Re: [ward5] Fwd: [Brookland] Menomale and Noyes
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Apr 3, 2012, 9:52:58 AM4/3/12
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Sorry for the Re-Post. Wanted to see a few things. 1. how long it took Brookland Yahoo Moderators to list this on the List serv and 2. Didn't want this to be missed since this is not about Debbie, Racine, Rob, liquor lic. etc. Maybe some of you fair minded folks will help see how long it does take since it went to some personal emails and ask why should I be moderated because I touch on topics that causes the eyelids to be peeled back.
Hello Alexander,
I wanted to address a few things. There are some statements that I wanted to lend you a little perspective to from someone else point of view:
- "But, I would hope that at the very least we can recognize when an issue is about race and when it is not" - There are two issues here:
1. The first is that support/not support of the application is not about race. Initially and probably still the opposition is an issue about Kids and their Safety that was brought up by the school and the Church.
2. The second was the eyeopening prejudicial spinoff as the support for the establishment was so immediate vs. others. Whatever you see the reason being, I can only tell you that it smells like day old fish laying in the hot sun to the Black community when this occurs. Obviously there was a prejudice there; whatever each one of us linked that prejudice to is our personal belief and view.
- so when you follow up, with "and to me, the request for a restaurant license near a rehab center/school is not about race", here is the issue that you may not see. Here we have:
1. A School - while there are liquor stores on "every" corner here in the city, there is a reason that this was allowed. You don't see this in white communities. While I do not agree that a sit down Pizza place with a "Master Italian Pizza Maker' serving beer/alcohol should have their Liquor Licence protested, the issue here is that there should be a compassionate/empathetical approach to understanding WHY the School and Church might have their reservations - inclusive of the fact that the concern is not selling of alcohol to students as someone suggested (don't know why) but more so a safety issue. What they are probably seeing is that this is already a very busy intersection and high traffic strip compared to most others and to the School and the Church, it may increase the probability of drunk driving incidents - hence safety issues for the Kids.
By the way, I was sarcastic using the word "Master Italian Pizza Maker" up above because, along with the comment comparing the cupcake place to "childhood obesity" is a reach in any explanation - a REACH that no Black person that I know of would make - which brings me to this being part of my response to Taylor Armstrong about looking at emails addresses and knowing what race a person is. Not saying 100%, but pretty damn close, we have our indicators. Anyways, I will be addressing that email later this week/soon as I have some time in a few parts just for informational/educational purposes for those who don't already know. It might be eye opening from a cultural perspective and even though that email doesn't really warrant a response, I don't want a few to swim in the "Taylor got him/them" "you tell him/them" pool if ignorance.
For those Brookland Yahoo List Serv Members who like polls, - we took a poll at the office and the cafe with a few folks - Taylor, so you get it, the fact that it was a Pizza and Beer Joint was the first clue without even looking at the email addresses. . That simply is not a CUISINE and Alcohol mix that gets Black folks all riled up. Now, MM facilities, Liquor Stores, Middle Schools, Education, Jobs - the probability goes way up - we're in - that boils our blood. NO ONE who I spoke to about Pizza and Beer got the excitement. Hell, some (including me) can't remember when last we had Pizza and Beer and as a matter of Fact, some had never had BEER with pizza.
2. rehab center - I don't think that this was an initial issue but the fact that this Rehab Center is positioned here is probably more by design than not because there is no place that sells Alcohol of any kind anywhere close. I wouldn't put a Alcohol Rehab in a location next to a restaurant that sold liquor, especially if the focus is on beer as well as having outdoor serving. The scent alone is counterproductive and could be just as inviting to an addict. Just like you could want a COLD ONE on a hot day, so can an addict. Sure, addicts can walk by this situation anywhere but adjacent to where they live is an understandable concern. So you know BEER SMELLS, Scent travels, and Scent is the beginning of taste.
To wrap the two School/Rehab Center together, please understand the concerns of a community that is trying to lessen the issues for their children and addicted adults. That is also a role the Churches and Schools participate in - exerting their influence to protect their flock.
- So Alexander, when you say "Circumstances, comments, perceptions, and people can certainly make this into a race issue - YES. Maybe you can see how now - starting from the beginning issue of resounding initial support for one establishment vs. others all the way to not understanding the concern for the safety of our kids and even the sobriety of our adults who are trying to get their life together - how this may be viewed.
