Trashed Bikes, Bins Property etc
John
of today, burning Bikes and Wheelie bin's, trashing Gas meters, Shop fronts and
damaging other property is any indication of where our Country is headed, Pity
help tomorrow, I'm glad I wont be here to see those clowns destroy their own
planet. John
Zac
<for...@eftel.com.au> typed:
It's disgusting. I don't understand the need to do such damage to have
fun. I know I certainly didn't need to do that to have fun when I left
school :)
--
Zac Charlesworth
Greg
You more than likely couldn't wait to spend all your waking hours on
the puter ::-)
Greg
John
the way society does today, one strike and you are out as the paper reads this
morning, it is time they stop listening to do-gooders and got that Boot Camp
operating and just throw them in there for 3 mth's , they may learn something
then, and the Parents should be held totally responsible. John.
"Zac" <NOS...@zcs.net.au> wrote in message
news:g6tv1tg2ds3cvs562...@4ax.com...
: On the Sun, 26 Nov 2000 13:23:11 +0800, Citizen "John"
: <for...@eftel.com.au> typed:
:
: >Well if the scene at Dunsborough and Rottnest last night and others by our
youth
: >of today, burning Bikes and Wheelie bin's, trashing Gas meters, Shop fronts
and
: >damaging other property is any indication of where our Country is headed,
Pity
: >help tomorrow, I'm glad I wont be here to see those clowns destroy their own
: >planet.
:
: It's disgusting. I don't understand the need to do such damage to have
: fun. I know I certainly didn't need to do that to have fun when I left
: school :)
: Zac Charlesworth
Zac
<for...@eftel.com.au> typed:
>it is time they stop listening to do-gooders and got that Boot Camp
>operating and just throw them in there for 3 mth's
Depends on the offence, but criminal damage should certainly be
punished. And a stint in a boot camp wouldn't be a bad thing.
>they may learn something
>then, and the Parents should be held totally responsible. John.
That depends - I personally think that even if they are under 18
(16/17 or so) the law should treat them like adults. They should be
held accountable for their own actions, and treated as an 18 y/o. It's
unacceptable behaviour for any age group.
Singapore has the right idea - the birch would be a far more effective
deterrent than fining the parents.
--
Zac Charlesworth
Zac
<gregory1@.iinet.net.au> typed:
>You more than likely couldn't wait to spend all your waking hours on
>the puter ::-)
Heh. Well.....
--
Zac Charlesworth
John
maybe you are too young to remember Maccarno Sets and the likes, we were quite
happy with such small things than the need to damage peoples property or be
abusive to the Police or others, we showed respect which is one major thing
that the younger generation lack whowfully today. John.
"Greg" <gregory1@.iinet.net.au> wrote in message
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: On Sun, 26 Nov 2000 01:21:14 +0800, Zac <NOS...@zcs.net.au> wrote:
:
: >On the Sun, 26 Nov 2000 13:23:11 +0800, Citizen "John"
: ><for...@eftel.com.au> typed:
: >
: >>Well if the scene at Dunsborough and Rottnest last night and others by our
youth
: >>of today, burning Bikes and Wheelie bin's, trashing Gas meters, Shop fronts
and
: >>damaging other property is any indication of where our Country is headed,
Pity
: >>help tomorrow, I'm glad I wont be here to see those clowns destroy their
own
: >>planet.
: >
: >It's disgusting. I don't understand the need to do such damage to have
: >fun. I know I certainly didn't need to do that to have fun when I left
: >school :)
:
: the puter ::-)
:
: Greg
John
and get up to what ever, yet the Parents are help responcible by Law till that
person reaches 18, then they should be treated under the same Law as you or I.news:lm302topshp7fumqc...@4ax.com...
: On the Sun, 26 Nov 2000 15:13:02 +0800, Citizen "John"
: <for...@eftel.com.au> typed:
:
: >it is time they stop listening to do-gooders and got that Boot Camp
Paul Raj Khangure
> abusive to the Police or others, we showed respect which is one major thing
> that the younger generation lack whowfully today. John.
Respect has to be earned.
If the youth of today show no respect, it's because the youth of
yesteryear didn't earn their children's respect.
Paul Raj Khangure
--
I stayed up all last night playing poker with tarot cards.
I got a full house and four people died. - Stephen Wright
I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it.
LS
and we can see it for ourselves.
No wonder the country is running out of professionals- just look at rotto
and duns. I am a professional (after years of work of course), so it doesn't
bother me, just leaves more work for me!!
We have a lot of "debt" in our society.
"John" <for...@eftel.com.au> wrote in message
news:8vq6lt$5i7$1...@news.interpacket.net...
> Well if the scene at Dunsborough and Rottnest last night and others by our
youth
> of today, burning Bikes and Wheelie bin's, trashing Gas meters, Shop
fronts and
> damaging other property is any indication of where our Country is headed,
Pity
> help tomorrow, I'm glad I wont be here to see those clowns destroy their
own
> planet. John
>
>
Andrew Francis
for...@eftel.com.au (John) wrote in <8vq6lt$5i7$1...@news.interpacket.net>:
> I'm glad I wont be here to see those clowns destroy their own
>planet.
You mean by doing things like utilising fossil fuels? Of course, if
petrol was more expensive still, people might GAS OUT and use more
environmentally friendly forms of transportation.
