not as a Guru.

Is a very dangerous thing.  Once you start it you know what it happens with so many, they are just gone out of Sahaja Yoga.

So to develop the Guru principle within you, first of all you must develop yourself fully.  Now how to develop yourself for Guru principle, one must see.  We have got the ten principles within you, as I told you before, and we should develop these all ten principles in such a way that we stand out from others.  Yesterday as I told you that when we do Dhyana, Dharana and Samadhi, and achieve the blessings of the Ritambhara Pragnya then put that whole thing on to different areas, called as Desha or Bhoomi.  How you spend them is the point -is through mantras.  Cleanse it through mantras.  Cleanse it through your attention.  Everyday you must know which chakra to be cleared out.  You must know about yourself where is the problem, how it is to be cleansed, how we have to clear it out. Do not take it for granted.  Many people who have got say left-sided problems you will just bring them lemon and chillies, and think that Mother has done the job.  I can only do the job temporarily.  But if there's a vacuum, again you'll suck in.  You see. These vacuums within you feel hungry again, to have some more.  So to take out that vacuum is your job, and for that you have to religiously get out of all your defects.  That's the most important thing for all of you.  And try to put full attention to all these different Deshas, is the nations they are called as.  And once you have cleared it, it is enlightened, is full of light, then you call it Pradesh, means the Desha has been enlightened.  Once that is achieved, then you have reached a point you can become a Guru.  But still you are not a Sat Guru.  To become the Sat Guru, you must achieve the state of Ateeta.

The Ateeta state is such that a person who is not a good man will tremble before you.  A man who is a liar, who has cheated others will lose his tongue. A man who has adulterous eyes, who is a man with no control, without any control over his mind, as far as the women are concerned or men are concerned, such a person will have shaking in his eyes.  Some of them will shake.  Those who have been possessed will be shaking very much. They will all be exposed before the light of a Sat Guru.

When you achieve that you don't have to fight them.  They will themselves be exposed and you don't have to do anything about it.

One day I was told that there is a servant, lady servant, who is a very possessed person in the family.  So I said "Get rid of her." I went to the airport, on my way I stopped at that house, and the maid servant just walked in, you see and there was a big gutter flowing, -I mean not a gutter but a open sort of a thing -and she saw me and she fell in that.  I said, "Oh God!"  So I told the driver to take the car a little ahead.  And she fell in.  It happens!

I was traveling by plane one day, and a gentleman in front started just jumping.  So a Sahaja Yogi asked, "Are you from T.M.?" He said how do you know ? He said, "We know".  So I sat back.  It may be they may all -a day may come when they might start jumping like that; or a pilot might start jumping. It's a big problem for me!  Even the lights.  You enter into any church and suddenly you find all the lights going up like that.  Even in big banquets I find when I'm sitting there and suddenly everybody comes and sit down, and all their bhoots come round, they start jumping and then people start looking, what's happening?  Is there a fire on?

So many things can happen like that.  There was a gentleman very much possessed in a war and we were going to a ship and there was a little platform on which we had to first jump, and the platform started moving like this, like that, and the fellow didn't know what to do, you see! He didn't understand why it was doing this.

So, when you reach that state you don't have to argue or do anything.  Even if you lift your eye, it happens that the person gets into problems; or there could be some ego-oriented people, they'll melt down.  First we have to do the drama of a Guru.  Dress up in a way which is simple, you have to behave in a way which is very gentle, because you have to attract them; "Come along, come along, come along",--that's advertising, advertising department! And once it is done, that drama is done, it can be exposed very soon, then they'll find you out that you are no good! You are just a dramatist.  Once that drama has been done, then very cleverly you can bring out your real Self before them.

So first you don't show them that you are a real hard task master.  Never.  First use all your sweet qualities.  The more they are difficult the more I'm gentle with them.  Then they come inside, then you put to the mill and you can cure them.  First prepare them.  First of all sometimes they are so frightened, they are so nervous, they are so upset, sometimes too much of ego.  So be gentle.  Gradually they'll strengthen themselves also in your company, and then, even if you hit them, they are alright.

That's how it has to be done, very cleverly. And if you see the way I manage My Gurudom, you can also.  But the key to Guru is patience, a complete patience, and complete dependence on God Almighty.  That's the key, complete patience.  First you tell them that this should be such.  But they will not accept, they'll argue, how? Why? This, that.  Alright go ahead.  Then they'll come back with a black eye, or they may come back with a punched nose, then you say "Alright, I'll soothe it down".  You soothe it down, and then tell them.

So is the wisdom, the discretion of Yogeshwara you should have.  How to deal with people is very important.  Why I say Yogeshwara, because at the Guru stage you have to give it on a collective level.  Individual level finishes and you jump into collective, once you start becoming a Guru so all these methods which I explained other day to Modi, you can understand that the ten of your problems, at the Void, once solved, you've solved the sixteen problems of the Vishuddhi. And once sixteen problems are crossed, you come to Agnya.  And at the Agnya Chakra, there's such a tremendous sacrifice, without feeling the sacrifice, is awaiting.  And one has to see what you can sacrifice in that Ateeta state, because you don't sacrifice anything. Everything is already sacrificed.  What is there to sacrifice?

