logo

[Massimo Di Pierro]

Two logos have been proposed for web2py. I love them both and I would
like your opinions. Here they are attached.

Which one should go on the main web2py page and the book?

Vote A for the logo with the W and B for the logo with the globe.

Poll is open for 48 hours starting now.

Massimo

[mdipierro]

P.S.

Logo A was designed by Peter Kirchner (Yound Designers)
Logo B was designed by Mateusz Banach

Please vote only once but feel free to add comments.

Massimo

On Aug 13, 11:29 am, Massimo Di Pierro <MDiPie...@cs.depaul.edu>
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[vihang]

A

[Sebastian E. Ovide]

Both logos are very nice !

Logo A brings to my mind some kind of web2.0 community site
Logo B makes me think to some big multinational corporation

I vote for logo A

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skype: seezov

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[Jonathan Lundell]

On Aug 13, 2009, at 9:29 AM, Massimo Di Pierro wrote:

> Two logos have been proposed for web2py. I love them both and I would
> like your opinions. Here they are attached.
>
> Which one should go on the main web2py page and the book?
>
> Vote A for the logo with the W and B for the logo with the globe.

A, on the grounds of simplicity and graphic boldness.

B could be simplified, I suppose, but globe-based logos are pretty
common, at least in the Mac world.

A's bug would make a nice icon, too. And an alternative layout, with a
smaller 'web2py' under the bug, would be useful in some applications.

Nice work.

[FERNANDO VILLARROEL]

I like option A

Fernando

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[Marcin Jaworski]

A


Massimo Di Pierro:

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[FeWill]

I prefer the simplicity of A. Also the W icon created out of people is
more appealing to me.

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[DenesL]

A, but wasn't it said to be better suited for a wiki than for web2py
itself?.

[Julio]

My Vote is for "A"

Thanks,

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[Iceberg]

I prefer A too. Because the "W" is unique enough to be recognized. On
the contrary, the globe itself can not remind people about web2py.

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[Jason Brower]

A

[Yarko Tymciurak]

A prefered, but would suggest a font that better matches the fluid lines of the logo on the left, e.g. something like this...

[Yarko Tymciurak]

every time a graphic comes out, I just love playing with them, so I'll stop at this one.

2009/8/13 Iceberg <ice...@21cn.com>

[Peterle]

A, but with the same font-type of B.
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[Mark Eichin]

A actually *is a logo*; B is a picture of a globe :-) (A pretty one,
sure, but...)

And the left half of A makes a good icon by itself, for use in other
context where it has already been associated with the name...

--
_Mark_ <eic...@thok.org> <eic...@gmail.com>

[Yarko Tymciurak]

On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 3:08 PM, Mark Eichin <eic...@gmail.com> wrote:

A actually *is a logo*; B is a picture of a globe :-)  (A pretty one,
sure, but...)

And the left half of A makes a good icon by itself, for use in other
context where it has already been associated with the name...

Good point!
 

[DenesL]

+1
Yarko, try with Alba or Adira from
www.urbanfonts.com/fonts/rounded-fonts.htm

[Yarko Tymciurak]

thanks for the link, DenesL -  what I liked about the museo font I used is the outward curve at the top, which matches the icon's outturn of the "hands"

[Mark Larsen]

A

[Benigno]

I vote for A.

Both are nice, but I find A much more ussable, and easier to combine
and fit anywhere. Also, it allows for easier referals with a smaller
logo.

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[Benigno]

My vote already went for A, but I also do prefer lighter fonts as
Yarko suggest. However, I'd stick to keeping the name aligned with the
lower bottom of the logo, as it makes it much easier to later on
design and align things to the logo.