--
Andrew Francis
loc...@iinet.net.au
Andrew Francis
>our youth of today,
We're not all like that, you know.
Something like 78% of all crime is committed by people 20 and over.
Doesn't mean teenagers should dismiss adults as an age group.
--
Andrew Francis
loc...@iinet.net.au
Nic
groups we have to listen to.
(=
Andrew Francis wrote in message <3a20e87c$0$21...@motown.iinet.net.au>...
>[I know, I hit send on the last post too early..]
>
>for...@eftel.com.au (John) wrote in <8vq6lt$5i7$1...@news.interpacket.net>:
Michael Salleo
Nic wrote:
> I believe this is all a direct result of those stupid boy bands and pop
> groups we have to listen to.
No...no...
I think it's a direct result of the "bad boy" pipe.
Fed up with there slow downloads the youth of today had to destroy something.
:P
LS
"Nic" <sp...@in-sanity.com> wrote in message
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> I believe this is all a direct result of those stupid boy bands and pop
> groups we have to listen to.
Mr Orsm
> we showed respect which is one major thing
> that the younger generation lack whowfully today. John.
here we go again.......
Mr Orsm.
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John
respect your elders, the youth of today will follow your good example. John
"Suzzanne Smith" <su...@iinet.net.au> wrote in message
news:MPG.148badaf1...@news.m.iinet.net.au...
: In article <8vqfae$gif$1...@she-bitch.digitaljunkie.net>,
: p...@digitaljunkie.net wrote...
: > In an Age long past, an Age yet to come, John wrote:
: >
: > > abusive to the Police or others, we showed respect which is one major
thing
: > > that the younger generation lack whowfully today. John.
: > Respect has to be earned.
: >
: > If the youth of today show no respect, it's because the youth of
: > yesteryear didn't earn their children's respect.
: Piffle. Unless you mean that by not disciplining their children, by not
: creating boundaries and *enforcing* them, they did not earn their kid's
: respect. There I'll agree with you. But if you are trying to blame
: society for the lack of respect, well I resent that, because society
: doesn't allow them to travel far from home, run wild, get drunk and
: destroy things; it's the *parents* that let them do that, no-one else.
:
: Since when was a "schoolies week" necessary anyway? What does it
: achieve?
:
: Sue Smith
Mr Orsm
>
> Since when was a "schoolies week" necessary anyway? What does it
> achieve?
>
ummmm... perhaps the chance for these kids to let off some steam after exams.
they've just spent 12 years in school and are about to enter 'the real world'....
let them have their fun while they still can. :-)
and NO i dont agree with them trashing the place to do this.
there will always be the bad element that takes things too far and that really cant
be helped.
Mr Orsm
> Nothing Sue, except damage to property and disrespect, yes Mr Orsm, remember to
> respect your elders, the youth of today will follow your good example. John
>
i think we have been over this before, john.
allow me to repeat it.....
"respect where respect is due."
ofcourse i should really back it up with....
"act like a dickhead and you will be treated accordingly."
Michael Salleo
> there will always be the bad element that takes things too far and that really cant
> be helped.
I think it can be helped, why fine the kids? why don't they _make_ them look at johny's
pictures... how many do you think will be repeat offenders?
*shudders*
LS
they'll wondering why the hell they didnt listen to Mrs Smith in Maths
class!!!
I know I did!
"Mr Orsm" <or...@iinet.net.au> wrote in message
news:3A2160EC...@iinet.net.au...
> Suzzanne Smith wrote:
>
> >
> > Since when was a "schoolies week" necessary anyway? What does it
> > achieve?
> >
>
> ummmm... perhaps the chance for these kids to let off some steam after
exams.
>
> they've just spent 12 years in school and are about to enter 'the real
world'....
>
> let them have their fun while they still can. :-)
>
> and NO i dont agree with them trashing the place to do this.
>
> there will always be the bad element that takes things too far and that
really cant
> be helped.
>
>
chris-...@sb.iinet.net.au
> We did not have such things as computers, Indoor Movie theatre's, TV, etc,
> maybe you are too young to remember Maccarno Sets and the likes, we were quite
> happy with such small things than the need to damage peoples property or be
> that the younger generation lack whowfully today. John.
damaging other peoples property is inexcuseable. the cretins who did that
should be punished accordingly. abuse like that is also a Bad Thing(tm).
what I do find interesting though is that you seem to be grouping all youths
into the category of "miscreants that have no respect for their elders". only
a small minority of the people out at rostnest would have been responsible for
the damage and abuse. including the other people who were behaving in (at least
comparatively) responsible capacity is wrong. it isn't being fair to them.
taking a look now at "have no respect for their elders". I've always been
taought, at all stages of life, to make my own descision, my own judgement of
character, etc... In other words, to be a free thinking idividual. To say that
I, or anyone else, should respect their elders just because they should be is
in direct contradiction to what I've been brought up as.
