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David Boothroyd

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The nominations for the Welsh Assembly are out. The big surprise is that
the Conservative candidate in Pontypridd failed to get her nomination papers
in on time.

WELSH ASSEMBLY CANDIDATES

BOROUGHS

CARDIFF, CENTRAL

Mark Drakeford Lab
Julian Goss U Soc
Stephen Jones C
Jenny E. Randerson L Dem
Owen John Thomas PC

CARDIFF, NORTH

Susan (Sue) L. Essex Lab
Colin Mann PC
Alastair Meikle L Dem
Jonathan B. Morgan C

CARDIFF, SOUTH and PENARTH

Lorraine Barrett Lab
David Bartlett U Soc
Mary R. Davies C
Tom Davies Ind - Celtic Alliance
John Foreman Ind Lab
Jane Maw-Cornish L Dem
John Rowlands PC

CARDIFF, WEST

Myranna (Myr) Boult C
M. Eluned Bush PC
Dewi Garrow-Smith L Dem
H. Rhodri Morgan MP Lab

SWANSEA, EAST

John G. Ball PC
Peter M. Black L Dem
Valerie (Val) A. Feld Lab
William (Bill) Hughes C

SWANSEA, WEST

Andrew Davies Lab
David C. Evans Ind
John R. Harris P Rep
David (Dai) R. Lloyd PC
John Newbury L Dem
Alec Thraves U Soc
Paul H. Valerio C

COUNTIES

CLWYD, ALYN and DEESIDE

Jeffrey (Jeff) J. Clarke L Dem
John M. Cooksey Ind
Glyn Davies CPB
Neil A. Formstone C
Thomas (Tom) Middlehurst Lab
Ann Owen PC

CLWYD, CLWYD SOUTH

Derek W.L. Burnham L Dem
David R. Jones C
Maurice Jones U Soc
Karen Sinclair Lab
Hywel Williams PC

CLWYD, CLWYD WEST

Robina L. Feeley L Dem
Alun J. Pugh Lab
Roderick (Rod) Richards C
Eilian S. Williams PC

CLWYD, DELYN

Eleanor Burnham L Dem
Marged (Meg) A. Ellis PC
Alison M. Halford Lab
Karen E. Lumley C

CLWYD, VALE of CLWYD

Siôn Brynach PC
Gwynn A. Clague Ind - Dem. All. Wales
M. Ann Jones Lab
D. Phillip (Phil) Lloyd L Dem
David A.P. Pennant Ind
David I. Roberts Ind
A. Robert Salisbury C

CLWYD, WREXHAM

Felicity A.L. Elphick C
John Marek MP Lab
Janet Ryder PC
Carole G.T. O'Toole L Dem

DYFED, CARMARTHEN EAST and DINEFWR

Juliana M-J. Hughes L Dem
Christopher (Chris) W. Llewellyn Lab
Helen Stoddart C
H. Rhodri G. Thomas PC

DYFED, CARMARTHEN WEST and SOUTH PEMBROKESHIRE

William E.V.J. Davies Ind
David G. Edwards C
Graham T.R. Fry TFPW
Christine M. Gwyther Lab
D.J. Roy Llewellyn PC
Roger H. Williams L Dem

DYFED, CEREDIGION

Maria Battle Lab
David Bradney GP
D. Doiran Evans L Dem
Elin Jones PC
Henri Lloyd Davies C

DYFED, LLANELLI

Timothy (Tim) R. Dumper L Dem
L. Ann Garrard Lab/Co-op
J. Barrington (Barrie) Harding C
Helen Mary Jones PC
Anthony G. Popham Ind

DYFED, PRESELI PEMBROKESHIRE

Felix F.E. Aubel C
Conrad L. Bryant PC
Dr. Richard J. Edwards Lab
David G.B. Lloyd L Dem
Alwyn C. Luke Ind

MID GLAMORGAN, BRIDGEND

Alun H. Cairns C
Jeffrey (Jeff) Canning PC
Rob Humphreys L Dem
Allan Jones Ind
Carwyn Jones Lab

MID GLAMORGAN, CAERPHILLY

Rt Hon Ronald (Ron) Davies MP Lab
Michael J. German L Dem
Robert W. Gough PC
Timothy Richards U Soc
Mary Taylor C

MID GLAMORGAN, CYNON VALLEY

Christine Chapman Lab
Edmund R. Hayward C
Phillip (Phil) Richards PC
Alison Willmot L Dem

MID GLAMORGAN. MERTHYR TYDFIL and RHYMNEY

Alun G. Cox PC
Carol Hyde C
Mike Jenkins U Soc
Elwyn Jones L Dem
Huw Lewis Lab
Tony Rogers Ind