On Aug 13, 8:43 pm, Yarko Tymciurak <yark...@gmail.com> wrote:
> A prefered, but would suggest a font that better matches the fluid lines of
> the logo on the left, e.g. something like this...
>

> On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 12:29 PM, FERNANDO VILLARROEL <fvillarr...@yahoo.com

>
> > wrote:
>
> > I like option A
>
> > Fernando
>

> > --- On Thu, 8/13/09, Massimo Di Pierro <MDiPie...@cs.depaul.edu> wrote:

>
> > > From: Massimo Di Pierro <MDiPie...@cs.depaul.edu>
> > > Subject: [web2py:28520] logo
> > > To: web...@googlegroups.com
> > > Date: Thursday, August 13, 2009, 1:29 PM
> > > Two logos have been proposed for
> > > web2py. I love them both and I would
> > > like your opinions. Here they are attached.
>
> > > Which one should go on the main web2py page and the book?
>
> > > Vote A for the logo with the W and B for the logo with the
> > > globe.
>
> > > Poll is open for 48 hours starting now.
>
> > > Massimo
>
>
>

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[Alexandre Andrade]

A,

2009/8/13 Massimo Di Pierro <MDiP...@cs.depaul.edu>

--
Atenciosamente

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Alexandre Andrade
Hipercenter.com

[Richard]

A - globes are too common

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[Bottiger]

Choice A

I think it would be best if it was changed to a more Sans-Serif font
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[__future__]

A ... and I like the font... if I see one more thing with a font like
B, I am going to gouge my eyes out with a rusty fork

[Bottiger]

Sans-serif is cleaner and professional looking, that's why you see so
much of it.

[Álvaro Justen [Turicas]]

On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 13:31, mdipierro<mdip...@cs.depaul.edu> wrote:
>
> P.S.
>
> Logo A was designed by Peter Kirchner (Yound Designers)
> Logo B was designed by Mateusz Banach
>
> Please vote only once but feel free to add comments.

Good work, guys!


alvaro@estavel:~$ python -c 'import this' | grep Simple
Simple is better than complex.

So my vote is for A. :-)

> Massimo
>
> On Aug 13, 11:29 am, Massimo Di Pierro <MDiPie...@cs.depaul.edu>

> wrote:
>> Two logos have been proposed for web2py. I love them both and I would
>> like your opinions. Here they are attached.
>>
>> Which one should go on the main web2py page and the book?
>>
>> Vote A for the logo with the W and B for the logo with the globe.
>>
>> Poll is open for 48 hours starting now.
>>
>> Massimo
>>
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> >
>

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[Franklin Naval]

A

-Franklin

[Renato Shibutani]

A, 

[weheh]

In the absence of any other options, I would vote for A. Kudos to both
designers for their very professional looking designs. I mostly vote A
because of the aspect ratio and footprint.

That said, I think it's a big missed opportunity if we don't have a
logo that references the python logo in some manner. The key
capability that draws us all to web2py is python. If web2py were based
on Ruby, none of us would be here. Therefore, having the python logo
or some serpentine element somehow incorporated into the web2py logo
would make a lot of sense to me since it would create instant brand
recognition and association with the much larger python community.

[Yarko Tymciurak]

the python logo is a registered trademark, and copyrighted....

[Yarko Tymciurak]

On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 10:47 PM, Álvaro Justen [Turicas] <alvaro...@gmail.com> wrote:

....

alvaro@estavel:~$ python -c 'import this' | grep Simple
Simple is better than complex.

So my vote is for A. :-)

Alvaro!  - I'd forgotten about this easter egg - beautiful way to vote! (and thanks for the reminder! ;-)

- Yarko 

[Richard]

> the python logo is a registered trademark, and copyrighted....

if the python snake was included somehow there wouldn't be a legal
problem. Scipy does this: http://www.scipy.org/images/scipylogo.gif

On Aug 14, 2:41 pm, Yarko Tymciurak <yark...@gmail.com> wrote:
> the python logo is a registered trademark, and copyrighted....
>

[Yarko Tymciurak]

scipy does not use the python snake (the python logo) -
they've created their own, so there is no copyright issue -
also not the reconizable association weheh calls for... which I think cannot be done

This is the python logo, which weheh refers to:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Python_logo.svg

[Richard]

> scipy does not use the python snake (the python logo) -
> they've created their own, so there is no copyright issue -

yep, I reckon incorporating some kind of snake like that would be a
good idea.

On Aug 14, 3:58 pm, Yarko Tymciurak <yark...@gmail.com> wrote:
> scipy does not use the python snake (the python logo) -
> they've created their own, so there is no copyright issue -
> also not the reconizable association weheh calls for... which I think cannot
> be done
>
> This is the python logo, which weheh refers to:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Python_logo.svg
>

[ProfessionalIT]

A
It's clean and more WEB 2.0 style.

