Revit Structural Family

[Elenor Waas]

Iinstalled the student version of revit structural on my personal computer and haven't been able to load any families (ie: beams, columns, trusses, isolated foundation, or even simple symbol annotations such as beam span markers) or templates into a new project. The only family members I am able to load are slab foundations and basic walls (not even structural 8" conc.). Anytime I click to load a family into a project I receive a message that no structural framing families are loaded into the project. I then click "yes" I would like to load a family and I'm redirected to the program folder for my revit structural. Once I open up the overall folder for revit I began opening all of the sub categories and every folder is empty. I'm not sure if it has something to do with the fact that I loaded the trial version for 30 days on my computer at the beginning of the summer and then downloaded the full student version (which I know has some disconnet between the full professional version). During this process would I loose access to revit "out of box families?" Or is there another location where I can find "out of box families?" I'm not as familiar with revit strucutral as I am with revit architectural so I just assumed that I would have already pre-downloaded family components when I opened up and installed revit structural. If anyone has any advice about where I could find my components or if there is some plug-in or other option I need to enable my structural families I would appreciate it.

Revit comes with a very comprehensive library of Structural Column and Framing families; however, sometimes there will be a need to create a new family. We will look at how to set the correct structural parameters so our new families can be exported correctly to other software, such as Robot, and what the composition of a Revit Family is. Finally, we will look at some advanced Structural families.

I would like to create a family, which makes possible for me create an element which you can see in attached image coloured in blue in any desired place in reinforcement wall. Element consists of HEB 300 or HEB 500 cutten as "sasuage" with ending plate and a plate placed in concrete with bars (in Polish: "wąsy") providing anchorage. It's important for me showing HEB cutted exactly like I want - in "sausage" way, and I am not interested in HEB which isn't connected directly to place based in concrete graphically as Revit provide normally. I want to have a possibility of changing HEB angle and it's ending in that way that HEB should always be cutted face-to-face with plate placed in concrete. Plate placed in concrete will be nested face-to-face with concrete itself, and then I would like to put it 20-50mm under the top level of concrete, but that I will probably manage to do with the help of elevation/view (I can't find any other solution, but if you know it, please be my guest! ) In the picture you can also find a green part - it is next element, consisting of wide pipe, it's closure as plate and welded to it two angles. Those two angles will be next placed at the top of ending plate of HEB300/HEB500. Is it possible to put them directly in that place?

Attached is a beginning of a family. I used the generic - faced based template. As you can see from my image, I only have a plate and a void. I create the void off to the side and set it to cut the host. You can also just create the void first in the right place. If you don't do either of the above, the void may also cut your solid. As you can see from the image, the plate will not show correctly if you don't cut the host.

In my opinion that part is the easiest, and until now I have managed to create a face-based plate with all dimensions needed. My problem is rather to introduce HEB, anchoring bars and cutting one element to another (with burried in mind that angle can change). Could you please help me with that?

Unfortunately, I've done what you've said, but nothing happened. Namely, when I am picking cut, then sweep extrusion I cannot pick a reference plane. Could you please take a look to my Revit file attached to the post above?

Was this still in a family? Are you really modeling structural elements in a family? I would have assumed you were only modeling the connector and let the structural element be in the project. The method I presented is in the project and that is a better solution.

Yes, it is still in family. I would like to do it in that way, because that element is in use often. Generally that is an connector at the end of that will be plate and then, due to the angles, another structural element -> pipe, beam will be placed on it.

You are measuring distance between start and end of the centerline of the HEB, and for the construction purposes I would rather need exact 300mm for the smaller part of the HEB300, as shown in attachment.

I've noticed that HEB is placed in wrong way, it should be placed flanges to top and bottom (90 degrees from current position), therefore I've moved it, but the problem occurs to be a sweep work plane.

I don't have an idea how to connect a plane with sweep (and before I send that message I was looking for an answer in several places). When I am using reference plane it brings me back information about "too many constrains" and I have to removed them to continue. After I do that, unfortunately Void Extrusion doesn't rotate with HEB. How to solve that problem?

On the other hand, I would like to show that connection in one of several drawings and count both number of elements and it's length. Will that be possible, while we're using void extrusion to simply hide part of HEB?

Creating Families is a foundational knowledgebase one must know while using Revit in any project. This course will teach you the concepts you need in order to create any custom structural family as well as any family within Revit. Software required: Revit 2014 or higher.

Have you ever wondered how custom families are built? Were you ever uncertain about what types of families you could create or what discipline they pertained to? If so, Revit Creating Custom Structural Families is the course for you! In this course, you will learn the foundation for creating any Revit Family. First you will learn about the relationship behind family building. You will then learn the key objects necessary to create the structural families. Finally, you will apply these learning principles to create another custom structural family as well as add additional intelligence to this family. When you complete this course, you will be able to apply everything you have learned to create not just any custom structural family but more importantly, you will apply these assets to building any family. Software required: Revit 2014 or higher.

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Not certain at the moment, I suspect changing any family category that uses a specific placement technique, like framing does (line based too), would be at odds with some other category selections. We definitely can't change to Mass or from Mass to something else.

So, I really need to be able to do this. We do structural framing shops with post and beam aluminum profiles that do not have the 'behaviors' that most revit structural families come with- I need to be able to export a precise cut length without it attempting to 'join' the end of the beam with a column or adjacent framing member- the offets are really hard to control (based on the material assignment?).. maybe it's simple but i've wasted some serious time googling how to control the 'joininess' of revit structural framing members to get these to do what i want and the easier solution seems to be to use a generic model despite the bad categorization. problem is, all my fancy parametric work that i built into my structural framing member for hole drilling and clip connectors etc etc will have to be rebuilt from scratch because I cant change the category!.. arghghg revit.

Laura I believe you'll want to use the other Structural family template for your work. It's called Structural Framing - Complex and Trusses.rft.

It won't provide a two pick behavior like the Structural Framing -Beams and Braces.rft does but it will stop the joining you are dealing with.

If by Family Type you mean a new Revit Category, then no. Those are preset by Autodesk.

If you mean a new Revit family type, then yes. You need to open the Family Types dialog and click New in the Types frame.

This will produce an opening but will not automatically detail this in an elevation and section view with a symbolic opening symbol. I also find this type of opening a little difficult to control within the model once it is placed. An alternative to this method is to create wall openings using Doors and Windows. These tools are found on the Architect and Site Ribbon as shown below.

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