MID GLAMORGAN, OGMORE

Janice Gregory Lab
Ralph Hughes Ind
John D. Rogers PC
Christopher (Chris) Smart C
Sheila (Ramsay-)Waye L Dem

MID GLAMORGAN, PONTYPRIDD

Jane Davidson Lab
Roger Griffiths CPB
Bleddyn Hancock PC
Gianni Orsi L Dem
Paul Phillips Ind

MID GLAMORGAN, RHONDDA

Wayne A. David MEP Lab
Geraint Davies PC
Peter Harbins C
Glyndwr Summers Ind
Meurig Williams L Dem

SOUTH GLAMORGAN, VALE OF GLAMORGAN

Christopher (Chris) P. Franks PC
Jane E. Hutt Lab
Frank Little L Dem
David R.M. Melding C

WEST GLAMORGAN, ABERAVON

Captain Beany [Barry Kirk] Ind - New Mill. Bean
D. Keith Davies L Dem
Janet Davies PC
Mary E. Davies C
Brian J. Gibbons Lab
David H. Pudner U Soc

WEST GLAMORGAN, GOWER

Howard W. Evans L Dem
Edwina Hart Lab
Rev. Aled D. Jones C
Dyfan Rhys Jones PC
Richard D. Lewis Ind
Ioan M. Richard P Rep

WEST GLAMORGAN, NEATH

Jill F. Chambers C
David R. Davies L Dem
Nicholas Duncan U Soc
D. Trefor Jones PC
Gwenda Thomas Lab

GWENT, BLAENAU GWENT

Peter J. Law Lab/Co-op
S. Keith Rogers L Dem
David N. Thomas C
Philip (Phil) J.S. Williams PC

GWENT, ISLWYN

Caroline J. Bennett L Dem
Brian J. Hancock PC
Christopher (Chris) Stevens C
Shane Williams Lab

GWENT, MONMOUTH

Anthony R. Carrington Ind - Monmouthshire
David T.C. Davies C
Marc A. Hubbard PC
Christopher (Chris) P. Lines L Dem
Cherry R.P. Short Lab

GWENT, NEWPORT EAST

Alistair R. Cameron L Dem
John Griffiths Lab
Chris K. Holland PC
Mark A. Major C

GWENT, NEWPORT WEST

Rosemary Butler Lab
William Graham C
A. Robert (Bob) Vickery PC
Veronica K. Watkins L Dem

GWENT, TORFAEN

Michael B. Gough Ind Lab
Jean E. Gray L Dem
Lynne Neagle Lab
Ingrid A. Nutt Ind
Stephen P. Smith Ind Soc
Kathleen (Kay) P. Thomas C
Noel G. Turner PC

GWYNEDD, CAERNARFON

Tom Jones Lab
Bronwen Naish C
David P. Shankland L Dem
Rt Hon Dafydd W. Wigley MP PC

GWYNEDD, CONWY

Goronwy O. Edwards Ind
Christine M. Humphries L Dem
David I. Jones C
Gareth Jones PC
Cathryn (Cath) Sherrington Lab

GWYNEDD, MEIRIONNYDD NANT CONWY

Dafydd Elis-Thomas (Lord Elis-Thomas of Nant
Conwy) PC
Denise I. Jones Lab
Owen John Williams C
Graham Worley L Dem

GWYNEDD, YNYS MON

James H. Clarke L Dem
Ieuan Wyn Jones MP PC
Albert Owen Lab
Peter S. Rogers C

POWYS, BRECON and RADNORSHIRE

Prof. Nicholas (Nick) H. Bourne C
Ian Jones Lab
David T. Petersen PC
Michael W. Shaw Ind
V. Kirstyn (Kirsty) Williams L Dem

POWYS, MONTGOMERYSHIRE

Michael (Mick) J. Bates L Dem
E. Glyn Davies C
Christopher (Chris) S. Hewitt Lab
David H. Senior PC

REGIONAL LISTS

MID and WEST WALES

Conservative

1 Prof. Nicholas (Nick) H. Bourne
2 E. Glyn Davies
3 Owen John Williams
4 Felix F.E. Aubel
5 David G. Edwards
6 Helen Stoddart
7 Henri Lloyd Davies
8 J. Barrington (Barrie) G. Harding
9 John Morgan
10 Nigel D. Bowie
11 Kenneth A. Cross

