please help us test new web site

[mdipierro]

New web2py layout:

http://web2py.com

Thanks Bruno and Martin

New demo_admin:

http://web2py.com/demo_admin

Massimo

[Johann Spies]

>
>    http://web2py.com
>
> Thanks Bruno and Martin
>
> New demo_admin:
>
>   http://web2py.com/demo_admin

I cannot get into the demo_admin one using 'any random passoword' :)

Regards
Johann

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[ron_m]

Looks very nice Massimo.

Main site, under Documentation on the page the Epydoc link is for
http://127.0.0.1:8000

[Kenneth Lundström]

> http://web2py.com

Looking very nice.

> New demo_admin:
> http://web2py.com/demo_admin

Whats new in the new admin? Could not see anything new with a fast look.

Kenneth

[Pepe]

the website layout looks very good!

but the new "logo" looks like a Game and not like an "ENTERPRISE web
framework"...
is overdesigned...

Pepe

On Oct 9, 4:55 pm, ron_m <ron.mco...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Looks very nice Massimo.
>

> Main site, under Documentation on the page the Epydoc link is forhttp://127.0.0.1:8000

[Jurgis Pralgauskis]

I liked orange collors more :)

and the header is quite large to stay forever for my monintor -- there
could be option, to make it scroll up.

what is the idea of new logo? :)

[ron_m]

If you go to http://web2py.com and click the "read more" link at the
end of the Includes bullet item I get "invalid request".

The target URL is http://web2py.com/what which is a broken link.

If you click the Home button or the icon at the top of the page you
end up inside the examples web site

http://web2py.com/examples/default/index and from there the Includes
"read more" link works because the target in that case is

http://web2py.com/examples/default/what

All the other top menu links also take you inside the examples web
site.

On Oct 9, 1:07 pm, mdipierro <mdipie...@cs.depaul.edu> wrote:

[Bruno Rocha]

The header scrolls up under http://web2py.com/examples/default/videos , it is better than fixed?

The logo idea is just to use WP (web2py), it is a W with a P inside, but some people said the P remember python snakes (I dont think so)

2010/10/9 Jurgis Pralgauskis <jurgis.pr...@gmail.com>

--

http://rochacbruno.com.br

[Bruno Rocha]

2010/10/9 Jurgis Pralgauskis <jurgis.pr...@gmail.com>

I liked orange collors more :)

and the header is quite large to stay forever for my monintor -- there
could be option, to make it scroll up.

For testing, in any page just input:

$('.headerExt').css('position','absolute')

in firebug console, then header will be unfixed ( we can have an option for that)

what is the idea of new logo? :)

On 9 Spa, 23:07, mdipierro <mdipie...@cs.depaul.edu> wrote:
> New web2py layout:
>
>    http://web2py.com
>
> Thanks Bruno and Martin
>
> New demo_admin:
>
>    http://web2py.com/demo_admin
>
> Massimo

--

http://rochacbruno.com.br

[mdipierro]

there is nothing new in admin, except that the demo of admin was
outdated and not is the same as regular admin

On Oct 9, 4:10 pm, Kenneth Lundström <kenneth.t.lundst...@gmail.com>
wrote:

[Bruno Rocha]

Many thanks to Jose V. Sousa, (http://twitter.com/josev2010) the designer who made all the graphics, created the new logo, and worked hard all these days to test the ideas for this site.

Any suggestion is welcome, and if it is a good idea we can add or change for the next version of the site.

This website will be multilanguage in the next release, then, we need contributors to translate for each language.

2010/10/9 mdipierro <mdip...@cs.depaul.edu>

[mdipierro]

Yes, thanks to Jose, you and Martin for help with the new design.

For everybody else...
we needed a new/better design for long time. Many new users had
complained about the old design. There was a possible trademark
conflict with the logo. The example app was not designed to be
translated into multiple languages.
The new examples is lighter, portable, based on markmin, allows
translations. We could use help in testing for broken links and layout
oddities.

Massimo

On Oct 9, 5:02 pm, Bruno Rocha <rochacbr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Many thanks to Jose V. Sousa, (http://twitter.com/josev2010) the designer
> who made all the graphics, created the new logo, and worked hard all these
> days to test the ideas for this site.
>
> Any suggestion is welcome, and if it is a good idea we can add or change for
> the next version of the site.
>
> This website will be multilanguage in the next release, then, we need
> contributors to translate for each language.
>

> 2010/10/9 mdipierro <mdipie...@cs.depaul.edu>

[Wobmofo]

I think the logo needs more work. It should pass the one color test
(http://www.corporate-eye.com/blog/2010/06/put-your-brand-logo-through-
the-one-color-test/)

And what bothers also is that I read Wweb2py. I think that web2py
should more separated from the logo, a little more on the right, or
down to it (or maybe smaller or logo bigger or different color).

And the new logo should be spammed anywhere ! In branding, repetition
is key lol.

On Oct 9, 11:50 pm, Bruno Rocha <rochacbr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The header scrolls up underhttp://web2py.com/examples/default/videos, it

> is better than fixed?
>
> The logo idea is just to use WP (web2py), it is a W with a P inside, but
> some people said the P remember python snakes (I dont think so)
>

> 2010/10/9 Jurgis Pralgauskis <jurgis.pralgaus...@gmail.com>

[mart]

Looks awesome! Love the build notes at the bottom!

[Luis Díaz]

very good design!

I like the irc channel
--
Díaz Luis
TSU Analisis de Sistemas
Universidad de Carabobo

http://web2pyfacil.blogspot.com/

Facultad de Odontología

[Richard]

nice.
Can you explain the meaning behind the new logo? It reminded me of the
Eye of Sauron - one Framework to rule them all!

