"Wales Decides 2007"
Green Arrow
Wales correspondent reports.
Last night ITV were advertising a programme to be shown live on ITV
Wales called "Wales Decides 2007" - which is to be screened on
Thursday 5 April 2007 at 23:00.
They stated that the programme would have a member from each party on
the show that are standing in the elections, and it would take the
format of "Question Time" - where a live audience in Llanelli would
question the panel.
As you can imagine I was rather excited about the programme, but
unfortunately this was short lived.
On checking the write-up on the ITV Wales web site, it stated that the
only parties to be involved were the Labour, Conservatives, Liberals
and Plaid Cymru. So where was the BNP I asked myself - after all they
did state all parties did they not?
The ITV Wales web site said the following:
WALES DECIDES 2007
Thursday 5th April at 11.00 - 11.30 p.m on ITV1 Wales
With barely a month before the Welsh National Assembly Elections, Mai
Davies chairs an open debate between the voters of Llanelli and an all-
party panel of politicians. Jane Hutt, David Melding, Peter Black and
Rhodri Glyn Thomas will represent the views of the Labour,
Conservative, Liberal Democrat and Plaid Cymru parties.
There'll also be reports on how the campaign's going both locally and
nationally and a sideways looks at what's happening from political
commentator Gareth Hughes and cartoonist Mumph.
The first of exclusive ITV Wales polls will be revealed.
Conducted by NOP they are the only reputable guide to voting
intentions before polling day on May 3. The invited local audience in
Llanelli will raise both national and local issues with the
politicians in a live discussion that should prove both lively and
informative.
Emails to ITV Wales deleted without being read!
Disgusted, I emailed ITV Wales twice, asking for an explanation and
requested that they reconsider inviting the BNP, as we too are
involved in the elections and they are clearly not playing a fair game
by omitting us from the programme.
I have since received 2 email receipts from them stating that both of
my emails were deleted without even being read. How on earth can
anyone believe that we live in a free and democratic country when
parties such as ours are rejected by the media especially at such
crucial times as this? We should be allowed to put our views across
just like the other parties, it is an absolute disgrace to British
democracy.
So I have now tried writing to them instead.
Letter to ITV Wales:
Dear Sirs,
On Thursday 5 April 2007, an open debate will be shown at 23:00 hours
on ITV Wales. You say this will consist of all parties involved in the
lection, which is not strictly true as there is no mention of the BNP
taking part!
I would like to know why you have omitted to invite a representative
from the BNP as they too have 20 candidates standing for the Assembly
on 3rd May.
Is this not supposed to be a democratic society where freedom of
speech is allowed, or is it that you are frightened to invite a
representative from the BNP knowing that when the people of Wales hear
what they have to offer a majority of the voters will vote for them?
Come on ITV Wales stand up and be counted and do the honourable thing
by inviting a representative of the BNP onto your show.
We await their response (if any) with much interest.
Wales British National Party - the Real Party of Wales.
Doh
>>From
Fuck off you cunt.
Green Arrow
No. You fuck off.
I love a good debate.
Jay
I tried this many times with the BBC regarding Question Time.
Never responded to any communication at all.
They seem to think that ignoring the question will make it go away,
yet it just makes us stronger.
Mel Rowing
> >From the BNP News site with regards to the lack of democracy in Wales.
> On checking the write-up on the ITV Wales web site, it stated that the
> only parties to be involved were the Labour, Conservatives, Liberals
> and Plaid Cymru. So where was the BNP I asked myself - after all they
> did state all parties did they not?
Yes!
That is why your lot were left out!
Jay
Why's that then?
Mel Rowing
Because the BNP have nothing to show to the electorate other than a
handful of local council seats. In terms of electoral support both The
Greens and UKIP enjoy better. You will note that they are not included
above either. Their claim is stronger than yours.
Further representatives of other parties would be prepared to
participate with them.
At the end of the day, people want to listen to those who who not only
have something to offer beyond appeal to base bigotry but also are in
with a chance at the count. The BNP simply carries with it no
respectibility as neither did the NF from which it was spawned going
back through its family tree to Mosley's League of Facists.
Jay
> On 4 Apr, 11:33, "Jay" <j...@pcandy.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > On Apr 4, 10:07 am, "Mel Rowing" <mel.row...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
> > > On 3 Apr, 23:29, "Green Arrow" <votefor...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > > > >From the BNP News site with regards to the lack of democracy in Wales.
> > > > On checking the write-up on the ITV Wales web site, it stated that the
> > > > only parties to be involved were the Labour, Conservatives, Liberals
> > > > and Plaid Cymru. So where was the BNP I asked myself - after all they
> > > > did state all parties did they not?
>
> > > Yes!
>
> > > That is why your lot were left out!
>
> > Why's that then?
>
> Because the BNP have nothing to show to the electorate other than a
> handful of local council seats. In terms of electoral support both The
> Greens and UKIP enjoy better. You will note that they are not included
> above either. Their claim is stronger than yours.