Green Party

1 David Bradney
2 Sarah Scott-Cato
3 Susan M. Walker
4 Timothy Shaw
5 Timothy J. Foster

Independent

1 Suzanne (Suzy) J. Turner

Labour

1 Rt. Hon. Alun E. Michael MP
2 M. Delyth Evans
3 H. Vaughan ap D. Gething
4 Sioned Mair Richards

Liberal Democrat

1 Roger H. Williams
2 Juliana M-J. Hughes
3 R. Graham Brown
4 David G.B. Lloyd
5 D. Doiran Evans
6 Timothy R. Dumper
7 Nicholas (Nick) C. Burree
8 Richard H. Tyler
9 Louis H. Williams
10 David M.S. Gwynant
11 Huw Davies
12 Deanna J. Leboff

Natural Law Party

1 Richard P. Johnson
2 Peter N. Warburton
3 Dierdre Sleenan
4 John E. Edwards
5 Janet Ayliffe
6 Roger P. Edwards
7 Anne Marie Scott

Plaid Cymru

1 Helen Mary Jones
2 Cynog G. Dafis MP
3 Delyth Richards
4 David H. Senior
5 David T. Peterson
6 Simon Thomas
7 Elenor E. Bonner-Evans
8 Alun Lloyd Jones

Socialist Labour Party

1 Richard G.W.P. Booth
2 Miriam Bowen
3 Martha Page-Harries
4 George D. Tofarides

NORTH WALES

Communist Party of Britain

1 Glyn D. Thomas
2 Alfred Williams
3 Greg Foster
4 Kenneth W. Davies

Conservative

1 Roderick (Rod) Richards
2 Peter S. Rogers
3 David I. Jones
4 Karen E. Lumley
5 Neil A. Formstone
6 David R. Jones
7 Bronwen Naish
8 Felicity A.L. Elphick
9 Robert A. Salisbury
10 Janet E. Finch-Saunders
11 Jacqueline E. Jones
12 Merfyn Thomas

Green Party

1 James. E. Killoch
2 Christopher C. Busby
3 Robin F. Welch
4 Klaus A. Braun
5 Angela W. Loveridge
6 Alexandra Jane Plows
7 Kathryn Turner
8 Gwilyn Morris
9 Sarah J. Collick

Labour

1 Tom Jones
2 Margaret Pritchard
3 Eifion W. Williams
4 Nia Roberts

Liberal Democrat

1 Christine M. Humphreys
2 Eleanor Burnham
3 D. Philip (Phil) Lloyd
4 Robina L. Feeley
5 Jeffrey (Jeff) J. Clarke
6 Carole G.T. O'Toole
7 James H. Clarke
8 Derek W.L. Burnham
9 David P. Shankland
10 Thomas P. Rippeth
11 John T. Jones
12 Paul J. Brighton

Natural Law Party

1 David Hughes
2 Thomas Mullins
3 Jean Leadbetter
4 Gwyndaf Evans
5 Susan Parry

Plaid Cymru

1 Janet Ryder
2 Siôn Brynach
3 Fflur G. Roberts
4 Gwynfor Owen
5 Eilian S. Williams
6 Ann Owen
7 Hywel Williams
8 Paul J. Rowlinson

Rhyddlan Debt Protest Campaign

1 Colin L. Hughes
2 David K. Neal

United Socialists

1 Maurice Jones
2 Janet Williams
3 David Clarke
4 Lyn Owen

SOUTH WALES CENTRAL

Communist Party of Britain

1 Robert Griffiths
2 Dominic Macaskill
3 Owen Griffiths
4 Frances Rawlings

Conservative

1 Jonathan B. Morgan
2 David R.M. Melding
3 Stephen Jones
4 Susan Inglefield
5 Peter Hobbins
6 Edward R. Hayward
7 Mary R. Davies
8 Myranna (Myr) Boult
9 Dorothy Turner
10 Maureen Kelly-Owen
11 Philip Meyer
12 Clarissa Box

Green Party

1 Kevin Jakeway
2 John Matthews
3 Vivien Turner
4 Christopher J. Von Ruhland

Independent

1 Alun Mathias

Independent

1 Paul Phillips

Labour

1 H. Rhodri Morgan MP
2 Susan (Sue) L. Essex
3 Ken Hopkins
4 Wendy Morgan

Liberal Democrat

1 Jenny E. Randerson
2 Gianni Orsi
3 Jacqueline-Anne (Jacqui) Gasson
4 Alison L. Willott
5 Alastair Meikle
6 Meurig Williams
7 Jane Maw-Cornish
8 Frank Little
9 Rodney Berman
10 A. John Dixon
11 Nigel Howells
12 Jonathan Aylwin

Natural Law Party

1 Helen Evans
2 Brian Francis
3 Barbara Caves
4 Geoffrey Salt

Plaid Cymru

1 Pauline Jarman
2 Owen John Thomas
3 Eluned Bush
4 Bleddyn Hancock
5 Phil Richards
6 Chris Franks
7 Meic Stephens
8 Carole Willis