> Facultad de Odontología<http://www.odontologia.uc.edu.ve/index.php?option=com_content&view=ar...>

[Anthony]

First, let me say this is excellent work and much appreciated. Along
with the new scaffolding app, web2py is really looking very polished
now. Thanks for your work Bruno, Martin, and Jose (and anyone else
involved).

Now for some feedback...

Regarding the new logo, although it does indeed look very cool, I'm
not sure it quite fits with the web2py "brand identity." To me, the
logo looks a bit stark, ominous, almost goth -- sort of saying,
"web2py, the bad boy of Python frameworks." But when I think of web2py
and its community, I think "professional", "mature", "open",
"welcoming", even "friendly". Perhaps the old logo could use some
updating, but to me it did a better job of capturing the web2py
identity. If we want to stick with the new logo, perhaps it could at
least be softened a bit (as is, it reminds me of a bat with its wings
spread open). Also, this isn't as big a deal, but the header/footer
color is perhaps a bit too desaturated/washed-out (which contributes
to the "darkness" evoked by the logo).

Here are some other observations (note, I'm viewing via IE8 on Windows
7):

* Fixed header: I'm on the fence about this -- on some pages, it's
nice, but especially when viewing the code on the examples page, you
start wishing you had that extra vertical space to see more of the
code without scrolling. If I had to choose, I think I'd say let the
header scroll instead of keeping it fixed.

* In the top nav, maybe move Documentation immediately to the right
(or even left) of Download, instead of at the end. Also, maybe change
"Staff" to "Contributors" (seems more descriptive of what's on that
page).

* The list of items down the right side (starting with User Groups)
seems to be in a somewhat random order. Maybe they could be at least
roughly grouped -- something like user community (User Groups, Live
Chat, User Voice, Twitter), learning/documentation (Interactive Demo,
FAQ, Videos, Quick Examples, web2py Slices), and applications/plugins.

* At least in my browser, the fonts used in the boxinfo class appear a
bit unclear (i.e., jagged/blocky rather than smooth).

* On the home page, the Visitor locations map is showing visitors to
mdp.cti.depaul.edu, not web2py.com (and the graphic isn't too
attractive). Also, the Support web2py widget is cut off at the bottom,
so I don't see any button to click to donate. Also, I'm not sure we
want to show the amount raised so far.

* On the home page, it would be nice if the "Recent development" and
"Latest posts" boxes showed the dates (and maybe times) -- this would
show the high activity of development and of the user community (e.g.,
3 commits in the last 2 days; 5 posts in the last hour).

* On the examples page, the row of links at the top (i.e., simple |
session |...| auth) now wraps to a second line, which doesn't look so
good.

* In the affiliated companies list, www.brainyone.com, www.star-nix.com,
and www.easytouch-edv.com appear to be dead links. Also, the
Hipercenter link has "</la>" instead of "</a>" -- at least in IE, this
causes the following item (Brainyone) to be rendered improperly.

* The documentation page should probably also include links to the
examples, videos, and FAQ -- so we'll have one page with links to ALL
relevant learning/documentation resources.

Finally, this probably isn't the time, but for the next revision, we
might think about re-organizing things a bit. For example, maybe the
top nav should include a Community link, an Applications/Plugins link,
etc. Also, as previously discussed, ultimately we could use an
improved "powered by web2py" list, linking the handful of _best_
examples plus maybe project descriptions and/or names of companies
using web2py for non-public web apps. It would also be great to
integrate and standardize the look and feel of currently disparate
resources (e.g., appliances, plugins, slices, FAQ, etc.).

Anyway, I hope I don't sound too critical. I really think the new site
is fantastic and a much needed improvement. Great work everyone!

Best Regards,
Anthony

[Bruno Rocha]

The Logo is just W and P, but I like your idea! "One framework to rule them all!" is a good idea.. :-)

2010/10/9 Richard <rich...@gmail.com>

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http://rochacbruno.com.br

[Bruno Rocha]

Take a look at logo in higher resolution http://web2py.com/examples/static/img/logo_bw.png

Any suggestion or ideas will be considered, does anybody have an idea for a logo, send to us! 

2010/10/10 Bruno Rocha <rocha...@gmail.com>

--

http://rochacbruno.com.br

[weheh]

New website is good. Logo is kind of sinister looking IMHO. If we need
a new logo, I would like to resubmit some prototype logos from my
friend Diane Heller. I think they have potential and last year, she
was willing to spend some more time on the logo (pro bono) if there
was any interest. If there's interest now, I'll contact her about it
again.

https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0BzPqKovYWlw-ODg1ZjE0YzgtMTQ3NC00NmM0LWFiZGItNTY5NDQ3YTRhNTk3&hl=en&authkey=COqNyLYP
https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0BzPqKovYWlw-MmRhNjcwNjAtM2Y4OS00ZTM1LTgwMzYtNTE1MjMzYTM5OWU3&hl=en&authkey=CKy90PEK
https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0BzPqKovYWlw-N2IwYTA0Y2EtNDNjMi00OTg1LTgwN2MtZWI1YzhkZDI4YzRh&hl=en&authkey=CM6tupsG

On Oct 9, 4:07 pm, mdipierro <mdipie...@cs.depaul.edu> wrote:

[Jonathan Lundell]

On Oct 9, 2010, at 8:42 PM, weheh wrote:
>
> New website is good. Logo is kind of sinister looking IMHO.

I like it fine.

[Bruno Rocha]

I like that concept -> https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0BzPqKovYWlw-N2IwYTA0Y2EtNDNjMi00OTg1LTgwN2MtZWI1YzhkZDI4YzRh&hl=en&authkey=CM6tupsG

But, the snake looks childish. the idea is very good, but snake have to be redesigned, or maybe simplified, perhaps just the snake silhouette.

