Installation of eclipse on student laptops

[Prakashan Korambath]

Hi,

During the testing stage today it was mentioned that students will
require eclipse on their laptop. I did try "yum install eclipse" on
Fedora core 13, and ran apt-get command on Ubuntu 10.04 and they were
ok. Is that the recommended procedure? We did sent out a reminder to
all students to bring a laptop with ssh client to access their lab
accounts on remote machines. If somebody has problem installing
eclipse on their laptop, can they run eclipse on remote machine? I
would think GUI will pop up ok with ssh -X, but I don't know how fast
or how slow it would be over the wireless connection.

Also, I noticed today that jabber chat connection did not work when I
was on a laptop with wireless connection. For some reason it needed
wired connection. Can somebody else confirm it? Thanks.


Prakashan

[Galen]

Prakashan,

For the eclipse part, make sure that you got the eclipse helios
release with that install.
On my FC12 system, the latest and greatest rpm is still eclipse-
galileo.
Eclipse Helios is at the www.eclipse.org site as of about a week ago
(it transitioned from developer to the current stable).

-Galen

[Prakashan Korambath]

Hi Galen,

Glad that you told me about it. yum install by default installed
galileo. May be I can do yum remove and install from the web site.
Same case with Ubuntu too. It installed from galielo yesterday on
10.04. What would be your advise for students who already have
galielo eclipse on their laptop?

Prakashan

On Jul 1, 6:25 am, Galen <gwarn...@illinois.edu> wrote:
> Prakashan,
>
> For the eclipse part, make sure that you got the eclipse helios
> release with that install.
> On my FC12 system, the latest and greatest rpm is still eclipse-
> galileo.

> Eclipse Helios is at thewww.eclipse.orgsite as of about a week ago

[ardavan]

Hi,
I am one of the TA's from RENCI. Did I miss some testing session?

-Ardavan

On Jul 1, 10:58 am, Prakashan Korambath <koramb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Galen,
>
> Glad that you told me about it.  yum install by default installed
> galileo.  May be I can do yum remove and install from the web site.
> Same case with Ubuntu too.  It installed from galielo yesterday on
> 10.04.  What would be your advise for students who already have
> galielo eclipse on their laptop?
>
> Prakashan
>
> On Jul 1, 6:25 am, Galen <gwarn...@illinois.edu> wrote:
>
> > Prakashan,
>
> > For the eclipse part, make sure that you got the eclipse helios
> > release with that install.
> > On my FC12 system, the latest and greatest rpm is still eclipse-
> > galileo.

> > Eclipse Helios is at thewww.eclipse.orgsiteas of about a week ago

[Prakashan Korambath]

Hi Ardavan,

I am just starting it.  I became aware of the Eclipse only yesterday.  I will post what I found out back here as soon as I can.   It would have been nice if one of the sites can install Eclipse.  Otherwise, we will have to help 30 students here at UCLA.  I don't know how many you have at RENCI.   We have few more days to work on that.  :-)

Prakashan

[Tom Scavo]

Hi Ardavan,

On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 10:01 AM, ardavan <rustp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I am one of the TA's from RENCI.  Did I miss some testing session?

No, you didn't miss anything. We are asking TAs and others to install
Eclipse on their laptops in advance of the workshop. Instructions for
installing Eclipse (and other software) are on the Software
Requirements page:

http://groups.google.com/group/vscse-petascale-programming-2010/web/software-requirements

Hope this helps,
--
Tom Scavo
http://twitter.com/trscavo

[ardavan]

Thanks Prakashan and Tom.

On Jul 1, 12:30 pm, Tom Scavo <trsc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Ardavan,
>

> On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 10:01 AM, ardavan <rustpanj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I am one of the TA's from RENCI.  Did I miss some testing session?
>
> No, you didn't miss anything. We are asking TAs and others to install
> Eclipse on their laptops in advance of the workshop. Instructions for
> installing Eclipse (and other software) are on the Software
> Requirements page:
>

> http://groups.google.com/group/vscse-petascale-programming-2010/web/s...

[Tom Scavo]

Hi Prakashan,

On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 11:27 AM, Prakashan Korambath
<kora...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> It would have been
> nice if one of the sites can install Eclipse.

Are you referring to the possibility of running Eclipse on the server?
Scott is checking on that possibility as he mentioned on this
morning's call.

> Otherwise, we will have to
> help 30 students here at UCLA.

Well, it's not quite that bad. I will be sending e-mail to the
students today and asking them to start installing the required
software in advance of next week's course. I suspect most of them will
be able to do it on their own. It's not that hard, especially on
Windows and Macs, which is what most students will have, I'll bet.

[Prakashan Korambath]

Hi Tom,

I just went to http://www.eclipse.org/ site and downloaded the tar
file for java and c/c++ tar.gz file and untarred it in my home
directory on FC 13 machine and ran the eclipse from there (not the one
from yum) I am leaving the eclipse from yum as at is. I may not need
to remove it as I can give the full path of the new one from helios
distribution.


tar zxvf eclipse-java-helios-linux-gtk-x86_64.tar.gz

tar zxvf eclipse-cpp-helios-linux-gtk-x86_64.tar.gz

cd to eclipse directory and run ./eclipse.