Socialist Labour Party

1 Liz Screen
2 Steve Bell
3 Cerian Gotthardt
4 Mary Crofton

United Socialists

1 Nimisha Triveti
2 David Bartlett
3 Rachel Eborall
4 Terry James

SOUTH WALES EAST

Conservative

1 David T.C. Davies
2 William Graham
3 Carole M. Hyde
4 Mary Taylor
5 Christopher (Chris) Stevens
6 Kathleen (Kay) P. Thomas
7 David N. Thomas
8 Mark A. Major
9 David T. Fouweather
10 Ian Oakley
11 Marrilyn J. Smart
12 Ralph Tuck

Green Party

1 Roger W. Coghill
2 Elaine Ross
3 Kevin Williams
4 Robert O.L. Clarke

Labour

1 Angela Ash
2 Brian E. Smith
3 Cherry R.P. Short
4 Miqdad Al-Nuaimi
5 Ian Thomas
6 Timothy Richards

Liberal Democrats

1 Michael (Mike) J. German
2 Veronica K. Watkins
3 Alistair R. Cameron
4 Jean E. Gray
5 Simon K. Rogers
6 Caroline J. Bennett
7 Alwyn V. Jones
8 Christopher P. Lines
9 Russell M. Deacon
10 Huw Price
11 Duncan Anstey
12 Melvyn W. Roffe

Natural Law Party

1 John Ashforth
2 Sian Trenberth
3 Peter Herman
4 Paul Lloyd

Plaid Cymru

1 Jocelyn A. Davies
2 Dr Philip (Phil) J.S. Williams
3 Gillian (Gill) M. Jones
4 Lindsay G. Whittle
5 Marc A. Hubbard
6 Philip (Phil) J. Bevan
7 Alun G. Cox
8 John Taylor

Socialist Labour Party

1 Darren C. Hickery
2 Susan L. Deare
3 Robert J. Morris
4 Peter Bowen

United Socialists

1 Richard Morse

SOUTH WALES WEST

Conservative

1 Alun H. Cairns
2 Christopher (Chris) B. Smart
3 Bill Hughes
4 Paul H. Valerio
5 Jill F. Chambers
6 Rev. Aled D. Jones
7 Mary E. Davies
8 Martyn Ford
9 Wayne Morris
10 David A. Unwin
11 Matthew C. Voisey

Green Party

1 Graham E. (Brig) Oubridge
2 Lee Turner
3 Janet Bronwyn Evans
4 Simon K. Phillips

Labour

1 Mair Francis
2 D. Hywel Francis
3 Robert (Bob) Smith
4 Moira Singh

Liberal Democrat

1 Peter M. Black
2 Robert (Rob) O. Humphreys
3 Howard W. Evans
4 D. Keith Davies
5 Sheila Waye
6 David R. Davies
7 Marilyn Harris
8 Ronald (Ron) L. McConville
9 Cheryl A. Green
10 Alison E. Jenner
11 Norah Page
12 Clayton L. Ritchie

Natural Law Party

1 Neil D. Phillips
2 Diana Leighton
3 Robert A. Johnstone
4 Andrea K. Jarman

People's Representative

1 John R. Harris
2 Ioan M. Richard
3 Peter G. Harris
4 David N. Trollope
5 Margaret L. Harris
6 Peter J. Northcott

Plaid Cymru

1 Janet Davies
2 Dr David (Dai) R. Lloyd
3 Sara E. Reid
4 Delme I. Bowen
5 Stephen Cornelius
6 Dr. John G. Ball
7 Ian R. Titherington
8 Yvonne M. Davies

United Socialists

1 Alec Thraves
2 Alan Thomson
3 Robert Williams
4 Neil MacPherson

TOTAL NUMBER OF CANDIDATES

Constituency Seats

Party Candidates

Lab 40
L Dem 40
PC 40
C 39
Ind 20
U Soc 8
CPB 2
Ind Lab 2
P Rep 2
GP 1
Ind Soc 1
TFPW 1

TOTAL 196

Regional Lists

Party Lists Candidates

L Dem 5 60
C 5 58
PC 5 40
GP 5 26
NLP 5 24
Lab 5 22
U Soc 4 13
S Lab P 3 12
CPB 2 8
P Rep 1 6
Ind 3 3
Ind - Rhyddlan Debt 1 2

TOTAL 44 274

Paul Hyett

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On Fri, 9 Apr 1999, David Boothroyd <da...@election.demon.co.uk> stated
this considered view. To keep the thread going, I replied -

>The nominations for the Welsh Assembly are out. The big surprise is that
>the Conservative candidate in Pontypridd failed to get her nomination papers
>in on time.