And, I still like the actual logo.

2010/10/10 weheh <richard...@verizon.net>

[guruyaya]

I happen to like to new logo. It looks like very slick. The offers on
the google docs are problematic, as they are rectangles, not squares
(or even almost squares). Imagine using it as a desktop icon, or as a
favicon, and I think you'll see the problem.
Overall - I like the new design. After getting used to it, I'm sure no-
one will miss the old one.

On Oct 10, 6:01 am, Bruno Rocha <rochacbr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I like that concept ->https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0BzPqKovYWlw-N2IwYTA0Y2EtNDNjMi00OTg1...

>
> But, the snake looks childish. the idea is very good, but snake have to be
> redesigned, or maybe simplified, perhaps just the snake silhouette.
>
> And, I still like the actual logo.
>

> 2010/10/10 weheh <richard_gor...@verizon.net>

>
> > New website is good. Logo is kind of sinister looking IMHO. If we need
> > a new logo, I would like to resubmit some prototype logos from my
> > friend Diane Heller. I think they have potential and last year, she
> > was willing to spend some more time on the logo (pro bono) if there
> > was any interest. If there's interest now, I'll contact her about it
> > again.
>

> >https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0BzPqKovYWlw-ODg1ZjE0YzgtMTQ3NC00NmM0...
>
> >https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0BzPqKovYWlw-MmRhNjcwNjAtM2Y4OS00ZTM1...
>
> >https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0BzPqKovYWlw-N2IwYTA0Y2EtNDNjMi00OTg1...

[Albert Abril]

I suggested Bruno and Martin another concept of logo. 

Here's my draft design (attached).

[Adi]

Amazing work Massimo, Bruno and Martin!

>  concepte.4.logo.web2py.png
> 74KViewDownload

[mdipierro]

We cannot start another logo contest... we have tried it before and we
did not get much further.

Bruno has created more than a logo. He has created a visual identity
and completely rewritten the examples app.

This was on the todo list for more than one year and nobody else did
it. He did. A major change in the logo would just bring us to square
one. There are also trademark and possible conflict issues that are
complex and have been taken into consideration here.

Yet minor changes to the new examples app and to the logo are possible
I guess and all comments here will be taken into consideration. In
particular I think Wobmofo has a valid point. It is also true that we
do not intentionally want to give web2py a dark/bad connotation so if
we can lighten up the logo a bit that is worth a try.

Massimo

On Oct 10, 1:10 am, Albert Abril <albert.ab...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I suggested Bruno and Martin another concept of logo.
> Here's my draft design (attached).
>

> On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 6:54 AM, guruyaya <guruy...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I happen to like to new logo. It looks like very slick. The offers on
> > the google docs are problematic, as they are rectangles, not squares
> > (or even almost squares). Imagine using it as a desktop icon, or as a
> > favicon, and I think you'll see the problem.
> > Overall - I like the new design. After getting used to it, I'm sure no-
> > one will miss the old one.
>
> > On Oct 10, 6:01 am, Bruno Rocha <rochacbr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > I like that concept ->
> >https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0BzPqKovYWlw-N2IwYTA0Y2EtNDNjMi00OTg1...
>
> > > But, the snake looks childish. the idea is very good, but snake have to
> > be
> > > redesigned, or maybe simplified, perhaps just the snake silhouette.
>
> > > And, I still like the actual logo.
>
> > > 2010/10/10 weheh <richard_gor...@verizon.net>
>
> > > > New website is good. Logo is kind of sinister looking IMHO. If we need
> > > > a new logo, I would like to resubmit some prototype logos from my
> > > > friend Diane Heller. I think they have potential and last year, she
> > > > was willing to spend some more time on the logo (pro bono) if there
> > > > was any interest. If there's interest now, I'll contact her about it
> > > > again.
>

> > > >https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0BzPqKovYWlw-ODg1ZjE0YzgtMTQ3NC00NmM0.
> > ..
>
> > > >https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0BzPqKovYWlw-MmRhNjcwNjAtM2Y4OS00ZTM1.
> > ..
>
> > > >https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0BzPqKovYWlw-N2IwYTA0Y2EtNDNjMi00OTg1.
> > ..
>

> > > > On Oct 9, 4:07 pm, mdipierro <mdipie...@cs.depaul.edu> wrote:
> > > > > New web2py layout:
>
> > > > >    http://web2py.com
>
> > > > > Thanks Bruno and Martin
>
> > > > > New demo_admin:
>
> > > > >    http://web2py.com/demo_admin
>
> > > > > Massimo
>
>
>

>  concepte.4.logo.web2py.png
> 74KViewDownload

[johntynan]

Great work with the new web2py site! I like how well the top and
right hand navigation is used and I was glad to discover some
resources about web2py that I didn't realize were available.

I have one question. Do you think the twitter link should direct
people to the twitter search for web2py, as opposed to the web2py
twitter account? http://twitter.com/search/web2py

Excellent work!

[Thadeus Burgess]

I think the "w" is redundant in the logo. It just looks funny.

What if the logo was just the user icon in the middle?

--
Thadeus

[rochacbruno]

I did not understand your suggestion, what user icon?

Are you saying to remove "web2py" leaving just the WP or removing the big W leaving just the P?

I am working on new ideas for the logo, small changes.

Enviado via iPhone

[Thadeus Burgess]

The circle-dagger in the middle of the logo. Remove the W and make it
just an i. IE: A user icon, the circle representing a head and the
dagger representing the user body. Remove the \ and / from the logo.