What does happen though is that someone is deemed resptected until it's shown
that the person isn't worthy of respect. I'm sure that you know people of your
own age that you wouldn't respect, so how can you say that we, as younger
people, should respect them too?
in any society there is going to be a minority of people who do cause a fuss
(like the abuse and damage shown here), but that minority is certainly not a
representation of the society as a whole. and they most certainly do not all
fall within the group of people of a certain age. you will find people doing
many times worse things of all ages. focusing on one small minority and
representing that minority as behavior etc indicitive of a larger group of
people is grossly unfair.
have a little faith in the youths of today. most of us are not loud mouth,
beligerent people who go around willfully damaging property. only a very small
minority are. who are you to tell me that because that person over there is
like that then so am i?
chris.
ps: I've still got my maccarno set :)
Paul Raj Khangure
> p...@digitaljunkie.net wrote...
>> Respect has to be earned.
>>
>> If the youth of today show no respect, it's because the youth of
>> yesteryear didn't earn their children's respect.
> Piffle. Unless you mean that by not disciplining their children, by not
> creating boundaries and *enforcing* them, they did not earn their kid's
> respect. There I'll agree with you. But if you are trying to blame
Yes, that's exactly what I meant.
Children should be raised knowing the boundaries, the rules, and the
punishment for breaking them. Punishment should be enforced never in
anger, but calmly as a means of discipline. As the child grows older,
the boundaries can and should expand, providing a transition to
adulthood.
> society for the lack of respect, well I resent that, because society
> doesn't allow them to travel far from home, run wild, get drunk and
> destroy things; it's the *parents* that let them do that, no-one else.
However, society does butt its nose in where it shouldn't. If a parent
wants to discipline a child, within certain boundaries, it is not
society's business to prevent that. All these bloody "you can't smack a
child, it's abuse" dogooders, who don't have children, or haven't raised
them responsibly anyway.
> Since when was a "schoolies week" necessary anyway? What does it
> achieve?
Relaxation and a huge party from having survived high school.
tts
> have a little faith in the youths of today. most of us are not loud mouth,
> beligerent people who go around willfully damaging property. only a very small
> minority are. who are you to tell me that because that person over there is
> like that then so am i?
>
> chris.
>
> ps: I've still got my maccarno set :)
Chris
What a sensible and well-reasoned response. I couldn't agree with you
more, and I hope my daughter (now 12) shares your outlook by the time
she gets to be a schoolie herself (looking good so far, Houston :) ).
It seems to me you are describing - and demonstrating - *self*-respect
as the paramount requirement, whatever one's age. I reckon the hoodlums
among the schoolies (and their hangers-on, whose only purpose is to make
trouble and strike fear in the locals) are actually showing a profound
lack of SELF-respect. I wouldn't like to guess the reasons for this,
let alone suggest a solution, but it's probably got something to do with
the skewed values in our society as a whole. Parents obsessed with
money, or forced by circumstance to spend too much time trying to earn
enough to keep body and soul together. Pressure to consume. Valuing
property more than people. Etc etc?
Anyway, thanks for the post. Categorising people by age is as bad as
doing it by race or religion.
Cheers
Tony - Body 50, brain about 17 :)
Daniel Grimwood
> John <for...@eftel.com.au> wrote:
>> maybe you are too young to remember Maccarno Sets and the likes,
Does nobody know how to spell Meccano?
Daniel. :)
chris-...@sb.iinet.net.au
> Chris
> What a sensible and well-reasoned response. I couldn't agree with you
> more, and I hope my daughter (now 12) shares your outlook by the time
> she gets to be a schoolie herself (looking good so far, Houston :) ).
good luck on that one :)
> It seems to me you are describing - and demonstrating - *self*-respect
> as the paramount requirement, whatever one's age. I reckon the hoodlums
> among the schoolies (and their hangers-on, whose only purpose is to make
> trouble and strike fear in the locals) are actually showing a profound
> lack of SELF-respect. I wouldn't like to guess the reasons for this,
I guess you could say it like that. if you don't respect yourself, then you
don't respect what others think of you, so you don't respect others. That's
probably a generalisation though. Who knows why they might have acted in that
fashion?
> let alone suggest a solution, but it's probably got something to do with
> the skewed values in our society as a whole. Parents obsessed with
> money, or forced by circumstance to spend too much time trying to earn
> enough to keep body and soul together. Pressure to consume. Valuing
> property more than people. Etc etc?
possibly. I won't pretend to know the answer.
> Anyway, thanks for the post. Categorising people by age is as bad as
> doing it by race or religion.
I agree 100%. judgement should be made on the person themselves.
> Cheers
> Tony - Body 50, brain about 17 :)
chris.
tts
Yeah! I meant to point that out in my reply to Chris :)
Tony TS
Denver Parker
>of today, burning Bikes and Wheelie bin's, trashing Gas meters, Shop fronts and
>damaging other property is any indication of where our Country is headed, Pity
>planet. John
did it fail to cross your mind to read the story a little better?...
if you hunt for the fatcs you'll find that most of the proplems and
trouble was caused in part by people over the age of 18, adults, not
school kids...
certainly there are some kids responsible but the main part of the
trouble was caused by the older element, when i was at school people
who went to rotto or dunsborough said themselves they saw most of the
trouble caused by people over thwe age of 18 going there to act up
deliberately...
you'll also note that out of the some 1200+ infringements handed out
to people of school finishing age was for street drinking, all the big
bad boy crime has been done by 'adults'
read the facts before you write off everyone first...
chris-...@sb.iinet.net.au
> Yeah! I meant to point that out in my reply to Chris :)
> Tony TS
doh! Meccano Meccano Meccano Meccano. I think I've got it now. let hope that
does the trick.
chris.
