Diploma in IT
DanielCorkill
Discovered that it costs $4020!!!
This is crazy fees. I’m willing and able to complete this course but cannot spend that much coin.
What has happened to TAFE? Can the average person who is not eligible for any government assistance afford this? I think not!
Well done NSW. Well done.
Tara Whitie
Yes I totally agree, I only did Diploma in 2014 after completing Cert 4 in 2013 as the price hikes I couldn't afford...so glad I made that decision....Maybe go on the dole, then you might get some help with the cost.....Sad solution really.....
Regards
Tara Whitie
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tayo wegner
I hear hp printers are great for making certificates and much cheaper too.
Or you could always ask cornflakes to have a special promotion. You'll just have to eat alot of cornflakes to check the bottom of the box.
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Jeanette Learned
Tayo that's a bit mean! Have a look at the course description on training.gov, diplomas are intended for people supervising a team, not for coders. Not my idea, that's supposedly what 'industry' wants.
And we never could work out whoindustry is..
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> - an even bigger issue might be whether you are going to get what you pay for. if you do decide to do diploma, make sure you get a list of subjects and how many hours you get for each such subject. Because it looked to me like there was twice as many hours of project management and OH and S than on actual technical subjects.
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Tara Whitie
I am still doing further education as my skill set for my job title (web developer) was not met at TAFE, sometimes I feel I'm winging it and sometimes I feel I know what is expected of me from my clients.
On saying that I feel blessed to still be associating with many of you on a personal level so we can bounce design ideas, coding practices and business leads around and generate industry in the mountains to sustain our livelihoods.
Regards
Tara Whitie
P 02 4784 1163
M 0449 684 588
W http://tarawhitie.com/
F https://www.facebook.com/tarawhitiewebdesign/
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2016 12:40:38 +1100
Subject: Re: [webdesign] Diploma in IT
From: jeanie....@gmail.com
To: web-design...@googlegroups.com
Dolores Turró
Tyrrell, Colin
I wasn’t going to comment on this topic but … Dolores is right – the only winners currently seem to be the private colleges some of whom are charging up to $25,000 per diploma.
A couple of comments –
As a registered training organisation we (TAFE) are required to follow the federally endorsed courses – so a Dip Web or Dip IT or Dip Sys Admin are all national courses. All we can do is pick which electives are taken – and I try to do get a reasonable amount of practical units in them. All diplomas are aimed at supervisory roles – in fact many colleges do the least amount of practical as possible – I have seen a couple of Dip IT that have no practical units – all theory.
As to pricing: this regulated in NSW by the state government through State Training Services who set the fees for all courses (non-commercial) up to and including Cert IV. It includes some diplomas that are classified targeted priority courses (which mean they cost you less) This year the Diploma IT is a targeted priority course for our institute.
So we(TAFE) do not set the price on these courses. Standard VET-Fee help diplomas are set at commercial rates and in NSW there is a minimum fee set by the government – which is what TAFE has been charging. For these courses the fee is our sole source of funding for the course.
The Blue Mountains Dip IT.
I offered this for Sys Admin and Web as it is less than half the standard VET-Fee help price for diplomas. (and if you have a benefit it is $240!!) (the best I can do)
It has 2 independent streams and each stream is roughly the same as the old dip web and sys admin course. So there has been no increase in theory units for either strand. A student does not do all the units listed.
The thing TAFE needs is more students
Colin Tyrrell
Head Teacher.
Information Technology and Business
Blue Mountains College
Mitchell Street, Wentworth Falls, NSW, 2782
Phone: (02) 4753 2124 | Fax: (02) 4753 2050
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Subject: Re: [webdesign] Diploma in IT
In the meantime the only “winners" are private colleges…
Dolores Turró
On 16 Jan 2016, at 12:40 PM, Jeanie Rosebug <jeanie....@gmail.com> wrote:
The mysteries of "industry"... yes, we had no idea who in "Industry" was actually being asked either - it certainly wasnt the people advertising employment! Maybe that information should be disclosed in order to validate the claims being made by TAFE about "industry approved"... OR maybe the tafe could listen to the students - the ones who pay the money and read the job listings - about what they want instead. After all, arent they customers now?
And why on earth would a diploma in web design from a technical college be aimed at people supervising a team? who came up with that idiocy? Surely people attending a course in web design want more skills in web design..skills based on say...webpage creation? or in..... design?