Oh no, they've thrown away their chance of winning it then! :)

Seriously though, I wonder how the disenfranchised Tory vote will split
(as if it'd make any difference)!
--
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham, England

Alun Pugh

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In article <david-09049...@election.demon.co.uk>, David
Boothroyd <da...@election.demon.co.uk> writes

>The nominations for the Welsh Assembly are out. The big surprise is that
>the Conservative candidate in Pontypridd failed to get her nomination papers
>in on time.

Its a cunning plan to save 500 quid :-)

>CLWYD, CLWYD WEST
>
>Robina L. Feeley L Dem
>Alun J. Pugh Lab
>Roderick (Rod) Richards C
>Eilian S. Williams PC

And this one is a two horse race. Although every vote counts in the N
Wales list only me and Rod Richards have a realistic chance in Clwyd
West.

Plaid and Lib Dems need to consider who is the more acceptable
candidate.

Alun Pugh
www.welsh-assembly.demon.co.uk

I.K. Ridley

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In article <JMHFeGAP...@welsh-assembly.demon.co.uk>,

>>The nominations for the Welsh Assembly are out. The big surprise is that


>>the Conservative candidate in Pontypridd failed to get her nomination papers
>>in on time.
>

>Its a cunning plan to save 500 quid :-)

Is there a desposit in the assembly elections and what is the min. voted needed
to save it?

WRT to your site:

1) Should it have an imprint?
2) "The UK election in May 98"????? Eeally, I expect better from Millbank.
3) There was no "Lib" candidate in Clwyd West in 1997. There was however a
Lib Dem.
4) Plaid and Lib Dems as "minority parties"? What is a "majority party"?
Certainly not Labour or the Tories as neither polled over 50% in 1997.

Ian Ridley
"Intelligence? Intelligence has nothing to do with politics", Ambassador Londo
Mollari, Babylon 5. Views expressed may not be those of Leicester University
or LU Lib Dems: http://www.le.ac.uk/CWIS/SU/SO/LDSOC/ldsoc.html (includes the
Leics and Rutland Election Archive). Babylon 5 "Crusade" Episode 1 air date
unknown.

Jason Thomas Williams

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What chances do the third place candidates on the list stand? In Mid Wales and
North Wales ?


In article <Kr$w0WAQe...@activist.demon.co.uk>,


Paul Hyett <pah...@activist.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> On Fri, 9 Apr 1999, David Boothroyd <da...@election.demon.co.uk> stated
> this considered view. To keep the thread going, I replied -

> >The nominations for the Welsh Assembly are out. The big surprise is that
> >the Conservative candidate in Pontypridd failed to get her nomination papers
> >in on time.
>

> Oh no, they've thrown away their chance of winning it then! :)
>
> Seriously though, I wonder how the disenfranchised Tory vote will split
> (as if it'd make any difference)!
> --
> Paul Hyett, Cheltenham, England
>

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David Boothroyd

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In article <7eqhsn$o6i$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, Jason Thomas Williams

<jasont...@my-dejanews.com> wrote:
>
> What chances do the third place candidates on the list stand? In Mid Wales and
> North Wales ?

Depends which list they are on. See
http://www.election.demon.co.uk/welsh97.html for how the list seats would
have been allocated on the basis of 1997 general election votes.

Lyn David Thomas

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In article: <JMHFeGAP...@welsh-assembly.demon.co.uk> Alun Pugh
> >The nominations for the Welsh Assembly are out. The big surprise is that
> >the Conservative candidate in Pontypridd failed to get her nomination
> >papers in on time.
>
> Its a cunning plan to save 500 quid :-)

:-) it would be pleasing if this was true - but in reality even
now I think that they could scrape together 5% of the vote in
Pontypridd.

> >CLWYD, CLWYD WEST
> >
> >Robina L. Feeley L Dem
> >Alun J. Pugh Lab
> >Roderick (Rod) Richards C
> >Eilian S. Williams PC
>

> And this one is a two horse race. Although every vote counts in the N
> Wales list only me and Rod Richards have a realistic chance in Clwyd
> West.

I'll grant you that you two are the most likely front runners in this
race, but don't discount the opposition so lightly. Should we only
have contests between two parties in any one seat? A bit undemocratic
I think.



> Plaid and Lib Dems need to consider who is the more acceptable
> candidate.

Thier own I'd imagine.
--
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David J Freeland

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Paul Hyett wrote in message ...