--
Thadeus

[weheh]

Hi Bruno, good work all around. Thoughts about the logo: I like the
way the logo worked in the past, where the icon part of the logo
separates from the web2py part of the logo and works stand alone. I
like your attempt to combine the W and the P. If you overlap the P on
top of the right-most up-slanting segment of the W, it looks like the
loop in the P could be the head of a snake and the W is its body. As
many of us would not be using web2py were it not for python, the snake
is an important motif IMHO. As you come up with new sketches for the
logo, could you try a design that incorporates these ideas? I present
a quick example of this concept (using your color scheme) here:
https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0BzPqKovYWlw-YTI5M2Q5NTAtMDk0MS00ZjgwLWFhZGItZTNmYmM3MzdiMjlh&hl=en

On Oct 10, 2:24 pm, rochacbruno <rochacbr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I did not understand your suggestion, what user icon?
>
> Are you saying to remove "web2py" leaving just the WP or removing the big W leaving just the P?
>
> I am working on new ideas for the logo, small changes.
>
> Enviado via iPhone
>

> Em 10/10/2010, às 14:21, Thadeus Burgess <thade...@thadeusb.com> escreveu:
>
> > I think the "w" is redundant in the logo. It just looks funny.
>
> > What if the logo was just the user icon in the middle?
>
> > --
> > Thadeus
>

[mdipierro]

I did not do anything. The other people mentioned did.

[Jonathan Lundell]

On Oct 10, 2010, at 12:14 PM, weheh wrote:
>
> Hi Bruno, good work all around. Thoughts about the logo: I like the
> way the logo worked in the past, where the icon part of the logo
> separates from the web2py part of the logo and works stand alone. I
> like your attempt to combine the W and the P. If you overlap the P on
> top of the right-most up-slanting segment of the W, it looks like the
> loop in the P could be the head of a snake and the W is its body. As
> many of us would not be using web2py were it not for python, the snake
> is an important motif IMHO. As you come up with new sketches for the
> logo, could you try a design that incorporates these ideas? I present
> a quick example of this concept (using your color scheme) here:
> https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0BzPqKovYWlw-YTI5M2Q5NTAtMDk0MS00ZjgwLWFhZGItZTNmYmM3MzdiMjlh&hl=en

"Sorry, the page (or document) you have requested is not available."

[weheh]

Sorry ... sharing settings weren't set properly.

https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0BzPqKovYWlw-YTI5M2Q5NTAtMDk0MS00ZjgwLWFhZGItZTNmYmM3MzdiMjlh&hl=en

On Oct 10, 3:29 pm, Jonathan Lundell <jlund...@pobox.com> wrote:
> On Oct 10, 2010, at 12:14 PM, weheh wrote:
>
>
>
> > Hi Bruno, good work all around. Thoughts about the logo: I like the
> > way the logo worked in the past, where the icon part of the logo
> > separates from the web2py part of the logo and works stand alone. I
> > like your attempt to combine the W and the P. If you overlap the P on
> > top of the right-most up-slanting segment of the W, it looks like the
> > loop in the P could be the head of a snake and the W is its body. As
> > many of us would not be using web2py were it not for python, the snake
> > is an important motif IMHO. As you come up with new sketches for the
> > logo, could you try a design that incorporates these ideas? I present
> > a quick example of this concept (using your color scheme) here:

> >https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0BzPqKovYWlw-YTI5M2Q5NTAtMDk0MS00Zjgw...

[Anthony]

For what it's worth, I don't think we need a snake in the logo. At
least, it can be difficult to get it right -- snake logos can easily
end up looking either too fierce/scary or too childish/cartoonish.
Most other Python frameworks and libraries don't have snake logos (not
to mention that the language was actually named after Monty Python,
not a snake). The few snake logos that actually look OK are typically
highly stylized and don't really look too "snaky".

Anthony

On Oct 10, 2:24 pm, rochacbruno <rochacbr...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I did not understand your suggestion, what user icon?
>
> Are you saying to remove "web2py" leaving just the WP or removing the big W leaving just the P?
>
> I am working on new ideas for the logo, small changes.
>
> Enviado via iPhone
>

> Em 10/10/2010, às 14:21, Thadeus Burgess <thade...@thadeusb.com> escreveu:
>
>
>
> > I think the "w" is redundant in the logo. It just looks funny.
>
> > What if the logo was just the user icon in the middle?
>
> > --
> > Thadeus
>

> > On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 8:04 AM, johntynan <jgty...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Great work with the new web2py site!  I like how well the top and
> >> right hand navigation is used and I was glad to discover some
> >> resources about web2py that I didn't realize were available.
>
> >> I have one question.  Do you think the twitter link should direct
> >> people to the twitter search for web2py, as opposed to the web2py
> >> twitter account?  http://twitter.com/search/web2py
>

> >> Excellent work!- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

[mdipierro]

This was discussed long ago... Snakes are a nice reference to the
Python community but are not appealing outside the community. They are
not exactly perceived as friendly animals.

[Albert Abril]

In case of a new logo. 

What are the guidelines you want to accomplish?

[rock...@googlemail.com]

Totally digg the new website, looks good and more importan seems to be
much better organized.

Regarding the logo: use the old one - web2py has working hard to
establish
some kind of brand, why destroy that?

Take care

[Rowdy]

mdipierro wrote:
> New web2py layout:
>
> http://web2py.com
>
> Thanks Bruno and Martin
>
> New demo_admin:
>
> http://web2py.com/demo_admin
>
> Massimo
>

Looks good, clean, professional, consistent.

Some comments:

1. The black icons for the links on the lower right (User Groups,
Twitter ...) stand out from the rest of page. They look a bit dark
and angular compared to the slightly softer look of the rest of the
site. Maybe buttons like the ones on the Download page would look
better.

2. The download link was returning a 404 error this morning (about 10
minutes ago), but just seems to have fixed itself.

Rowdy

[mdipierro]

I was working on it live. Sorry. Fixed now.