Maybe the tafe should change the name of the course to reflect this and just call it - " diploma in team leadership in a technical environment" instead of misleading people who think they are paying over $4000 to learn actual technical skills, (the kind of skills you read in seek job descriptions.)
where is the advanced javascript? web security? e-commerce? SEO rankings and site data analysis? new design trends in CSS? joomla? Advanced wordpress? css class libraries and online resources? css animation? basic games design? - thats just the beginning.
also - what happened to those wonderful teacher supervised multilevel tutorial session where students helped each other that were happening at tafe when i started? they were great. Learned quite a lot from fellow students.
That the kind of course that would be worth paying for.
even short courses that were specifically technical - one subject only - would be better value.
hi Tara! has Piper Alpha Mark 2 called yet for their report? That was a six months epic analysis! I wasnt even at tafe and i still remember all of you angsting over that. wasnt that the six months of web design course where you did absolutely no coding whatsoever?
On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 5:31 PM, Jeanette Learned <jlear...@gmail.com> wrote:
Tayo that's a bit mean! Have a look at the course description on training.gov, diplomas are intended for people supervising a team, not for coders. Not my idea, that's supposedly what 'industry' wants.
And we never could work out whoindustry is..
On 15/01/2016 12:35 PM, "tayo wegner" <lia...@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> Or you could always ask cornflakes to have a special promotion. You'll just have to eat alot of cornflakes to check the bottom of the box.
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Tyrrell, Colin
Pricing update – I hate how things change continually.
Evidently, it is not all benefits that get a discount – it seems to be only those with a disability pension, and possibly Aboriginal/Torres Strait Islanders.
As always check with admin
Sorry about the miss information
Colin Tyrrell
Head Teacher.
Information Technology and Business
Blue Mountains College
Mitchell Street, Wentworth Falls, NSW, 2782
Phone: (02) 4753 2124 | Fax: (02) 4753 2050
From: Tyrrell, Colin
Sent: Tuesday, 19 January 2016 9:19 AM
To: 'web-design...@googlegroups.com'
Subject: RE: [webdesign] Diploma in IT
I wasn’t going to comment on this topic but … Dolores is right – the only winners currently seem to be the private colleges some of whom are charging up to $25,000 per diploma.
A couple of comments –
As a registered training organisation we (TAFE) are required to follow the federally endorsed courses – so a Dip Web or Dip IT or Dip Sys Admin are all national courses. All we can do is pick which electives are taken – and I try to do get a reasonable amount of practical units in them. All diplomas are aimed at supervisory roles – in fact many colleges do the least amount of practical as possible – I have seen a couple of Dip IT that have no practical units – all theory.
As to pricing: this regulated in NSW by the state government through State Training Services who set the fees for all courses (non-commercial) up to and including Cert IV. It includes some diplomas that are classified targeted priority courses (which mean they cost you less) This year the Diploma IT is a targeted priority course for our institute.
So we(TAFE) do not set the price on these courses. Standard VET-Fee help diplomas are set at commercial rates and in NSW there is a minimum fee set by the government – which is what TAFE has been charging. For these courses the fee is our sole source of funding for the course.
The Blue Mountains Dip IT.
I offered this for Sys Admin and Web as it is less than half the standard VET-Fee help price for diplomas. (and if you have a benefit it is $240!!) (the best I can do)
It has 2 independent streams and each stream is roughly the same as the old dip web and sys admin course. So there has been no increase in theory units for either strand. A student does not do all the units listed.
The thing TAFE needs is more students
Colin Tyrrell
Head Teacher.
Information Technology and Business
Blue Mountains College
Mitchell Street, Wentworth Falls, NSW, 2782
Phone: (02) 4753 2124 | Fax: (02) 4753 2050
From:
web-design...@googlegroups.com [mailto:web-design...@googlegroups.com]
On Behalf Of Dolores Turró
Sent: Monday, 18 January 2016 6:56 PM
To: web-design...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [webdesign] Diploma in IT
In the meantime the only “winners" are private colleges…
Dolores Turró
On 16 Jan 2016, at 12:40 PM, Jeanie Rosebug <jeanie....@gmail.com> wrote:
The mysteries of "industry"... yes, we had no idea who in "Industry" was actually being asked either - it certainly wasnt the people advertising employment! Maybe that information should be disclosed in order to validate the claims being made by TAFE about "industry approved"... OR maybe the tafe could listen to the students - the ones who pay the money and read the job listings - about what they want instead. After all, arent they customers now?
