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Roman Ostapenko

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Jan 23, 2016, 7:39:30 AM1/23/16
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Dear software team,

https://i.gyazo.com/f582a17a982001e14b5dfdc1ec5bfecb.png
This is really bad. 90% of newcomers write there "Mike", "Andrew" and so
on.
This should be changed to "First and last name", for example.

Also I googled question about "e-mail", and as far as I understand,
correct wording is "e-mail", not "email".

-Roman

Pedro Santos Guimarães

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Jan 23, 2016, 8:15:17 AM1/23/16
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Hi Roman

How about "full name"?
I agree about the "e-mail"

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Roman Ostapenko

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Jan 23, 2016, 8:18:16 AM1/23/16
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We may changed it to "full name" and see behavior of users again.

The only weakness I see is:
Full name : Alexander
Name: Alex

:D

-Roman

Stefan Pochmann

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Jan 23, 2016, 8:48:29 AM1/23/16
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On Sat, Jan 23, 2016 at 1:39 PM, Roman Ostapenko <alu...@gmail.com> wrote:

Also I googled question about "e-mail", and as far as I understand, correct wording is "e-mail", not "email".

Says who?

Wikipedia primarily spells it "email": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Email

Jeremy Fleischman

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Jan 23, 2016, 2:55:28 PM1/23/16
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I'm fine with changing name to "first and last name" or "full name". Whoever sends in a PR gets to decide =)

I personally prefer email to e-mail.

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Oleg Gritsenko

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Jan 23, 2016, 3:30:49 PM1/23/16
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Full name is better. I'm against "first and last name".
http://www.kalzumeus.com/2010/06/17/falsehoods-programmers-believe-about-names/


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Roman Ostapenko

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Jan 24, 2016, 4:46:43 AM1/24/16
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Grammar.

Stefan Pochmann

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Jan 24, 2016, 9:15:49 AM1/24/16
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Moron.

Luis J. Iáñez

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Jan 24, 2016, 2:01:24 PM1/24/16
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Let's see, Stefan...

...if with your reply you tried to sound reasonable, I regret to inform you that you didn't.
...if you tried to be constructive, sorry again, you didn't either.
...but if you tried to make fun at someone, congratulations, you managed to do it... on you!

By the way, I also prefer "email" to "e-mail", just because I see way more often "email" than "e-mail".

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Stefan Pochmann

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Jan 24, 2016, 2:55:22 PM1/24/16
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You complain about *me*? I'm the only one here who provided any actual evidence (except Lars also shared some, but I just realized he only sent it to me).

Roman said something that should've come with a reference right away but he didn't provide any. I then asked him for one and I did some research and did provide a good one disagreeing with him. What does Roman do? Drops a snarky useless one-word non-answer. Seriously? I believe the label I used for him is warranted.

(It's btw also by far not the first time Roman has been super annoying, there's a history of it, and I just had enough.)

Roman Ostapenko

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Jan 26, 2016, 12:39:06 PM1/26/16
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"most of the English-speaking world has adopted..."
"email is used as a rule in these and many other publications"
"six instances of email for every e-mail"
These are very weak arguments. I'd even say that it is not arguments at all.

I can't find any other compound noun without hyphen when first word is truncated to one letter. Even with "e-":
https://www.google.com/search?q=e-commerce&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
https://www.google.com/search?q=E-bomb&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
https://www.google.com/search?q=e-mycin&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

"world has adopted the unhyphenated form"
By that logic we may remove all hyphens from all words to spend less time for writing it, and words remain understandable anyway.
First Russian WCA Delegate wrote all posts at forum without capital letters and punctuation marks. After few minutes of reading you begin to understand where sentences start and end, where commas should be etc. It was really fun)

-Roman

On 24.01.2016 21:57, Lars Petrus wrote:

On Sun, Jan 24, 2016 at 11:55 AM, Stefan Pochmann <stefan....@gmail.com> wrote:
except Lars also shared some, but I just realized he only sent it to me

Darn. I keep doing that. Can I blame the Gmail UI? Here it is again:


From http://grammarist.com/style/e-mail-email/:

(Spoiler: it's "email")


E-mail vs. email

A few editorially conservative publications still prefer e-mail to email, but most of the English-speaking world has adopted the unhyphenated form. In a Google News search covering 2011 and the start of 2012, there are approximately six instances of email for every e-mail, a dramatic shift from a couple of years ago. And the unhyphenated form is even more common outside newswriting.

Examples

In non-U.S. English publications, email already beats e-mail by a wide margin. For example, email is used as a rule in these and many other publications:

The News of the World has revealed that its computers have retained an archive of potentially damning emails. [Guardian]

The act of civic engagement also appears to have signed her up to receive Conservative attack ads in her email. [Toronto Star]

The email arrived in Major Paul Morgan’s restricted Defence account in March last year. [Sydney Morning Herald]

Exceptions are still easily found, however:

Mr. O’Neill was up to visit clients, and in an e-mail afterwards, he recounted his observations. [Globe and Mail]

Alterian licenses software to help marketers target their audience, using web content management, e-mail and social media monitoring tools. [Financial Times]

American publications in general are more reluctant than others to let go of e-mail. This is in large part due to the influence of the New York Times, which is notoriously stodgy with tech terms. The Washington Post uses the old form as well: 

Security experts said Monday that millions of people were at increased risk of e-mail swindles after a giant security breach at an online marketing firm. [New York Times]

When Betsy Gorman is working on a real estate contract, she sometimes will drop an e-mail to her partner seeking details. [Washington Post]

But the newer form, as seen below, is increasingly common in the U.S.:

In Washington, as in workplaces across the country, email is a vital—if lamented—thread of work and social life. [Wall Street Journal]

An Orange County Republican Party official is defending an email she sent that portrays President Obama’s face superimposed on a chimpanzee. [Los Angeles Times]



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Lars Petrus

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Jan 26, 2016, 12:39:06 PM1/26/16
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Lars Petrus

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Jan 26, 2016, 12:39:06 PM1/26/16
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You seem really confused.
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