Demistifying web2py

[Alan Etkin]

I've proposed a talk At PyConAr (Argentina) about all the criticism web2py has had from a technical standpoint. Particularly, I'll try to demonstrate that it is not quite so that:

  web2py is not Python
  web2py is less performant
  web2py has too much magic
  web2py is just for learning

The list was made according to my limited experience and maybe it could modified to address more important or serious criticisms

I belive there's a lot of material already available to take care of while collecting references as for example this list's records and maybe stackoverflow and other Pyhon programming resources; I wonder if anybody could help providing other sources or points of view to add to enhance the research.

Please note that this is a simple talk proposal and so far has not been accepted. However, it could be of help for others in case of further work anyway.

[Massimo Di Pierro]

:-)

[Jason (spot) Brower]

For a tool only for learning, I sure make a lot of money from it.

I have many sites that run web2py and ALL clients that work with us are with web2py, and a few others in bottle and django.

Magic, funny, I like magic.

Good luck with the talk and I hope to do well!

BR,

Jason

:-)

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[Relsi Hur Maron]

web2py is just for learning? why?

[Massimo Di Pierro]

I think he is making a joke. Nobody says that but some dishonest people form the competition.

Massimo

[António Ramos]

I think i have a dishonest friend....

2013/8/6 Massimo Di Pierro <massimo....@gmail.com>

[Massimo Di Pierro]

Saying "it is only a teaching tool" without explaining why seems to imply that we, the developers, are saying so. Well, we are not saying that. We never did.

One thing is saying that web2py was originally created as a teaching tool (true) another is to dismiss web2py as only a teaching tool (false). It has evolved a lot from its origins thanks to the contribution of many people here. It has its strengths and it has it weaknesses. The fact that it still easy to read and understand it a strength and continue to make it a good teaching tool. This is the very same reason web2py is good for business applications.

Web2py is a good teaching tool BECAUSE it is a good business tool.

Massimo 

[Alan Etkin]

> I think he is making a joke. Nobody says that but some dishonest people form the
> competition.

Yeah, some of the statements I called criticism are very ridiculous
and I would like to mention them because they are funny. However I
think that users who do not know web2py except for what is said about
it can have a very wrong concept about the framework and it could lead
them to choose any other sound framewok without even trying web2py
first. The proposal aims to warn potential users about unjustified
statements but also to give some background on other more serious
comparisons.

Argentina has lots of django mongers, and maybe the most of the
criticism comes from them. I also think it is a mistake to use the zen
of Python to discard frameworks because of the "... obvious way of
doing things ..." wether we are choosing one or another. Tim Peters or
whoever created that was not talking about web development frameworks,
but about writing Python programs.

[Anthony]

  web2py has too much magic

A couple of nice quotes from Zed Shaw:

https://twitter.com/zedshaw/status/80415443558477825

https://twitter.com/zedshaw/status/80418794526351360

 

[Alan Etkin]

2013/8/6 Anthony <abas...@gmail.com>:

Zed Shaw quotes might be slightly unpleasant to some, but we cannot
say he doesn't go to point. Can we?

I probably use this quotes, they are very funny too.

[Ovidio Marinho]

I think we should not listen to criticism, but not refute them in the mouth, but with codes. And this is what they are worried about web2py is picking up and growing in the web development community. Let's Work!

      

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2013/8/6 Alan Etkin <spam...@gmail.com>

[Relsi Hur Maron]

Cool, all is better inside the context.

=)

[Alan Etkin]

El martes, 6 de agosto de 2013 11:20:01 UTC-3, Relsi Hur Maron escribió:

Cool, all is better inside the context.

I just made a search and saw this
www.slideshare.net/rochacbruno/desmistificando-web2py-tdc2011
(it's been for a while) and I think there's lot of that presentation I can use. In fact, now I know where the title came from.

And also found this

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/web2py/dmN54cpMuXo/lufvxmaQMLUJ

And this is really helpful (Anthony has listed some issues about web2py core development)
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/web2py/ohtk6Wroh7Q/3MfrqmGK92oJ

How about adding web2py uses bad practices to the web2py mythology? For example the supposedly bad practice of using exec.

[Derek]

That's like saying 'Shaolin Kung Fu' is only for physical fitness, not for fighting. 

Technically, it started as a fitness regimen for monks, but it is also good for fighting.

[Alan Etkin]

> That's like saying 'Shaolin Kung Fu' is only for physical fitness, not for
> fighting.

LOL, I'm thinking on adding the quote!