>On Fri, 9 Apr 1999, David Boothroyd <da...@election.demon.co.uk> stated
>this considered view. To keep the thread going, I replied -
>>The nominations for the Welsh Assembly are out. The big surprise is that
>>the Conservative candidate in Pontypridd failed to get her nomination
papers
>>in on time.
>
>Oh no, they've thrown away their chance of winning it then! :)
>
>Seriously though, I wonder how the disenfranchised Tory vote will split
>(as if it'd make any difference)!
>--
>Paul Hyett, Cheltenham, England

I am surprised at this revelation in Pontypridd as I have Susan Inglefield
listed as the candidate. That comes directly from David Boothby's election
site too! Below follows my analysis of the Pontypridd by-election of 1989
which I submitted as part of my Modern Studies dissertation. I do not for
one second expect that the result on May 6 will be identical but it does
perhaps give us a better sense of the constituency:

The Welsh Nationalists have been vying with the Conservatives for
recognition as the second party of Wales. Their claim was substantiated at
Pontypridd in February 1989 after a by-election caused by the death of the
sitting MP.

The opportunity for Plaid Cymru to win was growing even before the writ for
the by-election was moved. At the last round of elections to Taff-Ely
Borough Council, Plaid Cymru held 9 out of 37 wards in the constituency. The
early indications of an opinion poll in the South Wales Echo showed that for
the first time in Wales, local council and Westminster preferences would be
roughly the same. This immediately increased the Nationalists ratings
fivefold. The strong local base in the Pontypridd area was certainly a key
element of the Blaid’s surge.

It also seemed to newspaper readers in Wales that Plaid Cymru were putting
so much pressure on Mrs Thatcher’s Government that Wales was benefiting.
Indeed, a leaked Cabinet paper confirmed that the Llanwern steelworks was to
be located in Wales to see off the Nationalist threat . Key aspects in the
campaign centred on the delayed opening of the new district hospital in
Taff-Ely, the Poll Tax and the controversial construction of a new bypass.
On these issues, the Nationalists campaigned hard for the floating and
disillusioned voters and those who had voted for them at a local level.

At the declaration, Plaid Cymru achieved what they previously could only
have dreamed of in east Wales. Previously they had been identified as “a
cult refined to West Wales and the Welsh-speakers”. This result established
them as a threat to Labour in the Valleys as well. However, at the 1992
General Election, the party’s vote was down from 25% to 9% and then to 6.5%
in 1997. Whatever challenge was mounted in February 1989, it was soon
quashed and normal voting patterns were reinstated. It would seem from this
that Pontypridd wanted to send Mrs Thatcher and Mr Kinnock about South
Wales: it was not to be taken for granted and must be listened to. However,
when the fate of the nation was at stake, the constituency did not want
Labour to potentially lose power because of one seat.

--
Cheerie an-drasda
Have Faith & Make Mezzamorphis A History Maker!
12th April At HMV Stores Everywhere!

Alun Pugh

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In article <7eq3dp$2...@harrier.le.ac.uk>, I.K. Ridley <ik...@le.ac.uk>
writes

>
>Is there a desposit in the assembly elections and what is the min. voted needed
>to save it?

500 quid - and i think its 5% to get it back.

>
>WRT to your site:
>
>1) Should it have an imprint?

it does now - hadn't linked it :-(

>2) "The UK election in May 98"????? Eeally, I expect better from Millbank.

whoops my mishtake - btw this is not a millbank venture

>3) There was no "Lib" candidate in Clwyd West in 1997. There was however a
> Lib Dem.

fair point - changed it.

>4) Plaid and Lib Dems as "minority parties"? What is a "majority party"?
> Certainly not Labour or the Tories as neither polled over 50% in 1997.

Hmmm - not as minority as (say) the nat laws but that doesnt disguise
the fact that clwyd west is indeed a two horse race. It's Rod or me. Lib
Dems and Plaid members may well vote tactically to stop Mr Richards very
own brand of right wing extremism in the constituency ballot.


--
Alun Pugh

Lyn David Thomas

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In article: <david-11049...@election.demon.co.uk>

Which is, off course, unlikely to be anything like the list vote for
awarding seats in the Assembly elections....

Jason Thomas Williams

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I meant re the Labour candidates third and fourth on the lists in North and
Mid Wales. I would of thought Plaid would pick up two list seats in the North
(due to their position in Ynys Mon ,and Caernafon and the Libs in Mid wales
due to their position in Mid wales.

What does the panel think?:)

In article <446171...@stuffing.demon.co.uk>,

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Amanda Baird

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>It also seemed to newspaper readers in Wales that Plaid Cymru were putting
>so much pressure on Mrs Thatcher’s Government that Wales was benefiting.
>Indeed, a leaked Cabinet paper confirmed that the Llanwern steelworks was
to
>be located in Wales to see off the Nationalist threat .