- "but it is the responsibility of everyone in the community, regardless of skin color, to ensure that this does not happen" - Resounding YES but remember the law - every action has a reaction - the total lack of understanding of concerns that exists within a culture who are currently a majority and been here for a long long time - hence the issues that some are having with the "gentrification"/"Whites" moving into the city (and don't respond with the definition of gentrification as I know it). Understanding the culture should be part of this re-entry and whether you like it or not, opening your mind to perspective is huge in making the integration easier.
- So when you make a statement of "A climate of distrust is not the way towards progress", - while you might see progress as to include pizza and beer, that is not even in our scope as a priority towards "progress". However, when you and others EMBRACE what Grown, Intelligent, Educated Women are really saying when they represent a universal Black Cultural feeling and ask for an explanation to why there is such resounding support for one establishment vs. others, then we can then develop a climate of trust on the way towards progress!!
Rob Ransom is right. When a white person exerts a position directly, they are being assertive or in this case using a HYPERBOLE; if it is a black person, it is aggressive or in this case, THREATENING. I speak only from experience and I am definitely not flying by the seat of my pants.
No signature. See if you know who this is by just my writing style!!
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Hello Alexander,
I wanted to address a few things. There are some statements that I wanted to lend you a little perspective to from someone else point of view:
- "But, I would hope that at the very least we can recognize when an issue is about race and when it is not" - There are two issues here:
1. The first is that support/not support of the application is not about race. Initially and probably still the opposition is an issue about Kids and their Safety that was brought up by the school and the Church.
2. The second was the eyeopening prejudicial spinoff as the support for the establishment was so immediate vs. others. Whatever you see the reason being, I can only tell you that it smells like day old fish laying in the hot sun to the Black community when this occurs. Obviously there was a prejudice there; whatever each one of us linked that prejudice to is our personal belief and view.
- so when you follow up, with "and to me, the request for a restaurant license near a rehab center/school is not about race", here is the issue that you may not see. Here we have:
1. A School - while there are liquor stores on "every" corner here in the city, there is a reason that this was allowed. You don't see this in white communities. While I do not agree that a sit down Pizza place with a "Master Italian Pizza Maker' serving beer/alcohol should have their Liquor Licence protested, the issue here is that there should be a compassionate/empathetical approach to understanding WHY the School and Church might have their reservations - inclusive of the fact that the concern is not selling of alcohol to students as someone suggested (don't know why) but more so a safety issue. What they are probably seeing is that this is already a very busy intersection and high traffic strip compared to most others and to the School and the Church, it may increase the probability of drunk driving incidents - hence safety issues for the Kids.
By the way, I was sarcastic using the word "Master Italian Pizza Maker" up above because, along with the comment comparing the cupcake place to "childhood obesity" is a reach in any explanation - a REACH that no Black person that I know of would make - which brings me to this being part of my response to Taylor Armstrong about looking at emails addresses and knowing what race a person is. Not saying 100%, but pretty damn close, we have our indicators. Anyways, I will be addressing that email later this week/soon as I have some time in a few parts just for informational/educational purposes for those who don't already know. It might be eye opening from a cultural perspective and even though that email doesn't really warrant a response, I don't want a few to swim in the "Taylor got him/them" "you tell him/them" pool if ignorance.
For those Brookland Yahoo List Serv Members who like polls, - we took a poll at the office and the cafe with a few folks - Taylor, so you get it, the fact that it was a Pizza and Beer Joint was the first clue without even looking at the email addresses. . That simply is not a CUISINE and Alcohol mix that gets Black folks all riled up. Now, MM facilities, Liquor Stores, Middle Schools, Education, Jobs - the probability goes way up - we're in - that boils our blood. NO ONE who I spoke to about Pizza and Beer got the excitement. Hell, some (including me) can't remember when last we had Pizza and Beer and as a matter of Fact, some had never had BEER with pizza.
2. rehab center - I don't think that this was an initial issue but the fact that this Rehab Center is positioned here is probably more by design than not because there is no place that sells Alcohol of any kind anywhere close. I wouldn't put a Alcohol Rehab in a location next to a restaurant that sold liquor, especially if the focus is on beer as well as having outdoor serving. The scent alone is counterproductive and could be just as inviting to an addict. Just like you could want a COLD ONE on a hot day, so can an addict. Sure, addicts can walk by this situation anywhere but adjacent to where they live is an understandable concern. So you know BEER SMELLS, Scent travels, and Scent is the beginning of taste.
