Northeast kingdom VT ice report/weekend ice forecast 11/21

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Evan Perkins

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Nov 21, 2023, 1:18:09 PM11/21/23
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      I had time to do a little scouting on my way back from deliveries today. I found kettle and I pond in Groton state forest to be a strong inch and a quarter of new black ice where I could test it. It appears that the whole lake is frozen over although it is possible there are areas in the middle that are thinner than that. Having caught last night and not the night before.
       Keyser pond in Peacham was in similar condition, completely frozen over with 1 1/4 inch of fresh black ice. 
      I was able to skate a small pond that is the headwaters of Marshfield Brook located about a quarter mile north of cattle pond along 232 . This had older textured, black ice that was 2+ inches thick, although it was only one and three-quarter towards the edges where I got on because there was a slight snow cover on the edge. It’s a very small pond probably not worth traveling for but if you’re close and don’t mind skating on thin ice, it’s a pretty good venue for it as it is very shallow. 
      There is a good possibility that these ponds that I mentioned above could be good Skating by Sunday morning, possibly Saturday although I suspect they would still be thin because they are expected to receive 4+ inches of snow tonight which will depress the ice and we will need to wait for that to fully freeze through to the original black ice before we’re able to skate it. No guarantees that the surface condition will be good but there is at least some likelihood of some decent Skating by Sunday morning. 
      It would be great to hear reports of any other bodies of water that people have seen skim over as this will let people who are interested in scouting know where to look on the weekend. Any bodies of water that are less then an inch thick of ice as of today are unlikely to survive the warm and windy weather were expected to have over the next couple days, but anything over an inch has a good chance of surviving.
        Other bodies of water that I looked at were Molly‘s Falls reservoir, which had some partial skim, Joes pond, which was the same. And Martin’s pond in Peacham, which appeared to be mostly skimmed over, but there are still a few open spots. There’s a good chance any bodies of water that have any open spots will completely or partially re-open due to wind. 
       I also heard a report that long pond in Benton, New Hampshire was skimmed over, although there’s a chance that it’s thin enough it may not hold. This is a secondhand report, so no guarantees. The reporter said that there was some one and a half inch thick, snow ice near the shore, but new large crystal ice out in the middle, most likely from last night so I am guessing 3/4 of an inch. 
      It would be great to hear some reports from the Hardwick, Vermont and Woodbury Vermont areas, lots of little ponds up there. Also, green river reservoir If anybody is close to that, it’s very unlikely that something of that size skimmed over, but it could be a holiday miracle!
        Here’s to some good holiday weekend Skating! Evan

Evan Perkins

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Nov 21, 2023, 1:19:06 PM11/21/23
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Keyser pond with a small Labrador for scale

Evan Perkins

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Nov 21, 2023, 1:19:54 PM11/21/23
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The small pond north of kettle pond that I mentioned in my post that I was able to skate today at 2+ inches

Evan Perkins

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Nov 24, 2023, 6:38:18 PM11/24/23
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I took a look at kettle pond and Keyser pond this afternoon. They are both about maybe one and a half inches thick, however there are drain holes on the ice surface and those drain holes were only about 3/4 of an inch thick . It is supposed to get pretty cold tonight, and it is not impossible that these ponds could be skated tomorrow by the well prepared who are willing to go through, I think they will be better on Sunday, but still not overly thick probably no more than 2 1/2 inches, unless we get lucky with some extra cold temperatures tonight. The little pond I mentioned in my post that was north of cattle pond had a very nice orange peel surface and that could be skated tomorrow. Most likely it will be over 3 inches by tomorrow by my guess.  the surface conditions on cattle pond and Keyser pond work great, super high-quality orange peel by my estimation the kind that is grippy but quiet . That’s the update on these ponds!

Evan Perkins

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Nov 24, 2023, 9:44:53 PM11/24/23
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Kettle pond today

Evan Perkins

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Nov 25, 2023, 8:53:09 AM11/25/23
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We are skating Keyser pond in Peacham right now, a consistent 2 1/4 to 2 1/2 inches of ice over the whole pan. The sides for melted out shorelines which are easy to see, I am assuming similar conditions for cattle pond in Groton. I would say these ponds are a go for folks to skate today. Really nice mild Orange peel ice very solid feeling and grippy. The temperatures hit the low end of the projected rains last night so we had close to an inch of ice thickening since the afternoon when I checked yesterday . 

Evan Perkins

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Nov 25, 2023, 8:54:07 AM11/25/23
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Sorry for all the typos, dictating while skating

Chris Boone

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Nov 25, 2023, 10:01:55 AM11/25/23
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Thanks for the updates Evan!