Maybe they're not standing.
>
> Further representatives of other parties would be prepared to
> participate with them.
They refuse to debate with the right because they are afraid.
they are afraid that the public will see through their lies.
> At the end of the day, people want to listen to those who who not only
> have something to offer beyond appeal to base bigotry but also are in
> with a chance at the count.
Sounds like that's what you want, what *people* want is another
matter.
What democracy demands is yet another matter.
> The BNP simply carries with it no
> respectibility as neither did the NF from which it was spawned going
> back through its family tree to Mosley's League of Facists.
No respectability? What, like labour's respectability?
jb
"Mel Rowing" <mel.r...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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Mel Rowing
> "Mel Rowing" <mel.row...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
>
> > At the end of the day, people want to listen to those who who not only
> > have something to offer beyond appeal to base bigotry but also are in
> > with a chance at the count. The BNP simply carries with it no
> > respectibility as neither did the NF from which it was spawned going
> > back through its family tree to Mosley's League of Facists.
>
> Do you actually understand what the word democracy means,Mel?
It surely doesn't mean that every tin pot organisation operating
through a PO Box and calling itself a political party has right of
audience on a TV debate. The BNP is not a mainstream political party
and it is pretentious for it to masquerade as such. If it really does
hold ambitions in that direction then it must start to broaden its
appeal in terms of both policy and certainly image.
As it stands there is simply no scope for it. Most people are neither
bigots nor foul mouthed thugs.
jb
> On 4 Apr, 12:35, "jb" <babydriv...@postmaster.co.uk> wrote:
> > "Mel Rowing" <mel.row...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
>
> >
> > > At the end of the day, people want to listen to those who who not only
> > > have something to offer beyond appeal to base bigotry but also are in
> > > with a chance at the count. The BNP simply carries with it no
> > > respectibility as neither did the NF from which it was spawned going
> > > back through its family tree to Mosley's League of Facists.
> >
> > Do you actually understand what the word democracy means,Mel?
>
> It surely doesn't mean that every tin pot organisation operating
> through a PO Box and calling itself a political party has right of
> audience on a TV debate.
But it does Mel, it does mean exactly that!
What was it you people used to say?,"Meet them on the hustings and destroy
their arguments with logic and facts", now it has changed to," As we can't
destroy their arguments with logic and facts let us deny them free speech,
let us deny them public access"
As I said Mel, do you really understand what the word democracy means?
On this first response of yours it is obvious that you don't:-))
And what is wrong with tin pots?
You probably piss in one:-))
The PO box is used simply to prevent bigots such as yourself having
somewhere to physically attack.
The BNP is not a mainstream political party
> and it is pretentious for it to masquerade as such. If it really does
> hold ambitions in that direction then it must start to broaden its
> appeal in terms of both policy and certainly image.
Yet on the other hand you would deny it the means to do so at every
opportunity:-))
>
> As it stands there is simply no scope for it. Most people are neither
> bigots nor foul mouthed thugs.
>
Everybody is a bigot Mel, everybody who holds a view opposing the views of
another fulfils the dictionary definition, surely even a teecher can see
that?
As to foul mouthed thugs Mel, can you honestly tell me you have never used
bad language or thumped someone you disagreed with?
If you can Mel then I have good news for you, Jesus will send a chariot of
fire to convey you heavenbound with choirs of Angels as your outriders on
their heavenly Harleys:-)).
God will sit at your right hand:-))
jb
> On 4 Apr, 12:35, "jb" <babydriv...@postmaster.co.uk> wrote:
> > "Mel Rowing" <mel.row...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
>
> >
> > > At the end of the day, people want to listen to those who who not only
> > > have something to offer beyond appeal to base bigotry but also are in
> > > with a chance at the count. The BNP simply carries with it no
> > > respectibility as neither did the NF from which it was spawned going
> > > back through its family tree to Mosley's League of Facists.
> >
> > Do you actually understand what the word democracy means,Mel?
>
> The BNP is not a mainstream political party
And yet the policies of the Government and the Judiciary along with the
perceptions of the fifth estate would seem to suggest that you are wrong
Mel:-))
mel.r...@btinternet.com
> "Mel Rowing" <mel.row...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
> > > Do you actually understand what the word democracy means,Mel?
>
> > It surely doesn't mean that every tin pot organisation operating
> > through a PO Box and calling itself a political party has right of
> > audience on a TV debate.
>
> But it does Mel, it does mean exactly that!
> What was it you people used to say?,"Meet them on the hustings and destroy
> their arguments with logic and facts", now it has changed to," As we can't
> destroy their arguments with logic and facts let us deny them free speech,
> let us deny them public access"
I have no objection to them being on the hustings. We are not talking
of the hustings.