[Massimo Di Pierro]

What about this compromise (assuming the two authors agree)?

Massimo

[Timbo]

I think you're missing all the over-whelming votes for A. The mix
that you propose looks lop-sided (what to do with that big, black
space). I too like A the best with the sans-serif font.

If you have space to fill in a new website design, then your better
bet is to add some detail to the A logo that we already like and
enlarge it to fill the space. Adding detail could be any combination
of:

- drop shadow
- 3D form
- add a bezel to the shape
- give the guy in the middle a tie (with two dots for eyes that could
make a snake)
- make the white background transparent
- add texture to the dudes (grid, stipples, lines)

I'm just naming some options. The point is that with you have the
true logo (A) in a cool, grabs-your-attention way but it doesn't undo
the usefulness of the basic icon that it could be without all that
added stuff.

-tim

On Aug 14, 7:40 am, Massimo Di Pierro <MDiPie...@cs.depaul.edu> wrote:
> What about this compromise (assuming the two authors agree)?
>
> Massimo
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[Miguel Lopes]

I also prefer A.
But I like the current logo better and think that it should have been
included in the pool?

[mdipierro]

What do you refer to as "current logo"?

[Jonathan Lundell]

On Aug 14, 2009, at 5:40 AM, Massimo Di Pierro wrote:

> What about this compromise (assuming the two authors agree)?

It's pretty busy, and misses the elegant simplicity of A. (Do you
really need the URL in the logo? The TM?)

If you really need to put the A logo in a square space, try just
moving 'web2py' below the W bug and shrinking it.

[__future__]

I don't think that is a bug but I could be wrong.

I wouldn't mind a lighter font but I still think A is the best of the
2. The font in Massimo's "compromise" is a better than the look of the
original B font which is just too plain, IMO.

Overall, I don't like the "compromise" version. Too big, too busy...
too unbalanced.

Logo's should be simple and easily recognizable.

I also think A does reference the Python Logo a bit, at least in terms
of style. Using a similar font to the Python logo would make it do
that even more so.

[Jonathan Lundell]

On Aug 14, 2009, at 9:15 AM, __future__ wrote:

>
> I don't think that is a bug but I could be wrong.

By 'bug' I mean (in this example) the stylized W, minus the 'web2py'
text.

[__future__]

That is what I thought you were referring to. Do you think it looks
like a bug? I thought it looked like 3 people. I guess it could be
bug... I think our Rorschach results would be quite different :)

[mdipierro]

Yes those are definitively 3 people forming a W and that is what makes
it great.I do not think t looks like a bug at all.

[Yarko Tymciurak]

On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 1:34 PM, mdipierro <mdip...@cs.depaul.edu> wrote:

Yes those are definitively 3 people forming a W and that is what makes
it great.I do not think t looks like a bug at all.

I agree - the more I see this over the months, the more appealing it is...

One quetion, though - if you opted for 2 configurations of the logo (and it makes sense to have
a horizontal and a "squared" version) --- why did you not keep them consistent?  e.g. same font?

I think this is important for consistency.

[mdipierro]

I did not choose. I just posted some options for people here to
choose.

Massimo

On Aug 14, 1:41 pm, Yarko Tymciurak <yark...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Yarko Tymciurak]

my point is still:  why did you not request consitency in the fonts of the two configurations?

[Yarko Tymciurak]

or put another way - this can still be updated:

since there was a majority of preference for the font of the "squared" configuration,
would you ask the author of the wonderful icon to match?  or (as I did) have the author
of the latter do an overlay of the horizontal logo with the same font used in the squared version?

Thanks,
Yarko

[Yarko Tymciurak]

not to tell you what to do with your Logo, Massimo - just my request to consider...

[Jonathan Lundell]

On Aug 14, 2009, at 11:12 AM, __future__ wrote:

> That is what I thought you were referring to. Do you think it looks
> like a bug? I thought it looked like 3 people. I guess it could be
> bug... I think our Rorschach results would be quite different :)

I'm sorry I ever used the term. I mean "bug" not in an entomological
sense, but rather as an informal term of logo-design art.

Most (though not all) modern logos consist of two main elements: an
ideogram (or symbol, or emblem, or visual) and a logotype, a
typographically distinct rendering of the name. The ideographic
portions is sometimes referred to as the "bug".