We should be ok with eclipse.

Prakashan

On Jul 1, 9:30 am, Tom Scavo <trsc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Ardavan,
>

> On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 10:01 AM, ardavan <rustpanj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I am one of the TA's from RENCI.  Did I miss some testing session?
>
> No, you didn't miss anything. We are asking TAs and others to install
> Eclipse on their laptops in advance of the workshop. Instructions for
> installing Eclipse (and other software) are on the Software
> Requirements page:
>

> http://groups.google.com/group/vscse-petascale-programming-2010/web/s...

[Jeremy]

Hi All,

I just got helios installed on Ubuntu 10.04 by downloading the file
specified in the uploaded pdf. I had galileo previously installed in
my home directory, so I thought I would put helios in /opt as I have
been doing for other programs---big mistake. For some reason,
installing with sudo messes something up, which I see others using
Ubuntu have mentioned on the eclipse forums. Consequently, I put
helios also in my home directory (own folder, of course) and see no
issues so far.

Just an FYI...

Jeremy

On Jul 1, 10:58 am, Prakashan Korambath <koramb...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Galen,
>
> Glad that you told me about it.  yum install by default installed
> galileo.  May be I can do yum remove and install from the web site.
> Same case with Ubuntu too.  It installed from galielo yesterday on
> 10.04.  What would be your advise for students who already have
> galielo eclipse on their laptop?
>
> Prakashan
>
> On Jul 1, 6:25 am, Galen <gwarn...@illinois.edu> wrote:
>
> > Prakashan,
>
> > For the eclipse part, make sure that you got the eclipse helios
> > release with that install.
> > On my FC12 system, the latest and greatest rpm is still eclipse-
> > galileo.

> > Eclipse Helios is at thewww.eclipse.orgsiteas of about a week ago

[Prakashan Korambath]

Hi Galen,

Do you expect to have fortran compiler (gfortran) on user desktops?  Thanks.

Prakashan

[Jay Alameda]

we do not expect any compilers or development tools to be on the
user's desktops - we will be showing you how to manage development on
the remote HPC platform through Eclipse -

[Galen Arnold]

For people with a galileo install, I'd suggest downloading the helios release from
eclipse.org and installing it somewhere under $HOME as a separate installation.
Then you'd invoke it as $HOME/eclipse/eclipse or similar.

[Tom Roche]

Jay Alameda Mon, 5 Jul 2010 12:41:39 -0700 (PDT)

> we do not expect any compilers or development tools to be on the
> user's desktops - we will be showing you how to manage development
> on the remote HPC platform through Eclipse -

Will we also be using TAU, VisIt, ParaView remotely? I note

http://groups.google.com/group/vscse-petascale-programming-2010/web/software-requirements
> The Thursday session WILL require you to load TAU on your system
...
> The Friday session WILL require that you have Visit 2.0.1 installed
> on your system.
...
> The Friday session WILL require that you also have Paraview 3.8.0
> installed on your system.

and (based on a brief perusal, which Could Be Wrong) the TAU install
seems to want to know where compilers and libraries are, and presumably
it wants them local. Am I missing something?

TIA, Tom Roche <Tom_...@pobox.com>

[Jay Alameda]

I'm not sure, Tom. Perhaps the developers of those modules can comment -
Jay

[Prakashan Korambath]

I did compile Tau on my laptop with FC-13 using the compiler and MPICH2 library installed on the laptop.  I would be very happy if we are using the remote machine for everything as we don't have to help 30 participants compile Tau at the same time.  

Prakashan

[Tom Roche]

http://groups.google.com/group/vscse-petascale-programming-2010/web/software-requirements

>>>> The Thursday session WILL require you to load TAU on your system
...
>>>> The Friday session WILL require that you have Visit 2.0.1
>>>> installed on your system.

>>>> The Friday session WILL require that you also have Paraview 3.8.0
>>>> installed on your system.

Tom Roche Monday, July 05, 2010 8:10 PM

>>> (based on a brief perusal, which Could Be Wrong) the TAU install
>>> seems to want to know where compilers and libraries are, and
>>> presumably it wants them local. Am I missing something?

Jay Alameda Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 6:11 PM,

>> Perhaps the developers of those modules can comment

Please do.

Prakashan Korambath Mon, 5 Jul 2010 19:14:19 -0700

> I would be very happy if we are using the remote machine for
> everything as we don't have to help 30 participants compile Tau at
> the same time.

As a participant, I would appreciate not having to compile TAU, VisIt,
and ParaView :-)

FWIW, Tom Roche <Tom_...@pobox.com>

[Sean Ahern]

VisIt and ParaView are both pre-compiled binary installations. Don't know about TAU.