[Richard]

I like the Django and Symfony logos:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/75/Django_logo.svg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bc/Symfony.gif

Straightforward.

Richard

[Richard]

forgot to include my point - so how about remove the WP thing and just
keep the stylish "web2py" text.


On Oct 11, 2:16 pm, Richard <richar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I like the Django and Symfony logos:http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/75/Django_logo.svghttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bc/Symfony.gif

[lannick]

What about a contest for a new logo ?

Nice work Massimo.

Regards,
Lannick

[weheh]

I know it's late, but I've got it! The logo should be a simulacrum of
the "Holy Grail". Why? Because web2py is the "holy grail" of web
frameworks. And because python is associated with Monty Python, and
Monty Python is strongly associated with "Monty Python and the Holy
Grail". So make the logo a beautiful chalice. G'nite all.

[Anthony]

> > I like the Django and Symfony logos:http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/75/Django_logo.svghtt...

>
> forgot to include my point - so how about remove the WP thing and just
> keep the stylish "web2py" text.

Not a bad idea, though we'd still probably need a square logo for the
favicon. Django's favicon is just the "dj" extracted from its full
logo, and Symfony's is the "Sf" from its full logo. Maybe web2py could
squeeze "w2p" into a square shape (maybe superscipt the 2 and/or
partially overlap it in front of or behind the "wp"). Also, note that
Django and Symfony use very distinctive fonts, which makes up for lack
of a graphic logo -- web2py's current font isn't so distinctive.

Anthony

[mdipierro]

Do you want to help with the new design?

Here is what you can do today:
1) download trunk
2) go over all file in views/default/*.html
3) replace css and html <div class=".boxInfo"> with <blockquote>
4) look at index.html, following the example move the content of the
other pages into a *.markmin file.

The syntax is easy:

## title
### subtitle
paragraph with **bold** and a [[link http://...]]
- this is
- a list
----
and this is a blockquote!
----

[mdipierro]

Update...

Do you want to help with the new design?

Here is what you can do today:
1) download trunk
2) go over all file in views/default/*.html

3) look at index.html, following the example move the content of the

other pages into a *.markmin file.

4) add links since it appears lots of links form main page have been
lost

[Jonathan Lundell]

I think you've got it, Richard. I like the new design a lot, but I don't know how we could have missed this.

[Jason Brower]

Har har... way to keep it pythonic. They say to use Python jokes where
ever you can. :D Does that make us more Pep8?

> (And we could rename the framework "Grails".)

[rock...@googlemail.com]

1+
It is established and is pleasing.

On Oct 11, 5:20 am, Richard <richar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> forgot to include my point - so how about remove the WP thing and just
> keep the stylish "web2py" text.
>
> On Oct 11, 2:16 pm, Richard <richar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>

> > I like the Django and Symfony logos:http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/75/Django_logo.svghtt...

[Bruno Rocha]

I am working on a new idea suggested by Massimo and considering every suggestion that people gave here.

Today we gonna have a new logo!

Now we need help to migrate all html to markmin, after that we can start translations.

2010/10/11 ma...@rockiger.com <rock...@googlemail.com>

--

http://rochacbruno.com.br

[weheh]

Way to outdo me JL! Grails! ROFL!

>  images.jpeg
> 8KViewDownload

[Jonathan Lundell]

On Oct 11, 2010, at 10:32 AM, weheh wrote:
>
> Way to outdo me JL! Grails! ROFL!

I can't take credit for it, though: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grails_(framework)

[weheh]

LOL. Let there be chalices! (Hope nobody minds ... just having some
quick fun. Don't expect this to go anywhere.)

See crude prototype (web2py-ish color scheme):
https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0BzPqKovYWlw-NThhOTVkMTktZGVjOS00MzdjLWI5YTctNGI5OTBhNWZkNDg3&hl=en&authkey=CJ7wmP4N

On Oct 11, 10:50 am, Jonathan Lundell <jlund...@pobox.com> wrote:

[ron_m]

Grails is used by a Groovy framework modelled on Rails which runs on
the Java JVM. The project was absorbed by the Spring framework guys
which in turn was sold to EMC some time ago by the principles of
Spring.

[ron_m]

Sorry I meant VMWare, hard to keep track of all the open source
acquisitions lately.

[Michele Comitini]

2010/10/11 ron_m <ron.m...@gmail.com>:

> Sorry I meant VMWare, hard to keep track of all the open source
> acquisitions lately.

open source acquisitions -> attempt to close them ;-)

[Anthony]

Also, I don't know if this is intentional, but the change log now
wraps all the items within each release in one big paragraph (instead
of listing each change on a separate line, as in the README file),
making it a bit hard to read (and making the "web2py file structure"
at the top almost completely useless).

It appears the new site generates the change log page by passing the
README file to MARKMIN(), which doesn't produce quite the same output
as the old changelog() function. Release 1.56 looks particularly odd
because it includes a number of lines starting with "# ", which
MARKMIN is converting into large headings. The old changelog()
function also listed the releases in reverse chronological order,
which I think was more useful (though it might be nice to keep the
web2py file structure at the top).

Anthony

[Bruno Rocha]

Strange,
in test app http://9.latest.web2pysite.appspot.com/examples/default/changelog it does not happen.

2010/10/11 Anthony <av20...@yahoo.com>

--

http://rochacbruno.com.br

[Anthony]

Yes, the test app (http://9.latest.web2pysite.appspot.com/examples/
default/changelog) definitely looks better than the current site
(http://www.web2py.com/examples/default/changelog). Though in the test
app, the stuff in the right column is getting pushed down to the
bottom of the page, below the last change log entry.