For example Sun's logo uses a bug on the left and a logotype on the
right:

[mdipierro]

I am sure he is reading this so I hope he will post a sample here.

On Aug 14, 2:00 pm, Yarko Tymciurak <yark...@gmail.com> wrote:
> or put another way - this can still be updated:
>
> since there was a majority of preference for the font of the "squared"
> configuration,
> would you ask the author of the wonderful icon to match?  or (as I did) have
> the author
> of the latter do an overlay of the horizontal logo with the same font used
> in the squared version?
>
> Thanks,
> Yarko
>

> On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 1:55 PM, Yarko Tymciurak <yark...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > my point is still:  why did you not request consitency in the fonts of the
> > two configurations?
>

[hcvst]

B

Although A looks better at the moment B has, in my opinion, more
potential to evolve into sth unique and memorable.

The appeal of A (and I was initially going to vote for A) might just
be that it captures web2.0 fashion very well.
But why look like everyone else?
I feel that A is static whilst B is flexible and open for improvement/
adjustment as web fashion changes. A bit like the
labels on products that have been around for 100 years or so.

Thanks for the great work to both of you.

HC

On 13 Aug., 18:29, Massimo Di Pierro <MDiPie...@cs.depaul.edu> wrote:
> Two logos have been proposed for web2py. I love them both and I would  
> like your opinions. Here they are attached.
>
> Which one should go on the main web2py page and the book?
>
> Vote A for the logo with the W and B for the logo with the globe.
>
> Poll is open for 48 hours starting now.
>
> Massimo
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[Francisco]

Well I like more logo A, it's more simple (as everybody has already
pointed out).
Yet I think the logo fails to describe what web2py is. Well I'm no
designer though, so I just might not get it.
But the logo is very web 2.0.

[waTR]

I like A. Lots of respect to both designers for the time they put in.

On Aug 14, 12:00 pm, Yarko Tymciurak <yark...@gmail.com> wrote:
> or put another way - this can still be updated:
>
> since there was a majority of preference for the font of the "squared"
> configuration,
> would you ask the author of the wonderful icon to match?  or (as I did) have
> the author
> of the latter do an overlay of the horizontal logo with the same font used
> in the squared version?
>
> Thanks,
> Yarko
>

> On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 1:55 PM, Yarko Tymciurak <yark...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > my point is still:  why did you not request consitency in the fonts of the
> > two configurations?
>

[Joe Barnhart]

I'd like to see the graphic "W" be combined with the word "web2py",
eliminating the small "w". I think it makes a stronger graphic.
(Apologies to Massimo for sending and re-sending the suggestion while
trying to post... ;)

[Carl]

A handful of points:

1. It would be useful to supply both logos on a black background as
well as white.
Having a logo that works on a broad range of backgrounds means it can
be applied in a broader range of situations.

2. Printing in black and white is becoming rarer but it would be
useful to have a design that works well in black and white. Could both
logos be displayed transposed to black and white?

3. from web2py.com's home page: "agile development of fast, secure and
portable database-driven web-based applications"
The name 'web2py' covers the web-based attribute. Neither logo
'invokes agile/fast/secure/portable'. Option A invokes 'group/team/
social' and 'B' invokes a sense of geography/location or
comprehensiveness.

4. One interesting test of a logo is to remove any wording and see
what remains says about the product/service.

C

On Aug 13, 5:29 pm, Massimo Di Pierro <MDiPie...@cs.depaul.edu> wrote:
> Two logos have been proposed for web2py. I love them both and I would  
> like your opinions. Here they are attached.
>
> Which one should go on the main web2py page and the book?
>
> Vote A for the logo with the W and B for the logo with the globe.
>
> Poll is open for 48 hours starting now.
>
> Massimo
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[Joe Barnhart]

Seriously guys -- why have the "W" occur in the logo twice?

[Yarko Tymciurak]

I think that generally looks nice, but should be an "alternate" Logo -
I still think we also need the original w/ the full word because it is important to be able to separate the icon and the "branded" name, if / when needed on a site or book.

_and_ I still prefer either of the other fonts

[Bottiger]

I think it may be ok to remove the regular W, but it is a little too
chunky compared to the other letters right now.