Keiser Pond directions, access, etc: https://catamounthardware.com/atlas/vermont/keiser-pond/

On Nov 25, 2023, at 8:54 AM, Evan Perkins <evanwpe...@gmail.com> wrote:



Sorry for all the typos, dictating while skating
On Sat, Nov 25, 2023 at 8:47 AM Evan Perkins <evanwpe...@gmail.com> wrote:
We are skating Keyser pond in Peacham right now, a consistent 2 1/4 to 2 1/2 inches of ice over the whole pan. The sides for melted out shorelines which are easy to see, I am assuming similar conditions for cattle pond in Groton. I would say these ponds are a go for folks to skate today. Really nice mild Orange peel ice very solid feeling and grippy. The temperatures hit the low end of the projected rains last night so we had close to an inch of ice thickening since the afternoon when I checked yesterday . 
On Fri, Nov 24, 2023 at 9:44 PM Evan Perkins <evanwpe...@gmail.com> wrote:
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Kettle pond today

On Fri, Nov 24, 2023 at 6:37 PM Evan Perkins <evanwpe...@gmail.com> wrote:
I took a look at kettle pond and Keyser pond this afternoon. They are both about maybe one and a half inches thick, however there are drain holes on the ice surface and those drain holes were only about 3/4 of an inch thick . It is supposed to get pretty cold tonight, and it is not impossible that these ponds could be skated tomorrow by the well prepared who are willing to go through, I think they will be better on Sunday, but still not overly thick probably no more than 2 1/2 inches, unless we get lucky with some extra cold temperatures tonight. The little pond I mentioned in my post that was north of cattle pond had a very nice orange peel surface and that could be skated tomorrow. Most likely it will be over 3 inches by tomorrow by my guess.  the surface conditions on cattle pond and Keyser pond work great, super high-quality orange peel by my estimation the kind that is grippy but quiet . That’s the update on these ponds!
On Tue, Nov 21, 2023 at 1:19 PM Evan Perkins <evanwpe...@gmail.com> wrote:
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The small pond north of kettle pond that I mentioned in my post that I was able to skate today at 2+ inches
On Tue, Nov 21, 2023 at 1:18 PM Evan Perkins <evanwpe...@gmail.com> wrote:
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Keyser pond with a small Labrador for scale

On Tue, Nov 21, 2023 at 1:17 PM Evan Perkins <evanwpe...@gmail.com> wrote:

      I had time to do a little scouting on my way back from deliveries today. I found kettle and I pond in Groton state forest to be a strong inch and a quarter of new black ice where I could test it. It appears that the whole lake is frozen over although it is possible there are areas in the middle that are thinner than that. Having caught last night and not the night before.
       Keyser pond in Peacham was in similar condition, completely frozen over with 1 1/4 inch of fresh black ice. 
      I was able to skate a small pond that is the headwaters of Marshfield Brook located about a quarter mile north of cattle pond along 232 . This had older textured, black ice that was 2+ inches thick, although it was only one and three-quarter towards the edges where I got on because there was a slight snow cover on the edge. It’s a very small pond probably not worth traveling for but if you’re close and don’t mind skating on thin ice, it’s a pretty good venue for it as it is very shallow. 
      There is a good possibility that these ponds that I mentioned above could be good Skating by Sunday morning, possibly Saturday although I suspect they would still be thin because they are expected to receive 4+ inches of snow tonight which will depress the ice and we will need to wait for that to fully freeze through to the original black ice before we’re able to skate it. No guarantees that the surface condition will be good but there is at least some likelihood of some decent Skating by Sunday morning. 
      It would be great to hear reports of any other bodies of water that people have seen skim over as this will let people who are interested in scouting know where to look on the weekend. Any bodies of water that are less then an inch thick of ice as of today are unlikely to survive the warm and windy weather were expected to have over the next couple days, but anything over an inch has a good chance of surviving.
        Other bodies of water that I looked at were Molly‘s Falls reservoir, which had some partial skim, Joes pond, which was the same. And Martin’s pond in Peacham, which appeared to be mostly skimmed over, but there are still a few open spots. There’s a good chance any bodies of water that have any open spots will completely or partially re-open due to wind. 
       I also heard a report that long pond in Benton, New Hampshire was skimmed over, although there’s a chance that it’s thin enough it may not hold. This is a secondhand report, so no guarantees. The reporter said that there was some one and a half inch thick, snow ice near the shore, but new large crystal ice out in the middle, most likely from last night so I am guessing 3/4 of an inch. 
      It would be great to hear some reports from the Hardwick, Vermont and Woodbury Vermont areas, lots of little ponds up there. Also, green river reservoir If anybody is close to that, it’s very unlikely that something of that size skimmed over, but it could be a holiday miracle!
        Here’s to some good holiday weekend Skating! Evan

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Dr Jo

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Nov 25, 2023, 10:13:59 AM11/25/23
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Highlighting a useful note from your Atlas, Chris:

<<According to Vermont Fish and Wildlife access area regulations, ice skating is not a permitted activity and thus parking at fishing access areas is not allowed. That said, this is usually only a concern if the parking fills up and ice fisherman cannot park (since they have priority).>>


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Chris Boone

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Nov 25, 2023, 10:38:27 AM11/25/23
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I carry a fishing license (because I have one anyway), but I believe the rules specify that you have to be actually fishing. It doesn’t matter in practice the vast majority of the time. 


On Nov 25, 2023, at 10:23 AM, William Smith <wesm...@yahoo.com> wrote:

I wonder if you bought a vt fishing license you could park and skate to "scout" the lake for the best fishing spot....

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