Indian summer

[xmetman]

This October just keeps on going...

[Scott Whitehead]

Don't we need a couple of severe frosts before late warmth can be called an Indian summer?

[xmetman]

Scott

We might have to wait till February for that happen in the SW if it's anything like last year.

Bruce.

[Nick Gardner]

On Saturday, 22 October 2016 13:05:45 UTC+1, xmetman wrote:

We might have to wait till February for that happen in the SW if it's anything like last year.

Not quite here Bruce, my first frost of last winter was on the 9th January with a bone-numbing -0.9°C.

Another glorious day here with unbroken sunshine all day so far and a maximum of 14.1°C. With barely a breath of wind it was rather pleasant having an afternoon's snooze in the hammock soaking up that warm sunshine.

Next week looks like being good as well once Monday's rain clears away. This could end up a very sunny October indeed.

--
Nick Gardner
Otter Valley, Devon
20 m amsl
http://www.ottervalleyweather.me.uk

[Richard Dixon]

I hope that isobar in that chart slap bang over Whitstable doesn't block out the sun...

If we define winter mildness at 15c it would be interesting to see how frequencies of 15c+ has changed over time for one or two sites for ONDJFM...

Richard

[Tudor Hughes]

On Saturday, 22 October 2016 11:07:14 UTC+1, Scott Whitehead wrote:

Don't we need a couple of severe frosts before late warmth can be called an Indian summer?

      Surely that's asking a bit much.  In 34 years I've had 40 October frosts (1.2 per month) the lowest of which was -3.6°C.  I agree though with the implication that an Indian Summer must be separate from normal summer warmth in order to qualify.

Tudor Hughes, Warlingham, NE Surrey, 557 ft, 169 m. 

[Tudor Hughes]

On Saturday, 22 October 2016 23:29:39 UTC+1, Richard Dixon wrote:

I hope that isobar in that chart slap bang over Whitstable doesn't block out the sun.... 

If we define winter mildness at 15c it would be interesting to see how frequencies of 15c+ has changed over time for one or two sites for ONDJFM...

Richard

Don't worry - it looks more like over Faversham to me.  I don't think this High, if it materialises, will produce high temperatures, certainly not enough to be labelled an Indian Summer.

    Since the end of June the weather has been pleasant but bland.  There's simply no action and frankly I'm getting bored with it. In everyday life terms it's pretty well ignorable, though at the moment (4.50 a.m. Sunday) we have fog, vis about 200 m. Dare I go to bed?

Tudor Hughes, Warlingham, Surrey.  

 

[Trevor Harley]

My first air frost last night (here in the Sidlaws NW of Dundee), -0.8. Hooray.

Trevor

[xmetman]

Even sharper further north.

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║            Lowest Minimum Temperature [°C]          ║

║      1800 - 0600 UTC on Tuesday, 25 October 2016    ║

║                    In WMO Block 03                  ║

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║ # │  WMO  │         Station         │   °C  │   °F  ║

╟───┼───────┼─────────────────────────┼───────┼───────╢

║ 01│ 03047 │Tulloch Bridge           │  -5.0 │  23.0 ║

║ 02│ 03031 │Loch Glascarnoch         │  -3.9 │  25.0 ║

║ 03│ 03044 │Altnaharra               │  -3.6 │  25.5 ║

║ 04│ 03068 │RAF Lossiemouth          │  -2.9 │  26.8 ║

║ 05│ 03063 │Aviemore                 │  -2.8 │  27.0 ║

║ 06│ 03062 │Tain Range               │  -2.7 │  27.1 ║

║ 07│ 03065 │Cairngorm                │  -1.7 │  28.9 ║

║ 08│ 03080 │Aboyne                   │  -1.3 │  29.7 ║

║ 09│ 03066 │RAF Kinloss              │  -1.2 │  29.8 ║

║ 10│ 03904 │Castlederg               │  -1.0 │  30.2 ║

║ 11│ 03979 │Ballyhaise, Cavan        │  -0.2 │  31.6 ║

║ 12│ 03225 │Shap                     │  -0.1 │  31.8 ║

║   │ 03041 │Aonach Mor.              │  -0.1 │  31.8 ║

║ 13│ 03901 │Thomastown               │   0.1 │  32.2 ║

║ 14│ 03072 │Cairnwell                │   0.2 │  32.4 ║

║ 15│ 03037 │Lusa (Skye)              │   0.4 │  32.7 ║

║   │ 03091 │Aberdeen                 │   0.4 │  32.7 ║

║ 16│ 03212 │Keswick                  │   0.5 │  32.9 ║

║   │ 03226 │Warcop                   │   0.5 │  32.9 ║

║ 17│ 03132 │West Freugh              │   0.6 │  33.1 ║

║ 18│ 03230 │Redesdale                │   0.7 │  33.3 ║

║ 19│ 03144 │Strathallan              │   0.9 │  33.6 ║

║   │ 03970 │Claremorris              │   0.9 │  33.6 ║

║ 20│ 03158 │Charterhall              │   1.0 │  33.8 ║

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                 Data courtesy of OGIMET               

[Trevor Harley]

Tulloch Bridge regularly makes the list of coldest places. I wonder where the station is? I must visit.

[Stephen Davenport]

The problem with defining an Indian Summer is that it originally applied only to the north-eastern United States (at least as early as the C18th) and only filtered across the UK in the C19th. Even then it wasn't commonly used until the C20th, and ousted - unfortunately, in my opinion - the perfectly good and poetic "St Martin's Summer" and "St Luke's Little Summer".


Stephen

Indianapolis IN