And why on earth would a diploma in web design from a technical college be aimed at people supervising a team? who came up with that idiocy? Surely people attending a course in web design want more skills in web design..skills based on say...webpage creation? or in..... design?
Maybe the tafe should change the name of the course to reflect this and just call it - " diploma in team leadership in a technical environment" instead of misleading people who think they are paying over $4000 to learn actual technical skills, (the kind of skills you read in seek job descriptions.)
where is the advanced javascript? web security? e-commerce? SEO rankings and site data analysis? new design trends in CSS? joomla? Advanced wordpress? css class libraries and online resources? css animation? basic games design? - thats just the beginning.
also - what happened to those wonderful teacher supervised multilevel tutorial session where students helped each other that were happening at tafe when i started? they were great. Learned quite a lot from fellow students.
That the kind of course that would be worth paying for.
even short courses that were specifically technical - one subject only - would be better value.
hi Tara! has Piper Alpha Mark 2 called yet for their report? That was a six months epic analysis! I wasnt even at tafe and i still remember all of you angsting over that. wasnt that the six months of web design course where you did absolutely no coding whatsoever?
On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 5:31 PM, Jeanette Learned <jlear...@gmail.com> wrote:
Tayo that's a bit mean! Have a look at the course description on training.gov, diplomas are intended for people supervising a team, not for coders. Not my idea, that's supposedly what 'industry' wants.
And we never could work out whoindustry is..
On 15/01/2016 12:35 PM, "tayo wegner" <lia...@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> I hear hp printers are great for making certificates and much cheaper too.
> Or you could always ask cornflakes to have a special promotion. You'll just have to eat alot of cornflakes to check the bottom of the box.
>
>
Jeanie Rosebug
Colin:
The complaints made on this thread are not necessarily being directed to you if, as your email response implies, you can’t actually do anything about them anyway.
Tafe may well need more students, but they aren’t very likely to get them as things stand. And that is a big shame as these kind of courses are invaluable to this community. Let me clarify that - Courses that provide valuable technical expertise to people who are seeking employment are invaluable for this community. I doubt that the Blue Mountains are suffering from a lack of project managers.
The current IT courses being put together at BM tafe are not meeting the requirements of students in this area. Students are leaving the courses and having to go elsewhere to learn the skills they need. And it can’t be just a “national accreditation” situation either, as students are going to Mt Druitt Tafe, not necessarily to private colleges. There may be some administrative restrictions to elective picking that I am unaware of, but then this needs to be addressed.
If as you say, all diploma level subjects are aimed for supervisory positions, then the course either needs restructuring to make it more relevant, or a relevant course needs to be created to teach advanced technical skills.
Or provide short technical courses and teach the subjects separately.
I am not sure of what your role as course supervisor entails, it never seemed relevant to me when I was a student. I am only aware that you were the first port of call when it came to raising an issue, but that despite students repeatedly requesting more technical subjects, the situation didn’t improve greatly when I was there – (though I do remember and appreciate your effort in having Adobe Indesign taught – being able to use InDesign has been one of the skills that has provided actual paid work for me. ) From what I have heard the situation has only got worse since I left, with numerous technical teachers having their hours cut.
The next port of call in regards to these issues appears to be Justin Thomas. I am also unaware of what his role is in TAFE management, but like many former students, I have read the email he sent to Sam Asschers and Blair Kavanaugh. That was a very contemptuous way to treat “paying customers”, and hardly likely to attract new ones.
Whose role is it, exactly, to approach State Training Services with feedback and information about community needs/relevant regional course choices in regards to training?
In Geelong, Bendigo and Ballarat in Victoria, Tafe is setting up technical centres. Why isn’t BM tafe looking at something like this?
As to pricing, once again. You are simply the first person in line to receive the complaints. If you can’t do anything about this, surely the most appropriate thing to do is to refer students to the correct person to talk to, or to lodge complaints with. Though as a former student it did seem extremely inconsistent to have two head teachers presumably being paid at appropriate rates combined with limited hours for actual technical staff. I also think it’s problematic to be paying staff for subjects that students aren’t interested in, and cutting hours for subjects where there is student demand. The adobe classes were always full to overflowing – Yet I understand they are no longer being taught?
If students are being asked to contribute more financially, then why are the courses not being structured to reflect student requests?
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CRAIG PRITCHARD
Front End Web Developer
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Needless to say, that's not the kind of message TAFE will want to be conveying, but its becoming more of a reality as viable learning options become wider and cheaper.
Jeanie Rosebug
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