Since Llanwern was built in the late 50s and had been running for quite some
time before the By-Election discussed here, I suspect that this should have
read 'Llanwern Steelworks was located in Wales to see off the Nationanlist
threat.'

Incidentally, I wonder what impact the closure of Ravenscraig, Llanwern's
sister plant, had on the SNP vote in Motherwell. I visited the site just
after its closure, and what must have been a rough area to begin with was
absolutely devastated. In fact, I think that Motherwell at this time was
worse than anything I've seen in the valleys.

David J Freeland

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Amanda Baird wrote in message <7eslep$mmr$1...@barcode.tesco.net>...

>
>
>>It also seemed to newspaper readers in Wales that Plaid Cymru were putting
>>so much pressure on Mrs Thatcher’s Government that Wales was benefiting.
>>Indeed, a leaked Cabinet paper confirmed that the Llanwern steelworks was
>to
>>be located in Wales to see off the Nationalist threat .
>
>Since Llanwern was built in the late 50s and had been running for quite
some
>time before the By-Election discussed here, I suspect that this should have
>read 'Llanwern Steelworks was located in Wales to see off the Nationanlist
>threat.'

This is very probably the case, but this sentence was attributed to an
article from the South Wales Echo so either they got it wrong, or I
mis-read.

>
>Incidentally, I wonder what impact the closure of Ravenscraig, Llanwern's
>sister plant, had on the SNP vote in Motherwell. I visited the site just
>after its closure, and what must have been a rough area to begin with was
>absolutely devastated. In fact, I think that Motherwell at this time was
>worse than anything I've seen in the valleys.
>

Motherwell & Wishaw was a slight anomaly in 1997. There was a swing from the
SNP TO Labour of 0.1&. OK, hardly anything to shout about but the
redevelopment of the area has been slow to come and the pressure has not
been taken off this constituency that is about 3 miles up the road from me.
The current majority in M&W is 12791, meaning that the SNP require a swing
of 17.5% to take it. I expect the majority to decline probably on average
with the rest of the country but it will still be a Labour stronghold on May
7th unless the catastrophe in North Lanarkshire Council knocks the Labour
candidate, Jack McConnell, for six.

Incidentally, McConnell is a huge Blairite and formerly general-secretary of
Scottish Labour at the last election, and there was a massive fight between
him and a TU person, I forget the exact details but I'm now re-evaluating my
projection as I read this...a 10% swing to the SNP? That's a very uninformed
and rough forecast! Feel free to chip in!

--
Cheerie an-drasda
Make It An SNP Hat Trick On May 6th!

Jim Riley

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Apr 17, 1999, 3:00:00 AM4/17/99
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On Fri, 09 Apr 1999 23:10:41 +0000, da...@election.demon.co.uk (David
Boothroyd) wrote:

>The nominations for the Welsh Assembly are out. The big surprise is that
>the Conservative candidate in Pontypridd failed to get her nomination papers
>in on time.

Are the following candidates for constituency and regional seats the
same person?

SWANSEA, EAST
William (Bill) Hughes C

SOUTH WALES WEST
Conservative
3 Bill Hughes
===

DYFED, LLANELLI


J. Barrington (Barrie) Harding C

MID and WEST WALES
Conservative


8 J. Barrington (Barrie) G. Harding

===

MID GLAMORGAN. MERTHYR TYDFIL and RHYMNEY

Carol Hyde C

SOUTH WALES EAST
3 Carole M. Hyde
===

CLWYD, VALE of CLWYD
A. Robert Salisbury C

NORTH WALES
Conservative
9 Robert A. Salisbury
===

MID GLAMORGAN, OGMORE
Christopher (Chris) Smart C

SOUTH WALES WEST
Conservative


2 Christopher (Chris) B. Smart

===

MID GLAMORGAN, BRIDGEND
Rob Humphreys L Dem

SOUTH WALES WEST
Liberal Democrat


2 Robert (Rob) O. Humphreys

===

GWYNEDD, CONWY


Christine M. Humphries L Dem

NORTH WALES


Liberal Democrat
1 Christine M. Humphreys

===

CLWYD, VALE of CLWYD


D. Phillip (Phil) Lloyd L Dem

NORTH WALES
Liberal Democrat


3 D. Philip (Phil) Lloyd

===

MID GLAMORGAN, OGMORE
Sheila (Ramsay-)Waye L Dem

SOUTH WALES WEST
Liberal Democrat
5 Sheila Waye
===

SWANSEA, EAST
John G. Ball PC

SOUTH WALES WEST
Plaid Cymru


6 Dr. John G. Ball

===

CARDIFF, WEST
M. Eluned Bush PC

SOUTH WALES CENTRAL
Plaid Cymru
3 Eluned Bush
===

SOUTH GLAMORGAN, VALE OF GLAMORGAN
Christopher (Chris) P. Franks PC

SOUTH WALES CENTRAL
Plaid Cymru
6 Chris Franks
===

SWANSEA, WEST


David (Dai) R. Lloyd PC

SOUTH WALES WEST
Plaid Cymru


2 Dr David (Dai) R. Lloyd

===

MID GLAMORGAN, CYNON VALLEY
Phillip (Phil) Richards PC

SOUTH WALES CENTRAL
Plaid Cymru
5 Phil Richards
===


Are the following candidates designated as such on the ballot?
If they are elected, are they counted as Labour electees for
purposes of allocating the regional seats?