John
the Sunday paper hit the streets, and no I could not remember how to spell
macarno, nor does Mr Orsm believe that in our day of youth, we were taught to
repect all elders, regardles of whom they were and they were, we were educated
by our Parents to address our elders as Mr, Mrs, Miss or Sir, Mr Orsm has his
own view that respect must be earned, rubbish and, sorry, you are far from right
and if thats how you were educated, good luck. maybe you should aslk your
parents how were they bought up, and i guess I will get the vote of who is
right. John.
"Denver Parker" <den...@goobers.org> wrote in message
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: >Well if the scene at Dunsborough and Rottnest last night and others by our
Paul Osborne
> own view that respect must be earned, rubbish
If you want my respect, you earn it. You don't just get it. Its the same
with everybody and everything else, except you of course John. Your trying
to be this great teacher, teaching us young people how it works in the real
world when you have no idea how it is today, and from what my PARENTS tell
me it has always been. You earn someones respect.
I think you need a reality check.
Neil Gerace
Paul Raj Khangure <p...@digitaljunkie.net> wrote in message
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>
> Relaxation and a huge party from having survived high school.
I did Rotto when I graduated from Swanny SHS (closing this year) in 1985. I
had my mind poisoned (as you do) by some uni students who must've gone there
specially to ruin the morals of schoolies like us. They taught me a dirty
version of Tie Me Kangaroo Down Sport called Bestiality's Best.
cheers
Neil
Silver Gecko
> > Mr Orsm has his
> > own view that respect must be earned, rubbish
>
> If you want my respect, you earn it. You don't just get it.
Its the same
> with everybody and everything else
I tend to disagree with your philosophy on respect Paul.
Personally, I respect everyone equally, regardless of age. A
person can certainly lose some of my respect after week one,
however seldom entirely.
Is it fair to say that respect equates to regarding someone
with honor or esteem ? If so, why is that you don't honour
someone you don't know, or appreciate someone that is older
than you? It seems that either people were never brought up to
give respect ..or.. people were raised to respect other people
but were subjected to abuse because of this open-respect
relationship and it was detrimental to their ego, so natural
forcefields were put up to protect their 'self'. I understand
that circumstances vary wide and far, so try and understand my
generalisation.
> teaching us young people how it works in the real
> world when you have no idea how it is today, and from what
my PARENTS tell
> me it has always been. You earn someones respect.
Yes, you are correct, there is way too many people who treat
people like shite. A little more time thinking about other
people and less about themselves wouldn't go astray.
> I think you need a reality check
No, I think you should read a book by Dale Carnegie.
Respectfully,
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==========
Richard Van
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Denver Parker
>the Sunday paper hit the streets
so you based all your comments on a single report from a radio
station?.... i spose you won't admit that there was no bikes trashed
this time around, that was 5 years ago
> and no I could not remember how to spell
>macarno, nor does Mr Orsm believe that in our day of youth, we were taught to
>repect all elders, regardles of whom they were and they were, we were educated
>by our Parents to address our elders as Mr, Mrs, Miss or Sir, Mr Orsm has his
>own view that respect must be earned, rubbish and, sorry, you are far from right
>and if thats how you were educated, good luck. maybe you should aslk your
>parents how were they bought up, and i guess I will get the vote of who is
>right. John.
actually im firm in the belief i was bought up correctly, i don't
destroy shit, i earn a good wage, i look after myself, and i sure as
hell give respect where respect is due, you won't ever earn my
respect, because you like members of the gay comunity force your
opinions onto others, im not a gay hater, i don't mind them, i don't
beat them up for having a different choice of sexuality to what i
prefer...
i don't like having thier ideals pushed into my face as a few i have
met have tried to do, much in the same way your commanding respect
from us but not earning it, instead you harass us, and for that,
you'll never ever earn my respect...
denver
Jason Backshall
everyone else. I agree, the shitheads who trash the place are out there, and
they do exist. However for every one shithead, there are at least, and i
really do mean, AT LEAST, 5 good young people to make up for it.
Take me for example. I am known by many as a model student, I have just
finished year 11 with a low-A average. I pride myself on being the envy of
many people out there, as do a lot of my friends.
I think you need to take a long hard think about what you just said, and why
stereotyping isn't exactly the best thing in the world.
Jason Backshall
"John" <for...@eftel.com.au> wrote in message
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John
pushing anything on anyone, what I said in the very first thread, but remember,
you were still asleap, that was the radio report that bikes were burnt and
other things as well as property was trashed and again on tonights new it said
they were school leavers regardless of age, they are a mob of delinquents with
no brains and thats what they have learned in 12 years, you young ones have a
hell of a lot to learn yet, and in regards to respect, as I said earlier, you
respect others regardles of age and you respect others property, you do not
have to earn it, what are you a fucken brownie earning points, go back to
school and learn what respect is and also why you are there, look up *respect*
in the Oxford Dictionary, It says nothing about earning it, thats your petty
90's view,,, crap. johnnews:3a22794e...@news.omen.com.au...
: >My report was based on an early news broadcast aired on 1080 6ix long before
John
trouble, being far from acceptable in any way, and yes it ruins it for the
inocent ones as always like you say..john
"Jason Backshall" <lur...@iinet.net.au> wrote in message
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: For your information, it only happens to be a small minority spoiling it for
: >
:
:
Mr Orsm
>
> Take me for example. I am known by many as a model student, I have just
> finished year 11 with a low-A average. I pride myself on being the envy of
> many people out there, as do a lot of my friends.
no offence jason but you sound like a bit of a geek. :-)
Mr Orsm
>
> Listen turkey, one thing I am not gay, and I dont give a damm if you are, Im not
>
so who actually took _those_ photos then, john?
chris-...@sb.iinet.net.au
> Listen turkey, one thing I am not gay, and I dont give a damm if you are, Im not
> you were still asleap, that was the radio report that bikes were burnt and
> other things as well as property was trashed and again on tonights new it said
> they were school leavers regardless of age, they are a mob of delinquents with
> no brains and thats what they have learned in 12 years, you young ones have a
> hell of a lot to learn yet, and in regards to respect, as I said earlier, you
> respect others regardles of age and you respect others property, you do not
> have to earn it, what are you a fucken brownie earning points, go back to
> school and learn what respect is and also why you are there, look up *respect*
> in the Oxford Dictionary, It says nothing about earning it, thats your petty
> 90's view,,, crap. john
I don't think he actually meant that you were gay, but was trying to draw a
parable of some sorts. unsuccessfully I think :) What he meant was to not try
and force what you believe is right onto others, I think.
at any rate, you demonstrate here a very good example of what we're trying to
get accross here. you call him a turkey, and later on in the same sentence
(it's a long sentence too, I don't notice any full stops anywhere either) tell
him effectively to respect you as an elder.
How on earth can you expect a person to respect someone, anyone, who abuses
them, their age group, etc? If your mate accross the road called you a turkey
in the same abuseive manner that you have here, then would you repect him?
would you even like him? no way!
things change fordie. no longer is it acceptable to just respect your elders
because they are there. that came from a time where it was still generally
accepted (as I remember learning) to persecute and stereotype an minority, and
also the odd majority too.
we're a little beyond that now (or at least trying to get beyond that). we are
encouraged to think along the lines of judging the person for what they are.
not how old they are, not the colour of their skin, not the sharpness of their
accent or whatever. if we observe someone and find that they're not worthy of
respect then how can you expect them to be respected?
that doesn't mean that the person should be persecuted either. it just means
that the person won't be respected.
you've shown time and time again qualities that I for one don't admire, and
never any qualities that I would admire. yet you say I should respect you. I
don't. you've never displayed any behavior, to us, that is makes us think that
you're worthy of any respect.
chris.
Paul Raj Khangure
[Respect must be earned]
> I tend to disagree with your philosophy on respect Paul.
> Personally, I respect everyone equally, regardless of age. A
> person can certainly lose some of my respect after week one,
> however seldom entirely.
I'm not sure how that is different from the respect must be earned
philosophy.
I don't respect everyone equally, but nor do I disrespect everyone
equally.
If I don't know someone, or have only just met them, then respect (or
lack thereof) starts accruing immediately, based on a wide number of
factors. Eg the person who introduced us, the circumstances, the
conversation, etc.
As an example, lets take John Ford.
My only interaction with him has been through electronic means.
Initially I saw him posting all capslock spam messages to UseNet about a
gasout. Messages which were somewhat illogical, and silly.
There wasn't an instant "this guy is a complete loser, and not worthy of
any respect reaction" - more a "Another newbie" one. Quite normal
really.
So I (and several other people) replied to Fordie's articles, pointing
out the flaws, and pointing out UseNet etiquette, and how to go about
UseNet. At this stage Fordie got somewhat indignant and started going on
about not being new, and deserving more respect, etc.
It was at this stage that any respect I may have had for him vanished.
It didn't help that he spammed me via email also, nor that he seemed
unable to understand how UseNet worked, nor his unreasonable complaints
about iiNet when it was out of their control, the issue with Paulco and
claiming to the police that Paulco sent a virus, etc.
All of this has left Fordie very very low down on my respect meter.
> Is it fair to say that respect equates to regarding someone
> with honor or esteem ? If so, why is that you don't honour
That will work as a definition for the purposes of dicussion.
> someone you don't know, or appreciate someone that is older
> than you? It seems that either people were never brought up to
Because I don't know that person, and am unsure that they deserve honour
or esteem until I start to get to know them.
They may be worthy of respect, they may not. One doesn't know until one
starts interacting with them.
> give respect ..or.. people were raised to respect other people
I think there's a difference between respecting someone, and being
civil, and aware of other people's rights.
> but were subjected to abuse because of this open-respect
> relationship and it was detrimental to their ego, so natural
This is one of the key reasons why "respect your elders" is so wrong.
I don't care how old someone is, if they're a child molester, they won't
be getting much respect from me, and they should _not_ be getting
respect from children who they then abuse.
John
one respecting others, especiall thier elders was how I was bought up and aloth
your story is not 100% truth, I accept your comments as good, but as I am
senior person, no doubt to you and others , and as I do respect my elders
regardless to whom they are or have done, I will expect others to respect me and
the likes of Mr Orsm posting pictures of me that he denighed obtainiong from mt
commuter is irevient, but he was the one who posted them on her, whether it was
in fun or not, he grosely Disrepected me and my personal being, and if you ask
yor fathers and grandfathers, disrepecting a senior, promptly you were given a
clout, or your heads banged to gether ot your father told, so I dont care what
the 90's say in respect, anyone younger than I , shall respect me and face to
face, I'll ensure you do, you can count on it. johnnews:8vv3qk$kpc$3...@she-bitch.digitaljunkie.net...
