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Aug 3, 2024, 1:30:59 AM8/3/24
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on a whim googled usb floppy emulator and serch cam back with -floppy-emulator-fdd-to-udd.html which claims to directly replace ANY 3.5 floppy drive 1-to -1 the ipcas unit is around 249 euro 220.00 but have a look on e.bay non branded units at around 40.00 they all originate in china / asia

The Fat Frog has been out of production for several years now. We've moved onto support current media (USB Memory Sticks for example). Although we still support our Fat Frog users, and still create the latest fixture profiles for Fat Frog users, we're not activity developing hardware for the Frog range of consoles.

After installing both drives in both Mambo Frogs, one was working fine, the other was not, after a LOT of mucking around and fault finding, I have discovered that the issues are not with the floppy emulators, but are with the two Mambo Frogs!

It seems that we have two desks with the latest software 10.1 from memory, but one desk has a 2001 mainboard, the other has a 2004 mainboard. The drives (both of them) work fine in the 2004 mainboard, but in the 2001 unit, the drive reads for about 15 seconds, then the desk complains there is no disk. (Remember both desks, same software, exactly same config ect)

Is there some change in the 2004 board, that can be retrofitted to the 2001 mainboard perhaps. It seems that there is a difference in the way the mainboards talk to the floppy drives that upset the communication, even though the emulator communicates exactly like a Floppy drive. Maybe this is the Panasonic issue that affects the emulators as well on the Floppy Emulators?

I can understand your frustration and the problem may well be the difference between the two mainboards used in desks of that vintage. I doubt very much that there's any sort of retrofit to be done with the 2001 desk short of finding a late model mainboard from a scrap desk and transplanting it - at least then the hardware in each would be the same vintage.

In the cold light of day though - it's a 12 year old desk - certainly in accountancy terms, it has no 'book' value and whilst it's still working fine doing it's job - you do find it difficult to say "Sorry old friend - time to replace you..." I suspect though that this is where the story will ultimately end, in the same way that it did for floppy drives in PC's.

I planning on going down the usb route and have a unit waiting to try once the current show is done. I have to say the only bad thing I have ever come across with Zero 88 kit over maybe 20 years is the floppy frives in the Frog desks. It seems they were bought as a dodgy batch as having to format in the desk to make sure the data could then be read is totally contrary with history of 3.5 disks, they are supposed to be interchageable. Each time I want to add another fixture for instance we scrabble around trying to get a floppy to actually work!

Faced with the problem of downloading info to elderly Zero 88 & ETC (sorry) desks, I bought a brand new FDD with USB lead off ebay. Works a treat! i suppose I'm lucky because I have several floppy discs. I have only had to replace one FDD in a Frog, which I suspect was damaged by someone trying to remove a disc mid-write.

Put the drive in no problem. I can format and save a show but at the moment cant get it to recognise fixtures off the usb stick. In parallel I have just reinstalled windows on the pc with the fixture tools, so it could be the ift files are corrupted

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I've just decided to replace the floppy disc drive in a much-used Fat Frog at a Suffolk theatre. Every show has different lighting needs and backing up show files to a flash drive is still important to us. Yes, I know it's April 2018 but we're still obliged to use floppy discs for backup! No more...

I trawled through a very useful thread on this subject before taking the plunge. ('Fog floppy emulator' is the topic if you'd like to check it out). Everything has worked with the USB replacement: it's a slick solution and upgrade for a reliable Zero 88 product. Here's how we did it:

1/ Buy a FDD Emulator, in this case a '3.5" 1.44Mb floppy drive MFM to USB flash disc emulator + CD Black' on E-bay from 'factoryselling100'. It took just over a week to arrive, came from the Far East and cost just 15.26

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