To wrap the two School/Rehab Center together, please understand the concerns of a community that is trying to lessen the issues for their children and addicted adults. That is also a role the Churches and Schools participate in - exerting their influence to protect their flock.
- So Alexander, when you say "Circumstances, comments, perceptions, and people can certainly make this into a race issue - YES. Maybe you can see how now - starting from the beginning issue of resounding initial support for one establishment vs. others all the way to not understanding the concern for the safety of our kids and even the sobriety of our adults who are trying to get their life together - how this may be viewed.
- "but it is the responsibility of everyone in the community, regardless of skin color, to ensure that this does not happen" - Resounding YES but remember the law - every action has a reaction - the total lack of understanding of concerns that exists within a culture who are currently a majority and been here for a long long time - hence the issues that some are having with the "gentrification"/"Whites" moving into the city (and don't respond with the definition of gentrification as I know it). Understanding the culture should be part of this re-entry and whether you like it or not, opening your mind to perspective is huge in making the integration easier.
- So when you make a statement of "A climate of distrust is not the way towards progress", - while you might see progress as to include pizza and beer, that is not even in our scope as a priority towards "progress". However, when you and others EMBRACE what Grown, Intelligent, Educated Women are really saying when they represent a universal Black Cultural feeling and ask for an explanation to why there is such resounding support for one establishment vs. others, then we can then develop a climate of trust on the way towards progress!!
Rob Ransom is right. When a white person exerts a position directly, they are being assertive or in this case using a HYPERBOLE; if it is a black person, it is aggressive or in this case, THREATENING. I speak only from experience and I am definitely not flying by the seat of my pants.
No signature. See if you know who this is by just my writing style!!
On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 7:24 AM, Debbie Smith-Steiner <DLSmi...@msn.com> wrote:
Ms. Woodland,And who called you to join in on the attack of Debbie Smith on the Listserve? Please get a life. It is so funny that you would take the time to write something like this at 1 am, that it shows your mentality.My Pastor and I had a good laugh about all of the phone calls he has received about me lately. And just to let you all know, he told me I must be doing something right.Now on to the important things in life .....
Positive change is right around the corner!Debbie Smith,
You are corupt and like confusion. You never get the facts correct before speaking. You spend your life trying to exspell the evil that lurk you onto others, fortunately the evil is embedded to deep within you that it can't fall apon us. You are a jelious and decietful individual who set out to destroy the characters of others because your own unfulfilled expectation. Let the facts speak for themselves! I HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH METROPOLIS CLUB COMING TO ANC5B04. MAYBE YOU SHOULD SPEND TIME HELPING YOUR COMMMISSIONER WITH YOUR ISSUES ON 6TH STREET. You need to do the Ward 5 community a favor and stay off the listserv. You continue to put GOD,s words in vain, but we can see behind the front. STOP THIS, PLEASE STOP!!!
Rayseen
Debbie Smith-Steiner <DLSmi...@msn.com> wrote:
Positive change is right around the corner!
Begin forwarded message:From: Debbie Smith-Steiner <dlsmi...@msn.com>
Date: March 28, 2012 6:16:58 PM EDT
To: Nolan Treadway <nolant...@gmail.com>
Cc: Lisa Holley <holl...@yahoo.com>, Taylor Armstrong <Taylor.A...@gmail.com>, Heather Roby <hmr...@gmail.com>, Vaughn Bennett <vaughn_...@yahoo.com>, "Broo...@yahoogroups.com" <Broo...@yahoogroups.com>, mjcusc78 <Ha...@aol.com>
Subject: Re: [Brookland] Menomale and NoyesNolan,Please be mindful of a couple of things while you are putting information out in the public.First, Metropolis was brought in by Harry Thomas Jr. and the prior ANC Rayseen Woodland. And even though the community was able to show where DCRA should not approve there license, it happened. The liquor store that you are referring to, which is around the corner, sells packaged liquor only. Metropolis runs day programs only. The rehabilitation establishment is living quarters for 12 step individuals.