And such a state should be achieved by realizing that you are realized souls, you are not ordinary people.  And you cannot have ordinary mundane types of rules and regulations, like Yama and Niyama.

The Niyamas are for yourself, Yamas for others.  Nothing.  There should be absolute truth within you.  So much so that you should manifest them, and all these truths have powers, by every truth that is within you established, you don't have to do anything, they work out themselves.

So first of all you must get your chakras alright.  On the chakras you must put your attention.  After the Samadhi state You will start opening them out properly, clear them out, know what are the chakras that are bad. I've seen people who have very bad few chakras, and many good chakras, but they will be only enjoying the good chakras and will not worry about the bad ones.

Pay attention to your bad chakras.  Cleanse them, cleanse them.  Put all your attention to that.  Put the attention of the God, of the Deity whom you worship, and you'll get the complete manifestation of their power within yourself.

So clear all the chakras, all the pradeshas to be established, and after the establishment of the pradeshas, you have to establish the rapport with others on the collective level. Then a state when you become a complete Spirit at Agnya Chakra.  It's easiest in Sahaja Yoga, and I've told you the reason -because you are such fortunate people.  The easiest of easiest is Sahaja Yoga.  The essence of Sahaja, Yoga that is the easiest thing to do.  And that is why you should take full advantage of that easiest method made easy, absolutely, for you.  This is the blessing of Guru Puja for you. That you all should become Gurus by next year. Just you have to dedicate and say today in your heart, to promise me, in your heart that Mother, not only we'll try, but we will be, and thrice you should say -we will be, we will be.

First of all I want to tell you that now I've completed my 60th year.  And no more celebrations of my Birthday.  This is the last.  Please remember that.  I've accepted whatever you said because of 60th Birthday is very auspicious; after this no more celebrations of my 60th Birthday!

Well now you have already thought of giving me some present from all Europeans -on the 60th Birthday, I've accepted.  But no more of this kind of planning should be done anymore for the 60th Birthday which is over now.  I'm telling you very frankly.  Alright?  So nobody is going to celebrate my 60th Birthday anymore, I hope it's clear to you.

So the protocol of the Guru and the Mother is to be understood in Sahaja Yoga mostly by experiencing.  But that doesn't mean that you go out of the way to experience the other side Of it.

By being protocolish more and more you'll find you'll receive much more help.  Like Nick, one day l told him , he'll tell you that.  There were two ladies who wanted to go to Belgium. I told them they are going tomorrow -and the ladies said no we are going today.  He said that Mother has said that you are going tomorrow so you go tomorrow whatever it is.  They said, "No we are going today.  How is it that Mother has said that we are going tomorrow." But he said it.  They wouldn't listen.  So he sent them to the airport -and they found they had to go next day!

So that is how it is that the protocol should be that "Yes, Mother has said it, doesn't matter, it may go wrong it doesn't matter, whatever She says let's obey and see".

By experiencing only you will know, but in the beginning only you'll say "No we'll not do this and that", it's not good.

So the protocol is the simplest of simple to do.  So that's the essence of Sahaja Yoga -the simplest of the simple is the protocol.

This is the point is that to grow best in Sahaja Yoga is to know the protocol, which you can ask others, with experienced people you can ask, or if you want to have your own experience you can have. But some people try the other way round like answering me back, saying all kinds of things, "Let's see experiment what happens".  And then they break their necks and come to me for curing.

So that should not happen. Experience should be for betterment, and that's how if you can ask others, take their advice, those people who are rising higher than normal, what is the protocol? And put your attention to it how can you improve your protocol?  What should we do to observe protocol?  What wrong are we doing? Where are we going wrong? Because the essence of Sahaja Yoga today is the protocol, which should be the simplest.  Should be the simplest thing to do.  And once you know the protocol, that "If She has said it, if it is meant, then it's alright." But some people are so funny that they start using me as a quotation: -"Mother has said everybody must fast." I told somebody that go, you better fast, so a thin man comes next day fainting.  I said what happened? When I say something to a particular person they just circulate it because they think, 'Why should I fast alone, everybody must do it'.  It's a big problem that they always quote me.  Nobody is to quote me to others. There's one thing is important.  Whatever you have to say you put it on the notice board may be with my signature, better, for general, and for particular. Whatever I say you should do it for particular, at least that much discretion, discretion we all should have.  And try, you'll be very Much helped, you'll be surprised, you'll be very much helped.  Because it is for all, everything is for your betterment, and a special Grace if you understand the essence of protocol.

So I'm taking you to that point, where you start understanding that nothing is to be surrendered to Mother as such because She doesn't take anything, nothing goes to Her, is only your surrendering yourself by leaving all that is not wanted.  It's a very, beautifying process which one should take.

You all have come up so much and you have to go very much further.  I'm sure you will go ahead and will become great Gurus, as you have promised today, by next year.

-Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi