New group member—getting an WBS L2042
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Bill Sallak
Mar 16, 2021, 12:35:01 PM3/16/21
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Hello all,
Thanks for accepting my request to join, especially at what must be an exceptionally tumultuous time for Ward-Beck and WBS enthusiasts.
I will be coming into possession of a WBS L2042 console this summer, kitted out with 16 M470 preamp modules and 16 M472 EQ's. The comms/TV department at my university is rebooting their broadcast studio space and has basically said I can have the board, which is pretty cool of them. (I run the audio production program in the music department, so I'm always on the lookout for solid analog out-of-the-box options.)
I'd be interested in group members' opinions about how to best to use the board and/or its components. The fast and simple answer is to just rack up the pre's and EQ's as outboard units, but I'd rather restore the board and have it in a facility B or C room. I also might have resources down the line to expand the board's empty channels (can you use 460 modules in these boards? etc.).
Photos are attached. The unit looks pretty clean for being installed in 1986/87. Any and all thoughts are appreciated. The links lead to photos I took today. Thanks!
Bill Sallak
Associate Professor of Music, UW-Green Bay
Wesley Pence
Mar 16, 2021, 7:07:07 PM3/16/21
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Welcome, Bill-
Fantastic console and admittedly enviable for those of us that are having some difficulty locating recording modules for broadcast boards.
Also- I wasn't sure where to address additions to the group, but I'd like for my studio partner, Clint Stephenson to join the group. His email is- .
Please confirm , or let me know if I should address this elsewhere.
Cheers.
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Anthony Kuzub
Mar 17, 2021, 12:46:29 AM3/17/21
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A nice era of console. Great switches.
They always Needs a good cleaning :-)
Anthony
Bill Sallak
Mar 17, 2021, 10:22:03 AM3/17/21
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I definitely feel lucky!
Anthony, I'm looking through your YouTube videos and beginning to parse out which parts of a refurb/upgrade I could do myself. The LM201 --> OPA134 op amp replacement is something I'm confident I could do. So, questions:
• Any reason I couldn't do this op amp swap on the 470A (your video is 470R, I think)?
• Any reason I couldn't socket all of the op amps rather than solder them directly to the board?
I'm sure I'll have more questions about the relay and pot upgrades you describe in the video, and also phantom power—this board doesn't have it, but I have no problem using inline phantom power supplies if it's too tricky to install +48V on the board itself.
Thanks again, and happy scanning to Anthony,
B
Anthony Kuzub
Mar 17, 2021, 12:42:48 PM3/17/21
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Lots one could do
If you have some school R and D funds to support the preservation society, I'm sure we could speak to it as a group.
Decoupling caps...
Stepped gains...
New aux pots... Etc etc etc
Did you find the console and module docs okay?
Regards
Anthony
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Bill Sallak
Mar 17, 2021, 1:12:51 PM3/17/21
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I've been finding the documentation ok, in addition to the stuff that actually came with our console and was just on the shelf above the board.
All of those improvements would be something I'd be interested in (I think they were mentioned in the videos as well). I've got a budget for "lab improvements" that would go to this project; in terms of parts etc., it's no problem.
My state university system is super-weird and super-tight about where their money goes, so direct support of WBSps from those funds would be a real challenge. However, since this is such a specialized job, there might be a way to support Anthony et al. as (a) consultant(s). I'll need to do some research on that. My hope is that, confronted with "the alternative is to freight everything to Canada," my school would understand.
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Bill Sallak
Mar 17, 2021, 5:48:16 PM3/17/21
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Quick update: Anthony, if you're amenable to doing a consulting thing, invoicing us through those means, and putting those funds toward WBSps, I've got sign-off from my dean to do that. Let me know if you want to work out particulars off-list or however.
Looking forward,
B
Charles Beauregard
Mar 18, 2021, 9:53:30 PM3/18/21
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Definitely ones of the cleanest M470 I have seen. No broken switches ?
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Bill Sallak
Mar 18, 2021, 11:06:29 PM3/18/21
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I haven't gone through channel by channel yet (my TV colleagues still need it for the rest of spring semester; I'll take physical possession of it in May), but the only problems anyone has found in their normal work are some VU meters whose lamps have gone out. I'm sure there's something yet to find, but it basically looks to be in good shape. Also haven't heard the jackfield yet...though I'm sure all of those little holes pointing upwards have caught some dust or crud over time.
Looking forward,
B
Anthony Kuzub
Mar 19, 2021, 7:54:01 AM3/19/21
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I can really do any consulting (conflict of interest) but I can post publicly on the forum. Post what you can and the group can walk you through almost anything
The bulbs are long gone, but there are some LEDs that can be retrofitted
Anthony
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Bill Sallak
Mar 19, 2021, 8:20:59 PM3/19/21
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All of this sounds good, and I really appreciate everyone taking the time to read and reply. Once I get my hands on the console and get past the obvious cleaning and troubleshooting, I'll be back with some more specific questions.
Cheers,
B
Anthony Kuzub
Mar 19, 2021, 10:56:38 PM3/19/21
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10bucks says it's not been cleaned in a while... there is a process and it's finicky
maybe your school could create a video for the WBSps.ca on how to clean them?
Anthony
Bill Sallak
Mar 21, 2021, 4:31:31 PM3/21/21
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This would work great—I am pretty sure it hasn't been cleaned in quite some time, and doing a series of videos (for separate steps) would be a great way to document it. It'll be a good chance to demo general console-cleaning techniques along with anything WBS-specific and/or finicky. I'm sure we can make this happen.
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