On Aug 15, 1:06 pm, Yarko Tymciurak <yark...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I think that generally looks nice, but should be an "alternate" Logo -
> I still think we also need the original w/ the full word because it is
> important to be able to separate the icon and the "branded" name, if / when
> needed on a site or book.
>
> _and_ I still prefer either of the other fonts
>

> On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 1:34 PM, Joe Barnhart <joe.barnh...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> > Seriously guys -- why have the "W" occur in the logo twice?
>
> > [image: Web2py.png]
>
>
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[mdipierro]

I think one thing is settled. We will use the W for the logo.
The issue remains on the fonts for the web2py text and whether it
should not include the w.
For flexibility reasons as illustrated by Jonathan the W and the text
should be separate (so that the text can go below or on the side).
About the text one thing is important: we must use a royalty free
font. Any proposal?

Massimo

[weheh]

The logo without the "w" is confusing IMHO. There's nothing wrong with
using the leading graphic that kind'a-sort'a looks like a "w" (I don't
really see the "w" myself) as a stand-alone abbreviation, but when you
tack it on to the eb2py it looks like the product is called 'eb2py'.
At least, that is, to my eyes.

[Jonathan Lundell]

On Aug 15, 2009, at 3:00 PM, mdipierro wrote:

> I think one thing is settled. We will use the W for the logo.
> The issue remains on the fonts for the web2py text and whether it
> should not include the w.
> For flexibility reasons as illustrated by Jonathan the W and the text
> should be separate (so that the text can go below or on the side).
> About the text one thing is important: we must use a royalty free
> font. Any proposal?

Are royalties an issue for font licenses, given that we're not
redistributing the font? (I have no idea.)

That said, Latin Modern Sans Quotation bold isn't bad:

[Jailson Brito Jr.]

I vote for A. The concept of that logo is great, but I think it could be even better.
--
Jailson Brito Jr.

2009/8/15 Jonathan Lundell <jlun...@pobox.com>

There are some other variations along those lines.

[Bottiger]

Here are some more logos I whipped up as amusement. I don't have a
strong preference either way, maybe we will find some inspiration from
looking at these.

http://imgur.com/Y2XZu.png
http://imgur.com/1zrdp.png
http://imgur.com/vh5gY.png
http://imgur.com/QHeZD.png

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[weheh]

I'm sure MDP wants this logo ASAP for the final draft of book v2.

However, this thread sounds somewhat like there's still some pent up
creative juice
out there to optimize the logo further. I don't recall there ever
having been an official logo competition ... it seems to have
proceeded somewhat ad hoc. I'm not speaking for myself, in
particular,
but it seems like some others might want to get into the game.

I've been involved with numerous startups and their logo selection
processes way more than I would like. Sounds like there's an
opportunity here for a simple little web2py app that would be of
interest to small businesses and possibly attract them to use web2py:


- Display a gallery of logos that are submitted by all comers
- let visitors vote once per logo and let them change their vote up
until a specific date
- let visitors see the average vote per logo and how many people
voted
for that logo
- leave the new logo upload function open for awhile so people can
hone and refine their ideas
- let the voting period start after the logo upload has been open
awhile and end a couple of weeks after that


MDP obviously has the right to have final say on the logo. He might
want to reward the winner with an acknowledgement, bragging rights,
and eventually, a logo'd trinket.


Eventually, with logos, one needs a document describing permitted
usage. There should be reversed versions of the logo on light and
dark
backgrounds. If the logo has an icon, it should be specified whether
the logo can be represented by the icon alone. Copyrights on logos
are
important as they are original artwork. This document should probably
ultimately appear on the web2py website.


I'm sure the logo voting app would be useful to many small businesses
in the social networking space who want to get community feedback for
a group identity. See this example done recently with Ruby:
http://www.spinyc.com/galleries/12/list'


Apologies if this is repeating someone else in this very long and old
logo thread.

[mdipierro]

Historically this is what happened...

1) People started submitting logos more than one year go. Early logos
were posted here:
http://www.web2py.com/AlterEgo/default/show/97
2) We called for a competition on this list but no new logos were
submitted. We did not have a formal vote of existing logos because I
had the feeling there was not overwhelming majority for either of
them.
3) More recently I received the two new logos I posted here. To me
they both looked very professionally done so I asked you people.

