Hey all,I was at a hackathon today, and spent the day working on Webfinger libraries for Sinatra and Jekyll. It was really productive, but -- at the end of the day, a reporter was there asking everybody questions about their projects.When he asked what Webfinger was for, I realized that the original easy-to-communicate killer app for Webfinger, easing universal login through OpenID, was dead. The only thing I could think to say was "Remember OpenID? Before it died? Well, this is a piece of the puzzle to putting something like that back together again."
That didn't feel like a very impressive answer. So, now that OpenID is dead, what's the one line explanation for why Webfinger is important? What's the path forward to making Webfinger something people are incentivized to support?Should we be pushing really hard to resuscitate OpenID via OpenID Connect? Do we just need to wait for internal lobbying inside of Google/Microsoft/Twitter/etc to pay off in some announcement? I know Webfinger supports more than email lookup -- is there some particular killer app people were envisioning when they lobbied for that feature?I'm so happy there's finally an RFC, after so many years. I recognize how much work was put in to make that happen, and this shouldn't be taken as a criticism of anyone. I just want to know what others see for the future of Webfinger, and what I should do next.-- Eric--
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Hey all,I was at a hackathon today, and spent the day working on Webfinger libraries for Sinatra and Jekyll. It was really productive, but -- at the end of the day, a reporter was there asking everybody questions about their projects.When he asked what Webfinger was for, I realized that the original easy-to-communicate killer app for Webfinger, easing universal login through OpenID, was dead. The only thing I could think to say was "Remember OpenID? Before it died? Well, this is a piece of the puzzle to putting something like that back together again."
That didn't feel like a very impressive answer. So, now that OpenID is dead, what's the one line explanation for why Webfinger is important? What's the path forward to making Webfinger something people are incentivized to support?Should we be pushing really hard to resuscitate OpenID via OpenID Connect? Do we just need to wait for internal lobbying inside of Google/Microsoft/Twitter/etc to pay off in some announcement? I know Webfinger supports more than email lookup -- is there some particular killer app people were envisioning when they lobbied for that feature?I'm so happy there's finally an RFC, after so many years. I recognize how much work was put in to make that happen, and this shouldn't be taken as a criticism of anyone. I just want to know what others see for the future of Webfinger, and what I should do next.
I channeled this into a blog post, if anyone's interested:I imagine it's going to rankle some people who disagree with my prognosis that some things are dead, but it's how it feels from here. Webfinger needs rapid experimentation, high profile adoption, and the energy of the rest of the open web community.On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 11:38 AM, Eric Mill <er...@konklone.com> wrote:
This is all helpful to hear, and I hope these all come to fruition, especially OpenID Connect. I'll take a stab at setting up my own OpenID Connect service on my domain and see how it feels.
I guess it's inevitable that we have to hope the big companies make a meaningful gesture, too. Giving Google's outdated Webfinger endpoint for Gmail a big update would be a great start.On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 3:23 PM, Paul E. Jones <pau...@packetizer.com> wrote:
Eric,
OpenID is not entirely dead, yet. I still run my own OpenID OP server and use it to log into some sites. I still allow OpenID logins on forums.packetizer.com, too. It's still in use, but the large sites just didn't have enough users using it, so they axed it. On its heels, though, is now OpenID Connect and it will use WebFinger for discovery. so, sure... push it :-)
Personally, I can think of a lot of good uses for WebFinger:
* When I log onto a web site, I want the site to grab my name an picture automatically.
* If I want somebody to send me bitcoins, I'd much rather give them my email address (and I do have that in my WF account)
* My contact info is published via WebFinger, so I don't have to give people a lot of info on a business card
* WebFinger will hopefully be used as the starting point for auto-provisioning of email clients or other devices and applications where one has to enter server and port information
Paul
On 10/14/2013 11:21 PM, Eric Mill wrote:
Hey all,
I was at a hackathon today, and spent the day working on Webfinger libraries for Sinatra and Jekyll. It was really productive, but -- at the end of the day, a reporter was there asking everybody questions about their projects.
When he asked what Webfinger was for, I realized that the original easy-to-communicate killer app for Webfinger, easing universal login through OpenID, was dead. The only thing I could think to say was "Remember OpenID? Before it died? Well, this is a piece of the puzzle to putting something like that back together again."
That didn't feel like a very impressive answer. So, now that OpenID is dead, what's the one line explanation for why Webfinger is important? What's the path forward to making Webfinger something people are incentivized to support?
Should we be pushing really hard to resuscitate OpenID via OpenID Connect? Do we just need to wait for internal lobbying inside of Google/Microsoft/Twitter/etc to pay off in some announcement? I know Webfinger supports more than email lookup -- is there some particular killer app people were envisioning when they lobbied for that feature?
I'm so happy there's finally an RFC, after so many years. I recognize how much work was put in to make that happen, and this shouldn't be taken as a criticism of anyone. I just want to know what others see for the future of Webfinger, and what I should do next.
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I channeled this into a blog post, if anyone's interested:
I know I gloss over the non-email uses of Webfinger. It's just very far from my original understanding of WF, and I don't know any uses out there of WF for non-email URIs to mention.
FWIW, I was more precise in the definition I contributed to the front page of webfinger.net: "A way to attach information to an email address, or other online resource."About the link relations (and maybe this should be a separate thread), when I was making sinatra-webfinger, I realized it was useful to start a little mapping file of keywords to best-practice URNs. That way, my configuration was just "name: 'Eric Mill'", etc.Maybe it's worth factoring this out to its own tiny repo, and soliciting contributions? I think in practice, most admin and user interaction with Webfinger property names and link rel's should be through common names, not literally pasting in whole URNs. I honestly can't be bothered to remember them, or choose between them.-- Eric
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