On Oct 11, 5:28 pm, Bruno Rocha <rochacbr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Strange,
> in test apphttp://9.latest.web2pysite.appspot.com/examples/default/changelogit does
> not happen.
>
> 2010/10/11 Anthony <av201...@yahoo.com>

>
>
>
>
>
> > Also, I don't know if this is intentional, but the change log now
> > wraps all the items within each release in one big paragraph (instead
> > of listing each change on a separate line, as in the README file),
> > making it a bit hard to read (and making the "web2py file structure"
> > at the top almost completely useless).
>
> > It appears the new site generates the change log page by passing the
> > README file to MARKMIN(), which doesn't produce quite the same output
> > as the old changelog() function. Release 1.56 looks particularly odd
> > because it includes a number of lines starting with "# ", which
> > MARKMIN is converting into large headings. The old changelog()
> > function also listed the releases in reverse chronological order,
> > which I think was more useful (though it might be nice to keep the
> > web2py file structure at the top).
>
> > Anthony
>
> > On Oct 9, 4:07 pm, mdipierro <mdipie...@cs.depaul.edu> wrote:
> > > New web2py layout:
>
> > >    http://web2py.com
>
> > > Thanks Bruno and Martin
>
> > > New demo_admin:
>
> > >    http://web2py.com/demo_admin
>
> > > Massimo
>
> --
>

> http://rochacbruno.com.br- Hide quoted text -

[Richard]

<shudder> - that is awful!

On Oct 12, 5:37 am, weheh <richard_gor...@verizon.net> wrote:
> LOL. Let there be chalices! (Hope nobody minds ... just having some
> quick fun. Don't expect this to go anywhere.)
>

> See crude prototype (web2py-ish color scheme):https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0BzPqKovYWlw-NThhOTVkMTktZGVjOS00Mzdj...

[Solie]

Just found out about web2py. Trying to contribute. I thought this
would be a good logo to consider. Just text like someone else
suggested.

Sample Logo: http://www.solieworks.com/web2py_logo.php

> > > >> Excellent work!- Hide quoted text -

[weheh]

Yes, indeed :) I might say it was almost intentional, but I wouldn't
want to give myself too much credit.

[Thadeus Burgess]

Solie the top logo is amazing, best one I have seen so far for web2py.

Very professional looking and provides the "enterprise" feel that web2py is attempting to achieve.

--
Thadeus

[Zoom.Quiet]

is die?
as atta.

--
http://zoomquiet.org 人生苦短? Pythonic!

[rochacbruno]

I like the top logo, this would look good as sticker.

I worked today on a new logo, following an Massimo's idea.

Look
http://10.latest.web2pysite.appspot.com/examples/default/index

[mdipierro]

No. I am trying to deploy the latest design and took the site down for
some tests.

>  zq_2010-10-12-102945_781x419_scrot.png
> 146KViewDownload

[mdipierro]

OK. I think I did it. I posted the latest design by Bruno

http://www.web2py.com/

and 1.87.1.

On Oct 11, 9:36 pm, rochacbruno <rochacbr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I like the top logo, this would look good as sticker.
>
> I worked today on a new logo, following an Massimo's idea.
>

> Lookhttp://10.latest.web2pysite.appspot.com/examples/default/index

[mdipierro]

Hello Solie,

I am impressed. The first one is very much along the lines of what I
just posted.
Your second design is stunning. I can tell you are a pro!

Here is were we stand... I just posted this:
http://www.web2py.com/ (make sure you reaload)
after weeks of back and forth between me and Bruno. Yesterday night I
promised him this would be last one and definitive logo and I would
like to stick to that promise.

Yet, I really like your design and I think we should find a use for
it.

Massimo

[weheh]

Ahhh ... don't you just love getting consensus on logos (not
possible)? Sorry Bruno & MDP, I know you guys have been busting hump
on the new design. But FWIW, I think the new logo is a bit boring.
There, I've said it. I probably deserve to get kicked for that.
Anyway, I prefer the 2 logos by Solie (the 2nd one (the one on the
bottom) is my preference). But there seems to be enormous
inconsistency in the logo design process -- depending on the day, it
either has to be a stylized-text logo or a logo with a break-away
favicon. So which one is it?

On Oct 11, 11:03 pm, mdipierro <mdipie...@cs.depaul.edu> wrote:
> Hello Solie,
>
> I am impressed. The first one is very much along the lines of what I
> just posted.
> Your second design is stunning. I can tell you are a pro!
>

> Here is were we stand... I just posted this:http://www.web2py.com/(make sure you reaload)

[mdipierro]

I am not defending the artistic merits of the latest logo (because I
am partially responsible for it and because My artistic skills are
close to zero) but the problem is that there is no way to way to make
everybody happy about the logo. Each of us sees the world with a
different eye, likes a different color and has a preferred font.

I liked the first logo by Bruno and Jose for example. I showed it to
my 5yrs old son and I asked him "what is it?" he replied "a funny
bat".

Lots of people here pointed us to the Django logo as a good example so
Bruno and I discussed the features we wanted:

- no logo (which is open to too much interpretation) just text
- professional look, not trying to be funny
- bold fonts to represent solidity
- shadow but not glow (better for printing)
- close/overlapping characters to represent tight integration of
web2py components
- a long 2 to give a hint but no more than a hint of a snake

I like the logo by Solie a lot but it is more appropriate to represent
our community than web2py itself because of the smiley face with
glasses (that is what I see in it). And I like it because it kind of
looks like me. I think we should at least use it on the top of the
mailing list.

Perhaps we could use it as sample logo in the welcome app (I do not
think we should use the same logo as the examples page because we want
to avoid confusion). It would work well with the white background of
the new html5 welcome app developed by Martin.