John
doesn't mean I', gay and your were the person who disrespected me by posting
them on the web, dont think for one minute I or my wife thought your actions
were funny, she is pissed of with you and you are a young immatue person for
doing such a thing and showed me a huge lack of respect to me and my family,
Johnnews:3A22A5C1...@iinet.net.au...
: John wrote:
: >
: > Listen turkey, one thing I am not gay, and I dont give a damm if you are, Im
not
:
:
: so who actually took _those_ photos then, john?
John
i'll dish back a load of shit, I'm am noy Gay and that is a bloody insult to me
and YES a lacl of respect, John
<chris-...@sb.iinet.net.au> wrote in message
news:3a2308a8$0$18...@motown.iinet.net.au...
: John <for...@eftel.com.au> wrote:
: > Listen turkey, one thing I am not gay, and I dont give a damm if you are, Im
not
Paul Raj Khangure
> yor fathers and grandfathers, disrepecting a senior, promptly you were given a
> clout, or your heads banged to gether ot your father told, so I dont care what
> the 90's say in respect, anyone younger than I , shall respect me and face to
> face, I'll ensure you do, you can count on it. john
How can you ensure someone respects you face to face?
Sure, you can try and wallop them or whatever, but why on earth would
that make them want to respect you?
Mr Orsm
> the likes of Mr Orsm posting pictures of me that he denighed obtainiong from mt
> commuter is irevient, but he was the one who posted them on her, whether it was
> in fun or not, he grosely Disrepected me and my personal being, and if you ask
> yor fathers and grandfathers, disrepecting a senior, promptly you were given a
> clout, or your heads banged to gether ot your father told, so I dont care what
> the 90's say in respect, anyone younger than I , shall respect me and face to
> face, I'll ensure you do, you can count on it. john
if you recall correctly johnno, i did not post nude pics of you at all.
i recieved an anonymous email from someone unknown person that contained the urls'
to the pics of yourself, naked, in the spa and was merely asking if anyone else had
recieved the email that i did.
and now you are also accusing me of stealing them of your computer!? lol
i can safely say that i _do not_ have the knowledge of how to hack into someones
computer let alone their own personal web space and upload files to it.
you told me yourself that you send the pics to ladies that you meet on the net.
get out of the spa and your hand off your [small] dick, john!
Mr Orsm
> Wake up Nathan regardless opf who took those pics was in fact my wife, but
> doesn't mean I', gay and your were the person who disrespected me by posting
> them on the web, dont think for one minute I or my wife thought your actions
> were funny, she is pissed of with you and you are a young immatue person for
> doing such a thing and showed me a huge lack of respect to me and my family,
>
why dont you just come clean and admit that you put them on the web yourself?
what would your wife say if she knew that you have the pics there so you can send
them to other ladies that you meet on the web?
Mr orsm.
Denver Parker
wrote:
>Listen turkey, one thing I am not gay, and I dont give a damm if you are, Im not
>pushing anything on anyone, what I said in the very first thread, but remember,
Show me exactly where i called you gay, i made a comparision to the
way your telling us to respect you, as to how some gay people force
the sexuality ideals onto people who are indiferent...
>you were still asleap, that was the radio report that bikes were burnt and
>other things as well as property was trashed and again on tonights new it said
>they were school leavers regardless of age, they are a mob of delinquents with
>no brains and thats what they have learned in 12 years, you young ones have a
>hell of a lot to learn yet, and in regards to respect
'a mob of delinquents' thats a rather broad generalisation of the
young of today, considering there was under 100 people who actually
caused any serious damager, the rest dropped the odd bottle and
littered, hardly hard core crime, in fact of the majority of
fines/notices handed out, 99% where for street drinking, again, hardly
hard core crime generalised with delinquent behaviour...
> as I said earlier, you
>respect others regardles of age and you respect others property, you do not
>have to earn it, what are you a fucken brownie earning points, go back to
>school and learn what respect is and also why you are there, look up *respect*
>in the Oxford Dictionary, It says nothing about earning it, thats your petty
>90's view,,, crap. john
what an utter load of bollocks, respect is earned in thsi day and age,
its not given to yu by age, its not given by status or who you are in
society, you grew up in the dark ages of repression against women,
gays, black, you name it, if it wasn't white and male, it got
repressed, and you commanded respect, times changed john, blacks got
respected women got to vote, gays arn't afraid to express who they are
anymore...
you however seem to live back in the days of respression, and for
shame on you for livin in such un couth ways towards society, and its
exactly because of this you'll never convince anyone to take you
seriously, get with the times old man...
and it is a 90's, its the politically correct view, its not based on
fear and hatred...
again respect given where respect earned, its very easy to work out...
least of all how you expect anyone to give you respect when you insult
them is beyond me...
Michael Malone
: Show me exactly where i called you gay, i made a comparision to the
: way your telling us to respect you, as to how some gay people force
: the sexuality ideals onto people who are indiferent...
