How active and 'professional' is web2py?

[joeg816]

I have been doing some research on Python web frameworks and have tried Django and Flask.  They were OK...

I found a free web2py video on Udemy and really liked the whole package, especially with the brilliant Admin.  I want to take a deep dive and really learn this stuff.

What scares me off is that it just doesn't seem to be very popular in professional Python circles for some reason.  It won awards in 2012 but that was 4 years ago.  Is this worth really learning web2py or should I just use it as a stepping stone to something else?  Are there any major websites that use this and have stuck with it over the years? 

[Kiran Subbaraman]

Active, based on 'activity' - based on code contribution and forums activity, you can see that for yourself. Check the github sites (https://github.com/web2py/web2py, and https://github.com/web2py/pydal), and also the forum postings. The code commits, issues being addressed are all recent ones.
Active, based on adoption - can't speak for others ... I have been using web2py for the last 2+ years, for the applications that I have built. None are public at the moment though.

A suggestion, based on my personal experience - web2py is a rather well engineered framework, and helps you to get going with building a typical database based application. If not anything, learn web2py, and build something useful with it. This investment of time will help you understand if web2py is suitable for you to build your business applications.

Use the forums to help you with any issues you may face, and you will find a welcoming and helpful community.
All the best with your learning.

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[joeg816]

Are there any marquee sites that are using it?  When Rails was hot, they had a few big names.  Same with PHP, etc.

I like what I have seen of web2py but I am scared off since a lot of the info I find online is several years old.  I am sure it works fine but to stay employed in this field, you usually need to use the hot languages and frameworks... 

[Dave S]

On Tuesday, July 19, 2016 at 7:53:49 AM UTC-7, joeg816 wrote:

Are there any marquee sites that are using it?  When Rails was hot, they had a few big names.  Same with PHP, etc.

I am not sure about "marquee", but Niphlod and Massimo seem to have several important accounts.

A couple months back there was a "proud papa" post about an important website for use by volunteers helping with an assistance network (Spain or Portugal, IIRC).
 

I like what I have seen of web2py but I am scared off since a lot of the info I find online is several years old.  I am sure it works fine but to stay employed in this field, you usually need to use the hot languages and frameworks... 

That can turn into endless tail-chasing, can't it?  By the time you find out what's hot and then learn the techniques, "they" will have moved on to something else.

/dps

 

[Niphlod]

nope, I don't. 

except for public contributions you can see on github, I did consult once. 

Then I just maintain several in-house apps for my current employeer, which is mostly where redis, mssql, AD and scheduler new features have been battle-tested before being released to the public

That being said, at least for public facing and not-so-hardened sites, shodan reveals something about web2py deployments around (at least the free searches available) ... it's by a long shot an estimate on the down side of reality

https://www.shodan.io/search?query=X-Powered-By%3A+web2py

[Massimo Di Pierro]

If popularity is a factor one should use PHP. 

web2py is very actively maintained thanks to Niphlod, Paolo, Anthony, Richard, Leonel, Michele, and many others. We have an excellent team.

You will find old articles because web2py exists since 2007 and it is always backward compatible so those intro articles are not obsolete.

Massimo

[Carlos Zenteno]

It is not a "professional" product but check Sahara Eden. It is based in web2py, it has a framework S3 built on top of web2py and it is used in critical disaster operation when the app is put to the test at its maximum performance...

I wonder if I should use Linux, it is really old and won prices many years ago...

[Carlos Zenteno]

[Richard Vézina]

web2py is really good framework and you won't find any other with a learning curve as smooth as that...

There is not seems that many major web site build over web2py, though I know for sure that there is many data centric app lying around in LAN of multiples business. 

Forces of web2py are :

It easses of use

Being fullstack framework (battery included)

Growth with you and your developping skills increase

Reactive community

Python

Cons

Disregarded by the purist :D

Richard

On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 10:51 AM, Carlos Zenteno <cmze...@gmail.com> wrote:

It is not a "professional" product but check Sahara Eden.  It is based in web2py, it has a framework S3 built on top of web2py and it is used in critical disaster operation when the app is put to the test at its maximum performance...

I wonder if I should use Linux, it is really old and won prices many years ago...

[Ron Chatterjee]

Part of the problem may be not any highly popular site ever used the framework. So, its capabilities are somewhat untested. If youtube for example used w2p framework, no one will question its performance. Just some thoughts...

[Alex]

Realistically no one of us will ever build a website with as much traffic as youtube. If you have that much traffic you wouldn't use an interpreted language like Python. But for 99,99% of all website this doesn't matter anyways. The bottlenecks are usually I/O and the database.

I have a public website with many requests and it runs fine and very fast with web2py. Only thing I'm missing from web2py is Python 3 support, but this should be coming in the near future (or at least I hope so).

@devs: It would help if you could rework the "powered by" section at http://www.web2py.com/poweredby

First I couldn't enter my site, so it doesn't seem to work. Second it would be much better to structure this page, this list of randomly shuffled websites doesn't give much confidence. The websites are of mixed quality, some of them are not available anymore and you don't know if they are toy projects or really serious.

I'd recommend a section of maybe 5 really good websites you want to showcase (and keep this section up-to-date), with a little description of what the page does and maybe how it uses web2py.

Below you could list all other pages (e.g. in alphabetical order) just to show that there are many applications build with web2py.

Alex

[Carlos Correia]

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Hi,

I've been using Web2py for an ERP app for almost five years without any problems
(sorry, can't publish the code, once it would invalid its certification here in
Portugal).

I've also use it in other apps (support system, surveys) without any problems.
These ones I expect to publish as soon as possible (probably, during the holiday
s).

So I would say you should (at least) give it a good try ;-)

Also, the mailing list is very helpful to any question you may have.

Regards,

Carlos Correia
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[joeg816]

I agree 100%.  The "powered by" part of the site has a bunch of sites of questionable quality and many of them are dead.   If this was better maintained and showcased some of the best examples, it would go a long way in giving people like me more confidence in using it for larger projects.  You can show web2py as an enterprise solution.  It needs a marquee name or two to take it to the next level.  Marketing. :)  

As far as Google and Youtube, I think Google DOES use Python for their sites but which web framework is used?  

[Ron Chatterjee]

youtube uses python. I believe the framework they used is Pyramid/mod_python but I could be wrong.