I have no opposition to build an app to solve problems like this one
and if you build one I will post it on appliances. But in the end we
need to make a choice and the sooner the better considering how long
this issue has been around. It seems to me everybody likes logo A so I
have included it in trunk. I too like ti a lot (it has the W, it gives
a sense of community, it is simple to remember, it is clean).

Nothing prevents revising the logo over time and, in particular,
change the fonts for the text.

Massimo

[weheh]

Amen.

[Tim McNamara]

Massimo,

Slightly off topic - related to the screenshot of the website
redesign.

I recommend putting "read this first" at the top of that right hand
list, or ideally at the top of the left-hand list. This allows people
who come to the page for the first time to get to it quickly:
http://www.useit.com/alertbox/reading_pattern.html.

-tim
http://twitter.com/timClicks

On Aug 15, 12:40 am, Massimo Di Pierro <MDiPie...@cs.depaul.edu>
wrote:

> What about this compromise (assuming the two authors agree)?
>

> Massimo
>
>  logo.tiff
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[Peterle]

One thing is for sure: now, web2py has a logo (see the top of the
home page), a very simple one, and is the bare script "web2py", white
and orange color, dark-grey background. That's the fact, that's how I
submitted my version of the logo following that pattern.


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[Miguel Lopes]

On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 3:21 PM, mdipierro<mdip...@cs.depaul.edu> wrote:
> On Aug 14, 8:57 am, Miguel Lopes <mig.e.lo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I also prefer A.
>> But I like the current logo better and think that it should have been
>> included in the pool?
>
> What do you refer to as "current logo"?
>

The one displaying on the top left of web2py.com.
I'm aware it's just formatted font. But I still like it!

[mdipierro]

Try the new one.. http://www.web2py.com

The fact I posted it does not prevent us form working more on the
fonts and page layout.

Thank you Peter for the logo.
Thank you Mateusz for the new page background and css.

Massimo

On Aug 16, 6:00 am, Miguel Lopes <mig.e.lo...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Yarko Tymciurak]

...if you don't see the new logo, be sure to clear your browser cache...

[Yarko Tymciurak]

re: css;  I find the orange links hard to read now...

[Bottiger]

Is it just me or is the logo edge a bit blurry?

On Aug 16, 11:11 am, mdipierro <mdipie...@cs.depaul.edu> wrote:
> Try the new one..http://www.web2py.com

[Jonathan Lundell]

On Aug 16, 2009, at 11:11 AM, mdipierro wrote:

> Try the new one.. http://www.web2py.com
>
> The fact I posted it does not prevent us form working more on the
> fonts and page layout.
>
> Thank you Peter for the logo.
> Thank you Mateusz for the new page background and css.

It looks nice (though the w3 validation is a disaster; you might go
for xhtml transitional rather than strict as a start).

One visual problem: the orange-on-light-orange 'web2py' in the footer
isn't readable.

[Jonathan Lundell]

On Aug 16, 2009, at 11:23 AM, Bottiger wrote:

>
> Is it just me or is the logo edge a bit blurry?

The anti-aliasing, especially of the dark orange against the
background, isn't quite right.

[__future__]

There seems to be some a couple of odd pixels in the "2" of the
logo...

The orange links are harder to read now especially the web2py link in
the footer...

On Aug 16, 1:15 pm, Yarko Tymciurak <yark...@gmail.com> wrote:
> re: css;  I find the orange links hard to read now...
>

> On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 1:13 PM, Yarko Tymciurak <yark...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > ...if you don't see the new logo, be sure to clear your browser cache...
>

> > On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 1:11 PM, mdipierro <mdipie...@cs.depaul.edu>wrote:
>
> >> Try the new one..http://www.web2py.com

[Jonathan Lundell]

On Aug 16, 2009, at 11:15 AM, Yarko Tymciurak wrote:

> re: css; I find the orange links hard to read now...

A note on that. The logo orange is now 242,148,0. This works well for
large patches, but in general it's necessary to use a darker color for
on-screen text, at least normal-size text. The reason is that anti-
aliasing tends to wash out the color, and the text ends up looking
lighter than it really ought to based on its nominal color.

I suggest finding a darker orange for the text, to give a little more
contrast, experimenting for the right visual effect.