: gays arn't afraid to express who they are anymore...
Unless of course, they are expressing that opinion to you.
: again respect given where respect earned, its very easy to work out...
I prefer a nice utopia, where respect is assumed, and disrespect
is earned.
MM
Denver Parker
>
>Unless of course, they are expressing that opinion to you.
>
as well clarify...
by expression i mean being 'out' not the comparision i drew between
john and a small section of the gay comunity who force the issue
against people for no reason, who cares about sexuality, each to there
own, i don't bang on to people how hetro i am..
>: again respect given where respect earned, its very easy to work out...
>
>I prefer a nice utopia, where respect is assumed, and disrespect
>is earned.
if people didn't command respect it might happen, but people like john
who expect respect but then slam someone and still expect to be
respected?...
its got a long way to go, maybe 2010 we might be closer..
Paul Osborne
I think john should stop talking about respect, and start learning self
respect.
"Mr Orsm" <or...@iinet.net.au> wrote in message
news:3A232B33...@iinet.net.au...
> John wrote:
>
> > the likes of Mr Orsm posting pictures of me that he denighed obtainiong
from mt
> > commuter is irevient, but he was the one who posted them on her, whether
it was
> > in fun or not, he grosely Disrepected me and my personal being, and if
you ask
> > yor fathers and grandfathers, disrepecting a senior, promptly you were
given a
> > clout, or your heads banged to gether ot your father told, so I dont
care what
> > the 90's say in respect, anyone younger than I , shall respect me and
face to
> > face, I'll ensure you do, you can count on it. john
>
> if you recall correctly johnno, i did not post nude pics of you at all.
>
> i recieved an anonymous email from someone unknown person that contained
the urls'
> to the pics of yourself, naked, in the spa and was merely asking if anyone
else had
> recieved the email that i did.
>
> and now you are also accusing me of stealing them of your computer!? lol
>
> i can safely say that i _do not_ have the knowledge of how to hack into
someones
> computer let alone their own personal web space and upload files to it.
>
> you told me yourself that you send the pics to ladies that you meet on the
net.
>
> get out of the spa and your hand off your [small] dick, john!
>
>
> Mr Orsm.
Daniel Grimwood
> I don't respect everyone equally, but nor do I disrespect everyone
> equally.
> If I don't know someone, or have only just met them, then respect (or
> lack thereof) starts accruing immediately, based on a wide number of
> factors. Eg the person who introduced us, the circumstances, the
> conversation, etc.
Agreed. There is a baseline respect which I have for everyone, which is
neither nil or a lot, just an average. Then when I meet a particular
person, that person's respect gets influenced by many factors, including
age, who introduced us, manner, appearance, you name it, and all with
different weightings. I'll trust the word of an anonymous 50 year old
over an anonymous 15 year old. I'll trust the word of an anonymous polite
young person over an impolite older person. To say that one factor has
total priority over another is absurd, they are all situation and
combination dependent.
This is a pretty entertaining thread... I welcome the change.
Daniel. :)
John
expect a better threat from a 2 cent tart anyway............
"Sue Smith" <n...@spammer.in.sight> wrote in message
news:MPG.148e238d1...@news.m.iinet.net.au...
: In article <3A232B33...@iinet.net.au>, or...@iinet.net.au wrote...
:
: > get out of the spa and your hand off your [small] dick, john!
:
: Maybe that's why he can't spell, or manage to use a spellchecker. :P
:
: Sue Smith
chris-...@sb.iinet.net.au
> I prefer a nice utopia, where respect is assumed, and disrespect
> is earned.
I love that. it basically sums up one of the points I was trying to make. love
it.
> MM
chris.
Andrew Francis
>It's not that small and at least I dont have to resort to Vibrators,
>wouldn't expect a better threat from a 2 cent tart anyway............
>
And we were talking about respect? :)
Be careful Sue, you can probably expect a nude pic in your email soon...
--
Andrew Francis
loc...@iinet.net.au
Andrew Francis
>look up *respect*
>in the Oxford Dictionary,
My Australian Pocket Oxford defines respect as "deferential esteem";
"esteem" is in turn defined in terms of "favourable opinion" and "fond
regard", which you don't quite seem to hold in here.
In addition, "respectable" is defined as "of fair social standing, honest
& decent, not disreputable; of some amount or size or merit or
importance." Let's break it down.
"of fair social standing"
you're not really popular in here, and you send nudie pics of
yourself to women you don't know well, which your generation
en masse would probably disapprove of.
"honest and decent"
you have made false accusations against a person in order to get
the police involved and make his life difficult.
"not disreputable"
see above
"of some amount or size or merit or importance"
this appears to be a sort of fallback for those who occupy high social
stations but would otherwise not qualify, for instance sleazy
politicians, well-paid professionals and other people that fall into
the typical "respectable" umbrella despite the fact that few people
like them. i don't see that you qualify under this.
As we've established that (at least almost) nobody in here respects you,
and you do not qualify as a "respectable" person, under the criteria that
*you* have set (the Oxford dictionary), I think it's about time that your
continued demands for "respect" cease.
--
Andrew Francis
loc...@iinet.net.au
Jason Backshall
"Mr Orsm" <or...@iinet.net.au> wrote in message
news:3A22A581...@iinet.net.au...
