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Robert Grumbine

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Jul 24, 2007, 2:04:31 PM7/24/07
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Hoping the group is stil alive. Very low traffic if so, which
might be good.

I'm just getting started, and as people show up in new areas,
run in to the problem of dealing with new languages. Wales is one.
Any handy translation tables for genealogical terms like
born, died, married, mother, father, aunt, uncle, son, daughter, ...?
Pronunciation hints for someone who's never heard the language?

The Dixon is not something I expect anyone can assist specifically
with given my currently sparse information. But I'm curious whether
the names are more common or less so in Wales (or whether this is
one that almost certainly wouldn't be from Wales at all). So, family
name Dixon (it is her paternal line which is from Wales, if family
lore is right; she might have been born there too). First name is Ada.
She is out of Wales no later than 1890ish, and may never have been
there herself. But the one(s) who moved out did so not before
1800ish, if the time bracketing helps anything.


On the very general side ... were there any particular events in
Wales in the 19th century that would have prompted more emmigration
around certain times?

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Hugh Watkins

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Jul 25, 2007, 4:03:03 PM7/25/07
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Robert Grumbine wrote:
> Hoping the group is stil alive. Very low traffic if so, which
> might be good.
>
> I'm just getting started, and as people show up in new areas,
> run in to the problem of dealing with new languages. Wales is one.
> Any handy translation tables for genealogical terms like
> born, died, married, mother, father, aunt, uncle, son, daughter, ...?
> Pronunciation hints for someone who's never heard the language?

try bbc.co.uk learn welsh

gogle for a welsh glossary

> The Dixon is not something I expect anyone can assist specifically
> with given my currently sparse information. But I'm curious whether
> the names are more common or less so in Wales (or whether this is
> one that almost certainly wouldn't be from Wales at all). So, family
> name Dixon (it is her paternal line which is from Wales, if family
> lore is right; she might have been born there too). First name is Ada.
> She is out of Wales no later than 1890ish, and may never have been
> there herself. But the one(s) who moved out did so not before
> 1800ish, if the time bracketing helps anything.


basicxally use the census
1901 bak to 1841 as aprimary tool

use rootsweb county lists
or genbrit

>
> On the very general side ... were there any particular events in
> Wales in the 19th century that would have prompted more emmigration
> around certain times?
>

the industrial revolution
mines worked out
riots

hunger

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Robert Grumbine

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Jul 26, 2007, 9:10:49 AM7/26/07
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In article <5gpojnF...@mid.individual.net>,
Hugh Watkins <hugh.w...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Robert Grumbine wrote:

[trim]


>> On the very general side ... were there any particular events in
>> Wales in the 19th century that would have prompted more emmigration
>> around certain times?
>>
>
>the industrial revolution
>mines worked out
>riots
>
>hunger

Never realized that the industrial revolution was a singular
event in Wales. When was it?

Any particular years/decades for the mines/riots/famine?

Hugh Watkins

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Jul 26, 2007, 3:57:53 PM7/26/07
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Robert Grumbine wrote:
> In article <5gpojnF...@mid.individual.net>,
> Hugh Watkins <hugh.w...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Robert Grumbine wrote:
>
>
> [trim]
>
>>> On the very general side ... were there any particular events in
>>>Wales in the 19th century that would have prompted more emmigration
>>>around certain times?
>>>
>>
>>the industrial revolution
>>mines worked out
>>riots
>>
>>hunger
>
>
> Never realized that the industrial revolution was a singular
> event in Wales. When was it?
>
> Any particular years/decades for the mines/riots/famine?

read some history books and contemporary newspapers

they had to import irish labour
and with them came the missionaries from Rome

http://www.google.com/search?source=ig&hl=en&q=riots+wales&btnG=Google+Search

"1801. Three Merthyr men were sentenced to death for rioting. 1816 and
1822. Major Strikes and then INSURRECTION 1831 - The Workers and People
of Hirwaun, Aberdare and Merthyr rise up in revolt for Natural Justice,
Trade Union Rights and Political Liberty. The quote above is not unique,
in an expression of 'Welsh Establishment' views on being loyal to the
English Crown and advancing the notion as to the ''pacifity'' of the
Welsh, this had become a Welsh preoccupation since advent of the Tudor
Monarchy upon the throne of England. "

he chief event of the Insurrection 1831 occurred about mid day on the 3
Mehefin 1831 was the massacre of 28 workers and people, in and aound the
Castle Inn. You might be forgiven for not knowing where in Merthyr
Tudful is the site of this most infamous massacre * in the history of
modern Wales, post 1536 'Act of Annexation'.

http://welshpatriot.blogspot.com/2007_05_10_archive.html


The Chartist movement was more popular and influential at certain times
in its history. In early 1839 the Chartists established a National
Convention to oversee their petition. The presentation of the petition
was initially delayed and, before it was presented and rejected, there
had been several disturbances. Following its rejection, several
attempted insurrections or risings took place. The most famous was that
at Newport in Monmouthshire where several thousand people had gone to
rescue Henry Vincent, one of the Chartist leaders, from jail. As they
reached the Westgate Hotel, troops opened fire and in the ensuing
battle, over 20 people were killed. Those captured during the rising
were tried; three were sentenced to death but their sentences were later
commuted to transportation.

Hugh W

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