-Sean

--
Sean Ahern
Oak Ridge National Laboratory
AIM: ornlsean
865-408-8463

[Philip Blood]

If you go to the TAU link you can download TAU as a precompiled,
self-installing binary for Windows and Mac. You actually only need
the GUI analysis tools of TAU locally, primarily paraprof. Paraprof
only requires that you have Java 1.5+ installed. If your laptop only
runs linux, you may need to so some installation to get paraprof
running, but you do *not* need to configure and compile all of TAU.
If someone is in this situation, (only running Linux on their local
machine/laptop) and does not find it straightforward to install
paraprof, please let me know.

It will be much easier to do analysis locally than to try to run the
GUIs over the network. Actual TAU performance profiling will be done
on the remote clusters, and will already be installed on at least one
of the machines accessible to each group. You will be encouraged to
bring TAU generated results back to your local machine to do the
analysis, and there will be instruction/demo provided on how to do
this. Please note that in order to do this you will need some sftp
client installed on your machine that you can use to copy files from
the remote cluster.

Phil

[kirsten]

I want to be able to use the gnu C compiler on my local machine, but
eclipse is trying to use XL which I assume came from the parallel
packages. How do I get eclipse to use gnu C for local builds? Can I
switch it, or do I need to reinstall and add CDT and skip some part of
the parallel package?

[Tom Roche]

Which system configuration file to choose for a local VisIt install?
Why I ask:

http://groups.google.com/group/vscse-petascale-programming-2010/web/software-requirements
>> The Friday session WILL require that you have [VisIt 2.0.1]
>> installed on your system.

Sean Ahern Tue, 06 Jul 2010 11:39:28 -0400

> VisIt and ParaView are both pre-compiled binary installations.

ParaView install seems straightforward (caveat--haven't actually used
it yet), but the VisIt install requires some configuration. I did

$ ls -al ~/bin/visit2_0_1.linux-x86_64
> -rw-r--r-- 1 me me 98805784 2010-07-06 15:27 visit2_0_1.linux-x86_64-ubuntu8.tar.gz
> -rwxr--r-- 1 me me 28908 2010-07-06 15:09 visit-install2_0_1
$ pushd ~/bin/visit2_0_1.linux-x86_64
~/bin/visit2_0_1.linux-x86_64$ ./visit-install2_0_1 2.0.1 linux-x86_64-ubuntu8 ${HOME}/bin/visit2_0_1.linux-x86_64 &
> [2] 24483
> Choose a system configuration file. A system configuration
> file contains profiles that make it easy to access VisIt on
> remote computers.

> 1) No system configuration
> 2) Configuration for ANAG/APDEC collaborators.
> 3) ANL network
> 4) LLNL open network
> 5) LLNL closed network
> 6) NERSC network
> 7) ORNL network
> 8) Princeton network
> 9) TACC network

Which to choose? FWIW I'm taking the class @ RENCI, where we're using
kraken and bigred.

Apologies if this is a FAQ, but I don't see anything about this in

https://wci.llnl.gov/codes/visit/executables.html
https://wci.llnl.gov/codes/visit/2.0.1/INSTALL_NOTES

TIA, Tom Roche <Tom_...@pobox.com>

[Dean Nobles]

Tim -

I spoke with our local VIS guys. They suggest that if you're going to be working from Kraken, you should choose the ORNL config file, but that in reality, doing so only sets up some defaults that you can choose for your self if you chose 'no config file'.

--dean

--
--dean

[Tom Roche]

Tom Roche Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 2:49 PM

>> ~/bin/visit2_0_1.linux-x86_64$ ./visit-install2_0_1 2.0.1 linux-x86_64-ubuntu8 ${HOME}/bin/visit2_0_1.linux-x86_64 &
>> > [2] 24483
>> > Choose a system configuration file. A system configuration
>> > file contains profiles that make it easy to access VisIt on
>> > remote computers.
>>
>> > 1) No system configuration
>> > 2) Configuration for ANAG/APDEC collaborators.
>> > 3) ANL network
>> > 4) LLNL open network
>> > 5) LLNL closed network
>> > 6) NERSC network
>> > 7) ORNL network
>> > 8) Princeton network
>> > 9) TACC network

>> Which to choose? FWIW I'm taking the class @ RENCI, where we're
>> using kraken and bigred.

Dean Nobles Tue, 6 Jul 2010 14:55:31 -0500

> I spoke with our local VIS guys. They suggest that if you're going
> to be working from Kraken, you should choose the ORNL config file,

Thanks! Which to use from bigred? (since kraken login is more painful)

> but that in reality, doing so only sets up some defaults that you
> can choose for your self if you chose 'no config file'.

Good to know, but I'd like to KISS if I can.

TIA, Tom Roche <Tom_...@pobox.com>

[Dean Nobles]

Then choosing the ORNL config should keep it simple.

--dean

--
--dean

[Sean Ahern]

We will not be doing remote visualization, so you don't need to set yourself up a system configuration file. Having no configuration file still allows you to run locally, exactly what we will be using for the class.

However, you will need the class data files. They are on the Google Groups page.

-Sean

__
Sean Ahern
Remote Data Analysis & Visualization Center
University of Tennessee, Knoxville
865-408-8463