> Jason Backshall wrote:
>
> >
> > Take me for example. I am known by many as a model student, I have just
> > finished year 11 with a low-A average. I pride myself on being the envy
of
> > many people out there, as do a lot of my friends.
>
> no offence jason but you sound like a bit of a geek. :-)
>
>
Andrew Francis
<8vspi1$im3$1...@she-bitch.digitaljunkie.net>:
>If a parent
>wants to discipline a child, within certain boundaries, it is not
>society's business to prevent that. All these bloody "you can't smack a
>child, it's abuse" dogooders, who don't have children, or haven't raised
>them responsibly anyway.
>
[Disclaimer: I don't have any kids. I'm an 18 year old and the eldest of
five children, and I do feel I've contributed to their raising in at
least some way.]
I agree with you in principle; smacking can get a hard rap because it's
visibly violent, despite the fact that many other kinds of abuse exist,
and "psychological abuse" is probably at least as prevalent and can
actually be more upsetting and harmful to a child. Indeed, with some
young children it's the only way to get a message across.
However, you also stated that "Punishment should be enforced never in
anger, but calmly as a means of discipline." Here there is a problem in
that usually, when a child has being naughty, the parent *is* angry and
to expect them to miraculously calm down completely in order to
administrate a few smacks isn't really reasonable.
I could see it being hard enough for a reasonable, average person; add
the fact that many people have worse than average tempers and you have a
recipe for disaster. The thin line that separates reluctant punishment
for the sake of a child, and lashing out in anger, *will* be crossed.
Personally, I've seen it happen too many times to support smacking as a
regular form of punishment.
As for what I intend to do if and when I ever have kids... for practical
reasons, a smack may be occasionally necessary to reinforce certain
messages like "don't go near the fireplace" and "don't wander away from
daddy in the carpark." However, I don't trust myself enough to make it a
regular thing that I undertake without a lot of reluctance.
--
Andrew Francis
loc...@iinet.net.au
Paul Raj Khangure
> However, you also stated that "Punishment should be enforced never in
> anger, but calmly as a means of discipline." Here there is a problem in
> that usually, when a child has being naughty, the parent *is* angry and
> to expect them to miraculously calm down completely in order to
> administrate a few smacks isn't really reasonable.
Once the child is passed four or five years old, it's not unreasonable
to send them to their rooms, calm down, then administer a smack or two a
half hour later.
The child has had time to think on what they did, the wait for the
punishment will be just as bad (if not worse) than the punishment
itself, and the parents can administer it reluctantly, for the child's
good.
> As for what I intend to do if and when I ever have kids... for practical
> reasons, a smack may be occasionally necessary to reinforce certain
> messages like "don't go near the fireplace" and "don't wander away from
For "stay away from the hot thing" just hold their hand and move it
close enough to feel the heat unpleasantly, but not close enough to
burn.
Silver Gecko
> I prefer a nice utopia, where respect is assumed, and
disrespect
> is earned.
I agree with you Paul R.K. and Michael M.
It seems that we agree that majority don't assume respect,
however a select group do assume respect, of which I consider
myself to be in that group.
Admirable human attributes can reflect onto others. If we say
that 'respect is assumed and disrespect is eanred is a utopia'
then it seems to implicitly mean such a goal is unattainable.
I do not see the world changing very fast, however it is
possible to change individuals throughout my lifetime by
upholding some honourable qualities, one of which being
respect. I'm sure that you two do the same.
==========
Richard Van
Remove the illicit material to contact me
Matthew Salleo
Michael Malone wrote:
> <snip>
>
> I prefer a nice utopia, where respect is assumed, and disrespect
> is earned.
>
> MM
And that system would work in a utopia, dont really seeing it work in the
current climate though.
--
Matthew Salleo
Digitech Solutions
http://www.digitechsolutions.com.au
pdt
................ shit whats all the bitching about? If i was leaving
school now i would have organised a proper trashing of the place - you
know like a couple of claymore mines, some flamethrowers some semtex -
probably a coupla 90mm mortars would do a fine job too - people are too
bloody soft these daze - back when i was young and 'nam was on the go
school leavers really knew how to trash towns and villages!
aaaaaaaaaaah the smell of napalm in the morning ..........
cheers, pdt
--
< bang bang - shoot shoot - happiness is a warm, yes it is -
g-uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu-n >
Neil Gerace
pdt <pejbb...@iinet.net.au> wrote in message
news:3A28E153...@iinet.net.au...
> pdt sed:
> ................ shit whats all the bitching about? If i was leaving
> school now i would have organised a proper trashing of the place - you
> know like a couple of claymore mines, some flamethrowers some semtex -
> probably a coupla 90mm mortars would do a fine job too - people are too
> bloody soft these daze - back when i was young and 'nam was on the go
> school leavers really knew how to trash towns and villages!
> aaaaaaaaaaah the smell of napalm in the morning ..........
> cheers, pdt
Just call 131901.
"Air Force? Job for ya."
cheers
Neil
pursu...@gmail.com
> Well if the scene at Dunsborough and Rottnest last night and others by our youth
> of today, burning Bikes and Wheelie bin's, trashing Gas meters, Shop fronts and
> damaging other property is any indication of where our Country is headed, Pity
> help tomorrow, I'm glad I wont be here to see those clowns destroy their own
> planet. John