We are talking of a TV programme with a potential audience of
millions. They have no more right to insist on access to that than I
have. Nor have they any right to insist tthat others give their views
substance by debating with them.
Those of whom you disapprove, you have every right to shun.
> As to foul mouthed thugs Mel, can you honestly tell me you have never used
> bad language or thumped someone you disagreed with?
No I can't but it's not something I would be proud of and it would
never be my action of first or even probably last resort.
I'd sooner walk away.
jb
<mel.r...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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> On 4 Apr, 13:25, "jb" <babydriv...@postmaster.co.uk> wrote:
> > "Mel Rowing" <mel.row...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
>
> > > > Do you actually understand what the word democracy means,Mel?
> >
> > > It surely doesn't mean that every tin pot organisation operating
> > > through a PO Box and calling itself a political party has right of
> > > audience on a TV debate.
> >
> > But it does Mel, it does mean exactly that!
> > What was it you people used to say?,"Meet them on the hustings and
destroy
> > their arguments with logic and facts", now it has changed to," As we
can't
> > destroy their arguments with logic and facts let us deny them free
speech,
> > let us deny them public access"
>
> I have no objection to them being on the hustings. We are not talking
> of the hustings.
But we are Mel, the whole purpose of the programme is to allow those who
will be standing to espouse their policies not face to face on the doorstep
to be sure but face to face in their living rooms Mel.
>
> We are talking of a TV programme with a potential audience of
> millions. They have no more right to insist on access to that than I
> have.
But they do Mel, they have that right just as you or I have that right.
The millions in question are being denied their Democratic right to hear all
points of view.
Their Democratic right to listen and then make up their minds who they will
vote for Mel.
I realise that your understanding of Democracy is the result of shallow
thinking Mel, which is why in former posts I have castigated you for being a
teacher and not an educator.
Yet again you fight on shaky foundations based on rote' learning and not on
education.
Nor have they any right to insist tthat( I didn't realise you stuttered
Mel)
others give their views
> substance by debating with them.
There you go Mel, proving once again that you are unable to refute the facts
and seeing your ideals being shown as false, you wish to deny them freedom
of speech.
>
> Those of whom you disapprove, you have every right to shun.
Indeed you do Mel, we call it democracy Mel
> > As to foul mouthed thugs Mel, can you honestly tell me you have never
used
> > bad language or thumped someone you disagreed with?
>
> No I can't but it's not something I would be proud of and it would
> never be my action of first or even probably last resort.
> I'd sooner walk away.
Bye bye then Mel:-))
Green Arrow
I spend 12 years in the Royal Navy and I know what sort of person I
am. I also know that the members of the BNP I have met are decent
people.
You can insult us but you cannot prevent us speaking the truth.
Although in fact the BBC has does a pretty good job at it. I joined
their Wales forum, introduced myself as a BNP supporter and had an
email back barring me within the hour. Some Democracy.
Try supporting the BNP on the IC Wales forums, the least hint of the
truth and you are banned. That is why those forums are dead stagnant
pools of thought. There is no oxygen of freedom to give them life.
Now the ASBOs to close the Bloggers of Truth down.
Check out my new countdown clock to B.N.P. Day on May 3rd.
Tommy
Its amazing how anti-free speach these PC zealots are
jb
"Tommy" <To...@kqwerty.com> wrote in message
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> Surely Democracy means defending the rights of people you disagree with?
>
> Its amazing how anti-free speach these PC zealots are
>
>
>
> jb wrote:
>
> >>>> At the end of the day, people want to listen to those who who not
> >>>> only have something to offer beyond appeal to base bigotry but
> >>>> also are in with a chance at the count. The BNP simply carries
> >>>> with it no respectibility as neither did the NF from which it was
> >>>> spawned going back through its family tree to Mosley's League of
> >>>> Facists.
> >>>
jb wrote
> >>> Do you actually understand what the word democracy means,Mel?
> >
> >>
Mel wrote:-
> >> The BNP is not a mainstream political party
> >
jb wrote
> > And yet the policies of the Government and the Judiciary along with
> > the perceptions of the fifth estate would seem to suggest that you
> > are wrong Mel:-))
>
>
Glad we got that sorted!
Tommy
not even for small or new parties?
look at your history - the Labour party. Plaid , even the SDLP (or whatever)
are fairly recent additions
Sod the individual - the state is more important
If you go down that route - Danger lies!
Green Arrow
The truth of it is this Tommy, the Government should be frightened of
the people not the people frightened of the Government.
Another example is somewhere along the way we allowed the County
Councils to dictate to the electorate and become our Masters instead
of them listening to the electorate.
Mel Rowing
> An interesting debate there.
>
> I spend 12 years in the Royal Navy and I know what sort of person I
> am. I also know that the members of the BNP I have met are decent
> people.
>
> You can insult us but you cannot prevent us speaking the truth.
Like your "Africans for Essex" campaign!
Like the authencity of these documents!