While I am in support on new business moving in to our communities, they can not setup shop just anywhere they want. Next, Menomale, who will be selling alcohol beverages for consumption, should be held to the standards set forth and enforced by DC - period; they are moving into a location where other entities have roots.I am a life long resident of Ward 5. I have been fighting for years for amenities for our community. However, when CM's allow for social programs of all types to move in before a business, then those new business suffer and so does the community who wants them. The owners of menomale should have done its homework before setting up shop. If this business that you want so much did its due diligence, there would not be this war on words or against an ANC on these listserve's.I would encourage everyone to go to dc.gov; pull up the LIMS, then read the 'Advisory Neighborhood Commission Act' 1997. Please read it thoroughly and then read the oath of office that an ANC swears by; then let's talk.As a prior ANC with 10 years of experience who followed the law you job is hard but the laws are written for a reason.In addition please read this:The Glover Park ANC voted to increase the cap of the 16-year long moratorium to bring in two more restaurants at its last meeting, held on Tuesday, March 6th. Glover Park, which has been struggling to be seen as an attractive hangout for years, flirted with the idea of lifting the cap entirely, but residents concerns that the neighborhood would turn into a raucous bar crawl influenced its decision to request an extension from the Board.
In requesting the renewal of an existing moratorium pursuant to D.C. Official Code § 25-352, ANC 3B must establish to the Board that the present conditions in the moratorium area, based upon the appropriateness standards set forth in D.C. Official Code §§ 25-313 and 25-314, justify an extension of the moratorium. These standards include the effects of any establishment in the area on (1) real property values; (2) peace, order, and quiet, including the noise and litter; and (3) upon residential parking needs and vehicular and pedestrian safety.
Also please read Title 23-601
Positive change is right around the corner!The Metropolitan facility on Rhode Island Ave and 10th is one or two doors down from a liquor store, so I can't imagine that's what is in question here.on how to find your ANC rep, if you put your address in here, it will tell you what SMD you're in: http://citizenatlas.dc.gov/atlasapps/reporthometab.aspxThen you can view a list of the ANCs in ward 5 here (use the menu on the right to look at Ward 5's 3 ANCs: A, B and C): http://anc.dc.govon the subject of the liquor license for Menomale, I disagree with Commissioner Bennett on this topic, but I'd encourage folks to be more thoughtful before calling for his head. I don't really know Commissioner Bennett very well, but we've spoken a few times. I know that he has fought hard for more transparency and integrity on his ANC (5B) and I respect him for his work in that.I don't live in his SMD, so I don't have to decide if I'd vote for him again (should he run this fall -- I have no idea if he plans to or not), but even though I disagree with him on this topic, I might well vote for him despite Menomale because of the rest of his record. (of course, it's highly hypothetical because it also depends on who might be running against him and how this all gets resolved and all that)--NolanOn Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 12:26 PM, Lisa Holley <holl...@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Heather Roby <hmr...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Brookland] Menomale and Noyes
To: "Taylor Armstrong" <Taylor.A...@gmail.com>
Cc: "Vaughn Bennett" <vaughn_...@yahoo.com>, Broo...@yahoogroups.com, "mjcusc78" <Ha...@aol.com>
Date: Wednesday, March 28, 2012, 11:45 AM
Nevertheless, I think that it's not fair to the community to oppose a liquor license because of the proximity of this center and of the school. You should weigh the wants and needs of the entire community and not just the few.I would like to also point out that there are enough liquor stores and places where alcohol can be purchased on 12th, your point about proximity doesn't quite make sense.As for the school distance, I am not sure about the distance - but I personally hope that it's far enough away that they do end up getting their license.I know your posture at this moment is a bit defensive, and I want you to know that people are just upset that you didn't let them know what was going on and what you were thinking. By not being transparent, you prevented folks from providing you feedback that would enable you to make a well rounded fair decision that represents the wants of the entire community.I really hope that you review all the emails sent and requests of you to back this license and reverse your decision for the good of the community. Please be fair to everyone.HeatherOn Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 11:30 AM, Taylor Armstrong <Taylor.A...@gmail.com> wrote:
Thank you for the explanation. Agree or disagree, at least we understand the opposition.It would have been easy to say this initially though, without anyone's anonymity being disclosed - all you needed to do was mention the rehabilitation center's proximity, and I think everyone would at least have understood the concern.Taylor
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