If they aren't counted as Labour, then isn't this a violation
of the pledge not to run under shadow labels?

And if they are counted as Labour, but on the ballot as Labour/Co-op,
won't this confuse or deceive voters, especially those who might
otherwise split their two votes?

DYFED, LLANELLI
L. Ann Garrard Lab/Co-op

Jim Riley

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On Sun, 11 Apr 1999 19:39:34 +0100, "David J Freeland"
<dav...@nwisnbpouarnmeo.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:

>I am surprised at this revelation in Pontypridd as I have Susan Inglefield
>listed as the candidate. That comes directly from David Boothby's election
>site too!

Though she is listed as the #4 candidate in South Wales Central.


Dyfrig Thomas

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Apr 17, 1999, 3:00:00 AM4/17/99
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On Sat, 17 Apr 1999 08:21:41 GMT, jim...@pipeline.com (Jim Riley)
wrote:

>Are the following candidates for constituency and regional seats the
>same person?

>SWANSEA, EAST
>John G. Ball PC
>


>SOUTH WALES WEST
>Plaid Cymru

>6 Dr. John G. Ball

Yes


>CARDIFF, WEST
>M. Eluned Bush PC
>
>SOUTH WALES CENTRAL
>Plaid Cymru
>3 Eluned Bush
>===

Yes


>SOUTH GLAMORGAN, VALE OF GLAMORGAN
>Christopher (Chris) P. Franks PC
>

>SOUTH WALES CENTRAL
>Plaid Cymru
>6 Chris Franks

Yes
>SWANSEA, WEST


>David (Dai) R. Lloyd PC
>

>SOUTH WALES WEST
>Plaid Cymru

>2 Dr David (Dai) R. Lloyd

Yes


>MID GLAMORGAN, CYNON VALLEY
>Phillip (Phil) Richards PC
>
>SOUTH WALES CENTRAL
>Plaid Cymru
>5 Phil Richards

Yes


>Are the following candidates designated as such on the ballot?
>If they are elected, are they counted as Labour electees for
>purposes of allocating the regional seats?
>
>If they aren't counted as Labour, then isn't this a violation
>of the pledge not to run under shadow labels?
>
>And if they are counted as Labour, but on the ballot as Labour/Co-op,
>won't this confuse or deceive voters, especially those who might
>otherwise split their two votes?
>
>DYFED, LLANELLI
>L. Ann Garrard Lab/Co-op
>

>GWENT, BLAENAU GWENT
>Peter J. Law Lab/Co-op

I presume that they will use the Red Rose logo. Other than that I can
not comment.
Dyfrig Thomas


Siop y Werin - Siop Lyfrau a Cherddoriaeth
Welsh Books and Music Shop
www.preseli.com/siopywerin

David Boothroyd

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In article <374e4493....@news.pipeline.com>, jim...@pipeline.com wrote:
> On Fri, 09 Apr 1999 23:10:41 +0000, da...@election.demon.co.uk (David
> Boothroyd) wrote:
>
> >The nominations for the Welsh Assembly are out. The big surprise is that
> >the Conservative candidate in Pontypridd failed to get her nomination papers
> >in on time.
>
> Are the following candidates for constituency and regional seats the
> same person?

[snip list]

On my website, the candidates list for regional list seats includes
a reference to the constituencies (if any) they are fighting.
The address is http://www.election.demon.co.uk/welshcand.html

> Are the following candidates designated as such on the ballot?
> If they are elected, are they counted as Labour electees for
> purposes of allocating the regional seats?
>

> And if they are counted as Labour, but on the ballot as Labour/Co-op,
> won't this confuse or deceive voters, especially those who might
> otherwise split their two votes?

As far as I know, Labour and Co-operative candidates appear as such
on the ballot paper. If elected they count as Labour members. The
Co-operative Party was separately registered (no. 2) on the list of
political parties but presumably the register takes account of the
agreement between the Labour Party and the Co-operative Party, and
registration was simply to prevent candidates falsely claiming to be
from the Co-operative movement.

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