Massimo

On Oct 11, 10:42 pm, weheh <richard_gor...@verizon.net> wrote:
> Ahhh ... don't you just love getting consensus on logos (not
> possible)? Sorry Bruno & MDP, I know you guys have been busting hump
> on the new design. But FWIW, I think the new logo is a bit boring.
> There, I've said it. I probably deserve to get kicked for that.
> Anyway, I prefer the 2 logos by Solie (the 2nd one (the one on the
> bottom) is my preference). But there seems to be enormous
> inconsistency in the logo design process -- depending on the day, it
> either has to be a stylized-text logo or a logo with a break-away
> favicon. So which one is it?
>
> On Oct 11, 11:03 pm, mdipierro <mdipie...@cs.depaul.edu> wrote:
>
> > Hello Solie,
>
> > I am impressed. The first one is very much along the lines of what I
> > just posted.
> > Your second design is stunning. I can tell you are a pro!
>

> > Here is were we stand... I just posted this:http://www.web2py.com/(makesure you reaload)

[mdipierro]

P.S. Anyway... everybody should say their opinion now:

A)
http://www.web2py.com/examples/static/img/logo_lb.png
B)
http://www.solieworks.com/images/solie_web2py.png (first)
C)
http://www.solieworks.com/images/solie_web2py.png (second)

a coherent overwhelming response would help (whatever the outcome).

Massimo

> > > Here is were we stand... I just posted this:http://www.web2py.com/(makesureyou reaload)

[Jonathan Lundell]

On Oct 11, 2010, at 9:03 PM, mdipierro wrote:
>
> P.S. Anyway... everybody should say their opinion now:
>
> A)
> http://www.web2py.com/examples/static/img/logo_lb.png
> B)
> http://www.solieworks.com/images/solie_web2py.png (first)
> C)
> http://www.solieworks.com/images/solie_web2py.png (second)
>
> a coherent overwhelming response would help (whatever the outcome).

A.

WRT C, does "b2p" mean something on its own? It sort of jumps out.

[Richard]

Great - just text - I am happy.

I think the new design of the site means the color scheme in (A) is
most appropriate. The subtle snake is good. Could you use lowercase
letters instead? The .py extension is always lowercase.

The color scheme in (B) would have worked great in the previous
design.

[Richard]

> WRT C, does "b2p" mean something on its own? It sort of jumps out.

http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/B2P

Business to Partner
Beijing to Paris
Business to Peer
Bridges to Prosperity

[Kenneth Lundström]

Definitely A

Kenneth

>>> possible)? Sorry Bruno& MDP, I know you guys have been busting hump

[Anthony]

I like (A), as well as the associated favicon. As Richard suggested,
it might be interesting to see how it would look in all lowercase,
since we always spell "web2py" in lowercase (but we should still keep
Massimo's themes -- i.e., tight integration, etc.).

Solie's creations are very nice too. Perhaps it's not quite a fair
comparison, though, because they don't match the new color scheme, and
we're not viewing them in the context of the site. (B) is cool, but
will always depend on the background color for the "2" to work. (C) is
cute, but perhaps a bit too cute, and it does cause the "b2p" to jump
out -- certainly worth finding other uses for, though, as Massimo
suggests.

Anthony

On Oct 12, 12:03 am, mdipierro <mdipie...@cs.depaul.edu> wrote:
> P.S. Anyway... everybody should say their opinion now:
>

> A)http://www.web2py.com/examples/static/img/logo_lb.png
> B)http://www.solieworks.com/images/solie_web2py.png(first)
> C)http://www.solieworks.com/images/solie_web2py.png(second)
>

> > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

[weheh]

Web2py deserves a great logo. Begging forgiveness from those who have
labored so hard on the logo, none of the logos I've seen does web2py
sufficient justice. Some come closer than others. In the absence of
more options, I'd go with B. I like C but I agree with Richard that C
emphasizes the b2p too much, and b2p has no bearing on web2py. Perhaps
with some tweaking, it might work.

For the long haul, I think it makes sense to run a logo contest again.
Having suffered through this process before, MDP may beg to differ.

Great logos are like porn. To paraphrase former Justice Potter Stewart
of the Supreme Court, I can't exactly define what it is, but I know it
when I see it.

[weheh]

More doodles. Fonts and colors are easily changed.
https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0BzPqKovYWlw-YjdkYzllM2UtMWNlNy00N2MzLWExZGEtYWY2MDg4MmIwN2Ni&hl=en&authkey=CNrH5YQE

[ont.rif]

Can you change a little you CSS?

blockquote {
...
padding: 3px 15px 10px 20px;
...
}

with this it will look better than now.

On 11 окт, 22:35, Bruno Rocha <rochacbr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I am working on a new idea suggested by Massimo and considering every
> suggestion that people gave here.
>
> Today we gonna have a new logo!
>
> Now we need help to migrate all html to markmin, after that we can start
> translations.
>
> 2010/10/11 ma...@rockiger.com <rocki...@googlemail.com>
>
>
>
> > 1+
> > It is established and is pleasing.
>
> > On Oct 11, 5:20 am, Richard <richar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > forgot to include my point - so how about remove the WP thing and just
> > > keep the stylish "web2py" text.
>
> > > On Oct 11, 2:16 pm, Richard <richar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > I like the Django and Symfony logos:
> >http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/75/Django_logo.svghtt...
>
> > > > Straightforward.
>
> > > > Richard
>
> > > > On Oct 11, 8:24 am, mdipierro <mdipie...@cs.depaul.edu> wrote:
>
> > > > > I was working on it live. Sorry. Fixed now.
>
> > > > > On Oct 10, 4:22 pm, Rowdy <da...@fielden.com.au> wrote:

