in my IE 6.0 the layout is wrong.

[web2py_lover]

in my IE 6.0, the layout of
http://web2py.com/examples/default/index shows ok
but mine (Current (1.99.4 stable), runing web2py_src in win as
server)
http://127.0.0.1:8000/examples shows not ok, the layout is wrong.

[LightDot]

Seriously?? :)

Of course the layout is wrong. IE6 is ancient and probably one of the worst pieces of software in history. Even Google started campaigns to help people drop it already.

I don't see any reason someone should still be using IE6 or IE7 these days and I really don't think web2py should provide support for any IE below IE8. If I even think of all the hacks I had to use back in the days to make this "browsers" work properly... I still need to use all kinds of time wasting techniques to make IE8 and IE9 behave remotely like a modern browser, but IE6... Come on! :)

[Alan Etkin]

How is it wrong? What is the problem? If you need old browser
compatibility, You could change the layout detecting the old browser
with the request data.

On Feb 22, 3:57 am, web2py_lover <lia...@gmail.com> wrote:
> in my IE 6.0, the layout ofhttp://web2py.com/examples/default/index shows ok

> but mine (Current (1.99.4 stable), runing web2py_src in win as

> server)http://127.0.0.1:8000/examples   shows not ok,  the layout is wrong.

[Willoughby]

Because in the real world of limited time and limited budgets sometimes organizations don't have the resources to roll out new browsers when they want, especially when they rely on vendors whose web products *don't work* with new browsers.  Someone who says 'I don't see a reason' is someone who has never worked for a large organization...or at least hasn't had to pay for a rollout out of their budget!

[LightDot]

My post was made in the light of web2py, perhaps it was a bit too vague.

I'm sorry if you still need to support IE6 somewhere. Truly :) Among other things I contract for our country's government but the departments I have to deal with have moved away from IE6 a good while ago. I can understand the frustration, though.

So, let me rephrase - while I can understand using IE6 in a limited environment (preferably intranet) for some antiquated software someone once upon a time got vendor-locked in, this IMHO hasn't got anything to do with the default web2py Examples or even Welcome application.

There is absolutely no reason for web2py to display glitch free on IE6 out of the box, even more so since that would limit the experience for other users with modern browsers. If there are environments that have IE6 as the only world-facing browser, than my condolences go to them, but that's also the only thing they'll get. AFAIK, web2py already provides enough tools to make a custom IE6 compatible layout if someone needs it.

Speaking about IE6 in general, even entities such as Google and Amazon have dropped IE6 support back in 2010. In EU, Microsoft itself presents IE6 users with http://www.browserchoice.eu page. Australian MS once upon a time compared IE6 with a spoiled milk: http://www.windows7news.com/2010/05/16/microsoft-compares-internet-explorer-6-to-spoiled-milk/ and as we speak, MS itself is counting down the day when this sw monstrosity can be finally and officially retired by them: http://www.ie6countdown.com/

I don't believe 2012 is the time we should even remotely be speaking about web2py and IE6. If anything, we could possibly talk about IE8 and what to do with it. I suppose IE9 is a necessary evil until Windows 8 and IE10 come out, but IE8... I'm afraid we are facing a "www.ie8countdown.com" situation, which might linger for a while. Hey, someone registered that domain in March, 2011. LOL

[Anthony]

Agreed. I'm not sure there is a compelling case for ensuring perfect display of the "examples" app in IE6. There's no problem creating other web2py apps that run fine in IE6 (subject to IE6's own limitations). But it is curious that it looks OK at web2py.com but not when running from source on localhost. What exactly is wrong with the layout?

Anthony

[Willoughby]

I'm not the OP and I'm not saying web2py should look beautiful in IE6 out of the box.

I'm just saying there are legitimate reasons for people to be using it and attacking people coming to this forum seeking help doesn't make the web2py community look all that helpful...

[chawk]

I apologize to you on behalf of the web2py community. I don't think
anybody meant to bash you, only Internet Explorer. You're 100% right
about large companies using ancient browsers. I work for a very large
fortune 500 company, and we are still using IE7 with no sign of an
upgrade in the works.

You have to admit, Lightdot is right in saying that Internet Explorer
6 is a big piece of garbage though? :) I am also guilty of bashing
anything created by Microsoft.

[LightDot]

I have written a calming reply yesterday but now I see it hasn't showed up. Hm. I use the google groups web interface and this isn't the first time this has happened. Ah well.

Anyway, it wasn't my intention to attack anyone, but it seems that I still have a strong opinion about IE. I thought this has already changed during the years, but it seems it hasn't. I assume this is because of the hours spent on making various interfaces working on those wonderful examples of IE technology... :) My strong opinion is entirely limited to the software itself, not aimed at it's users or authors and if anyone felt attacked, I sincerely apologize.

If the OP or anyone else has a specific question about making anything behave better under IE6 or any other IE, I'll be glad to help out as I'm sure will others.

[Wikus van de Merwe]

I'm sorry, but I think you are on your own on this one :) Anyone who was ever involved in coding CSS workarounds for IE6 remembers this nightmare very strongly and would not go back to it even if paid lots of money :) If you need your app to work perfectly on IE6, I suggest starting the nightmare, I mean reading, here: http://www.positioniseverything.net/ie-primer.html