>
> > > > > > mdipierro wrote:
> > > > > > > New web2py layout:
>
> > > > > > >    http://web2py.com
>
> > > > > > > Thanks Bruno and Martin
>
> > > > > > > New demo_admin:
>
> > > > > > >    http://web2py.com/demo_admin
>
> > > > > > > Massimo
>

> > > > > > Looks good, clean, professional, consistent.
>
> > > > > > Some comments:
>
> > > > > > 1. The black icons for the links on the lower right (User Groups,
> > > > > >     Twitter ...) stand out from the rest of page.  They look a bit
> > dark
> > > > > >     and angular compared to the slightly softer look of the rest of
> > the
> > > > > >     site.  Maybe buttons like the ones on the Download page would
> > look
> > > > > >     better.
>
> > > > > > 2. The download link was returning a 404 error this morning (about
> > 10
> > > > > >     minutes ago), but just seems to have fixed itself.
>
> > > > > > Rowdy
>
> --
>
> http://rochacbruno.com.br

[mdipierro]

I think we need an app just to post logos and a page to show them all.
Even if only one of the logos will be used for the web page there are
so many great ideas and I'd hate for them to go wasted.

[Seeker]

Must say that I liked the 'bat' (1st design) a lot...

[Thadeus Burgess]

B

--
Thadeus

[Jason Brower]

I like the idea. I wonder how it would look with various colors.

[Tom Atkins]

I vote A but with lower case like B - web2py - and perhaps a more stylish font?

PS Great to see the effort going into this and the new site design - it will really help increase use of web2py (although it seems silly that aesthetics matter so much, it's a fact of life that they do).

[Tom Atkins]

just as an idea: http://susweb.net/images/web2py.gif

[Albert Abril]

I totally agree with weheh, web2py is a big quality framework and deserves a profesional logo.

mdipierro said:

I think we need an app just to post logos and a page to show them all.

Even if only one of the logos will be used for the web page there are

so many great ideas and I'd hate for them to go wasted.

+1 to the logo web page. 

[Albert Abril]

I forgot to make my vote:

I love the two ones of Solie. My vote for (B), the first one of Sollie.

[Tom Atkins]

uh oh - getting carried away now: http://susweb.net/images/web2pylogo/

[Michele Comitini]

we are going to need a logo context plugin! :-)

2010/10/12 Tom Atkins <mink...@gmail.com>:

[Timmie]

Hey Bruno,
the site looks great.

After taking a breath, one might think of integrating FAQ & plugins,
slices into the new layout site. Then, a single sign in would give
access to FAQ, slices and plugins etc.


Generally all becomes more accessible. As others pointed out, a more
lighter look would be a bit more welcoming.
A submenu would also be a good help.

What do you think about adding a planet site where you aggregate
important blogs?
Also, you may want to provide a RSS link for the home page that
streams updates.

BTW, why was the feeds_reader.py put into models and not into
controllers?

Thanks for these efforts.

[Tom Atkins]

sorry last post unless anyone would like more. i do miss the web2py orange.  here's an idea for a site design which keeps the orange:

http://susweb.net/images/web2pylogo/test/

and some alternative colours for the logo:

http://susweb.net/images/web2pylogo/

[Anthony]

Note, there is a basic planet app (http://code.google.com/p/planet-
web2py/) and sample planet site using the app (http://
www.web2py.com.ar/planet/).

[Jonathan Lundell]

Two suggestions: try to separate color choice from letterform & the like. Ideally, we'd show all the logos at the same size (or at their intended front-page size) in gray scale, followed by color ideas, since in most cases, we could take a nice letterform and apply the color scheme from another design.

And, if the logo uses standard fonts (and not custom-designed letterforms), identify the fonts.

[weheh]

I'm pleased with this latest doodle. Font, color, background, drop
shadow can be changed easily. Can be shrunk and embossed into a
"powered by" lozenge sticker.

https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0BzPqKovYWlw-ODY2Nzk0OWMtODU5Zi00YmI1LWEyNDctYTQ2Y2VhY2JiOWM5&hl=en&authkey=CK22yM8E

[Lasiaf]

The new site looks awesome, also I like the web2py logo with the snake
but should be silhouette instead.
http://host2py.appspot.com/default/file/216001/web2py.png

[mdipierro]

The problem is we already have lots of unintentional brand confusion
with web.py

On Oct 12, 10:50 am, weheh <richard_gor...@verizon.net> wrote:
> I'm pleased with this latest doodle. Font, color, background, drop
> shadow can be changed easily. Can be shrunk and embossed into a
> "powered by" lozenge sticker.
>

> https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0BzPqKovYWlw-ODY2Nzk0OWMtODU5Zi00YmI1...

[Thadeus Burgess]

That is why I like logo B. It puts emphasis on the 2. Logo B with the new color scheme. Though I do like the orange in small quantities!

--
Thadeus

[rochacbruno]

I will make a try with some logo ideas posted here, and sent to me by mail.

I think worth a try with more creative professionals. People are saying web2py deserves a professional logo.

So we can try a $200 award logo in http://www.crowdspring.com/

We have to pay only if chose to use.

Almost 110 designers will send a logo idea, we just have to say the guidelines for the new logo.

1. Only letters

2. Blend with the color scheme of the new site

3. Being lower case (i like UPPER, because it differs from web.py, and is closer to helpers style i.e DIV, DAL, FORM, SQLFORM, WEB2PY), but most people here prefers in lower.

4.do not depends on background

5.....

But, if we chose a logo made by 

http://www.crowdspring.com/ we gonna have to pay at least $200

Enviado via iPhone

[Jason (spot) Brower]

As much as I like crowdspring, I would save my money and go for something bigger later, like a new page design.  I have used them for some KILLER designs for 1500USD.  But these lower end may not be so great. Just my thoughts on it.
BR,
Jason Brower